Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | bje  | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2019 14:13 | | Subject: | Re: We need a modern way to part out sets. | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, ToriHada writes:
| | In Suggestions, HallBricks writes:
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| | There are of course lots of different features that could be implemented to make
the Part Out tool even more powerful, like more advanced ways to set up automatic
prices, like 10% below average etc.
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When I was selling here I was very strongly opposed to the idea of automating
pricing to undercut the Price Guide Average. My thinking then was that nothing
would increase downward pressure on prices or accelerate the "race to the bottom"
some sellers here engage in more than giving them a way to automatically, easily,
quickly and repeatedly price thousands and thousands of lots BELOW the Price
Guide Average. The tedious manual process was one significant check that reduced
the downward pressure on prices.
But since I am very unlikely to ever sell here again, and quite likely to resume
buying at some point, I would LOVE to see a feature that helps to reduce prices
even more. So I would vote yes if this were a formal suggestion.
Foster
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Agreed. Actually, the system as it is is already working in your favour as a
buyer - thee part out system being so poorly designed and unstable drives alot
of sellers to use Brickstock. Brickstock retrieves prices WITHOUT VAT - which
means that for all European sellers, it retrieves prices that are significantly
lower than what you get parting out on the Bricklink website. The result is sellers
underpricing without being aware of it, fuelling the global race to the bottom.
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Maybe, maybe not. There are a lot of sellers in that bottom end of the market
that make up prices with fees and charges. You cannot compare prices in the price
guide without factoring fees etc. If the average is 10c and the minimum price
is 7c, if one seller sells at 10c with no fees, he is no different to the seller
at the bottom at 7c with charges and fees that knocks the price back over 11c.
I had me one like that just last week: no fees on the terms page when I got the
invoice, fees and charges excluding shipping were 40% of the order value, knocking
all of the individual prices that seller was asking on those parts from the bottom
5% to way over the average price.
When you actually spend some time really looking at those prices, virtually all
of them are exclusive of fees and charges - meaning the price guide is actually
just false advertising since hardly any of those sellers are actually prepared
to sell at the price they have listed at. And those are just the ones that are
honest enough to tell you upfront about extra fees, there are still a large volume
of sellers who charge those fees included in the shipping charge, sometimes an
extra 50% over and above the actual shipping charge. They are very very aware
of where they are pricing, and it has nothing to do with a race to the bottom,
but everything to do with luring unwary buyers.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2019 14:09 | | Subject: | Re: We need a modern way to part out sets. | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | When parting out huge sets with thousands of pieces, it would also be nice to
be able to save the progress and continue later. Maybe there should be one upload
button for each lot, so I don't have to go through the entire list first
and then submit all changes at once.
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Use the "exclude all parts" option when you part out, that way you can click
each part as you include them. It means you can stop uploading parts during
a part out whenever you like without all of the others being uploaded too.
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| Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2019 13:36 | | Subject: | Re: We need a modern way to part out sets. | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, DallasBricks writes:
| | Bricklink as a whole has not left the hobby status. Although there are many
sellers that are business minded in their processes, scale, and earnings, they
are left using outdated hobby like business practices.
The parting out process is a dinosaur. It is fraught with failure potholes that
can cause you to loose a lot of work in an instant. It is difficult to update
and maintain your inventory. The whole alternate mold/part thing is still a
mess. It is very easy to screw up your inventory using BL tools or the ones
that try to interface with BL.
I don't see these things changing in the future. Bricklink made it clear
that the site would have a few changes but would not be updated to a professional
level. A few features that nobody wanted were added, (Moc shop, Brick arms,
Stud.io)
The payment and shipping side are still limping along after over 3 years of attempted
updates.
Bricklink is more trouble than it is worth for many sellers. I stopped selling
parts several years ago and am glad I did so. Now I have a huge inventory to
build with.
Oh, and don't get me started on the wanted list thing. It is improved, but
there are so many improvements that could be made. Large projects are incredibly
complicated and require spreadsheets, tools, and lots of time and effort. Bricklink
offers little in the way of effective tools.
But I'm still here buying and such. 
