Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | Admin_Russell  | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 21:17 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, CrazyChris writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, PurpleDave writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, CrazyChris writes:
| | It is common knowledge that the hinges with hollow studs were introduced around
1987.
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Introduced =/= exclusive. Old molds can be run alongside new ones for various
amounts of time. Old parts can be in inventory for years as they bleed the stock
down, and until the stock hits a low threshold they might not order up a new
run of parts using the newer mold in that color. I shouldn't own one of
these in dark-bley...but I do:
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I know, but I refuse this kind of reasoning. Because it does not explain, why
set A is affected, but not set B. These parts were quite common and exist in
not too many colours. So, if old stock ever existed, please explain why it should
have been used only for certain sets, and not for all?
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You simply cannot explain everything that happens with Lego. Experienced collectors
know this. There is the barrel theory, that Lego just gets to the bottom of the
barrel every once in a while, and then a bunch of old variants show up in sets.
Or there is plenty of evidence that Lego purposefully placed certain variants
in certain sets for various reasons. There are different packaging plants, there
is Samsonite, there is the Brazilian market, etc. etc. Some of this could be
explained in detail if you happen to meet a former employee of Lego. But much
of it is just conjecture, pure and simple.
| | Back in those days, I got lots of sets, and the hollow studded hinge plates where
contained quite everywhere, while the older version never appeared in any set
after 1987.
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We're not disagreeing about the likelihood of a variant being found in a
given set. We're disagreeing about how the BrickLink inventories should function.
BrickLink inventories represent, as well as possible, what has actually been
found in reliable sources, not what should be found, or what is commonly found,
or what might eventually be found.
As such, the inventory system will never be complete with variants. That is not
the goal. The goal is to provide reliable data points so that users themselves
can piece together what could come in a set.
It doesn't bother me a bit that one train set has the later variant, and
another train set doesn't. All that means is that someone found it in one
set, and no one has found it (yet) in another. Users can put 2 + 2 together and
decide for themselves how reliable a given variant is, based on who submitted
it, what other sets it has been found in, and their own personal experience with
real sets.
| | But of course, this is not an hard proof, just some knowledge from an unimportant
collector...
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The BrickLink system was built by collectors - there is no such thing as an unimportant
collector.
| | Now I see why many people stopped contributing to BL catalog.
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It's an undeniable fact that people do stop contributing to the catalog.
Look at the logs and you will see many people from the early 2000's who haven't
done anything in years. As to WHY they stop, it's anyone's guess.
Fortunately, new people come along regularly to contribute, and we always get
a few who come back. So we're doing quite well actually when it comes to
contributors. We could always use more, but there is plenty of activity these
days, and we're grateful for it.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 20:41 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, CrazyChris writes:
| | But of course, this is not an hard proof
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Seeing all the photos which have recently surfaced of sealed train sets, I find
it difficult to understand why it would be difficult to locate some hard proof
for any change request for these sets. Some sets are practically impossible
to locate in brand new condition, or even used condition, but this does not appear
to be the case for 1980s train sets.
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| Author: | CrazyChris | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 20:33 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, PurpleDave writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, CrazyChris writes:
| | It is common knowledge that the hinges with hollow studs were introduced around
1987.
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Introduced =/= exclusive. Old molds can be run alongside new ones for various
amounts of time. Old parts can be in inventory for years as they bleed the stock
down, and until the stock hits a low threshold they might not order up a new
run of parts using the newer mold in that color. I shouldn't own one of
these in dark-bley...but I do:
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I know, but I refuse this kind of reasoning. Because it does not explain, why
set A is affected, but not set B. These parts were quite common and exist in
not too many colours. So, if old stock ever existed, please explain why it should
have been used only for certain sets, and not for all?
Back in those days, I got lots of sets, and the hollow studded hinge plates where
contained quite everywhere, while the older version never appeared in any set
after 1987.
But of course, this is not an hard proof, just some knowledge from an unimportant
collector...
Now I see why many people stopped contributing to BL catalog.
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| Author: | PurpleDave | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 20:13 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, CrazyChris writes:
| | It is common knowledge that the hinges with hollow studs were introduced around
1987.
