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 Author: Thunor View Messages Posted By Thunor
 Posted: Feb 19, 2019 16:25
 Subject: Re: We need a modern way to part out sets.
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Thunor (892)

Location:  USA, Tennessee
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Why not update imported BrickStock prices using the +% feature?

It would be useless to business users if it included tax, with all the different
tax rates globally it wouldn’t work for anyone.



In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, MidwestBrick writes:
  In Suggestions, HallBricks writes:
  The "Part Out" tool feels very outdated, and is tedious to use. One accidental
click on a link, and you loose every data you have put in for each lot.

I know there are third party software used to upload parts to your inventory,
but think a much more powerful way to part out set should be offered by BrickLink.
Maybe a software you download to your computer, but it could also just be a massive
redesign of the existing tool online.

What I miss the most is easier ways to manage lots that already exist in my inventory.
I don't want to open a new page just to check the remarks for a certain lot,
because if I forget to open that link in a new tab I will loose all progress
made with the other lots. This information should be visible on the same page,
or I should be able to open it in a pop-up window.

When parting out huge sets with thousands of pieces, it would also be nice to
be able to save the progress and continue later. Maybe there should be one upload
button for each lot, so I don't have to go through the entire list first
and then submit all changes at once.

There are of course lots of different features that could be implemented to make
the Part Out tool even more powerful, like more advanced ways to set up automatic
prices, like 10% below average etc.

Brickstock. Best $20 I spent. Super Easy. Do I wish it did more, of course,
but it does enough to satisfy me.

Yep, Brickstock is US oriented so it works for you, not for us Prices exclude
VAT, so it renders it useless to me. I'd rather go through the Bricklink
part out process, have it crash, throw away my progress with a misclick, and
some other frustrations than to end up with prices that are off. It sounds like
everyone has slightly different wishes about what they like to see exactly in
the update, but making the BL part out process have all the benefits of Brickstock
would probably be a great place to start. That way European sellers can benefit
from all the benefits of Brickstock as well.
 Author: HallBricks View Messages Posted By HallBricks
 Posted: Feb 19, 2019 16:02
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HallBricks (200)

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In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
  In Suggestions, HallBricks writes:
  […]
BrickLink seems to improve all buyers features. […]

Which ones?

Look at the “new” (3 year old) Wanted List features: We can’t merge WLs, we
can’t intersect WLs, we can’t manage our own inventory without becoming a seller….

Okay, you're probably right. I haven't used those features much at all,
I've just noticed that everything has been updated to the new design and
there are at least a couple new features that I didn't have when I first
used BrickLink many years ago.

There are certainly improvements that could be done to buyers features as well.
 Author: Bricklord View Messages Posted By Bricklord
 Posted: Feb 19, 2019 15:52
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Bricklord (10924)

Location:  Canada, Alberta
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I do not quite understand what all the griping is about concerning the Part Out
function. To me, it is one of the precious few parts of BL that the current Admin
regime has actually not made a mess of. It works quite well for me.
It is not tedious; I enter the set #, quantity and any default comments. I
always set it to add to existing current inventory if parts match, and go from
there. I simply use the same default message, unless there is a rare case where
I need to differentiate a lot. For those I almost always upload manually.
There are far more pressing deficiencies that need to be rectified on this
site.
My 2 cents.


In Suggestions, HallBricks writes:
  The "Part Out" tool feels very outdated, and is tedious to use. One accidental
click on a link, and you loose every data you have put in for each lot.

I know there are third party software used to upload parts to your inventory,
but think a much more powerful way to part out set should be offered by BrickLink.
Maybe a software you download to your computer, but it could also just be a massive
redesign of the existing tool online.

What I miss the most is easier ways to manage lots that already exist in my inventory.
I don't want to open a new page just to check the remarks for a certain lot,
because if I forget to open that link in a new tab I will loose all progress
made with the other lots. This information should be visible on the same page,
or I should be able to open it in a pop-up window.

When parting out huge sets with thousands of pieces, it would also be nice to
be able to save the progress and continue later. Maybe there should be one upload
button for each lot, so I don't have to go through the entire list first
and then submit all changes at once.

There are of course lots of different features that could be implemented to make
the Part Out tool even more powerful, like more advanced ways to set up automatic
prices, like 10% below average etc.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Feb 19, 2019 15:09
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SylvainLS (26)

Location:  France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
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In Suggestions, HallBricks writes:
  […]
BrickLink seems to improve all buyers features. […]

Which ones?