David
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+1 That's a very good way to put it - it's at hobby level. Nothing more
or less. This is why for all hobby users, Bricklink work fine and they are nothing
but glad to use it, and with good reasons. For professional users, it's incredibly
frustrating at times, and their complaints are poorly understood by the hobby
users. Since there are more buyers than sellers, the voice for people to stop
"complaining" is sometimes louder than the voice that wants change. That doesn't
really help development either (although BL hardly seems to read the forum, let
alone be influenced by it).
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| Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2019 13:31 | | Subject: | Re: We need a modern way to part out sets. | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, ToriHada writes:
| | In Suggestions, HallBricks writes:
...
| | There are of course lots of different features that could be implemented to make
the Part Out tool even more powerful, like more advanced ways to set up automatic
prices, like 10% below average etc.
|
When I was selling here I was very strongly opposed to the idea of automating
pricing to undercut the Price Guide Average. My thinking then was that nothing
would increase downward pressure on prices or accelerate the "race to the bottom"
some sellers here engage in more than giving them a way to automatically, easily,
quickly and repeatedly price thousands and thousands of lots BELOW the Price
Guide Average. The tedious manual process was one significant check that reduced
the downward pressure on prices.
But since I am very unlikely to ever sell here again, and quite likely to resume
buying at some point, I would LOVE to see a feature that helps to reduce prices
even more. So I would vote yes if this were a formal suggestion.
Foster
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Agreed. Actually, the system as it is is already working in your favour as a
buyer - thee part out system being so poorly designed and unstable drives alot
of sellers to use Brickstock. Brickstock retrieves prices WITHOUT VAT - which
means that for all European sellers, it retrieves prices that are significantly
lower than what you get parting out on the Bricklink website. The result is sellers
underpricing without being aware of it, fuelling the global race to the bottom.
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| Author: | DallasBricks | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2019 12:52 | | Subject: | Re: We need a modern way to part out sets. | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Bricklink as a whole has not left the hobby status. Although there are many
sellers that are business minded in their processes, scale, and earnings, they
are left using outdated hobby like business practices.
The parting out process is a dinosaur. It is fraught with failure potholes that
can cause you to loose a lot of work in an instant. It is difficult to update
and maintain your inventory. The whole alternate mold/part thing is still a
mess. It is very easy to screw up your inventory using BL tools or the ones
that try to interface with BL.
I don't see these things changing in the future. Bricklink made it clear
that the site would have a few changes but would not be updated to a professional
level. A few features that nobody wanted were added, (Moc shop, Brick arms,
Stud.io)
The payment and shipping side are still limping along after over 3 years of attempted
updates.
Bricklink is more trouble than it is worth for many sellers. I stopped selling
parts several years ago and am glad I did so. Now I have a huge inventory to
build with.
Oh, and don't get me started on the wanted list thing. It is improved, but
there are so many improvements that could be made. Large projects are incredibly
complicated and require spreadsheets, tools, and lots of time and effort. Bricklink
offers little in the way of effective tools.
But I'm still here buying and such.
David
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| Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2019 10:38 | | Subject: | Re: We need a modern way to part out sets. | | Viewed: | 87 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, HallBricks writes:
...
| | There are of course lots of different features that could be implemented to make
the Part Out tool even more powerful, like more advanced ways to set up automatic
prices, like 10% below average etc.
|
When I was selling here I was very strongly opposed to the idea of automating
pricing to undercut the Price Guide Average. My thinking then was that nothing
would increase downward pressure on prices or accelerate the "race to the bottom"
some sellers here engage in more than giving them a way to automatically, easily,
quickly and repeatedly price thousands and thousands of lots BELOW the Price
Guide Average. The tedious manual process was one significant check that reduced
the downward pressure on prices.
But since I am very unlikely to ever sell here again, and quite likely to resume
buying at some point, I would LOVE to see a feature that helps to reduce prices
even more. So I would vote yes if this were a formal suggestion.
Foster
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| Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2019 08:01 | | Subject: | Re: We need a modern way to part out sets. | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, HallBricks writes:
| | The "Part Out" tool feels very outdated, and is tedious to use. One accidental
click on a link, and you loose every data you have put in for each lot.
