Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | randyf  | | Posted: | May 6, 2019 22:59 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 103-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
Reza -
All right, you have convinced me. 
I will keep the blues and grays as the Regular Items since the set probably first
came with those even if we don't know for sure. Eventually, everything changed
to black, so those will be the alternates.
Cheers,
Randy
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It's all done. Take a look over it to make sure everything looks OK.
Thanks,
Randy
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 6, 2019 22:38 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 103-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
Reza -
All right, you have convinced me.
I will keep the blues and grays as the Regular Items since the set probably first
came with those even if we don't know for sure. Eventually, everything changed
to black, so those will be the alternates.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 6, 2019 14:22 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8851-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, elias3 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, paulvdb writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jack_xp writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Black {3705b Technic, Axle 4 Threaded to 3705 Technic, Axle 4} (Extra)
Comments from Submitter:
Are you suore that extra item is 3705b (threaded) and not a 3705 (normal)? In the instruction of the kit neve use the 3705b item
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Nope, not sure at all! 
This part was added as an extra in 2010. Unfortunately, the Inventory Change
Requests from back then were not saved indefinitely in the forums like they are
today, so we have no information as to why this change was asked for or approved.
I honestly can't see a reason for it being in there.
Our guidelines for Extras in an inventory state:
Removing or Changing Extra Items - Extra parts can vary depending on when
and where a set was manufactured, meaning that some new sets may include them
and others may not. The quantity of these extra parts can also vary. Extra parts
are typically not removed or reduced in quantity unless it can be determined
that they were originally added or increased in error.
So, to make a decision concerning whether to remove this as an extra part, I
have to somehow determine if it was originally added in error. That is going
to be tough to do after nine years removed from the actual change being made.
Any ideas on how you would proceed with this, Paul?
Cheers,
Randy
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Part 3705b first appeared as a regular part in sets in 1986 according to our
catalog. So it seems strange that it appeared as an extra part in another set
two years before that. Based on that it seems that a mistake was probably made
when adding this extra.
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But wouldn't this set have been produced at least for a few years, possibly
overlapping the introduction of part 3705b?
| | The only way to be sure would be to ask the person who added it in the first
place. But even they might not remember it after so many years.
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I guess we could try that route.
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Hi
No... that was also my first thought (my cancelled post) but have a look at the
instructions and all 5 are used as regular axle.
Stefaan
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Yeah, I already went over the instructions yesterday. I know it isn't used
in the set in any way, but it may have popped into a random set after a few years
on the market. In any case, I believe it was most likely a LEGO packaging error
if it was found in a set. I am definitely leaning towards removing it from the
inventory.
Cheers,
Randy
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I have decided to remove this extra from the inventory. I just can't think
of anything or find anything that makes sense except for it possibly being a
packaging error.
Request approved.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 5, 2019 21:08 | | Subject: | Re: That Randy Color | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mfav writes:
| | It's a quick read, and appropriate for non-technical types.
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Who said I'm non-technical? I have a degree in Chemical Engineering, a minor
in Computer Science, worked as a process engineer for a Fortune 50 company, and
then transferred into working for that same company as a web application developer
specializing in UI/UX design and database architecture. Believe me, if this was
my site, things would be wayyyyyyyyyyy different.
Thanks for your thoughts on everything, though. I do appreciate them, but a project
of the scope you are talking about is way above my pay grade and I have no ability
to implement it the way I would want to.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 5, 2019 13:59 | | Subject: | Re: nb of 45677 red pieces in 4883 creator set | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Inventories | |
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| In Inventories, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Inventories, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Inventories, stephannie writes:
| | "gear grinders" creator set, 4 red pieces ref 45677 are needed on
the paper instruction (see my photo). And 5 are needed on the Bricklink Inventory.
As it is a creator, with different building options, the exact needed number
is not easy to know. All i know is that 4 of these red pieces are enough to build
each of the suggested buiding options in the instruction. But separately, one
after the other. I don't know if TLG designed this set as being able to build
several "gear grinders" at the same time ? ... Another member owns this set ?
Good sunday to all of you !!
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Brickset (= more or less LEGO) agrees with BrickLink to reach 273 pieces in total,
so, unless another part is wrong, it looks correct.
Note that the 5th part was changed to extra on February, 16th 2012, and changed
back to regular on the 19th.
Unfortunately, we can’t see the messages accompanying the changes anymore 
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=4883-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1
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Those movment were I think due to parts count on box which shows 273 part. So
current parts count in inventory match.
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Sealed set contents that I have found show that the set indeed came with five
of the part, since all three of the main models on the front cover were able
to be made at the same time. Those three models require five of the part. Therefore,
the inventory is correct. However, I will add a note that the instruction manual
has a mistake in the parts list.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 5, 2019 13:39 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8851-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, elias3 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, paulvdb writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jack_xp writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Black {3705b Technic, Axle 4 Threaded to 3705 Technic, Axle 4} (Extra)
Comments from Submitter:
Are you suore that extra item is 3705b (threaded) and not a 3705 (normal)? In the instruction of the kit neve use the 3705b item
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Nope, not sure at all!