Look at the “new” (3 year old) Wanted List features: We can’t merge WLs, we
can’t intersect WLs, we can’t manage our own inventory without becoming a seller….
 Author: HallBricks View Messages Posted By HallBricks
 Posted: Feb 19, 2019 14:41
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Location:  Sweden, Västra Götaland
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In Suggestions, DallasBricks writes:
  Bricklink as a whole has not left the hobby status. Although there are many
sellers that are business minded in their processes, scale, and earnings, they
are left using outdated hobby like business practices.

The parting out process is a dinosaur. It is fraught with failure potholes that
can cause you to loose a lot of work in an instant. It is difficult to update
and maintain your inventory. The whole alternate mold/part thing is still a
mess. It is very easy to screw up your inventory using BL tools or the ones
that try to interface with BL.

I don't see these things changing in the future. Bricklink made it clear
that the site would have a few changes but would not be updated to a professional
level. A few features that nobody wanted were added, (Moc shop, Brick arms,
Stud.io)
The payment and shipping side are still limping along after over 3 years of attempted
updates.

Bricklink is more trouble than it is worth for many sellers. I stopped selling
parts several years ago and am glad I did so. Now I have a huge inventory to
build with.

Oh, and don't get me started on the wanted list thing. It is improved, but
there are so many improvements that could be made. Large projects are incredibly
complicated and require spreadsheets, tools, and lots of time and effort. Bricklink
offers little in the way of effective tools.

But I'm still here buying and such.

David

Exactly! BrickLink seems to seek new ways to expand their business, but they
should focus on improving their fundamental service. There is of course more
buyers than sellers on the platform, and BrickLink seems to improve all buyers
features. However, without any sellers there can't be any buyers, so they
should really take care of those tools as well.
 Author: HallBricks View Messages Posted By HallBricks
 Posted: Feb 19, 2019 13:56
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Location:  Sweden, Västra Götaland
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Store: HallBricks
In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  YOu are of course right - that feature needs re-thinking. Having said that I
am not yet convinced leaving it in the hands of the developers, without a proper
specification will gie us what we want/need. It would be absolutely brilliant
if they come to the members and ask for input - then produce a spec for review
and then once agreed - write the code. Not really going to happen is it. No work
is currently being done on the classic site whilst all efforts are directed to
the next great marvel Bricklink xp and then, according to Admin_russell sellers
tools are next, whatever that means. As we have been waiting since 2013 for some
indication as to what that will be and the only message which evens mentions
features was that from Admin suggesting that B2B should be part of sellers tools
????? I wonder who asked for that and what does it mean?

People who run stores both new and old know what they need far better than those
who have not run a store. They should be asked what is needed and as I mentioned
in the first paragraph given a significant say in what is developed. Not goint
to happen, I am sure but one could hope.

For starters we ned as a minimum the following:

1. Inventory management
1. Sales Metrics/dashboard
3. Access to Google Analytics information for no of visitors etc
4. More printing capabilities (parameter/choice driven
5. More options using Query by Form
6. A totally revamped MY Inventory page
7. A proper part-out log (not the current one)
8. Redesign of the part out feature
9. Redesign of the add inventory page
10. Proper backup capabilities
11. Re-visit downloads and make them compatible with modern tools

And that list could go on for days

Sorry to kind of hi-jack your thread.

I totally agree, everything you mention and more should be implemented
 Author: HallBricks View Messages Posted By HallBricks
 Posted: Feb 19, 2019 13:55
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Location:  Sweden, Västra Götaland
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In Suggestions, MidwestBrick writes:
  Brickstock. Best $20 I spent. Super Easy. Do I wish it did more, of course,
but it does enough to satisfy me.

Yes I know Brickstock is a popular tool, but I still think all those features
and more should be offered by BrickLink themselves.
 Author: Brickwilbo View Messages Posted By Brickwilbo
 Posted: Feb 19, 2019 06:51
 Subject: Re: multiple orders with the same shop
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Brickwilbo (1440)

Location:  Netherlands, Gelderland
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In Suggestions, NelisSolis writes:
  In Suggestions, AlphonsR writes:
  When I want to place multiple orders with the same shop, the site adds the second
order to the first order. So the bill from the first order is on its way, and
the second bill is not just for the second order, but it automaticaly includes
the firtst order as well.
While I want to have them seperate. Is there a way to avoid this?
Rommelse

I think a new order is automatically added to an existing order if the first
order is not marked “paid” by the buyer or marked as “packed” or “ shipped” by
the seller.