I know there are third party software used to upload parts to your inventory,
but think a much more powerful way to part out set should be offered by BrickLink.
Maybe a software you download to your computer, but it could also just be a massive
redesign of the existing tool online.
What I miss the most is easier ways to manage lots that already exist in my inventory.
I don't want to open a new page just to check the remarks for a certain lot,
because if I forget to open that link in a new tab I will loose all progress
made with the other lots. This information should be visible on the same page,
or I should be able to open it in a pop-up window.
When parting out huge sets with thousands of pieces, it would also be nice to
be able to save the progress and continue later. Maybe there should be one upload
button for each lot, so I don't have to go through the entire list first
and then submit all changes at once.
There are of course lots of different features that could be implemented to make
the Part Out tool even more powerful, like more advanced ways to set up automatic
prices, like 10% below average etc.
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YOu are of course right - that feature needs re-thinking. Having said that I
am not yet convinced leaving it in the hands of the developers, without a proper
specification will gie us what we want/need. It would be absolutely brilliant
if they come to the members and ask for input - then produce a spec for review
and then once agreed - write the code. Not really going to happen is it. No work
is currently being done on the classic site whilst all efforts are directed to
the next great marvel Bricklink xp and then, according to Admin_russell sellers
tools are next, whatever that means. As we have been waiting since 2013 for some
indication as to what that will be and the only message which evens mentions
features was that from Admin suggesting that B2B should be part of sellers tools
????? I wonder who asked for that and what does it mean?
People who run stores both new and old know what they need far better than those
who have not run a store. They should be asked what is needed and as I mentioned
in the first paragraph given a significant say in what is developed. Not goint
to happen, I am sure but one could hope.
For starters we ned as a minimum the following:
1. Inventory management
1. Sales Metrics/dashboard
3. Access to Google Analytics information for no of visitors etc
4. More printing capabilities (parameter/choice driven
5. More options using Query by Form
6. A totally revamped MY Inventory page
7. A proper part-out log (not the current one)
8. Redesign of the part out feature
9. Redesign of the add inventory page
10. Proper backup capabilities
11. Re-visit downloads and make them compatible with modern tools
And that list could go on for days
Sorry to kind of hi-jack your thread.
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| Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2019 05:37 | | Subject: | Re: We need a modern way to part out sets. | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, HallBricks writes:
| | The "Part Out" tool feels very outdated, and is tedious to use. One accidental
click on a link, and you loose every data you have put in for each lot.
I know there are third party software used to upload parts to your inventory,
but think a much more powerful way to part out set should be offered by BrickLink.
Maybe a software you download to your computer, but it could also just be a massive
redesign of the existing tool online.
What I miss the most is easier ways to manage lots that already exist in my inventory.
I don't want to open a new page just to check the remarks for a certain lot,
because if I forget to open that link in a new tab I will loose all progress
made with the other lots. This information should be visible on the same page,
or I should be able to open it in a pop-up window.
When parting out huge sets with thousands of pieces, it would also be nice to
be able to save the progress and continue later. Maybe there should be one upload
button for each lot, so I don't have to go through the entire list first
and then submit all changes at once.
There are of course lots of different features that could be implemented to make
the Part Out tool even more powerful, like more advanced ways to set up automatic
prices, like 10% below average etc.
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You're completely right, it should have been redone many years ago. If you
compare the wanted list part-out screen with the seller's part-out screen,
it becomes very clear that sellers are the lowest of low priorities..
BL said however that seller tools are just around the corner, if this is true
then some update in the part-out system must be included as well. I guess it
just comes down to whether you believe that statement or not - some users do,
some don't.
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| Author: | HallBricks | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2019 05:31 | | Subject: | We need a modern way to part out sets. | | Viewed: | 271 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| The "Part Out" tool feels very outdated, and is tedious to use. One accidental
click on a link, and you loose every data you have put in for each lot.
I know there are third party software used to upload parts to your inventory,
but think a much more powerful way to part out set should be offered by BrickLink.
Maybe a software you download to your computer, but it could also just be a massive
redesign of the existing tool online.
