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 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
 Posted: Feb 27, 2020 15:27
 Subject: Re: Dimensions 10507
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In Catalog Requests, StormChaser writes:
  So stud-size dimensions have a legitimate purpose. If I'm building something,
I don't want to pull out a tape measure and start counting millimeters to
decide if a part I like (but don't own) will fit where I need it to fit.

That's true if the stud size dimensions are accurate; but when something
is really 1 x 1.4 but is labeled 1 x 1...not so much.
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
 Posted: Feb 27, 2020 14:52
 Subject: Re: Dimensions 10507
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In Catalog Requests, StormChaser writes:
  ... it makes little sense to have stud-size
dimensions for parts like this.

It makes no sense to have stud size dimensions for anything in the dimensions
field. Having some dimensions being mm and others being studs makes all of them
useless.

If there are stud size dimensions, relegate them to the description field until
such time as there is a database rethink. Populate the dimensions field...systematically...x,
y, z...in mm...and that ought to go some way towards sorting out the volume calculations
for shipping and whatnot, wouldn't it?

My two cents towards more fully developing roadmap #7.

Also, why are some things 1 x 2 and other things 2 x 1? That's confusing
as all get out.
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
 Posted: Feb 27, 2020 14:29
 Subject: Re: Dimensions 10507
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In Catalog Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog Requests, mfav writes:
  Why is 10507 listed as 1x1 in studs?

10507 is
x: 7.9mm
y: 11.2mm
z: 11.1mm

making it 1 x 1.4 in studs.

Is this just another one of those places of inconsistency madness?

I cannot locate 10507 in the catalog. Please post a link.

Sorry, dyslexia kicking in
15070
 
Part No: 15070  Name: Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Tooth Vertical
* 
15070 Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Tooth Vertical
Parts: Plate, Modified
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
 Posted: Feb 27, 2020 13:53
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Why is 10507 listed as 1x1 in studs?

10507 is
x: 7.9mm
y: 11.2mm
z: 11.1mm

making it 1 x 1.4 in studs.

Is this just another one of those places of inconsistency madness?
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
 Posted: Feb 26, 2020 12:17
 Subject: Re: Yo StormBluser, for the roadmap?
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  I've been thinking about part variants and I'm beginning to be of the
opinion that variants should only be considered for separate catalog entries
when absolutely necessary. There are no guidelines at the moment for part variant
splits, but we need them and we need to rethink part variants and how they're
handled in general.

There's a lot to consider.

1. should a piece be restricted to its original part number? If 3713 is superceded
by 6590, which is superceded by 42798, should those subsequent numbers become
official parts, or are you going to continue to collectively house all those
different flavors of the same part under a single number?

Note: http://v4ei.com/brickref/3713-variants.php

I don't know if those are all actually 3713, or by the time you get to the
fifth one if that's actually a 6590 or what, but...one one hand if you're
wanting to research and find the actual part (or as reasonably close to the actual
part) that came with a set, and you have the instructions, and the instructions
say 6590, then you want a 6590. On the other hand, if you're making a thing
with the grandkids, it really doesn't matter. There's a "continuum of
relevance" there that needs to be addressed.

2. http://v4ei.com/brickref/30104v69109.php

Those ought to go on the list to be split if they aren't already. 30104 and
69109 somewhere along the line are decidedly different parts. I don't know
if there's a 136mm 69109 or a 128mm 30104, but having one entry for items
with two different numbers and functional differences ought to be separated.

3. Whatever you decide to do with the variants, it's pretty clear to me that
they need to be investigated in greater detail to have sufficient understanding
of a part before being able to make an informed decision.

4. It would be nice if the points considered in making the decision were noted
on the parts' pages and all relevant parts are cross referenced with links.

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