If a seller has Instant Checkout enabled and you use an on-site payment method,
you can sort of avoid the merging of the orders.

Correct. Just pay the final invoice.
 Author: NelisSolis View Messages Posted By NelisSolis
 Posted: Feb 19, 2019 05:45
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NelisSolis (2104)

Location:  Netherlands, Zuid-Holland
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In Suggestions, AlphonsR writes:
  When I want to place multiple orders with the same shop, the site adds the second
order to the first order. So the bill from the first order is on its way, and
the second bill is not just for the second order, but it automaticaly includes
the firtst order as well.
While I want to have them seperate. Is there a way to avoid this?
Rommelse

I think a new order is automatically added to an existing order if the first
order is not marked “paid” by the buyer or marked as “packed” or “ shipped” by
the seller.

If a seller has Instant Checkout enabled and you use an on-site payment method,
you can sort of avoid the merging of the orders.
 Author: AlphonsR View Messages Posted By AlphonsR
 Posted: Feb 19, 2019 05:40
 Subject: Fix function
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Location:  Netherlands, Noord-Holland
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When I want to order a batch of lego with the suggested combination of shops,
I can add the parts. But when the word FIX appears it does not show what needs
to be fixed, it does not show where the problem is. It shows with which seller
the problem is, but not with which item. If I order 200 items, I can not help
the problem if I do not now which item it concerns. When it recognizes that there
is a problem, it would be nice to see what the problem is so I can fix it and
continue my order.
Rommelse
 Author: AlphonsR View Messages Posted By AlphonsR
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When I want to place multiple orders with the same shop, the site adds the second
order to the first order. So the bill from the first order is on its way, and
the second bill is not just for the second order, but it automaticaly includes
the firtst order as well.
While I want to have them seperate. Is there a way to avoid this?
Rommelse
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Feb 18, 2019 05:22
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In Suggestions, agulus writes:
  I would like to suggest creating
Original Box Entry for Games in Gear.
The same way it is in sets.

I have some boxes and I see other people
selling boxes only as incomplete gear
and it decreases 6 months average.

It has been asked a number of times in the past, I think the reason is that anything
in "gear" is defined as not have packaging.

Also gear cannot be incomplete which is why you have to make sure you exclude
these when thinking about value.


Another good use for the boxes is for posting large numbers of baseplates.
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+1 The games boxes are really useful for parts storage so I often pick them
up

In Suggestions, agulus writes:
  I would like to suggest creating
Original Box Entry for Games in Gear.
The same way it is in sets.

I have some boxes and I see other people
selling boxes only as incomplete gear
and it decreases 6 months average.
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 Posted: Feb 17, 2019 19:32
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I would like to suggest creating
Original Box Entry for Games in Gear.
The same way it is in sets.

I have some boxes and I see other people
selling boxes only as incomplete gear
and it decreases 6 months average.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
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Teup (3968)

Location:  Netherlands, Utrecht
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In Suggestions, MidwestBrick writes:
  In Suggestions, HallBricks writes:
  The "Part Out" tool feels very outdated, and is tedious to use. One accidental
click on a link, and you loose every data you have put in for each lot.

I know there are third party software used to upload parts to your inventory,
but think a much more powerful way to part out set should be offered by BrickLink.
Maybe a software you download to your computer, but it could also just be a massive
redesign of the existing tool online.

What I miss the most is easier ways to manage lots that already exist in my inventory.
I don't want to open a new page just to check the remarks for a certain lot,
because if I forget to open that link in a new tab I will loose all progress
made with the other lots. This information should be visible on the same page,
or I should be able to open it in a pop-up window.

When parting out huge sets with thousands of pieces, it would also be nice to
be able to save the progress and continue later. Maybe there should be one upload
button for each lot, so I don't have to go through the entire list first
and then submit all changes at once.

There are of course lots of different features that could be implemented to make
the Part Out tool even more powerful, like more advanced ways to set up automatic
prices, like 10% below average etc.

Brickstock. Best $20 I spent. Super Easy. Do I wish it did more, of course,
but it does enough to satisfy me.