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Introduced =/= exclusive. Old molds can be run alongside new ones for various
amounts of time. Old parts can be in inventory for years as they bleed the stock
down, and until the stock hits a low threshold they might not order up a new
run of parts using the newer mold in that color. I shouldn't own one of
these in dark-bley...but I do:
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| Author: | CrazyChris | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 19:59 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| But SezaR is right.
It is common knowledge that the hinges with hollow studs were introduced around
1987.
It is also common knowledge that the set 7735 was produced from 1until 1990.
(same as 7745, 7824 and some town/space sets that also were produced both before
and after the change).
So of course, the hinges with hollow studs must be alternate parts for all these
sets.
Some inventories already show this, it ist just logical to correct all affected
sets.
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| Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 19:28 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Part 4276 Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers (match ID 1)
* Add 2 Part 4275 Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers (match ID 2)
* Change 2 Part Black 4276a Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs {match ID 0 to 1}
* Change 2 Part Black 4275a Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs {match ID 0 to 2}
Comments from Submitter:
This set was released until the end of 1990. So, similarly to the set 7745, these hinges were replaced with their new variants.
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We are not going to approve requests to blanket the inventory system with every
possible variant. If you want to add a variant to an inventory, you need to a
have a reliable source.
Even if you had a track record of being right with every request, we would still
reject these requests based on principal. But you have been sorely wrong in your
conclusions several times recently, and these wrong submissions amount in the
end to a lot of wasted time and effort on the part of our administrative staff.
I'm sorry if this seems harsh, but one of our main jobs with the BrickLink
catalog is to preserve it. There have been times in the past that people have
gotten away with these kinds of requests, but in the end somebody has to go through
(sometimes years later) and weed out all the unsubstantiated additions to try
to get a clear picture of what the sets really contained.
Russell
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You are not too hard. Getting inventories correct is a very hard job. You might
look at Perron.
I did a lot of stuff for that catalog. I often would use two or more sets to
compare inventories.
Part of the problem with over jealous submissions is that Lego world substitute
parts they did not have on hand. They might have used a different part for just
a few sets or for hundreds. Lego creatived problems for those that try to have
a acruate list. It is literally impossible. You would be busy for ever going
back and forth. There can also be variants of the instructions.
John P
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 18:42 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Part 4276 Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers (match ID 1)
* Add 2 Part 4275 Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers (match ID 2)
* Change 2 Part Black 4276a Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs {match ID 0 to 1}
* Change 2 Part Black 4275a Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs {match ID 0 to 2}
Comments from Submitter:
This set was released until the end of 1990. So, similarly to the set 7745, these hinges were replaced with their new variants.
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We are not going to approve requests to blanket the inventory system with every
possible variant. If you want to add a variant to an inventory, you need to a
have a reliable source.
Even if you had a track record of being right with every request, we would still
reject these requests based on principal. But you have been sorely wrong in your
conclusions several times recently, and these wrong submissions amount in the
end to a lot of wasted time and effort on the part of our administrative staff.
I'm sorry if this seems harsh, but one of our main jobs with the BrickLink
catalog is to preserve it. There have been times in the past that people have
gotten away with these kinds of requests, but in the end somebody has to go through
(sometimes years later) and weed out all the unsubstantiated additions to try
to get a clear picture of what the sets really contained.
Russell
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 18:30 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 135 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Part 4276 Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers (match ID 1)
* Add 2 Part 4275 Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers (match ID 2)
* Change 2 Part Black 4276a Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs {match ID 0 to 1}
* Change 2 Part Black 4275a Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs {match ID 0 to 2}
Comments from Submitter:
This set was released until the end of 1990. So, similarly to the set 7745, these hinges were replaced with their new variants.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 18:18 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 118-1 | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, wannes_dn writes:
| | Is there a reason why this does not get approved?
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Yes, there are a few reasons why these requests have not been approved:
1. The inventory you've recently submitted for the part you want
to add includes exactly the same parts which you want to delete from the inventory.