What I miss the most is easier ways to manage lots that already exist in my inventory.
I don't want to open a new page just to check the remarks for a certain lot,
because if I forget to open that link in a new tab I will loose all progress
made with the other lots. This information should be visible on the same page,
or I should be able to open it in a pop-up window.
When parting out huge sets with thousands of pieces, it would also be nice to
be able to save the progress and continue later. Maybe there should be one upload
button for each lot, so I don't have to go through the entire list first
and then submit all changes at once.
There are of course lots of different features that could be implemented to make
the Part Out tool even more powerful, like more advanced ways to set up automatic
prices, like 10% below average etc.
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| Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2019 08:34 | | Subject: | Re: Irresponsible people in bricklink | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Cob writes:
| | In Suggestions, ASSK writes:
| | Guys, what i am saying maybe cliché but many sellers here should have already
experienced those irresponsible people who order and go away or give those funny
excuses blah blah blah. i am not asking for any kind of punishment to those people,
i just hope the management of bricklink can work out something to avoid these
so as to have a better protection to our sellers.(such as set limitations for
new account or consequences of cancellation) thank you for your time. God bless.
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Suggestion:
Setup instant checkout and require buyers under 5 feedback to pay immediately.
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+1
Instant checkout is def the way to go. I used to get a fair number of delinquent
payers before instant checkout existed. It's basically eliminated the problem.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2019 04:13 | | Subject: | Re: Irresponsible people in bricklink | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, ASSK writes:
| | Guys, what i am saying maybe cliché but many sellers here should have already
experienced those irresponsible people who order and go away or give those funny
excuses blah blah blah. i am not asking for any kind of punishment to those people,
i just hope the management of bricklink can work out something to avoid these
so as to have a better protection to our sellers.(such as set limitations for
new account or consequences of cancellation) thank you for your time. God bless.
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Why not use the existing setup of reporting them as non-paying buyers rather
than requesting a new feature.
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| Author: | WhiteHorseMatt | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2019 03:51 | | Subject: | Re: Irresponsible people in bricklink | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Cob writes:
| | In Suggestions, ASSK writes:
| | Guys, what i am saying maybe cliché but many sellers here should have already
experienced those irresponsible people who order and go away or give those funny
excuses blah blah blah. i am not asking for any kind of punishment to those people,
i just hope the management of bricklink can work out something to avoid these
so as to have a better protection to our sellers.(such as set limitations for
new account or consequences of cancellation) thank you for your time. God bless.
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Suggestion:
Setup instant checkout and require buyers under 5 feedback to pay immediately.
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You would also need to make Paypal Onsite your only payment method.
I've had a couple of people have an instant invoice, and then not pay, or
have problems with payment.
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| Author: | cplonsdale | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2019 00:15 | | Subject: | Re: Irresponsible people in bricklink | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, cplonsdale writes:
| | In Suggestions, ASSK writes:
| | Guys, what i am saying maybe cliché but many sellers here should have already
experienced those irresponsible people who order and go away or give those funny
excuses blah blah blah. i am not asking for any kind of punishment to those people,
i just hope the management of bricklink can work out something to avoid these
so as to have a better protection to our sellers.(such as set limitations for
new account or consequences of cancellation) thank you for your time. God bless.
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You want to run a shop but you don't want to deal with customers?
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yes people who order then change their mind are frustrating but you are sounding
to me like the irresponsible one if you can't accommodate that.
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| Author: | cplonsdale | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2019 00:07 | | Subject: | Re: Irresponsible people in bricklink | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, ASSK writes:
| | Guys, what i am saying maybe cliché but many sellers here should have already
experienced those irresponsible people who order and go away or give those funny
excuses blah blah blah. i am not asking for any kind of punishment to those people,
i just hope the management of bricklink can work out something to avoid these
so as to have a better protection to our sellers.(such as set limitations for
new account or consequences of cancellation) thank you for your time. God bless.
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You want to run a shop but you don't want to deal with customers?