Yep, Brickstock is US oriented so it works for you, not for us Prices exclude
VAT, so it renders it useless to me. I'd rather go through the Bricklink
part out process, have it crash, throw away my progress with a misclick, and
some other frustrations than to end up with prices that are off. It sounds like
everyone has slightly different wishes about what they like to see exactly in
the update, but making the BL part out process have all the benefits of Brickstock
would probably be a great place to start. That way European sellers can benefit
from all the benefits of Brickstock as well.
 Author: Brickwilbo View Messages Posted By Brickwilbo
 Posted: Feb 17, 2019 03:31
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In Suggestions, JulieK writes:
  Please put it back.
It was the perfect word to describe where it took users.

Voted yes
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 Posted: Feb 16, 2019 20:10
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In Suggestions, HallBricks writes:

  When parting out huge sets with thousands of pieces, it would also be nice to
be able to save the progress and continue later. Maybe there should be one upload
button for each lot, so I don't have to go through the entire list first
and then submit all changes at once.



I can deal with everything else. But this is something I'd really like to
have.
 Author: MidwestBrick View Messages Posted By MidwestBrick
 Posted: Feb 16, 2019 19:12
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In Suggestions, HallBricks writes:
  The "Part Out" tool feels very outdated, and is tedious to use. One accidental
click on a link, and you loose every data you have put in for each lot.

I know there are third party software used to upload parts to your inventory,
but think a much more powerful way to part out set should be offered by BrickLink.
Maybe a software you download to your computer, but it could also just be a massive
redesign of the existing tool online.

What I miss the most is easier ways to manage lots that already exist in my inventory.
I don't want to open a new page just to check the remarks for a certain lot,
because if I forget to open that link in a new tab I will loose all progress
made with the other lots. This information should be visible on the same page,
or I should be able to open it in a pop-up window.

When parting out huge sets with thousands of pieces, it would also be nice to
be able to save the progress and continue later. Maybe there should be one upload
button for each lot, so I don't have to go through the entire list first
and then submit all changes at once.

There are of course lots of different features that could be implemented to make
the Part Out tool even more powerful, like more advanced ways to set up automatic
prices, like 10% below average etc.

Brickstock. Best $20 I spent. Super Easy. Do I wish it did more, of course,
but it does enough to satisfy me.
 Author: ToriHada View Messages Posted By ToriHada
 Posted: Feb 16, 2019 19:03
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In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, ToriHada writes:
  In Suggestions, HallBricks writes:
  

...

  There are of course lots of different features that could be implemented to make
the Part Out tool even more powerful, like more advanced ways to set up automatic
prices, like 10% below average etc.


When I was selling here I was very strongly opposed to the idea of automating
pricing to undercut the Price Guide Average. My thinking then was that nothing
would increase downward pressure on prices or accelerate the "race to the bottom"
some sellers here engage in more than giving them a way to automatically, easily,
quickly and repeatedly price thousands and thousands of lots BELOW the Price
Guide Average. The tedious manual process was one significant check that reduced
the downward pressure on prices.

But since I am very unlikely to ever sell here again, and quite likely to resume
buying at some point, I would LOVE to see a feature that helps to reduce prices
even more. So I would vote yes if this were a formal suggestion.

Foster

Agreed. Actually, the system as it is is already working in your favour as a
buyer - thee part out system being so poorly designed and unstable drives alot
of sellers to use Brickstock. Brickstock retrieves prices WITHOUT VAT - which
means that for all European sellers, it retrieves prices that are significantly
lower than what you get parting out on the Bricklink website. The result is sellers
underpricing without being aware of it, fuelling the global race to the bottom.

Maybe, maybe not. There are a lot of sellers in that bottom end of the market
that make up prices with fees and charges. You cannot compare prices in the price
guide without factoring fees etc. If the average is 10c and the minimum price
is 7c, if one seller sells at 10c with no fees, he is no different to the seller
at the bottom at 7c with charges and fees that knocks the price back over 11c.

I had me one like that just last week: no fees on the terms page when I got the
invoice, fees and charges excluding shipping were 40% of the order value, knocking
all of the individual prices that seller was asking on those parts from the bottom
5% to way over the average price.