Therefore, adding the complete assembly will not be any more correct than including
the individual parts (unless the parts came assembled in new sets).
2. I don't know if these parts came assembled in new sets or not
and you've not addressed the issue. If the parts came assembled, then it
would be correct to add the complete assemblies for both the red and blue connectors
with wires.
3. Approving these changes would eliminate the match to the different
type of connector which also came in this set. This is not desirable. The entirety
of the connectors and wires in this set, both regular and alternate parts, should
be changed at the same time if they need to be changed.
4. The wires in this set should be measured. As far as I'm concerned,
this is an undetermined entry which will one day be deleted from the catalog:
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| Author: | chetzler | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 17:29 | | Subject: | Re: Interface improvement | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TheBrickGuys writes:
| | | | I can forgive a lot of incompetence if you're at least working
in my interest.
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"My interest" is very subjective. The problem is that so many feel the same way
as you do so in that when a change or changes are made and it dose not benefit
what they consider 'their interest' then you get this...
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Fair point. I should have said "community interest". I don't fault BrickLink
for wanting to make money--that's why most all of us (sellers, at least)
are here too. But BL is creating an environment that is hostile to the hobby
seller, the new seller, and even most small-to-mid-range sellers. Ultimately
it seems like that would be counterproductive for them but they must think it
is beneficial to them in some way, but I can't see how.
On a slightly different note, I'm no economist, but I thought it was pretty-well
established that economies don't like instability and uncertainty. Continually
introducing unsolicited, ill-conceived, poorly-implemented features does not
create a stable environment that is conducive to growth nor does it instill confidence
in your users. The lack of confidence is only compounded by BrickLink's
continued silence on this latest debacle.
I understand wanting to take some time to craft a carefully-worded statement
(since it will be picked apart in the forum), but how hard is it to simply say,
"we've heard you, give us a little bit, and we'll have a statement for
you"?
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| Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 13:39 | | Subject: | Re: Interface improvement | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | I can forgive a lot of incompetence if you're at least working
in my interest.
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"My interest" is very subjective. The problem is that so many feel the same way
as you do so in that when a change or changes are made and it dose not benefit
what they consider 'their interest' then you get this...
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| Author: | leopard37 | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 13:24 | | Subject: | Re: Interface improvement | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, leopard37 writes:
| | In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, nectara writes:
| | In Suggestions, TheBrickGuys writes:
| | Don't forget the typical forum response to ANYTHING that admin tries to do....
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Wrong
Is more like this
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Sometimes it actually reads like this:
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I think more like this: or this:
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| Author: | leopard37 | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 13:23 | | Subject: | Re: Interface improvement | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, nectara writes:
| | In Suggestions, TheBrickGuys writes:
| | Don't forget the typical forum response to ANYTHING that admin tries to do....
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Wrong
Is more like this
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Sometimes it actually reads like this:
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I think more like this:
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| Author: | chetzler | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 13:18 | | Subject: | Re: Interface improvement | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TheBrickGuys writes:
| | Don't forget the typical forum response to ANYTHING that admin tries to do....
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They wouldn't get that response if they cared to develop even a basic understanding
of the BrickLink community (both buying and selling) and the AFOL community in
general. I can forgive a lot of incompetence if you're at least working
in my interest.
I'd be happy if they could even just pretend to care. But instead we get
silence (which allows rumors and bad info to spread) and when do get a response
they are often times snarky or condescending.
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| Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 13:14 | | Subject: | Re: Interface improvement | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, nectara writes:
| | In Suggestions, TheBrickGuys writes:
| | Don't forget the typical forum response to ANYTHING that admin tries to do....
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Wrong
Is more like this
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Sometimes it actually reads like this:
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| Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 12:56 | | Subject: | Re: Interface improvement | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In my opinion, icons that accurately represent functionality are a key part in
having a good interface. It has come to my attention that the icon of the Community
tab is outdated and needs improvement. Briklink has changed alot and the smiley
face simply does not suit a modern Bricklink where a forum is intended for poorly
informing the community of unwanted selfish business decisions only to ignore
the responses.
I've designed a better icon for this tab. Hope to see this implemented soon!