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| Author: | Cob | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2019 23:05 | | Subject: | Re: Irresponsible people in bricklink | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, ASSK writes:
| | Guys, what i am saying maybe cliché but many sellers here should have already
experienced those irresponsible people who order and go away or give those funny
excuses blah blah blah. i am not asking for any kind of punishment to those people,
i just hope the management of bricklink can work out something to avoid these
so as to have a better protection to our sellers.(such as set limitations for
new account or consequences of cancellation) thank you for your time. God bless.
|
Suggestion:
Setup instant checkout and require buyers under 5 feedback to pay immediately.
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| Author: | BrickTHG | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2019 22:54 | | Subject: | Irresponsible people in bricklink | | Viewed: | 286 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| Guys, what i am saying maybe cliché but many sellers here should have already
experienced those irresponsible people who order and go away or give those funny
excuses blah blah blah. i am not asking for any kind of punishment to those people,
i just hope the management of bricklink can work out something to avoid these
so as to have a better protection to our sellers.(such as set limitations for
new account or consequences of cancellation) thank you for your time. God bless.
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| Author: | MidwestBrick | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2019 17:05 | | Subject: | Re: New and Used: more shades of grey are needed | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, runner.caller writes:
| | In Suggestions, MidwestBrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, JusTiCe8 writes:
| | Hi,
as a buyer, I found having only two choices for parts condition is far too basic
and not useful, mostly for buyers, but also for sellers who seek accuracy and
honesty regarding their inventory.
I mean, for now a seller can only pick new or used, but pretty much everyone
has his/her own standard and I got some used parts which are like new, some others
which are closer to the one way ticket to trash, if you see what I mean  .
It's not good nor practical to force seller to put actual picture(s) of all
the used parts, both hobbyist and professional has better use of their time I
guess.
Plus, asking for every single part before ordering is not good either, some sellers
didn't took time to reply to potential buyer's question already.
And when seller put description, it's quite subjective, one adjective is
far to describe actual shape of a part: "bite marks, yellowish", ok but how many
marks, how deep ?
how much "yellowished" is the brick ?
Some may claims "quite good", some other "I can't send them to trash".
A quality score could be added to a used part. It would be used as well to set
the sell price, as trash-ready used parts can lower the infamous "average 6 months"
and lower ALL prices, which is very unfair for like new parts.
Any thoughts ?
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The other site that has various categories of Used was the #1 reason I will never
use it, unless BL goes away. I do not want to have to make my judgment call
and "hope" that the buyer has the same judgment call on what category of "used"
I selected.
Here is my advice when buying Used. Buy from various sources, when you find
a source that sells you crap compared to others... don't buy from the crap
store anymore and continue buying from the stores that treat you well. For example,
a large % of my Used pieces I am confident I could put down "like-new" and maybe
even sell them as "new" and no one would know the difference. I surely don't
do that but I'm trying to make a point. I don't make too many comments
on Used Items because it isn't necessary. Buyers that purchase from me multiple
times know what to expect, that a large percentage of Used items will be in good-great
condition unless I did make a notation about a specific dent, scratch, etc...
but didn't want to toss the piece as it has value to it, however, still have
the notation that it any piece is Used and could have been played with.
I don't think we need any Buyer Rating system either. This will only cause
uproar when our opinions are ever so slightly different.
Each Store can make their own process as they see fit. I have no issue with anyone
taking the time to do this. I certainly do not have the time to "judge" every
piece though. It would literally be sorting everything once which takes long
enough, and then sorting them all again and instead of having 2 main locations
for items stored (new and used) you would need 4 or 5 or who knows how many to
make sure you are pulling from the correct drawer, bag or akro-mill slot, etc...
There is Positive, Neutral and Negative Feedback available if, as a buyer, anyone
does not agree with what they received from what they purchased.
I understand your argument but I, and I assume many others here, do not have
another 4-8 hours per day to put into subjective scoring. Thanks
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+1
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Thank you, I appreciate that.
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| Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2019 16:39 | | Subject: | Re: New and Used: more shades of grey are needed | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, MidwestBrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, JusTiCe8 writes:
| | Hi,
as a buyer, I found having only two choices for parts condition is far too basic
and not useful, mostly for buyers, but also for sellers who seek accuracy and
honesty regarding their inventory.
