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 Author: grimsbricksuk View Messages Posted By grimsbricksuk
 Posted: Dec 7, 2018 10:35
 Subject: Re: Minifig for Black VIP gift
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In the UK they’re issuing a redeemable code via email to be used on an online
only purchase.

In Catalog, superchicken77 writes:
  I don't see that promotion and I bought mine in Dec of last year. Is there
some special way of unlocking it?


In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
  What are people’s thoughts on the minifig that comes with the black VIP card
display promo set being offered from today, would it be classed as a SW minifig
or something else?
 Author: superchicken77 View Messages Posted By superchicken77
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I don't see that promotion and I bought mine in Dec of last year. Is there
some special way of unlocking it?


In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
  What are people’s thoughts on the minifig that comes with the black VIP card
display promo set being offered from today, would it be classed as a SW minifig
or something else?
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
  What are people’s thoughts on the minifig that comes with the black VIP card
display promo set being offered from today, would it be classed as a SW minifig
or something else?

Maybe "Star Wars Other" like Yoda NY I heart and all the dressed-up Xmas characters.
 Author: grimsbricksuk View Messages Posted By grimsbricksuk
 Posted: Dec 7, 2018 09:30
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What are people’s thoughts on the minifig that comes with the black VIP card
display promo set being offered from today, would it be classed as a SW minifig
or something else?
 Author: irregular View Messages Posted By irregular
 Posted: Dec 6, 2018 13:09
 Subject: 8862 Backhoe version 1 and 2 and Bricklink
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Hello,
I remember having the 8862 Backhoe version 1 when I was young and I still have
a couple of yellow top pneumatics. I rebuilt this old set with black top pneumatics
which would make it version 2, with instructions. That being said, I have been
unable to find an entry for the old version which is slightly different to the
one on Bricklink, it turns out the manuals were different (when adding electronic
motors).

My questions are:

Does Bricklink have versions of sets that would make the 8862 entry more correct?
It is currently a mix of old and new.

Does anyone have a 8862 Backhoe PDF instructions of the old version 1 that I
can have or buy? The usual websites only have version 2 but I want to have the
older one.

Thank you.
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: Dec 6, 2018 13:00
 Subject: Re: What is the purpose of this listing?
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In Catalog, littlepb writes:
  
 
Part No: 6626  Name: Obscure 50,000th BrickLink Catalog Item
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6626 Obscure 50,000th BrickLink Catalog Item
Parts: (Other)

Does anyone know what this piece is and what it does?
Thanks!
LittlePlasticBrick

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1113058
 Author: littlepb View Messages Posted By littlepb
 Posted: Dec 6, 2018 12:55
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Part No: 6626  Name: Obscure 50,000th BrickLink Catalog Item
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6626 Obscure 50,000th BrickLink Catalog Item
Parts: (Other)

Does anyone know what this piece is and what it does?
Thanks!
LittlePlasticBrick
 Author: jagaboo View Messages Posted By jagaboo
 Posted: Dec 5, 2018 14:21
 Subject: Re: Part #30027u - Wheel 8mm D. x 9mm (for Slicks
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Never mind!!! I figured it out...SORRY!!

In Catalog, jagaboo writes:
  Notice the image of Part 30027u, showing 3 views of the part. The bottom view
of it doesn’t have any notches. All my 30027u’s look like this...no notches.
Looking at the photo of all the other similar parts, all versions are notched.
Shouldn't 30027u remain or be given a different part number?
 Author: jagaboo View Messages Posted By jagaboo
 Posted: Dec 5, 2018 14:17
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Notice the image of Part 30027u, showing 3 views of the part. The bottom view
of it doesn’t have any notches. All my 30027u’s look like this...no notches.
Looking at the photo of all the other similar parts, all versions are notched.
Shouldn't 30027u remain or be given a different part number?
 


 Author: littlepb View Messages Posted By littlepb
 Posted: Dec 5, 2018 11:34
 Subject: Re: 60592c01 - whos idea was this?
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In Catalog, mhortar writes:
  In Catalog, brox999 writes:
  In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, brox999 writes:
  […]
[3930c01] is in many new sets

Not.
The hinge brick and the hinge plate always came separated.


  and I need
the ability to add this part to my store inventory in a new state […]

This assembly can’t be New: you have assembled the parts yourself, that’s the
definition of Used.

Rubbish, putting two brand new, unused parts together does not make them used.
I list the assembly as new if the parts came from a sealed set

You assembled the parts. That's literally the definition of what makes them
used (previously assembled). You can't build a set and then sell it as 'new,
only assembled once'. There was a big argument a few years ago about whether
stacking bricks/plates at the Pick-A-Brick wall made them 'used' instead
of 'new' (my opinion is yes). There's also the argument that minifigs
can't be sold as 'new' if they are assembled (I'm on the fence
about this one).

Josh

Josh

I personally think that assembled hinges can be marked as new because they have
not been taken apart and if a buyer wants separated parts, they can order them
separately. Maybe there should be an option for marking the condition of inventories
as "new but assembled".
 Author: littlepb View Messages Posted By littlepb
 Posted: Dec 5, 2018 11:12
 Subject: Re: Large Macaroni tile in classic blue?
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In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  In General, celloguy writes:
  So on the page for this part someone had photographed a macaroni tile in classic
blue which isn’t in any set. Is it coming out soon? If not, maybe it should be
removed? I really want one of these bug assume it’s a prototype for the time
being?

https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=27507&name=Tile,%20Round%20Corner%204%20x%204%20Macaroni%20Wide&category=%5BTile,%20Round%5D#T=C

Isn't this part on real photo there just dark azure, but it's look like
this due to lighting condition of photo?

I think that that's what it is
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Dec 5, 2018 09:19
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  It has been sometime I am thinking about this one:
Does opening the screws (located on the top) and removing the motor housing in
order to check the production date make this old motors used? (these motors were
not sealed in any way, so opening the motor is very easy: one only need to open
the screws)
 
Part No: x469b  Name: Electric, Motor 4.5V Type C 12 x 4 x 3 1/3 (Train)
* 
x469b (Inv) Electric, Motor 4.5V Type C 12 x 4 x 3 1/3 (Train)
Parts: Electric, Motor

I'd say used, as there is the possibility of damage when opening it. Of course,
you could test it by applynig power to it, but that makes it used. There will
also be minor wear on the screws, just like clicking two bricks together and
unclicking them causes wear and makes them used.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Dec 5, 2018 09:17
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  You assembled the parts. That's literally the definition of what makes them
used (previously assembled). You can't build a set and then sell it as 'new,
only assembled once'. There was a big argument a few years ago about whether
stacking bricks/plates at the Pick-A-Brick wall made them 'used' instead
of 'new' (my opinion is yes). There's also the argument that minifigs
can't be sold as 'new' if they are assembled (I'm on the fence
about this one).

Just to correct that, the argument about minifigures is can a seller assemble
them and still call them new. There is no argument about can a minifigure be
new if it is assembled - the answer is clearly yes, as in some cases LEGO sells
assembled minifigures and by definition those assembled minifigures can be new
as that is how they were sold.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Dec 5, 2018 07:26
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In Catalog, SezaR writes:
  […]
It has been sometime I am thinking about this one:
Does opening the screws (located on the top) and removing the motor housing in
order to check the production date make this old motors used? (these motors were
not sealed in any way, so opening the motor is very easy: one only need to open
the screws)
 
Part No: x469b  Name: Electric, Motor 4.5V Type C 12 x 4 x 3 1/3 (Train)
* 
x469b (Inv) Electric, Motor 4.5V Type C 12 x 4 x 3 1/3 (Train)
Parts: Electric, Motor

Well, the definition says New should have been manipulated for sorting only.
Opening isn’t sorting… unless you sort by production date

Now, it’s about screws, not clicking plastic parts, so it’s less “Used” than,
say, removing arms from a torso, but some may see it as “Used” nonetheless.
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: Dec 5, 2018 04:50
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In General, celloguy writes:
  So on the page for this part someone had photographed a macaroni tile in classic
blue which isn’t in any set. Is it coming out soon? If not, maybe it should be
removed? I really want one of these bug assume it’s a prototype for the time
being?

https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=27507&name=Tile,%20Round%20Corner%204%20x%204%20Macaroni%20Wide&category=%5BTile,%20Round%5D#T=C

Isn't this part on real photo there just dark azure, but it's look like
this due to lighting condition of photo?
 Author: celloguy View Messages Posted By celloguy
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So on the page for this part someone had photographed a macaroni tile in classic
blue which isn’t in any set. Is it coming out soon? If not, maybe it should be
removed? I really want one of these bug assume it’s a prototype for the time
being?

https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=27507&name=Tile,%20Round%20Corner%204%20x%204%20Macaroni%20Wide&category=%5BTile,%20Round%5D#T=C
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Dec 5, 2018 00:17
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, brox999 writes:
  […]
[3930c01] is in many new sets

Not.
The hinge brick and the hinge plate always came separated.


  and I need
the ability to add this part to my store inventory in a new state […]

This assembly can’t be New: you have assembled the parts yourself, that’s the
definition of Used.

