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| | | Author: | here4bricks614  | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2024 16:46 | | Subject: | Seriously? | | Viewed: | 832 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
All of the element numbers are gone and now it’s going to be harder to find the
specific variant.
This catalog project was a rushed and stupid idea.
Merging parts did not move element numbers over because the merging process doesn’t
come with that built into it. Was that something that site admin considered before
this bright idea? Nope. Why bother ensuring a smooth transition when you can
carry on without a plan in mind? After all, that seems to be par for site administration.
Listening to community complaints? A waste of time.
Improving site functionality? A bigger waste of time.
Considering that a project of this scale would undermine years of progress and
effort from your catalog administrators and community members? An even bigger
waste of time.
Then, catalog administrators and community members have to clean the mess up.
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2024 17:12 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 132 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
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Because a few care, but 1+ million of the others absolutely don't.
But versions do work exactly the same.
Very sorry.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2024 17:33 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 107 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
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Because a few care, but 1+ million of the others absolutely don't.
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A good part of those 1+ million don’t care about the site at all, they wouldn’t
even care if people started selling fake LEGO here!
| | But versions do work exactly the same.
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Generally, but not always(eg. if you are lighting a M.O.C. you NEED the the variant
with the hole so you can run wires!
Ya ya, we know you are for the change.
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| | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2024 17:28 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
All of the element numbers are gone and now it’s going to be harder to find the
specific variant.
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+1
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This catalog project was a rushed and stupid idea.
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+2
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Merging parts did not move element numbers over because the merging process doesn’t
come with that built into it. Was that something that site admin considered before
this bright idea? Nope. Why bother ensuring a smooth transition when you can
carry on without a plan in mind? After all, that seems to be par for site administration.
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+3
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Listening to community complaints? A waste of time.
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+4
| | Improving site functionality? A bigger waste of time.
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+5
| | Considering that a project of this scale would undermine years of progress and
effort from your catalog administrators and community members? An even bigger
waste of time.
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+1000
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Then, catalog administrators and community members have to clean the mess up.
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You are soooooooo right!
This whole thing was a “super waste”
Not good.
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| | | | | Author: | RebelliousBrick | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2024 17:29 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
All of the element numbers are gone and now it’s going to be harder to find the
specific variant.
This catalog project was a rushed and stupid idea.
Merging parts did not move element numbers over because the merging process doesn’t
come with that built into it. Was that something that site admin considered before
this bright idea? Nope. Why bother ensuring a smooth transition when you can
carry on without a plan in mind? After all, that seems to be par for site administration.
Listening to community complaints? A waste of time.
Improving site functionality? A bigger waste of time.
Considering that a project of this scale would undermine years of progress and
effort from your catalog administrators and community members? An even bigger
waste of time.
Then, catalog administrators and community members have to clean the mess up.
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Because they are functionally the exact same part....
The only difference was the number of teeth on the hinge.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2024 17:39 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 85 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, RebelliousBrick writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
All of the element numbers are gone and now it’s going to be harder to find the
specific variant.
This catalog project was a rushed and stupid idea.
Merging parts did not move element numbers over because the merging process doesn’t
come with that built into it. Was that something that site admin considered before
this bright idea? Nope. Why bother ensuring a smooth transition when you can
carry on without a plan in mind? After all, that seems to be par for site administration.
Listening to community complaints? A waste of time.
Improving site functionality? A bigger waste of time.
Considering that a project of this scale would undermine years of progress and
effort from your catalog administrators and community members? An even bigger
waste of time.
Then, catalog administrators and community members have to clean the mess up.
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Because they are functionally the exact same part....
The only difference was the number of teeth on the hinge.
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I my experience the more teeth the more weight a arm will hold
With the variant with less teeth in the position with no teeth in the middle
of the hinge part, it is weaker.
If you don’t get what I’m saying I can give pics.
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| | | | | Author: | WOLKsite | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2024 18:51 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 94 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | Merging parts did not move element numbers over because the merging process doesn’t
come with that built into it. Was that something that site admin considered before
this bright idea? Nope. Why bother ensuring a smooth transition when you can
carry on without a plan in mind? After all, that seems to be par for site administration.
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Yikes :v That's really concerning.
You know Bricklink really, sincerely cares about it's volunteer catalog contributors,
though, right? /s
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2024 19:33 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 125 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
All of the element numbers are gone and now it’s going to be harder to find the
specific variant.
This catalog project was a rushed and stupid idea.
Merging parts did not move element numbers over because the merging process doesn’t
come with that built into it. Was that something that site admin considered before
this bright idea? Nope. Why bother ensuring a smooth transition when you can
carry on without a plan in mind? After all, that seems to be par for site administration.
Listening to community complaints? A waste of time.
Improving site functionality? A bigger waste of time.
Considering that a project of this scale would undermine years of progress and
effort from your catalog administrators and community members? An even bigger
waste of time.
Then, catalog administrators and community members have to clean the mess up.
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44302a and 44302b were not supposed to be merged! What the heck?!?!