I mean, for now a seller can only pick new or used, but pretty much everyone
has his/her own standard and I got some used parts which are like new, some others
which are closer to the one way ticket to trash, if you see what I mean .
It's not good nor practical to force seller to put actual picture(s) of all
the used parts, both hobbyist and professional has better use of their time I
guess.
Plus, asking for every single part before ordering is not good either, some sellers
didn't took time to reply to potential buyer's question already.
And when seller put description, it's quite subjective, one adjective is
far to describe actual shape of a part: "bite marks, yellowish", ok but how many
marks, how deep ?
how much "yellowished" is the brick ?
Some may claims "quite good", some other "I can't send them to trash".
A quality score could be added to a used part. It would be used as well to set
the sell price, as trash-ready used parts can lower the infamous "average 6 months"
and lower ALL prices, which is very unfair for like new parts.
Any thoughts ?
|
The other site that has various categories of Used was the #1 reason I will never
use it, unless BL goes away. I do not want to have to make my judgment call
and "hope" that the buyer has the same judgment call on what category of "used"
I selected.
Here is my advice when buying Used. Buy from various sources, when you find
a source that sells you crap compared to others... don't buy from the crap
store anymore and continue buying from the stores that treat you well. For example,
a large % of my Used pieces I am confident I could put down "like-new" and maybe
even sell them as "new" and no one would know the difference. I surely don't
do that but I'm trying to make a point. I don't make too many comments
on Used Items because it isn't necessary. Buyers that purchase from me multiple
times know what to expect, that a large percentage of Used items will be in good-great
condition unless I did make a notation about a specific dent, scratch, etc...
but didn't want to toss the piece as it has value to it, however, still have
the notation that it any piece is Used and could have been played with.
I don't think we need any Buyer Rating system either. This will only cause
uproar when our opinions are ever so slightly different.
Each Store can make their own process as they see fit. I have no issue with anyone
taking the time to do this. I certainly do not have the time to "judge" every
piece though. It would literally be sorting everything once which takes long
enough, and then sorting them all again and instead of having 2 main locations
for items stored (new and used) you would need 4 or 5 or who knows how many to
make sure you are pulling from the correct drawer, bag or akro-mill slot, etc...
There is Positive, Neutral and Negative Feedback available if, as a buyer, anyone
does not agree with what they received from what they purchased.
I understand your argument but I, and I assume many others here, do not have
another 4-8 hours per day to put into subjective scoring. Thanks
|
+1
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| Author: | MidwestBrick | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2019 16:18 | | Subject: | Re: New and Used: more shades of grey are needed | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JusTiCe8 writes:
| | Hi,
as a buyer, I found having only two choices for parts condition is far too basic
and not useful, mostly for buyers, but also for sellers who seek accuracy and
honesty regarding their inventory.
I mean, for now a seller can only pick new or used, but pretty much everyone
has his/her own standard and I got some used parts which are like new, some others
which are closer to the one way ticket to trash, if you see what I mean .
It's not good nor practical to force seller to put actual picture(s) of all
the used parts, both hobbyist and professional has better use of their time I
guess.
Plus, asking for every single part before ordering is not good either, some sellers
didn't took time to reply to potential buyer's question already.
And when seller put description, it's quite subjective, one adjective is
far to describe actual shape of a part: "bite marks, yellowish", ok but how many
marks, how deep ?
how much "yellowished" is the brick ?
Some may claims "quite good", some other "I can't send them to trash".
A quality score could be added to a used part. It would be used as well to set
the sell price, as trash-ready used parts can lower the infamous "average 6 months"
and lower ALL prices, which is very unfair for like new parts.
Any thoughts ?
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The other site that has various categories of Used was the #1 reason I will never
use it, unless BL goes away. I do not want to have to make my judgment call
and "hope" that the buyer has the same judgment call on what category of "used"
I selected.