It has been sometime I am thinking about this one:
Does opening the screws (located on the top) and removing the motor housing in
order to check the production date make this old motors used? (these motors were
not sealed in any way, so opening the motor is very easy: one only need to open
the screws)
 
Part No: x469b  Name: Electric, Motor 4.5V Type C 12 x 4 x 3 1/3 (Train)
* 
x469b (Inv) Electric, Motor 4.5V Type C 12 x 4 x 3 1/3 (Train)
Parts: Electric, Motor
 Author: mhortar View Messages Posted By mhortar
 Posted: Dec 5, 2018 00:04
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In Catalog, brox999 writes:
  In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, brox999 writes:
  […]
[3930c01] is in many new sets

Not.
The hinge brick and the hinge plate always came separated.


  and I need
the ability to add this part to my store inventory in a new state […]

This assembly can’t be New: you have assembled the parts yourself, that’s the
definition of Used.

Rubbish, putting two brand new, unused parts together does not make them used.
I list the assembly as new if the parts came from a sealed set

You assembled the parts. That's literally the definition of what makes them
used (previously assembled). You can't build a set and then sell it as 'new,
only assembled once'. There was a big argument a few years ago about whether
stacking bricks/plates at the Pick-A-Brick wall made them 'used' instead
of 'new' (my opinion is yes). There's also the argument that minifigs
can't be sold as 'new' if they are assembled (I'm on the fence
about this one).

Josh

Josh
 Author: brox999 View Messages Posted By brox999
 Posted: Dec 4, 2018 22:31
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, brox999 writes:
  […]
[3930c01] is in many new sets

Not.
The hinge brick and the hinge plate always came separated.


  and I need
the ability to add this part to my store inventory in a new state […]

This assembly can’t be New: you have assembled the parts yourself, that’s the
definition of Used.

Rubbish, putting two brand new, unused parts together does not make them used.
I list the assembly as new if the parts came from a sealed set
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Dec 4, 2018 21:21
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In General, StormChaser writes:
  I am absolutely going to need help with these definitions

I'll do:

2nd Section: F, G, H, I, J


This only leaves the 4th and 5th sections which still need to be worked on.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Dec 4, 2018 18:12
 Subject: Re: 40292 minifig error
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  However, when it comes to adding minifigures to the catalog, the guidelines are
clear and were followed: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2477

I need to make it clear that these are not official guidelines. I have been
working on a project to rework the catalog Help Center and the page linked to
above is a proposed page which is not yet complete or official.

The current catalog guidelines still in effect are only those on the left
side of this page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?topicID=21

The sections on the right side of the page are proposals and are works in progress.

My bad, Robert. I forgot that those sections were the "work in progress" ones.

The section that I was referencing about minifigures being added to the catalog
in your new version contains the same basic information as the old version but
worded in a much friendlier way. Therefore, everything that I posted is not
affected by which version someone references.

The page I should have referred to was https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=71

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Dec 4, 2018 18:04
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  Well, I actually agree with yorbrick the "boy" should be added to the catalog.
I understand the Bricklink catalog follows the instructions and that is a good
and smart choice, but how far will we go? When I saw the set my first thought
was like "only a girl? oh wait a sec, there's the boy hair" and the box literally
has the boy on the side of the box. To me the hair seems off on the dad and he's
not shown that way either. Nor is it logical that a minifig has an extra piece
to make a marginally different minifig with no different meaning. The torso of
the child is clearly unisex (if not boyish) so in my opinion everything points
to the hairpiece being intended for the child.

If so, it begs the question if we really want to stick 100% to the instructions
in every case. I think at least adding minfigs that are shown on the box as alternates
is not such a stretch.

I think you are not asking for what we ultimately want, perhaps because you are
aware that it is as far as we can get without the programmers getting involved.
What we ultimately want is to be able to put alternates into minifig inventories.

There are quite a LOT of minifigs the last few years that come with a hair and
a hat, usually pictured somewhere with each. I think it would clutter things
up a lot. Look at [s-60134-1] and
 
Set No: 60153  Name: People pack - Fun at the beach
* 
60153-1 (Inv) People pack - Fun at the beach
104 Parts, 15 Minifigures, 2017
Sets: Town: City: Recreation
. They have a certain way they
are designed to go, but the instructions show some pictures of them all mixed
and matched, legs, torsos, heads and hair. They each have 15 minifigs. How
many variants does that inventory need to have in it?
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  However, when it comes to adding minifigures to the catalog, the guidelines are
clear and were followed: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2477

I need to make it clear that these are not official guidelines. I have been
working on a project to rework the catalog Help Center and the page linked to
above is a proposed page which is not yet complete or official.

The current catalog guidelines still in effect are only those on the left
side of this page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?topicID=21

The sections on the right side of the page are proposals and are works in progress.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Dec 4, 2018 13:28
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In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  Nor is it logical that a minifig has an extra piece
to make a marginally different minifig with no different meaning.

 
Set No: 40197  Name: Wedding Favor Set 2018
* 
40197-1 (Inv) Wedding Favor Set 2018
124 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2018
Sets: Holiday & Event: Wedding

And that is what we refer to as the "slippery slope".

Randy
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  Well, I actually agree with yorbrick the "boy" should be added to the catalog.

Your opinion has been noted and future admin teams may decide to go in that direction.
However, the current admin team on both the catalog and inventory sides had discussions
and agreed on how to proceed in this situation. I do not see that changing for
the foreseeable future.

  I understand the Bricklink catalog follows the instructions and that is a good
and smart choice, but how far will we go?

There are a few other situations like this that I know of from my personal collection.
In all of those cases, the current guidelines that are in place were followed
in the catalog and subsequently the inventories. So, for now, it makes sense
to keep things consistent with the guidelines to keep the catalog consistent.

  To me the hair seems off on the dad and he's not shown that way either.

First of all, you are assuming that it is a dad, but I do to. What is not an
assumption is that he *is* shown that way in one version of the instructions:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1117220

  Nor is it logical that a minifig has an extra piece to make a marginally different
minifig with no different meaning.

Since when was LEGO logical? They already had *two* attempts at this, and
according to you, they screwed up on both of them. Who are we to say that it
is not the way they intended it? Third time's a charm?

  The torso of the child is clearly unisex (if not boyish)

If the torso is *clearly* unisex, then how could it be "boyish"?

  so in my opinion everything points to the hairpiece being intended for the child.

If so, it begs the question if we really want to stick 100% to the instructions
in every case.

As I stated above, at least for the foreseeable future, the answer is "yes".
If Robert, Ronald and Maggie want to add this topic to the Catalog Roadmap, then
I don't see why it could not be considered. I would not expect it to have
any sort of large priority, though.

Thanks for your comments,
Randy
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  Nor is it logical that a minifig has an extra piece
to make a marginally different minifig with no different meaning.

 
Set No: 40197  Name: Wedding Favor Set 2018
* 
40197-1 (Inv) Wedding Favor Set 2018
124 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2018
Sets: Holiday & Event: Wedding
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  Although they cannot sell it as a boy as depicted on the box, unless listed as
a custom minifig. No doubt in time people will wonder which minifigure they have
and not be able to match up the boy version with a minifigure in the catalogue.

Many questions come up in the forum to identify minifigures that have the wrong
hands, the wrong arms, the wrong legs, the wrong head, the wrong hair, etc. Such
is the nature of LEGO parts; they get played with and mixed up all the time.
Sellers are free to sell those minifigures as "customs", but it behooves them
to find a closely related minifigure in the catalog to sell under and either
sell it as incomplete or fix the minifigure they have to match the one in the
catalog. I don't see this scenario as being any different to that.

However, when it comes to adding minifigures to the catalog, the guidelines are
clear and were followed: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2477

If they weren't followed, we would have the inevitable question, "Why was
this boy minifigure added to the catalog when it clearly isn't shown in the
instructions?"

Cheers,
Randy

Well, I actually agree with yorbrick the "boy" should be added to the catalog.
I understand the Bricklink catalog follows the instructions and that is a good
and smart choice, but how far will we go? When I saw the set my first thought
was like "only a girl? oh wait a sec, there's the boy hair" and the box literally
has the boy on the side of the box. To me the hair seems off on the dad and he's
not shown that way either. Nor is it logical that a minifig has an extra piece
to make a marginally different minifig with no different meaning. The torso of
the child is clearly unisex (if not boyish) so in my opinion everything points
to the hairpiece being intended for the child.

If so, it begs the question if we really want to stick 100% to the instructions
in every case. I think at least adding minfigs that are shown on the box as alternates
is not such a stretch.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  Although they cannot sell it as a boy as depicted on the box, unless listed as
a custom minifig. No doubt in time people will wonder which minifigure they have
and not be able to match up the boy version with a minifigure in the catalogue.

Many questions come up in the forum to identify minifigures that have the wrong
hands, the wrong arms, the wrong legs, the wrong head, the wrong hair, etc. Such
is the nature of LEGO parts; they get played with and mixed up all the time.
Sellers are free to sell those minifigures as "customs", but it behooves them
to find a closely related minifigure in the catalog to sell under and either
sell it as incomplete or fix the minifigure they have to match the one in the
catalog. I don't see this scenario as being any different to that.

However, when it comes to adding minifigures to the catalog, the guidelines are
clear and were followed: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2477

If they weren't followed, we would have the inevitable question, "Why was
this boy minifigure added to the catalog when it clearly isn't shown in the
instructions?"

Cheers,
Randy
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  And anyone can change the interpretation (and minifigs) to better represent their
own situation.