This part was added as an extra in 2010. Unfortunately, the Inventory Change
Requests from back then were not saved indefinitely in the forums like they are
today, so we have no information as to why this change was asked for or approved.
I honestly can't see a reason for it being in there.
Our guidelines for Extras in an inventory state:
Removing or Changing Extra Items - Extra parts can vary depending on when
and where a set was manufactured, meaning that some new sets may include them
and others may not. The quantity of these extra parts can also vary. Extra parts
are typically not removed or reduced in quantity unless it can be determined
that they were originally added or increased in error.
So, to make a decision concerning whether to remove this as an extra part, I
have to somehow determine if it was originally added in error. That is going
to be tough to do after nine years removed from the actual change being made.
Any ideas on how you would proceed with this, Paul?
Cheers,
Randy
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Part 3705b first appeared as a regular part in sets in 1986 according to our
catalog. So it seems strange that it appeared as an extra part in another set
two years before that. Based on that it seems that a mistake was probably made
when adding this extra.
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But wouldn't this set have been produced at least for a few years, possibly
overlapping the introduction of part 3705b?
| | The only way to be sure would be to ask the person who added it in the first
place. But even they might not remember it after so many years.
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I guess we could try that route.
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Hi
No... that was also my first thought (my cancelled post) but have a look at the
instructions and all 5 are used as regular axle.
Stefaan
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Yeah, I already went over the instructions yesterday. I know it isn't used
in the set in any way, but it may have popped into a random set after a few years
on the market. In any case, I believe it was most likely a LEGO packaging error
if it was found in a set. I am definitely leaning towards removing it from the
inventory.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 5, 2019 12:30 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 103-1 | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part trainrim Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels
* Delete 1 Part bb45c02 Blue Electric 4.5V Battery Box 6 x 11 x 3 Type II for 1-Prong & 2-Prong Connectors
* Add 1 Part bb45c02 Blue Electric 4.5V Battery Box 6 x 11 x 3 Type II for 1-Prong & 2-Prong Connectors (match ID 3)
* Add 1 Part bb45c02 Black Electric 4.5V Battery Box 6 x 11 x 3 Type II for 1-Prong & 2-Prong Connectors (Alternate) (match ID 3)
* Delete 4 Part wheel2a Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor
* Delete 4 Part wheel2ac01 Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) (Counterpart)
* Add 4 Part wheel2ac02 Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Light Gray Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) (match ID 4)
* Add 4 Part wheel2ac01 Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Delete 1 Part bb06 Blue Electric, Motor 4.5V Type B 12 x 4 x 3 1/3
* Add 1 Part bb06 Blue Electric, Motor 4.5V Type B 12 x 4 x 3 1/3 (match ID 5)
* Add 1 Part bb06 Black Electric, Motor 4.5V Type B 12 x 4 x 3 1/3 (Alternate) (match ID 5)
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IT is hard to find sealed copies of these old sets. I found out that the light
gray rims were still used in 1969 (at least), the year in which this set and
721-1 were released. See
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1086773
The instructions and the box of this set shows the light gray rims. I also found
some used sets coming with light gray rims AND blue battery wagon/blue motor.
I don't know why the light gray rims were never added to this inventory.
I attach also a photo from toysspread.com
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Maybe they were never added to the inventory because the light gray rims never
came in the set? I could not find any images of even used sets with light gray
rims, so I am not convinced. I found one image of a pretty good looking set that
had a blue wagon, but the train rims were still black. Where can I find these
images you are talking about? You are making your assumptions for these changes
on the box, instructions, and images of used sets that are not yours and may
have been changed, so it is not convincing enough to me to add the light gray
rims and blue battery box right away. Maybe the blue wagon, but I am not even
sure of that.
Thoughts, Paul?
Cheers,
Randy
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Randy,
I did not request to add the blue battery box or the blue motor, I only requested
to change their match Ids. They are already in the inventory. but the way, the
blue battery box and motor appeared in sets from 1970:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=bb06&in=S
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=bb45c02&in=S
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I understand this, but the original inventory may be wrong. That is why I look
at everything I can find. I want to know if alternates are the right course of
action or if outright replacements of the main parts are needed in the inventory.
So far, I have not personally found an image of one of these sets with a blue
battery box or light gray rims. You said that you had found some. I asked you
where I could find those images. You have yet to answer that question. I do not
trust anything from the ToysPeriod website, because they steal all of their content
from other sources. In other words, I will not trust that the one image from
that site that shows the blue battery box and light gray rims has all of its
original parts. The image may be from a source that used the box images to complete
the set, but all of the actual parts in the set may have never been those pictured
on the box.
| | When inventory admins receive a request, they want to see evidence to approve
it. Concerning the light gray rims, we have already two sets from 1969 to consider:
1) Should the light-gray rims be removed from 721-1?
2) Should they be added to 103-1?