Here is my advice when buying Used. Buy from various sources, when you find
a source that sells you crap compared to others... don't buy from the crap
store anymore and continue buying from the stores that treat you well. For example,
a large % of my Used pieces I am confident I could put down "like-new" and maybe
even sell them as "new" and no one would know the difference. I surely don't
do that but I'm trying to make a point. I don't make too many comments
on Used Items because it isn't necessary. Buyers that purchase from me multiple
times know what to expect, that a large percentage of Used items will be in good-great
condition unless I did make a notation about a specific dent, scratch, etc...
but didn't want to toss the piece as it has value to it, however, still have
the notation that it any piece is Used and could have been played with.
I don't think we need any Buyer Rating system either. This will only cause
uproar when our opinions are ever so slightly different.
Each Store can make their own process as they see fit. I have no issue with anyone
taking the time to do this. I certainly do not have the time to "judge" every
piece though. It would literally be sorting everything once which takes long
enough, and then sorting them all again and instead of having 2 main locations
for items stored (new and used) you would need 4 or 5 or who knows how many to
make sure you are pulling from the correct drawer, bag or akro-mill slot, etc...
There is Positive, Neutral and Negative Feedback available if, as a buyer, anyone
does not agree with what they received from what they purchased.
I understand your argument but I, and I assume many others here, do not have
another 4-8 hours per day to put into subjective scoring. Thanks
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| Author: | iprice | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2019 14:53 | | Subject: | Re: New and Used: more shades of grey are needed | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JusTiCe8 writes:
| | Hi,
as a buyer, I found having only two choices for parts condition is far too basic
and not useful, mostly for buyers, but also for sellers who seek accuracy and
honesty regarding their inventory.
I mean, for now a seller can only pick new or used, but pretty much everyone
has his/her own standard and I got some used parts which are like new, some others
which are closer to the one way ticket to trash, if you see what I mean .
It's not good nor practical to force seller to put actual picture(s) of all
the used parts, both hobbyist and professional has better use of their time I
guess.
Plus, asking for every single part before ordering is not good either, some sellers
didn't took time to reply to potential buyer's question already.
And when seller put description, it's quite subjective, one adjective is
far to describe actual shape of a part: "bite marks, yellowish", ok but how many
marks, how deep ?
how much "yellowished" is the brick ?
Some may claims "quite good", some other "I can't send them to trash".
A quality score could be added to a used part. It would be used as well to set
the sell price, as trash-ready used parts can lower the infamous "average 6 months"
and lower ALL prices, which is very unfair for like new parts.
Any thoughts ?
|
I had a shipment of Lego parts recently that were a batch of new and used allegedly
"clean" Lego parts that all stank to high heaven of tobacco smoke. Some sellers
really don't care about the product at all. The b@stard even gave me a negative
feedback for complaining that a product I had paid good money for smelled terrible.
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| Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2019 12:20 | | Subject: | Re: New and Used: more shades of grey are needed | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JusTiCe8 writes:
| | Hi,
as a buyer, I found having only two choices for parts condition is far too basic
and not useful, mostly for buyers, but also for sellers who seek accuracy and
honesty regarding their inventory.
I mean, for now a seller can only pick new or used, but pretty much everyone
has his/her own standard and I got some used parts which are like new, some others
which are closer to the one way ticket to trash, if you see what I mean .
It's not good nor practical to force seller to put actual picture(s) of all
the used parts, both hobbyist and professional has better use of their time I
guess.
Plus, asking for every single part before ordering is not good either, some sellers
didn't took time to reply to potential buyer's question already.
And when seller put description, it's quite subjective, one adjective is
far to describe actual shape of a part: "bite marks, yellowish", ok but how many
marks, how deep ?
how much "yellowished" is the brick ?
Some may claims "quite good", some other "I can't send them to trash".
A quality score could be added to a used part. It would be used as well to set
the sell price, as trash-ready used parts can lower the infamous "average 6 months"
and lower ALL prices, which is very unfair for like new parts.
Any thoughts ?
|
I dunno, I notice most sellers don't even bother to describe their used parts
at all. So I find any description, even an opinion that may be slightly off from
mine, useful to me.
I've skipped sellers in the past due to no description (esp on expensive
instructions). Every junk part I've received has been on the cheaper end
with no description.