Although they cannot sell it as a boy as depicted on the box, unless listed as
a custom minifig. No doubt in time people will wonder which minifigure they have
and not be able to match up the boy version with a minifigure in the catalogue.
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  […]
Haha that's crazy, seems the person making the instructions made the mistake.
I guess Bricklink follows the instructions and not the box, so probably it should
stay like this then... Although unless dad has a job as a hairdresser or fashion
designer I do think he looks a bit off with that kids/teenage haircut

Well, we’re assuming it’s a “dad”. It could be a “big brother” or a “young uncle”
too

And anyone can change the interpretation (and minifigs) to better represent their
own situation.

I guess if dad really is a hairdresser or fashion designer, the girl's hair
could be even better
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  […]
Haha that's crazy, seems the person making the instructions made the mistake.
I guess Bricklink follows the instructions and not the box, so probably it should
stay like this then... Although unless dad has a job as a hairdresser or fashion
designer I do think he looks a bit off with that kids/teenage haircut

Well, we’re assuming it’s a “dad”. It could be a “big brother” or a “young uncle”
too

And anyone can change the interpretation (and minifigs) to better represent their
own situation.
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  
 
Set No: 40292  Name: Christmas Gift Box
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40292-1 (Inv) Christmas Gift Box
293 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2018
Sets: Holiday & Event: Christmas

LOL, so the Christmas giftset 40292 has a male and a female hairpiece so that
the child can be a boy or a girl (and they're both on the box). But someone
uploaded a picture where the alternate hair is put on the DAD's head, kind
of making it a dad's hairdo optionality feature

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=40292-1

Actually, it IS a “dad’s hairdo optionality feature”: there are two versions
of the instructions and each one uses different hair for the dad.
See https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1117220


Haha that's crazy, seems the person making the instructions made the mistake.
I guess Bricklink follows the instructions and not the box, so probably it should
stay like this then... Although unless dad has a job as a hairdresser or fashion
designer I do think he looks a bit off with that kids/teenage haircut
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  
 
Set No: 40292  Name: Christmas Gift Box
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40292-1 (Inv) Christmas Gift Box
293 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2018
Sets: Holiday & Event: Christmas

LOL, so the Christmas giftset 40292 has a male and a female hairpiece so that
the child can be a boy or a girl (and they're both on the box). But someone
uploaded a picture where the alternate hair is put on the DAD's head, kind
of making it a dad's hairdo optionality feature

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=40292-1

Actually, it IS a “dad’s hairdo optionality feature”: there are two versions
of the instructions and each one uses different hair for the dad.
See https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1117220
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Set No: 40292  Name: Christmas Gift Box
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40292-1 (Inv) Christmas Gift Box
293 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2018
Sets: Holiday & Event: Christmas

LOL, so the Christmas giftset 40292 has a male and a female hairpiece so that
the child can be a boy or a girl (and they're both on the box). But someone
uploaded a picture where the alternate hair is put on the DAD's head, kind
of making it a dad's hairdo optionality feature

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=40292-1
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  
 
Part No: 2453a  Name: Brick 1 x 1 x 5 - Hollow Stud
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2453a Brick 1 x 1 x 5 - Hollow Stud
Parts: Brick

The note on this part is redundant and not entirely accurate.

The information in the note is contained in the name of the part. Also, the stud
type definitions are consistent throughout the catalog, so they do not need to
be inconsistently redefined here in the note.

Please consider removal of the note.

Thanks,
Randy

The same goes for
 
Part No: 2454  Name: Brick 1 x 2 x 5
* 
2454 Brick 1 x 2 x 5
Parts: Brick
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Part No: 2453a  Name: Brick 1 x 1 x 5 - Hollow Stud
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2453a Brick 1 x 1 x 5 - Hollow Stud
Parts: Brick

The note on this part is redundant and not entirely accurate.

The information in the note is contained in the name of the part. Also, the stud
type definitions are consistent throughout the catalog, so they do not need to
be inconsistently redefined here in the note.

Please consider removal of the note.

Thanks,
Randy
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog, mjwest83 writes:
  I just recently noticed that there is a new category type: Special Assembly.
While I see this as a truly useful idea, I want to make sure of the constraints
about it. Because, if the first 18 examples are good to go by, this is going
to be a completely insane mess. Which is fine by me. But, before I add to the
madness, I want to make sure of the rules so I don't make anything unnecessarily
worse.

Yes, there will need to be some kind of organization of them going forward, but
this section is a test run and could be considered in the "beta" stage. The catalog
admins as well as Russell at BrickLink will have to eventually decide what to
do with this section. Right now, they are monitoring how well these entries actually
get used and how well they sell.

  Oh, follow-up question: Why are the big-figs of Ares and Giant Man (and Groot
for that matter) listed as Special Assemblies. If anything, they should be put in
the Minifigures/Figures category instead, right? They are all actual characters
with names and everything. Shouldn't they be moved?

They are listed there because the catalog admins would not allow them as minifigures,
yet users in the past have asked repeatedly for them to be included in the catalog.
This new section was a compromise. It is possible that someday the characters
in this section will be relocated to a new catalog section.

Cheers,
Randy
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I just recently noticed that there is a new category type: Special Assembly.
While I see this as a truly useful idea, I want to make sure of the constraints
about it. Because, if the first 18 examples are good to go by, this is going
to be a completely insane mess. Which is fine by me. But, before I add to the
madness, I want to make sure of the rules so I don't make anything unnecessarily
worse.

Thank you!

Oh, follow-up question: Why are the big-figs of Ares and Giant Man (and Groot
for that matter) listed as Special Assemblies. If anything, they should be put
in the Minifigures/Figures category instead, right? They are all actual characters
with names and everything. Shouldn't they be moved?

Again, thank you!
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
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In Catalog, SecondChildhood writes:
  FYI, these have been available in the US since Nov 24. They were in stores and
selling on that date (I bought some myself and have been checking to see when
they'd get added to BrickLink!) Thanks.

and in the meantime two persons alrady wrote about adding Darth Vader Castle
but nobody mentioned other sets with the same release date I guess Spider-Man
isn't so popular
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1116913
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1116991
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In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  These five Spider man set are available from yesterday (they had the same date
of release as Darth Vader Castle) so can be approved now
 
Set No: 76113  Name: Spider-Man Bike Rescue
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76113-1 (Inv) Spider-Man Bike Rescue
205 Parts, 3 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Super Heroes: Spider-Man
 
Set No: 76114  Name: Spider-Man's Spider Crawler
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76114-1 (Inv) Spider-Man's Spider Crawler
404 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Super Heroes: Spider-Man
 
Set No: 76115  Name: Spider Mech vs. Venom
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76115-1 (Inv) Spider Mech vs. Venom
590 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Super Heroes: Spider-Man
 
Set No: 76133  Name: Spider-Man Car Chase
* 
76133-1 (Inv) Spider-Man Car Chase
45 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Super Heroes: Spider-Man
 
Set No: 76134  Name: Spider-Man: Doc Ock Diamond Heist
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76134-1 (Inv) Spider-Man: Doc Ock Diamond Heist
134 Parts, 3 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Super Heroes: Spider-Man
sources:
1) Lego official internet shop
2) https://brickset.com/article/40381/75251-darth-vader-s-castle-and-new-spider-man-sets-now-available!
3) I saw them yesterday in polish toy shop on shelfs

Btw if star Wars Darth Vader Castle is treated as 2018 set so as these have the
same release date (1st of the December). I think they also should be counted
as 2018 sets then.

FYI, these have been available in the US since Nov 24. They were in stores and
selling on that date (I bought some myself and have been checking to see when
they'd get added to BrickLink!) Thanks.
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These five Spider man set are available from yesterday (they had the same date
of release as Darth Vader Castle) so can be approved now
 
Set No: 76113  Name: Spider-Man Bike Rescue
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76113-1 (Inv) Spider-Man Bike Rescue
205 Parts, 3 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Super Heroes: Spider-Man
 
Set No: 76114  Name: Spider-Man's Spider Crawler
* 
76114-1 (Inv) Spider-Man's Spider Crawler
404 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Super Heroes: Spider-Man
 
Set No: 76115  Name: Spider Mech vs. Venom
* 
76115-1 (Inv) Spider Mech vs. Venom
590 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Super Heroes: Spider-Man
 
Set No: 76133  Name: Spider-Man Car Chase
* 
76133-1 (Inv) Spider-Man Car Chase
45 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Super Heroes: Spider-Man
 
Set No: 76134  Name: Spider-Man: Doc Ock Diamond Heist
* 
76134-1 (Inv) Spider-Man: Doc Ock Diamond Heist
134 Parts, 3 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Super Heroes: Spider-Man
sources:
1) Lego official internet shop
2) https://brickset.com/article/40381/75251-darth-vader-s-castle-and-new-spider-man-sets-now-available!
3) I saw them yesterday in polish toy shop on shelfs

Btw if star Wars Darth Vader Castle is treated as 2018 set so as these have the
same release date (1st of the December). I think they also should be counted
as 2018 sets then.
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  Or is this the reason the default images are upside down so the holes can be
referred to like a chin?

OK, I think I see now it is not as simple as I thought and the head piece and
mask of Makuta are shown in both orientations, such that the 4 hole area is both
a chin and also near the back of the head by the ears or horns (at least that's
what I see...)
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I just noticed the mask that is described with a "4 hole chin", is not the chin
area. The holes are actually on the opposite end of what I would call the 'chin'
area of the mask.
 