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I must admit that it is a good representation of how I currently feel.
I see some good things happening, but there is a lot that worries me.
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| Author: | nectara | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 12:17 | | Subject: | Re: Interface improvement | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TheBrickGuys writes:
| | Don't forget the typical forum response to ANYTHING that admin tries to do....
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Wrong
Is more like this
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| Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 12:13 | | Subject: | Re: Interface improvement | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | Don't forget the typical forum response to ANYTHING that admin tries to do.... |
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| Author: | nectara | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 10:47 | | Subject: | Re: Interface improvement | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In my opinion, icons that accurately represent functionality are a key part in
having a good interface. It has come to my attention that the icon of the Community
tab is outdated and needs improvement. Briklink has changed alot and the smiley
face simply does not suit a modern Bricklink where a forum is intended for poorly
informing the community of unwanted selfish business decisions only to ignore
the responses.
I've designed a better icon for this tab. Hope to see this implemented soon!
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+1
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| Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 10:37 | | Subject: | Re: Interface improvement | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In my opinion, icons that accurately represent functionality are a key part in
having a good interface. It has come to my attention that the icon of the Community
tab is outdated and needs improvement. Briklink has changed alot and the smiley
face simply does not suit a modern Bricklink where a forum is intended for poorly
informing the community of unwanted selfish business decisions only to ignore
the responses.
I've designed a better icon for this tab. Hope to see this implemented soon!
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A little while ago when Jaclyn's predecessor was here I got a lifetime ban
from the forum for something similar to this. Fortunately she got the 'move
on out order (P45 in the UK) and Jaclyn re-instated me with full apologies.
Good luck with it.
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| Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 10:30 | | Subject: | Re: Interface improvement | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In my opinion, icons that accurately represent functionality are a key part in
having a good interface. It has come to my attention that the icon of the Community
tab is outdated and needs improvement. Briklink has changed alot and the smiley
face simply does not suit a modern Bricklink where a forum is intended for poorly
informing the community of unwanted selfish business decisions only to ignore
the responses.
I've designed a better icon for this tab. Hope to see this implemented soon!
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That was funny, my laugh of the day. Keep it up!
John P
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| Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 10:25 | | Subject: | Interface improvement | | Viewed: | 174 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| In my opinion, icons that accurately represent functionality are a key part in
having a good interface. It has come to my attention that the icon of the Community
tab is outdated and needs improvement. Briklink has changed alot and the smiley
face simply does not suit a modern Bricklink where a forum is intended for poorly
informing the community of unwanted selfish business decisions only to ignore
the responses.
I've designed a better icon for this tab. Hope to see this implemented soon!
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 06:08 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7710-1 | | Viewed: | 14 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| We know that since 1983 (or earlier?), the sleeprs 767 were replaced by 4166
with cable grooves as the cable grooves were needed for the set 7866.
Ths set 7710 was released since 1980 until the end of 1984. Please see photos
of a sealed set (photos are provided by: lego.12vtrains)
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 32 Part 4166 Dark Gray Train, Track Sleeper Plate 2 x 8 with Cable Grooves (match ID 4)
* Change 32 Part Dark Gray 767 Train, Track Sleeper Plate 2 x 8 without Cable Grooves {match ID 0 to 4}
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 06:02 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7710-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 32 Part 4166 Dark Gray Train, Track Sleeper Plate 2 x 8 with Cable Grooves (match ID 4)
* Change 32 Part Dark Gray 767 Train, Track Sleeper Plate 2 x 8 without Cable Grooves {match ID 0 to 4}
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| Author: | wannes. | | Posted: | Feb 23, 2018 02:46 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 118-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, wannes_dn writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 2 Part x466 White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two Leads, unspecified length
* Delete 4 Part 996ac01 Red Electric, Connector, 1 Way male Rounded with Hollow Pin (Banana Plug) (match ID 4)
* Add 1 Part 996ac15red White Electric, Wire 4.5V with four Red 1-prong connectors Hollow Pin, 15 Studs Long
Comments from Submitter:
this is more correct than unspecified length
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Is there a reason why this does not get approved?
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