Anyway, I don't see a way to police this, honestly. Its too subjective. You
could have a rating system like ebay where you can rate the item "as described"
with up to 5 stars. However this means tons of sellers would now have to actually
take the time to describe their parts.
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| Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2019 11:00 | | Subject: | Re: New and Used: more shades of grey are needed | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I think that many sellers know how to properly describe their lego and to ensure
that "used" lego is not junk. Bite marks, discolouration, deep scratches, and
damage are not part of what "used" means. All of those can only pass as filler
and should be clearly described as such.
I believe the best assurance a buyer has that used parts will be of good quality
is to choose a seller with a significant amount of positive feedback.
Buyers can also help themselves by regularly informing sellers if used parts
do not meet the standards for listing.
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| Author: | edk | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2019 10:21 | | Subject: | Re: New and Used: more shades of grey are needed | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JusTiCe8 writes:
| | Hi,
as a buyer, I found having only two choices for parts condition is far too basic
and not useful, mostly for buyers, but also for sellers who seek accuracy and
honesty regarding their inventory.
I mean, for now a seller can only pick new or used, but pretty much everyone
has his/her own standard and I got some used parts which are like new, some others
which are closer to the one way ticket to trash, if you see what I mean .
It's not good nor practical to force seller to put actual picture(s) of all
the used parts, both hobbyist and professional has better use of their time I
guess.
Plus, asking for every single part before ordering is not good either, some sellers
didn't took time to reply to potential buyer's question already.
And when seller put description, it's quite subjective, one adjective is
far to describe actual shape of a part: "bite marks, yellowish", ok but how many
marks, how deep ?
how much "yellowished" is the brick ?
Some may claims "quite good", some other "I can't send them to trash".
A quality score could be added to a used part. It would be used as well to set
the sell price, as trash-ready used parts can lower the infamous "average 6 months"
and lower ALL prices, which is very unfair for like new parts.
Any thoughts ?
|
Depends on how much more $ buyers want to pay for used parts tp compensate for
the added time involved with listing,sorting,storing multiple conditions of the
same part.
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| Author: | brikomania | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2019 08:45 | | Subject: | Re: New and Used: more shades of grey are needed | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JusTiCe8 writes:
| | Hi,
as a buyer, I found having only two choices for parts condition is far too basic
and not useful, mostly for buyers, but also for sellers who seek accuracy and
honesty regarding their inventory.
I mean, for now a seller can only pick new or used, but pretty much everyone
has his/her own standard and I got some used parts which are like new, some others
which are closer to the one way ticket to trash, if you see what I mean .
It's not good nor practical to force seller to put actual picture(s) of all
the used parts, both hobbyist and professional has better use of their time I
guess.
Plus, asking for every single part before ordering is not good either, some sellers
didn't took time to reply to potential buyer's question already.
And when seller put description, it's quite subjective, one adjective is
far to describe actual shape of a part: "bite marks, yellowish", ok but how many
marks, how deep ?
how much "yellowished" is the brick ?
Some may claims "quite good", some other "I can't send them to trash".
A quality score could be added to a used part. It would be used as well to set
the sell price, as trash-ready used parts can lower the infamous "average 6 months"
and lower ALL prices, which is very unfair for like new parts.
Any thoughts ?
|
In another site, there are different used ratings, Used (like new), used (good),
used (acceptable). i think this is a good idea.
Of course any seller can lie, and list a chewed part as like new, but then they
also could list a used set as new sealed if they wish, feedback should reflect
that.
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| Author: | JusTiCe8 | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2019 08:21 | | Subject: | Re: New and Used: more shades of grey are needed | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Ya, nothing happen... I didn't even found similar suggestion, flooded among
other ignored suggestions.
In Suggestions, agulus writes:
[...]
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I agree wit you 100%. Last year I decided to sort used parts and
label them in 3 categories: 1) Like new 2) lightly used 3) visibly used
I also had 4th category "filler" for a while but I decided to remove it
because as you say it lowers the 6 months average.
I have to say that I got feedback from a couple buyers that they found
labeling condition of the used parts very helpful. And there was people
who were buying "fillers" also.
Every once a while someone write a suggestion post like yours,
but nothing happen
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