Part No: 44815b  Name: Bionicle Mask Kraahkan, 4 Hole Chin
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44815b Bionicle Mask Kraahkan, 4 Hole Chin
Parts: BIONICLE, Kanohi Mask
and similarly the the 6 hole mask
[p=44815]

Or is this the reason the default images are upside down so the holes can be
referred to like a chin?
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
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I'll do A, B, C, D, E
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I will claim ' 3rd Section: K, L, M, N, O '
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I am embarking on an ambitious project to create written definitions of every
single category in the BrickLink catalog. This has never been done before, although
Dan made a start here:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1568

I realize now that it was never done because it's a massive amount of work.
Even coding the page is taking me a while, but I have the first eight letters
in the alphabet done:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479

I am absolutely going to need help with these definitions and, since you'll
be the ones most affected by category definitions, who better to ask?

Please read very carefully:

1. Descriptions should be short, but complete. I'm not looking for a legal
definition, but also don't want something vague and ambiguous - the point
of these definitions is so that we can easily and completely see what fits into
a category. Creating short, accurate, complete descriptions may tax your writing
ability, but I believe it is possible for every category. Focusing on accurate
descriptions rather than listing exclusions would be best.

2. Yes, my list is not structured like Dan's. His focuses on readability
while mine focuses more on functionality. This page, to my mind, exists to serve
a purpose, like a dictionary, and not to entertain or greatly inform. My page
is more of a reference we can all use as necessary and the alphabetical order
should make it easy to quickly locate information. So I've given this structure
some thought and I'm not too interested in restructuring the page.

3. Limit descriptions to one or two reasonably short sentences. My goal
is to get everything onto one line without breaks between categories. You can
see that the Years category at the top approaches the limit in length. If we
absolutely can't accomplish this for some categories, then we're stuck
with exceptions - but let's shoot for this goal.

4. Please do not post every five minutes with new definitions. Pick the section
below you're going to work on and create all the definitions for that
section. Then post back here with your complete list. I recommend doing this
in MS Word or some other word processing software to avoid losing data. You
may claim any of these sections already unclaimed:

1st Section: A, B, C, D, E
2nd Section: F, G, H, I, J
3rd Section: K, L, M, N, O
4th Section: P, Q, R, S, T
5th Section: U, V, W, X, Y

Ignore the letter Z - I'll get that out of the generosity of my heart.

5. Some of these definitions will require research. For parts, look over the
categories carefully and try to completely understand why they're structured
like they are before defining them. For sets, do enough research to present
a quality definition. Some categories are repetitious, so try to include slightly
differing information for each one (years, for example). An example of repetitious
categories are the Dimensions Wave 1-9. I'm defining every category except
for years for the sake of consistency.

6. Completely ignore decorated categories. There are 33, I think, and I will
create definitions for them.

7. We will have discussion about these categories later. First we need to get
definitions in place and then, later, we can all discuss together if the definitions
need improvements. So there should, in theory, only be 10 replies to this post:
five category claims and five category section definitions.

8. I will edit your definitions as I see necessary. Save your definitions somewhere
(shouldn't be a problem if you're writing them in word processing software)
and we can discuss later if you think I've butchered any of them beyond your
liking.

Okay, that's all I can think of. This will be work, but I can't imagine
doing this all on my own. So assistance is deeply appreciated and I wish I could
do more for you than just appreciate it.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, cptnruthless writes:
  
 
Part No: 973pb1234c01  Name: Torso Female Black and White Wrap Dress with Animal Stripes and Lightning Bolt Lapel, Studded Belt with Silver Buckle Pattern / White Arms / Yellow Hands
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973pb1234c01 (Inv) Torso Female Black and White Wrap Dress with Animal Stripes and Lightning Bolt Lapel, Studded Belt with Silver Buckle Pattern / White Arms / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor.
is listed as "yellow arms" however the picture of the only minifigure
it comes in has white arms. Which is correct?

Looks like it was a mistake. The picture of the torso assembly, the picture
of the minifigure, and the picture of the set all agree on white arms.

I submitted change requests to fix it.

The inventory has been updated. The name change should be accepted soon.

Cheers,
Randy
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In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, cptnruthless writes:
  
 
Part No: 973pb1234c01  Name: Torso Female Black and White Wrap Dress with Animal Stripes and Lightning Bolt Lapel, Studded Belt with Silver Buckle Pattern / White Arms / Yellow Hands
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973pb1234c01 (Inv) Torso Female Black and White Wrap Dress with Animal Stripes and Lightning Bolt Lapel, Studded Belt with Silver Buckle Pattern / White Arms / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor.
is listed as "yellow arms" however the picture of the only minifigure
it comes in has white arms. Which is correct?

Looks like it was a mistake. The picture of the torso assembly, the picture
of the minifigure, and the picture of the set all agree on white arms.

I submitted change requests to fix it.
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In Catalog, cptnruthless writes:
  
 
Part No: 973pb1234c01  Name: Torso Female Black and White Wrap Dress with Animal Stripes and Lightning Bolt Lapel, Studded Belt with Silver Buckle Pattern / White Arms / Yellow Hands
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973pb1234c01 (Inv) Torso Female Black and White Wrap Dress with Animal Stripes and Lightning Bolt Lapel, Studded Belt with Silver Buckle Pattern / White Arms / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor.
is listed as "yellow arms" however the picture of the only minifigure
it comes in has white arms. Which is correct?

Looks like it was a mistake. The picture of the torso assembly, the picture
of the minifigure, and the picture of the set all agree on white arms.
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Part No: 973pb1234c01  Name: Torso Female Black and White Wrap Dress with Animal Stripes and Lightning Bolt Lapel, Studded Belt with Silver Buckle Pattern / White Arms / Yellow Hands
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973pb1234c01 (Inv) Torso Female Black and White Wrap Dress with Animal Stripes and Lightning Bolt Lapel, Studded Belt with Silver Buckle Pattern / White Arms / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor.
is listed as "yellow arms" however the picture of the only minifigure
it comes in has white arms. Which is correct?
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Nov 28, 2018 17:42
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In Catalog, WoutR writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
  Remember too, there's a couple polybags for parts that came with books that
were recently rejected that I submitted because neither I nor you were able to
locate a photo.

Yes, I remember. There's really only one fix for that: someone will have
to buy the books and photograph the bags. These kinds of sets wouldn't appear
in any catalog because the book must be opened to see them. Once we have photos,
then the sets will be quickly approved.

We're moving away from approving any submission which is not accompanied
by an image and I expect that will become firm policy within the next six months
or so.

There are simply too many items in the catalog completely missing images:

3 minifigures
29 sets
106 catalogs
108 books
133 gear
575 parts

Of the parts, over 200 of them are from the Modulex Decorated Tile category.
If we can't find images for those and there are no listings or wanted list
entries, I suggest we do a little pruning.

Why would you want to do that?
I agree that it would be better to have images, but why would anyone want to
remove information from our database unless the parts do not actually exist?

There are better solutions than deleting items.

If, with all the resources we have on BrickLink (and by "resources" I mean people
with knowledge and extensive collections), we can't generate an image or
at least some interest in an item during a period of over 9 years, there is serious
doubt in my mind if that item does actually exist.

I'm saying this specifically concerning Modulex, because I believe many of
those entries were created based on their presence in a catalog from which special
orders could be placed. If no one ever ordered a certain font in a certain color,
would these letter tiles ever have been produced?
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
  Remember too, there's a couple polybags for parts that came with books that
were recently rejected that I submitted because neither I nor you were able to
locate a photo.

Yes, I remember. There's really only one fix for that: someone will have
to buy the books and photograph the bags. These kinds of sets wouldn't appear
in any catalog because the book must be opened to see them. Once we have photos,
then the sets will be quickly approved.

We're moving away from approving any submission which is not accompanied
by an image and I expect that will become firm policy within the next six months
or so.

There are simply too many items in the catalog completely missing images:

3 minifigures
29 sets
106 catalogs
108 books
133 gear
575 parts

Of the parts, over 200 of them are from the Modulex Decorated Tile category.
If we can't find images for those and there are no listings or wanted list
entries, I suggest we do a little pruning.

Why would you want to do that?
I agree that it would be better to have images, but why would anyone want to
remove information from our database unless the parts do not actually exist?

There are better solutions than deleting items.
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In General, WhiteVanMan writes:
  
  Ah yes, thank you Paul for giving me my opening. I actually have submitted things
only to have it rejected. I'm sure I didn't fill out the form correctly,
not for a lack of effort, I just find the form to be convoluted as heck. If
it were a bit more user friendly, I think it make a huge difference in soliciting
volunteer submissions.

It's fairly easy.

For any part that is stickered, you will need to find the numerical identifier
of the last one to be issued, and for that, I use the add an image section to
find it.

Have 3 tabs up,

1st is the catalogue.
2nd is Add an image section
3rd is Add a Part section.

Say that you want to add a stickered 45deg 1x2 slope.


This can be done easier using the * search wildcard.

  Find the highest number of that particular part you can quickly find.

input that number in the add image box, and it should show that part in a description.

Cycle through numbers by 10 until you get an error, and then decrease the numbers
until you then get a description, and you can then increase by 1 to get the next
sequential number.