The first question is the opposite of the second question because the light-gray
rims are already in the inventory of 721-1 but they are not in the inventory
of 103-1.
Were there any evidence that they came with 721-1? (I don't think so)
So everything is based on how the inventory were created in the early days of
Bricklink. The set 721-1 was inventoried to have light-gray rims and then the
black ones were added. But 103-1 was inventoried to have the black ones in 2006
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=103-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1
by the way, based on the evidence of set 138-1, we know that the light gray rims
were still used back in 1969.
I know it is not easy to make a decision, but I prefer consistency in lack of
evidence 
By the way, the first photo I uploaded shows the light gray rims, taken from
the website toysperiod.com
Cheers,
Reza
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 5, 2019 12:17 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 103-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 3058b Light Gray Plate, Modified 6 x 16 with Motor Cutout Wide
* Add 1 Part 3058b Light Gray Plate, Modified 6 x 16 with Motor Cutout Wide (match ID 6)
* Add 1 Part 3058b Black Plate, Modified 6 x 16 with Motor Cutout Wide (match ID 6)
Comments from Submitter:
See
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1139682
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You should be able to use the change function now. It was fixed a few days ago.
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I thought it would not be deployed to the live site until next week. Was it already
pushed to the live site, then?
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 5, 2019 12:15 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8851-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, paulvdb writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jack_xp writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Black {3705b Technic, Axle 4 Threaded to 3705 Technic, Axle 4} (Extra)
Comments from Submitter:
Are you suore that extra item is 3705b (threaded) and not a 3705 (normal)? In the instruction of the kit neve use the 3705b item
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Nope, not sure at all!
This part was added as an extra in 2010. Unfortunately, the Inventory Change
Requests from back then were not saved indefinitely in the forums like they are
today, so we have no information as to why this change was asked for or approved.
I honestly can't see a reason for it being in there.
Our guidelines for Extras in an inventory state:
Removing or Changing Extra Items - Extra parts can vary depending on when
and where a set was manufactured, meaning that some new sets may include them
and others may not. The quantity of these extra parts can also vary. Extra parts
are typically not removed or reduced in quantity unless it can be determined
that they were originally added or increased in error.
So, to make a decision concerning whether to remove this as an extra part, I
have to somehow determine if it was originally added in error. That is going
to be tough to do after nine years removed from the actual change being made.
Any ideas on how you would proceed with this, Paul?
Cheers,
Randy
|
Part 3705b first appeared as a regular part in sets in 1986 according to our
catalog. So it seems strange that it appeared as an extra part in another set
two years before that. Based on that it seems that a mistake was probably made
when adding this extra.
|
But wouldn't this set have been produced at least for a few years, possibly
overlapping the introduction of part 3705b?
| | The only way to be sure would be to ask the person who added it in the first
place. But even they might not remember it after so many years.
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I guess we could try that route.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 4, 2019 23:24 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 103-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part trainrim Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels
* Delete 1 Part bb45c02 Blue Electric 4.5V Battery Box 6 x 11 x 3 Type II for 1-Prong & 2-Prong Connectors
* Add 1 Part bb45c02 Blue Electric 4.5V Battery Box 6 x 11 x 3 Type II for 1-Prong & 2-Prong Connectors (match ID 3)
* Add 1 Part bb45c02 Black Electric 4.5V Battery Box 6 x 11 x 3 Type II for 1-Prong & 2-Prong Connectors (Alternate) (match ID 3)
* Delete 4 Part wheel2a Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor
* Delete 4 Part wheel2ac01 Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) (Counterpart)
* Add 4 Part wheel2ac02 Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Light Gray Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) (match ID 4)
* Add 4 Part wheel2ac01 Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Delete 1 Part bb06 Blue Electric, Motor 4.5V Type B 12 x 4 x 3 1/3
* Add 1 Part bb06 Blue Electric, Motor 4.5V Type B 12 x 4 x 3 1/3 (match ID 5)
* Add 1 Part bb06 Black Electric, Motor 4.5V Type B 12 x 4 x 3 1/3 (Alternate) (match ID 5)
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IT is hard to find sealed copies of these old sets. I found out that the light
gray rims were still used in 1969 (at least), the year in which this set and
721-1 were released. See
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1086773
The instructions and the box of this set shows the light gray rims. I also found
some used sets coming with light gray rims AND blue battery wagon/blue motor.
I don't know why the light gray rims were never added to this inventory.
I attach also a photo from toysspread.com
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Maybe they were never added to the inventory because the light gray rims never
came in the set? I could not find any images of even used sets with light gray
rims, so I am not convinced. I found one image of a pretty good looking set that
had a blue wagon, but the train rims were still black. Where can I find these
images you are talking about? You are making your assumptions for these changes
on the box, instructions, and images of used sets that are not yours and may
have been changed, so it is not convincing enough to me to add the light gray
rims and blue battery box right away. Maybe the blue wagon, but I am not even
sure of that.
Thoughts, Paul?
Cheers,
Randy
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