When you actually spend some time really looking at those prices, virtually all
of them are exclusive of fees and charges - meaning the price guide is actually
just false advertising since hardly any of those sellers are actually prepared
to sell at the price they have listed at. And those are just the ones that are
honest enough to tell you upfront about extra fees, there are still a large volume
of sellers who charge those fees included in the shipping charge, sometimes an
extra 50% over and above the actual shipping charge. They are very very aware
of where they are pricing, and it has nothing to do with a race to the bottom,
but everything to do with luring unwary buyers.


What you say is true in many cases. But experienced buyers (such as myself)
will always read the seller's terms and feedback, thereby eliminating most
of the surprise and problems with extra fees. My point remains that having an
easy automated feature for many sellers to quickly list thousands of lots for
a certain percentage BELOW the Price Guide Average WILL put even more downward
pressure on prices and the Price Guide. Good for buyers; not so good for sellers.
So sellers... be careful what you wish for.

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In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, ToriHada writes:
  In Suggestions, HallBricks writes:
  

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  There are of course lots of different features that could be implemented to make
the Part Out tool even more powerful, like more advanced ways to set up automatic
prices, like 10% below average etc.


When I was selling here I was very strongly opposed to the idea of automating
pricing to undercut the Price Guide Average. My thinking then was that nothing
would increase downward pressure on prices or accelerate the "race to the bottom"
some sellers here engage in more than giving them a way to automatically, easily,
quickly and repeatedly price thousands and thousands of lots BELOW the Price
Guide Average. The tedious manual process was one significant check that reduced
the downward pressure on prices.

But since I am very unlikely to ever sell here again, and quite likely to resume
buying at some point, I would LOVE to see a feature that helps to reduce prices
even more. So I would vote yes if this were a formal suggestion.

Foster

Agreed. Actually, the system as it is is already working in your favour as a
buyer - thee part out system being so poorly designed and unstable drives alot
of sellers to use Brickstock. Brickstock retrieves prices WITHOUT VAT - which
means that for all European sellers, it retrieves prices that are significantly
lower than what you get parting out on the Bricklink website. The result is sellers
underpricing without being aware of it, fuelling the global race to the bottom.

Maybe, maybe not. There are a lot of sellers in that bottom end of the market
that make up prices with fees and charges. You cannot compare prices in the price
guide without factoring fees etc. If the average is 10c and the minimum price
is 7c, if one seller sells at 10c with no fees, he is no different to the seller
at the bottom at 7c with charges and fees that knocks the price back over 11c.

I had me one like that just last week: no fees on the terms page when I got the
invoice, fees and charges excluding shipping were 40% of the order value, knocking
all of the individual prices that seller was asking on those parts from the bottom
5% to way over the average price.

When you actually spend some time really looking at those prices, virtually all
of them are exclusive of fees and charges - meaning the price guide is actually
just false advertising since hardly any of those sellers are actually prepared
to sell at the price they have listed at. And those are just the ones that are
honest enough to tell you upfront about extra fees, there are still a large volume
of sellers who charge those fees included in the shipping charge, sometimes an
extra 50% over and above the actual shipping charge. They are very very aware
of where they are pricing, and it has nothing to do with a race to the bottom,
but everything to do with luring unwary buyers.

You're right, that issue of fees not being represented in search listings,
enabling sellers to pretend they are cheap, must be one of the factors in the
race to the bottom as well. Which factors are the biggest is hard to tell. But
what I find particularly worrying about Brickstock, is that any other factor
- like pretending to be cheap and then charging fees - is compounded and
amplified with the fact that Brickstock retrieves lower than average prices to
begin with, and presents them as average. So someone who already plans to undercut
is given a price guide figure that is already below average but presented to
them as "average", and the seller then undercuts on that, to push it down even
further.

And: it is a loop. Let's say I am the only seller of a €10 item and I update
my price to "stay average" many times. What happens? It just drops down and down.
The first time I list it at €10. Next I ask Brickstock what the average price
is. Brickstock, ignoring VAT, says it's €8. I say "OK, let's go with
that". Retrieve the price again. Now Brickstock, again ignoring VAT, says it's
now €6.50. You can see the downward spiral here. Imagine what happens if all
European sellers update their prices with Brickstock on a regular basis.. (I
get that they adjust to their liking, but if you start off modifying taking an
ever dropping price as the starting point, on the whole prices just drop and
drop)

(I know I'm a bit of a broken record on this topic, but I can't emphasize
it enough. And I did write the author about it. Hopefully he will act soon, or
I am going to remain a broken record for a while..)

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