The undecorated slope has part number 3040.
Decorated slopes will have an additional number, all recent numbers will use
pb to indicate the "pattern numbered by BrickLink" like 3040pb000.

Knowing this, I would search the catalog for 3040pb*.
Then imply sort by item number.
That will make it easy to find the highest number currently in the catalog.

A search for that number +1 will show if that part is available, or if a part
with that number is pending approval.

  
Take a reasonable good picture of the part, preferably in daylight, or under
multiple lights, to eliminate shadows, and resize the pic to a Thumbnail on the
PC. (upload the picture, but don't submit the image yet)

Go to the add part section.

Add the number and identifier to the necessary boxes, along with the dimensions,
weight and such.

Use the same description(s) that other like parts have been added to the catalogue
before, and try to be accurate as possible.

Add the part to the catalogue.

Go back to the image section, and when you click on the verify , it should bring
up the item that you have just submitted, and you can then submit the corresponding
image.

I've done this with some of my mug collection, and will be doing others soon.

Have fun!

Paul
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In General, mfav writes:
  The instructions are a horror show. Can you update those?

Yes. Few people would ever read through all those 2,700 words before submitting
an item to the catalog, nor should they have to.

That's not to say it isn't necessary to have rules, because it is. But
that particular page desperately needs to be simplified to the salient points
along with clear, simple guidelines for completing the form. The minutiae can
be moved elsewhere.

The entire Catalog Help Center needs a makeover. There are too many topics and
some of them have not been updated in forever. I was going to work on other
things today, but I've been putting this off for too long.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
  Remember too, there's a couple polybags for parts that came with books that
were recently rejected that I submitted because neither I nor you were able to
locate a photo.

Yes, I remember. There's really only one fix for that: someone will have
to buy the books and photograph the bags. These kinds of sets wouldn't appear
in any catalog because the book must be opened to see them. Once we have photos,
then the sets will be quickly approved.

We're moving away from approving any submission which is not accompanied
by an image and I expect that will become firm policy within the next six months
or so.

There are simply too many items in the catalog completely missing images:

3 minifigures
29 sets
106 catalogs
108 books
133 gear
575 parts

Of the parts, over 200 of them are from the Modulex Decorated Tile category.
If we can't find images for those and there are no listings or wanted list
entries, I suggest we do a little pruning.
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In General, StormChaser writes:
  I know the submission form is difficult to understand, but I do not have the
ability to change it.

The instructions are a horror show. Can you update those?
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
  Remember too, there's a couple polybags for parts that came with books that
were recently rejected that I submitted because neither I nor you were able to
locate a photo.

Yes, I remember. There's really only one fix for that: someone will have
to buy the books and photograph the bags. These kinds of sets wouldn't appear
in any catalog because the book must be opened to see them. Once we have photos,
then the sets will be quickly approved.

We're moving away from approving any submission which is not accompanied
by an image and I expect that will become firm policy within the next six months
or so.

There are simply too many items in the catalog completely missing images:

3 minifigures
29 sets
106 catalogs
108 books
133 gear
575 parts
902 instructions
4,236 original boxes

The idea in the past was that if you approved an item then eventually someone
would add a picture. That approach sort of works - sort of. I, for one, am
tired of seeing that we are missing 6,000+ images and that number* will only
keep growing if we don't stop it now.



*To be fair, instructions and boxes don't count as much because they're
created for all sets. Still, 950+ missing images are nothing in which to take
pride. If you look through the list of items missing images, you will see a
fair number of things for sale - clearly we need to do better at rewarding contributors.


I might be able to get pictures of some of the missing Star Wars boxes and instructions.
I just took a peek at what was missing and my inventory says I have at least
a few of them.

Josh
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog, TheBrickGuys writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, mhortar writes:
  I'm not sure that 'Pattern' actually fits.

The word "design" means "decorative pattern."

If we wanted to be truly accurate and consistent, then every single part title
would have one of the eight following identifiers:

Plain
Printed Design
Stickered Design
Printed/Stickered Design
Molded Design
Molded/Printed Design
Molded/Stickered Design
Molded/Stickered/Printed Design (pretty sure there are none of those)

Have I missed any? Maybe when/if we get tags we can do this. I think it would
be helpful.

But it sounds like "Decorated" is the preferred term so far from all three commentors.
I still think it's quite strange that part categories are the only place
we use that word, but this ain't a one-man show.

Now that you bought up the subject of stickers.... Is there a possibility of
adding sub categories for each type of patterned part so as to separate printed
parts from applied sticker parts? So that whenever there are stickers applied
by the end user on parts verses patterns applied directly by Lego on the same
type of part then there would be a sub category for the sticker applied parts
to keep them seperate.

This would be extremely helpful for adding used inventory into our stores. A
good example would be printed tiles verses sticker applied tiles. If you know
that a part you are trying to add to your inventor is a Lego printed tile then
it would be so much easier to find it in the catalog if the stickered tiles were
in a separate sub category of the printed tiles.

I know it would be a lot of work but it sure would be nice.

Jim

Every stickered part has either "Sticker" or "Stickers" in the name. Just run
a search for the part you want followed by "-sticker*" (without the quotes).

So to search all 2x2 tiles for just printed ones, you would run a search for
"3068b* -sticker*" (without the quotes):

https://www.bricklink.com/v2/search.page?q=3068b*+-sticker*&brand=1000&rpp=100&tab=P#T=P

HTH,
Randy
 Author: jenwick View Messages Posted By jenwick
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I like decorated. What I think would be really great is if there was a printed
decorated category and a stickered decorated category as some categories are
quite large.

Jen
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, mhortar writes:
  I'm not sure that 'Pattern' actually fits.

The word "design" means "decorative pattern."

If we wanted to be truly accurate and consistent, then every single part title
would have one of the eight following identifiers:

Plain
Printed Design
Stickered Design
Printed/Stickered Design
Molded Design
Molded/Printed Design
Molded/Stickered Design
Molded/Stickered/Printed Design (pretty sure there are none of those)

Have I missed any? Maybe when/if we get tags we can do this. I think it would
be helpful.

But it sounds like "Decorated" is the preferred term so far from all three commentors.
I still think it's quite strange that part categories are the only place
we use that word, but this ain't a one-man show.

Now that you bought up the subject of stickers.... Is there a possibility of
adding sub categories for each type of patterned part so as to separate printed
parts from applied sticker parts? So that whenever there are stickers applied
by the end user on parts verses patterns applied directly by Lego on the same
type of part then there would be a sub category for the sticker applied parts
to keep them seperate.

This would be extremely helpful for adding used inventory into our stores. A
good example would be printed tiles verses sticker applied tiles. If you know
that a part you are trying to add to your inventor is a Lego printed tile then
it would be so much easier to find it in the catalog if the stickered tiles were
in a separate sub category of the printed tiles.

I know it would be a lot of work but it sure would be nice.

Jim
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In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
  As bje pointed out, the word "pattern" means a visual design that is repeating.
The vast majority of the things called "pattern" in the BL catalog really aren't.
I think the word "pattern" needs to be changed to "print" since that's what
it really is.

David

I agree. Either print or sticker. Otherwise we would have to rename category
"Stickers" to "Patterns" as well
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As bje pointed out, the word "pattern" means a visual design that is repeating.
The vast majority of the things called "pattern" in the BL catalog really aren't.
I think the word "pattern" needs to be changed to "print" since that's what
it really is.

David
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In Catalog, mockingbird writes:

  I see nothing wrong with categories named 'decorated' and the use of
pattern in parts.

To me it means a collection of decorated parts. And the parts are decorated with
a certain pattern.

I agree with the above
 Author: mwright5 View Messages Posted By mwright5
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In General, WhiteVanMan writes:
  
  Ah yes, thank you Paul for giving me my opening. I actually have submitted things
only to have it rejected. I'm sure I didn't fill out the form correctly,
not for a lack of effort, I just find the form to be convoluted as heck. If
it were a bit more user friendly, I think it make a huge difference in soliciting
volunteer submissions.

It's fairly easy.

For any part that is stickered, you will need to find the numerical identifier
of the last one to be issued, and for that, I use the add an image section to
find it.

Have 3 tabs up,

1st is the catalogue.
2nd is Add an image section
3rd is Add a Part section.

Say that you want to add a stickered 45deg 1x2 slope.

Find the highest number of that particular part you can quickly find.

input that number in the add image box, and it should show that part in a description.

Cycle through numbers by 10 until you get an error, and then decrease the numbers
until you then get a description, and you can then increase by 1 to get the next
sequential number.

Take a reasonable good picture of the part, preferably in daylight, or under
multiple lights, to eliminate shadows, and resize the pic to a Thumbnail on the
PC. (upload the picture, but don't submit the image yet)

Go to the add part section.

Add the number and identifier to the necessary boxes, along with the dimensions,
weight and such.

Use the same description(s) that other like parts have been added to the catalogue
before, and try to be accurate as possible.

Add the part to the catalogue.

Go back to the image section, and when you click on the verify , it should bring
up the item that you have just submitted, and you can then submit the corresponding
image.

I've done this with some of my mug collection, and will be doing others soon.

Have fun!


Paul, while I sincerely appreciate and value your input here, your making my
point. That process is nuts!!! It just furthers my point. IT has to be simplified
in order to be a useable tool. Again, this is not a knock on Paul, nor intended
to be offensive. I just really want to help, like many others, and the current
process takes way too much figuring out to be useful. I think we need to enlist
the Brickstock creator to come to the rescue on this.
  
Paul
 Author: WhiteVanMan View Messages Posted By WhiteVanMan
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  Ah yes, thank you Paul for giving me my opening. I actually have submitted things
only to have it rejected. I'm sure I didn't fill out the form correctly,
not for a lack of effort, I just find the form to be convoluted as heck. If
it were a bit more user friendly, I think it make a huge difference in soliciting
volunteer submissions.

It's fairly easy.

For any part that is stickered, you will need to find the numerical identifier
of the last one to be issued, and for that, I use the add an image section to
find it.

Have 3 tabs up,

1st is the catalogue.
2nd is Add an image section
3rd is Add a Part section.

Say that you want to add a stickered 45deg 1x2 slope.

Find the highest number of that particular part you can quickly find.

input that number in the add image box, and it should show that part in a description.

Cycle through numbers by 10 until you get an error, and then decrease the numbers
until you then get a description, and you can then increase by 1 to get the next
sequential number.

Take a reasonable good picture of the part, preferably in daylight, or under
multiple lights, to eliminate shadows, and resize the pic to a Thumbnail on the
PC. (upload the picture, but don't submit the image yet)

Go to the add part section.

Add the number and identifier to the necessary boxes, along with the dimensions,
weight and such.

Use the same description(s) that other like parts have been added to the catalogue
before, and try to be accurate as possible.

Add the part to the catalogue.

Go back to the image section, and when you click on the verify , it should bring
up the item that you have just submitted, and you can then submit the corresponding
image.

I've done this with some of my mug collection, and will be doing others soon.

Have fun!

Paul
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  I don't see the point of the "pattern" in the title anyway.
If everything in a decorated category has pattern in the title, it becomes useless
for searching if you restrict searches to that category.

Something is necessary in the title because not everyone goes to categories first.
Sometimes people just want to find all the 2 x 2 bricks with a pattern. That's
the whole point of having a search feature and the search feature is only as
good as item titles.

Ideally, as you pointed out, we would be able to tag things for the purpose of
searching and we could have more reasonable item titles.
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In General, mwright5 writes:
  I actually have submitted things only to have it rejected.

I'm sorry to hear that you had a negative experience in the past. We're
working on our communication and I make a serious effort to send an explanatory
message to every single contributor when I am unable to approve submissions.

  I'm sure I didn't fill out the form correctly . . . I just find the form to be convoluted as heck.

One of the jobs of a catalog administrator is to check submissions and correct
them to catalog standards before approving them. It is true that if you make
a perfect submission it makes my job much easier and it will be approved quicker,
but don't let fear of errors dissuade you from submitting. You don't
have to get things perfect.

I know the submission form is difficult to understand, but I do not have the
ability to change it. I can tell you from experience that the more submissions
you make the easier it gets and the more comfortable you become with the form.
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I don't see the point of the "pattern" in the title anyway.

If everything in a decorated category has pattern in the title, it becomes useless
for searching if you restrict searches to that category.

I'd prefer that space was taken up with information about how the pattern
is made: sticker, print, dual mould. Of course, that would be better as tags
but if we cannot have those, they should be in the title.
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In Catalog, ZwarteMagica writes:
  Any examples from postcards available? It makes uploading them much easier.

389 examples here:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=G&catString=472&itemBrand=1000
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In my continual effort to make your lives marginally better (which is a close
second to my continual effort to be a person who does not use catchphrases),
I propose the following for discussion: why do we call patterns patterns pretty
much everywhere but in category names?

Nearly the only place you will see "Decorated" on BrickLink is in category names
(32 of them). When you click on decorated parts, though, you see parts with
patterns. I propose changing the word "Decorated" to the word "Pattern" in those
32 category names. This will have no effects except in aesthetics and site-wide
consistency.

LordSkylark has asked for a category split of the Aircraft category into patterned
and non-patterned parts. I decided to succumb to his demand and have created
a new category titled Aircraft, Pattern. Now you can look at it on the parts
category page and see if you prefer the way things are now or the way I suggest
we do things.

Provide input, please.

I see nothing wrong with categories named 'decorated' and the use of
pattern in parts.

To me it means a collection of decorated parts. And the parts are decorated with
a certain pattern.

So I do not see the need to change anything in de current use.

I think there are more important updates/changes to make than changes pure for
aesthetics.
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Thank you for your help.
Dutch versions for approval.

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Any examples from postcards available? It makes uploading them much easier.
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In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
  In Catalog, Hurt writes:
  As long as I can still do searches like:
"brick 2 x 3 decorated" (or exchange the "decorated" with any other word) and
then select a color from "More Options", everything is fine

Wow, I have been on Bricklink for about eight years and I have only just now
found a better way of searching for 'decorated' parts using the 'pattern'
keyword! Up to now, I have been using 'with' keyword to search for decorated
parts!

( a bit embarrassing really! )



As of now, the keyword "pattern" seems to look for parts of the name of a part,
while "decorated" is the category itself (but as nearly every decorated part
has the "pattern" keyword in it, both searches should be the same).
Changing the category "Decorated" to "Pattern" may look strange, as already stated
by some other users. Changing it to "Patterned" wouldn't result in any benefit
for searching, because it is again another word than the word used in the names
of parts ("pattern").
I don't know what would be best. I don't mind leaving category names
with "Decorated" ... it least I wouldn't have to re-print my labels for the
boxes where I store the different bricklink categories
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In General, WhiteVanMan writes:
  In General, mwright5 writes:
  It doesn't matter to me what we call it. I just wish the database was a
little more inclusive. For example, the sticker patterns from set 41150 are
still MIA on the database.

Set 41150

 
Set No: 41150  Name: Moana's Ocean Voyage
* 
41150-1 (Inv) Moana's Ocean Voyage
295 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2017
Sets: Disney: Disney Princess: Moana

Why not buy the set and then add the stickered parts yourself?

Just remember, ALL of the pictures and set inventories are done by volunteers,
who spend time to collect parts and photograph them, adjust the ratios, colours
and what not, to add them to the catalogue.

I've done a few parts in my time, and to be honest, if I were getting paid
to do this, I'd be over it like a rash, but, hey, working with LEGO is a
labour of love....

Try it and see....

Paul

Ah yes, thank you Paul for giving me my opening. I actually have submitted things
only to have it rejected. I'm sure I didn't fill out the form correctly,
not for a lack of effort, I just find the form to be convoluted as heck. If
it were a bit more user friendly, I think it make a huge difference in soliciting
volunteer submissions.
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In General, mwright5 writes:
  It doesn't matter to me what we call it. I just wish the database was a
little more inclusive. For example, the sticker patterns from set 41150 are
still MIA on the database.

Set 41150

 
Set No: 41150  Name: Moana's Ocean Voyage
* 
41150-1 (Inv) Moana's Ocean Voyage
295 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2017
Sets: Disney: Disney Princess: Moana

Why not buy the set and then add the stickered parts yourself?

Just remember, ALL of the pictures and set inventories are done by volunteers,
who spend time to collect parts and photograph them, adjust the ratios, colours
and what not, to add them to the catalogue.

I've done a few parts in my time, and to be honest, if I were getting paid
to do this, I'd be over it like a rash, but, hey, working with LEGO is a
labour of love....

Try it and see....

Paul
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In Catalog, Hurt writes:
  As long as I can still do searches like:
"brick 2 x 3 decorated" (or exchange the "decorated" with any other word) and
then select a color from "More Options", everything is fine

Wow, I have been on Bricklink for about eight years and I have only just now
found a better way of searching for 'decorated' parts using the 'pattern'
keyword! Up to now, I have been using 'with' keyword to search for decorated
parts!

( a bit embarrassing really! )
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, mhortar writes:
  Are there any Printed/Stickered parts?

Yep. Just came across one, in fact.

Printed nose:

 
Part No: 18907pb01  Name: Aircraft Fuselage Forward Top Curved 6 x 10 x 4 with 5 Window Panes with Shuttle Nose Pattern
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18907pb01 Aircraft Fuselage Forward Top Curved 6 x 10 x 4 with 5 Window Panes with Shuttle Nose Pattern
Parts: Aircraft, Decorated

Printed nose and stickered part (no space in the title for "Pattern," apparently):

 
Part No: 18907pb02  Name: Aircraft Fuselage Forward Top Curved 6 x 10 x 4 with 5 Window Panes with Shuttle Nose Pattern and Space Logo on White Background on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 60080
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18907pb02 Aircraft Fuselage Forward Top Curved 6 x 10 x 4 with 5 Window Panes with Shuttle Nose Pattern and Space Logo on White Background on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 60080
Parts: Aircraft, Decorated

  I'm pretty sure there are molded/printed parts (at least dual-molded arms)

Yep. Here's one:

 
Part No: 981pb169  Name: Arm, Left with White Short Sleeve with 2 Black Stripes Pattern
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981pb169 Arm, Left with White Short Sleeve with 2 Black Stripes Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Body Part

  but not sure about the other combinations.

But that's the point of such a system. It would be designed for the future
as well as the past.

  There's something to be said for making the category names and the
terms used in the actual names to be consistent. I'd be agreeable to 'Patterned' for the category name.

Meh. Perhaps we'll consider it in the future. I sense a lack of enthusiasm.
I changed the new category to Decorated and finished moving all the Aircraft
parts.

I actually like the eight definitions I came up with thanks to this discussion.
We need to be able to distinguish between printed, stickered, and molded designs
and people have asked for that ability. I don't think those identifiers
would ever go into part titles, but they could go into tags and result in a simplification
of overly complicated existing part titles.

I don't like the word Pattern much as for me it represents a repeated design
or motif. Sometimes I think these words are, like some strange part numbers (x145,
bb387) an inheritance of a distant and somehow obsolete past to which BrickLink
seems to be attached still. Call me avant-garde, but I'm not sure the casual
user would search for Pattern rather than Decorated or Printed or Stickered or
some variations of these words.

Thus, I would more likely replace the word Pattern in the item description with
the words Decorated Printed, Decorated Stickered, Decorated Molded, Decorated
Printed & Stickered, etc.
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It doesn't matter to me what we call it. I just wish the database was a
little more inclusive. For example, the sticker patterns from set 41150 are
still MIA on the database.
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As long as I can still do searches like:
"brick 2 x 3 decorated" (or exchange the "decorated" with any other word) and
then select a color from "More Options", everything is fine
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In Catalog, ZwarteMagica writes:
  Question for the catalog team.

Are these considered lego(products) and is it worth adding them into the catalog?

Thank you

The first two images show dealer catalogs similar to:
 
Catalog No: c06dedc2  Name: 2006 Dealer Large German
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c06dedc2 2006 Dealer Large German
Catalogs: 2006
 
Catalog No: c07ukdc  Name: 2007 Dealer Large UK (4513301)
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c07ukdc 2007 Dealer Large UK (4513301)
Catalogs: 2007
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  verbal eye candy.

And that, my friends, is the tragedy which can befall you when you attempt to
be clever whilst also being tired.
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In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
  The word 'Pattern', used in parts titles, is just a comfortable placeholder
in reading the part titles. Pick out ten random parts and read them with the
word 'Pattern' and then read them without the word 'Pattern'
and they mean the same thing.

No, this word serves a very important purpose. You can search for "pattern"
and "-pattern" to modify your search results as desired. It's not just verbal
eye candy.
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In Catalog, mhortar writes:
  Are there any Printed/Stickered parts?

Yep. Just came across one, in fact.

Printed nose:

 
Part No: 18907pb01  Name: Aircraft Fuselage Forward Top Curved 6 x 10 x 4 with 5 Window Panes with Shuttle Nose Pattern
* 
18907pb01 Aircraft Fuselage Forward Top Curved 6 x 10 x 4 with 5 Window Panes with Shuttle Nose Pattern
Parts: Aircraft, Decorated

Printed nose and stickered part (no space in the title for "Pattern," apparently):

 
Part No: 18907pb02  Name: Aircraft Fuselage Forward Top Curved 6 x 10 x 4 with 5 Window Panes with Shuttle Nose Pattern and Space Logo on White Background on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 60080
* 
18907pb02 Aircraft Fuselage Forward Top Curved 6 x 10 x 4 with 5 Window Panes with Shuttle Nose Pattern and Space Logo on White Background on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 60080
Parts: Aircraft, Decorated

  I'm pretty sure there are molded/printed parts (at least dual-molded arms)

Yep. Here's one:

 
Part No: 981pb169  Name: Arm, Left with White Short Sleeve with 2 Black Stripes Pattern
* 
981pb169 Arm, Left with White Short Sleeve with 2 Black Stripes Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Body Part

  but not sure about the other combinations.

But that's the point of such a system. It would be designed for the future
as well as the past.

  There's something to be said for making the category names and the
terms used in the actual names to be consistent. I'd be agreeable to 'Patterned' for the category name.

Meh. Perhaps we'll consider it in the future. I sense a lack of enthusiasm.
I changed the new category to Decorated and finished moving all the Aircraft
parts.

I actually like the eight definitions I came up with thanks to this discussion.
We need to be able to distinguish between printed, stickered, and molded designs
and people have asked for that ability. I don't think those identifiers
would ever go into part titles, but they could go into tags and result in a simplification
of overly complicated existing part titles.
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[StormChaser] writes:

  Provide input, please.

In my opinion, categories should stay with 'Decorated' and all parts
with 'Pattern' should changed.

The word 'Pattern', used in parts titles, is just a comfortable placeholder
in reading the part titles. Pick out ten random parts and read them with the
word 'Pattern' and then read them without the word 'Pattern'
and they mean the same thing.

To replace the word 'Pattern' with 'Decorated' would be a wasted
opportunity. So I will go with what you suggested later '
Design', where would be sticker, molded, etc.
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In Catalog, ZwarteMagica writes:
  Are these considered lego(products) and is it worth adding them into the catalog?

Yes, they look like LEGO products and I don't see any reason why they wouldn't
be accepted.

I changed your post from Catalog Requests to Catalog. The Catalog Requests topic
is only to ask that something in the catalog be changed which can't be changed
through existing forms.
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Question for the catalog team.

Are these considered lego(products) and is it worth adding them into the catalog?

Thank you
 






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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, mhortar writes:
  I'm not sure that 'Pattern' actually fits.

The word "design" means "decorative pattern."

If we wanted to be truly accurate and consistent, then every single part title
would have one of the eight following identifiers:

Plain
Printed Design
Stickered Design
Printed/Stickered Design
Molded Design
Molded/Printed Design
Molded/Stickered Design
Molded/Stickered/Printed Design (pretty sure there are none of those)

Have I missed any? Maybe when/if we get tags we can do this. I think it would
be helpful.

But it sounds like "Decorated" is the preferred term so far from all three commentors.
I still think it's quite strange that part categories are the only place
we use that word, but this ain't a one-man show.

Are there any Printed/Stickered parts? I'm pretty sure there are molded/printed
parts (at least dual-molded arms), but not sure about the other combinations.
Molded/stickered might exist too, but they're probably pretty rare.

I checked some other definition sites and none of them focused on the 'repetition'
aspect like the first one I came across (I think it was the Oxford dictionary),
so upon further review, I'd be agreeable to 'Patterned' for the category
name. There's something to be said for making the category names and the
terms used in the actual names to be consistent.

Josh
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In Catalog, mhortar writes:
  I'm not sure that 'Pattern' actually fits.

The word "design" means "decorative pattern."

If we wanted to be truly accurate and consistent, then every single part title
would have one of the eight following identifiers:

Plain
Printed Design
Stickered Design
Printed/Stickered Design
Molded Design
Molded/Printed Design
Molded/Stickered Design
Molded/Stickered/Printed Design (pretty sure there are none of those)

Have I missed any? Maybe when/if we get tags we can do this. I think it would
be helpful.

But it sounds like "Decorated" is the preferred term so far from all three commentors.
I still think it's quite strange that part categories are the only place
we use that word, but this ain't a one-man show.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In my continual effort to make your lives marginally better (which is a close
second to my continual effort to be a person who does not use catchphrases),
I propose the following for discussion: why do we call patterns patterns pretty
much everywhere but in category names?

Nearly the only place you will see "Decorated" on BrickLink is in category names
(32 of them). When you click on decorated parts, though, you see parts with
patterns. I propose changing the word "Decorated" to the word "Pattern" in those
32 category names. This will have no effects except in aesthetics and site-wide
consistency.

Hmm: Meaning of Decorate:
1. make (something) look more attractive by adding extra items or images to it.

Meaning of Pattern:
1. a repeated decorative design.

Decorated would include stickered and printed items, IMO, whereas patterned simply
refers to the design added to the decorated item. So probably the category names
are correct and the individual items should refer to the pattern or some other
embellishment to be applied to the plain item in order to decorate it (good thing
I've had some coffee already this morning)

  
LordSkylark has asked for a category split of the Aircraft category into patterned
and non-patterned parts. I decided to succumb to his demand and have created
a new category titled Aircraft, Pattern. Now you can look at it on the parts
category page and see if you prefer the way things are now or the way I suggest
we do things.

As to the actual split of the categories, good thing except, I would, for the
reasons above, stick to "decorated" as opposed to "pattern" in the category name.
Personally I would add to the 2 parts in that category that are not specified,
either "printed" or "sticker" as it is not exactly clear what they are, unless
the feeling is that the default is printed.

  
Provide input, please.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In my continual effort to make your lives marginally better (which is a close
second to my continual effort to be a person who does not use catchphrases),
I propose the following for discussion: why do we call patterns patterns pretty
much everywhere but in category names?

Nearly the only place you will see "Decorated" on BrickLink is in category names
(32 of them). When you click on decorated parts, though, you see parts with
patterns. I propose changing the word "Decorated" to the word "Pattern" in those
32 category names. This will have no effects except in aesthetics and site-wide
consistency.

LordSkylark has asked for a category split of the Aircraft category into patterned
and non-patterned parts. I decided to succumb to his demand and have created
a new category titled Aircraft, Pattern. Now you can look at it on the parts
category page and see if you prefer the way things are now or the way I suggest
we do things.

Provide input, please.

I'm not sure that 'Pattern' actually fits. I think you'd have
to go with 'Patterned', but even then, a pattern is more of a repeated
design, which doesn't fit for most printed parts. Decorated, Ornamented,
or Embellished would probably be better fits.

Josh
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In my continual effort to make your lives marginally better (which is a close
second to my continual effort to be a person who does not use catchphrases),
I propose the following for discussion: why do we call patterns patterns pretty
much everywhere but in category names?

Nearly the only place you will see "Decorated" on BrickLink is in category names
(32 of them). When you click on decorated parts, though, you see parts with
patterns. I propose changing the word "Decorated" to the word "Pattern" in those
32 category names. This will have no effects except in aesthetics and site-wide
consistency.

LordSkylark has asked for a category split of the Aircraft category into patterned
and non-patterned parts. I decided to succumb to his demand and have created
a new category titled Aircraft, Pattern. Now you can look at it on the parts
category page and see if you prefer the way things are now or the way I suggest
we do things.

Provide input, please.

If you are going to go with switching the category names, at least make them
titled with "Patterned" instead of "Pattern".

"Aircraft, Pattern" just sounds very weird since the word "Pattern" is ambiguous
here. Are you referring to aircraft parts that have a pattern or are you referring
to a pattern of an aircraft part? For someone new, that would look very confusing.

"Aircraft, Patterned" makes much more sense because "Patterned" can be a synonym
for "Decorated" whereas "Pattern" cannot. This phrase immediately makes me think
of patterned aircraft parts.

One other thing to consider is that some of the parts that have a "Pattern" are
marbled parts or parts composed of two different plastics molded together. I
don't think any of these parts are classified in "Decorated" categories,
but I could be wrong. What I do know is that most of them are for sure in normal
categories. Therefore, if you rename the "Decorated" categories to "Patterned",
you create another inconsistency since all parts with a "Pattern" will not be
in the "Patterned" categories. Just something to think about.

Cheers,
Randy
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In my continual effort to make your lives marginally better (which is a close
second to my continual effort to be a person who does not use catchphrases),
I propose the following for discussion: why do we call patterns patterns pretty
much everywhere but in category names?

Nearly the only place you will see "Decorated" on BrickLink is in category names
(32 of them). When you click on decorated parts, though, you see parts with
patterns. I propose changing the word "Decorated" to the word "Pattern" in those
32 category names. This will have no effects except in aesthetics and site-wide
consistency.

LordSkylark has asked for a category split of the Aircraft category into patterned
and non-patterned parts. I decided to succumb to his demand and have created
a new category titled Aircraft, Pattern. Now you can look at it on the parts
category page and see if you prefer the way things are now or the way I suggest
we do things.

Provide input, please.
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In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
  Remember too, there's a couple polybags for parts that came with books that
were recently rejected that I submitted because neither I nor you were able to
locate a photo.

Yes, I remember. There's really only one fix for that: someone will have
to buy the books and photograph the bags. These kinds of sets wouldn't appear
in any catalog because the book must be opened to see them. Once we have photos,
then the sets will be quickly approved.

We're moving away from approving any submission which is not accompanied
by an image and I expect that will become firm policy within the next six months
or so.

There are simply too many items in the catalog completely missing images:

3 minifigures
29 sets
106 catalogs
108 books
133 gear
575 parts
902 instructions
4,236 original boxes

The idea in the past was that if you approved an item then eventually someone
would add a picture. That approach sort of works - sort of. I, for one, am
tired of seeing that we are missing 6,000+ images and that number* will only
keep growing if we don't stop it now.



*To be fair, instructions and boxes don't count as much because they're
created for all sets. Still, 950+ missing images are nothing in which to take
pride. If you look through the list of items missing images, you will see a
fair number of things for sale - clearly we need to do better at rewarding contributors.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  I have been searching for an image of this set for years:

 
Set No: 9978  Name: Home Environment
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9978-1 (Inv) Home Environment
70 Parts, 4 Minifigures
Sets: Educational & Dacta: DUPLO: Playhouse

The set has no date of addition, so it must have been added to the site not too
terribly long after BrickLink was founded. At times I have wondered if the set
was even real, but the specificity of its name always made me think that it must
have existed.

Today I got this catalog in the mail which was not in the BrickLink database
and which I just now added:

 
Catalog No: c92usdac  Name: 1992 Large US Dacta (Play is the Work of Children)
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c92usdac 1992 Large US Dacta (Play is the Work of Children)
Catalogs: 1992: Educational & Dacta

In that catalog I finally found the long-missing image and added it. I'm
pretty confident that this is the only website anywhere that you can see an image
of set 9978-1. I'm pretty excited that my long search has finally ended
in satisfaction and wanted to share.

We are now down to only 29 sets without any image (and one of them is from 2018,
so it doesn't really count). If you'd like to see what we're missing,
click here:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=S&imgID=0&itemBrand=1000

Remember too, there's a couple polybags for parts that came with books that
were recently rejected that I submitted because neither I nor you were able to
locate a photo.
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Do you think anyone will ever find the Penguin Winter Hut?

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  I have been searching for an image of this set for years:

 
Set No: 9978  Name: Home Environment
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9978-1 (Inv) Home Environment
70 Parts, 4 Minifigures
Sets: Educational & Dacta: DUPLO: Playhouse

The set has no date of addition, so it must have been added to the site not too
terribly long after BrickLink was founded. At times I have wondered if the set
was even real, but the specificity of its name always made me think that it must
have existed.

Today I got this catalog in the mail which was not in the BrickLink database
and which I just now added:

 
Catalog No: c92usdac  Name: 1992 Large US Dacta (Play is the Work of Children)
* 
c92usdac 1992 Large US Dacta (Play is the Work of Children)
Catalogs: 1992: Educational & Dacta

In that catalog I finally found the long-missing image and added it. I'm
pretty confident that this is the only website anywhere that you can see an image
of set 9978-1. I'm pretty excited that my long search has finally ended
in satisfaction and wanted to share.

We are now down to only 29 sets without any image (and one of them is from 2018,
so it doesn't really count). If you'd like to see what we're missing,
click here:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=S&imgID=0&itemBrand=1000
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I have been searching for an image of this set for years:

 
Set No: 9978  Name: Home Environment
* 
9978-1 (Inv) Home Environment
70 Parts, 4 Minifigures
Sets: Educational & Dacta: DUPLO: Playhouse

The set has no date of addition, so it must have been added to the site not too
terribly long after BrickLink was founded. At times I have wondered if the set
was even real, but the specificity of its name always made me think that it must
have existed.

Today I got this catalog in the mail which was not in the BrickLink database
and which I just now added:

 
Catalog No: c92usdac  Name: 1992 Large US Dacta (Play is the Work of Children)
* 
c92usdac 1992 Large US Dacta (Play is the Work of Children)
Catalogs: 1992: Educational & Dacta

In that catalog I finally found the long-missing image and added it. I'm
pretty confident that this is the only website anywhere that you can see an image
of set 9978-1. I'm pretty excited that my long search has finally ended
in satisfaction and wanted to share.

We are now down to only 29 sets without any image (and one of them is from 2018,
so it doesn't really count). If you'd like to see what we're missing,
click here:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=S&imgID=0&itemBrand=1000
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  I think the easiest distinction would be between specially-molded figures and
brick-built figures - this would remove having a separate item type for character
figures. Does that sound right?

Yes, I think so. It would make finding things much easier if you have something
unidentified in a job lot. [This next bit is assuming that new figures types
are incorporated into the catalogue.] And that is what, to me, the catalogue
should be there for. If you know what something is or what set it came from,
it is easy to find no matter how bad the catalogue is. Whereas if you don't
know what a part (or figure) is, you should be able to follow the (hopefully
written down) definitions of different figure types and work out at least what
category it is, before looking through the entries.

  BTW, did you see that I made the pictures bigger and added little frames around
each photo? I thought it looked better.

Yes, each iteration is an improvement!
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  You said it could move into the Catalog
Help Center.

Actually, it is already there. I just meant that if we keep it, then it will
go to a different page. I hijacked the page it's on right now because I
can't create new Help Center pages.

I've updated the list. See if this new approach solves the concerns you
had.
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In Catalog, Nordbart writes:
  Anyway, what I am saying is we need a definition of what is a figure and what
is not. At least here on BrickLink.

This is project number two on the roadmap:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2473

It will happen, but it is not happening right now. Please give this subject
some thought between now and the time when it does happen so that you may provide
some input at that time.

BTW, I already have written rules laid out for this project (defining all six
item types), but I am giving them some additional consideration before I begin
this project and release them for discussion. Please be patient.
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  In the past, what was and was not a figure was decided on unwritten rules according
to the preferences of the person deciding. One of the self-imposed tasks I face
is ending this practice and creating written rules so that we're all on the
same page. You'll notice that a number of catalog projects mention this.

Until such time as we have written rules, there is not much point in discussing
what should or should not be a figure and until we have the ability to sort figures
by type, if we ever have it, then there is not much point in going into the minutiae
of different types.

Take the minor Planet Pluto. It was considered a planet in the past then more
planet like objects got found in the kuiper belt and the number off planets would
have been inflated...
So the Astronomers got together and created a new definition of what is a Planet
and what isn't.

This unfortunately kicked out Pluto out of the Club of Planets. At least the
scientific definition of one.

Anyway, what I am saying is we need a definition of what is a figure and what
is not. At least here on BrickLink.

We could also start listing them as

"Sub assemblies of antropomorphic appearence with a varying number movable limbs
and other functions for posability."


But this would cast a rather wide net and would include bionicle, galidor and
more.

Guess my definition sucks. I'm sure you can come up with a better one.

nordbart

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