We were specifically told that only the 7-teeth and 9-teeth hinges would be merged,
which meant 44302b should have only been merged with 54657.
44302a and 44302b were isolated because one has a groove and one doesn't,
and nothing with grooves was supposed to be merged.
This is definitely a catastrophe for and a big middle finger to all of the contributors
who did all of the work separating out those variants over the years. What an
absolute nightmare. 
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| | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2024 20:33 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 121 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | 44302a and 44302b were not supposed to be merged! What the heck?!?!
We were specifically told that only the 7-teeth and 9-teeth hinges would be merged,
which meant 44302b should have only been merged with 54657.
44302a and 44302b were isolated because one has a groove and one doesn't,
and nothing with grooves was supposed to be merged.
This is definitely a catastrophe for and a big middle finger to all of the contributors
who did all of the work separating out those variants over the years. What an
absolute nightmare.
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Yet they forgot to merge 44301 and 44302… 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 00:10 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 131 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | Yet they forgot to merge 44301 and 44302…
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Done. Merged!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 00:43 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 01:24 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 108 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, UTLF writes:
| | Is this how babby is formed?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_test
It's not what it represents (nothing), but it's what you're seeing
which is interesting 
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Yo_Yo_Flamingo | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 15:55 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 114 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | Yet they forgot to merge 44301 and 44302…
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Done. Merged!
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....You had to color code them and everything, eh?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 16:12 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | Yet they forgot to merge 44301 and 44302…
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Done. Merged!
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....You had to color code them and everything, eh?
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Subtlety isn’t his forte.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 16:23 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | (Cancelled) |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 16:27 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 107 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | Yet they forgot to merge 44301 and 44302…
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Done. Merged!
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....You had to color code them and everything, eh?
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Subtlety isn’t his forte.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Mar 9, 2024 22:06 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
Nice assembly.
44301c69?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 10, 2024 13:57 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
Nice assembly.
44301c69?
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c69 also, but it's not the version which's represented 
But it's a specialist thing, majority of people use the basic coupling.
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| | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 07:50 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 102 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
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44302a and 44302b were not supposed to be merged! What the heck?!?!
We were specifically told that only the 7-teeth and 9-teeth hinges would be merged,
which meant 44302b should have only been merged with 54657.
44302a and 44302b were isolated because one has a groove and one doesn't,
and nothing with grooves was supposed to be merged.
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I agree. If LEGO released a part variant today with a groove on one side for
any plate, I would be adding it to the Catalog as a new part.
I believe this oversight should be addressed and corrected as soon as possible.
Please, BrickLink, restore specifically the grooved variant of this part.
Thanks,
~Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 08:31 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
All of the element numbers are gone and now it’s going to be harder to find the
specific variant.
This catalog project was a rushed and stupid idea.
Merging parts did not move element numbers over because the merging process doesn’t
come with that built into it. Was that something that site admin considered before
this bright idea? Nope. Why bother ensuring a smooth transition when you can
carry on without a plan in mind? After all, that seems to be par for site administration.
Listening to community complaints? A waste of time.
Improving site functionality? A bigger waste of time.
Considering that a project of this scale would undermine years of progress and
effort from your catalog administrators and community members? An even bigger
waste of time.
Then, catalog administrators and community members have to clean the mess up.
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44302a and 44302b were not supposed to be merged! What the heck?!?!
We were specifically told that only the 7-teeth and 9-teeth hinges would be merged,
which meant 44302b should have only been merged with 54657.
44302a and 44302b were isolated because one has a groove and one doesn't,
and nothing with grooves was supposed to be merged.
This is definitely a catastrophe for and a big middle finger to all of the contributors
who did all of the work separating out those variants over the years. What an
absolute nightmare.
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Let’s just say Russell is getting out of control! This is ridiculous!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 12:44 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | (Cancelled) |
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| | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2024 22:14 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 226 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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ID CardAdmin_Russell
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Location:  USA, California |
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| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
All of the element numbers are gone and now it’s going to be harder to find the
specific variant.
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They are all here. They have to be added manually after the merge has run its
course. Because of a bug in the PCC upload process, it can be really tedious
to add many of these at once, so I break up the process a bit to keep my sanity:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?itemType=P&itemNo=44302&v=2
If you spot some that are missing, please file a request to add them. Same thing
with any alternate part numbers. I am adding all original numbers as alternate
numbers so there shouldn't be any trouble with people finding things.
And for the other comments in this thread with concerns that the project is being
executed in a careless or haphazard way, I am working line by line through a
spreadsheet that was prepared and proofread weeks ago. Nothing has been merged
by mistake, and nothing will be.
Sometimes I will do things out of order, or leave a section partially done. This
is because of time (and I am quite behind on the project already) and because
of some technical limitations of the merge feature. There are several "big"
parts where I will need help from a developer to complete the merge without jeopardizing
site performance.
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| | | | | | | Author: | here4bricks614 | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2024 22:15 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 116 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
All of the element numbers are gone and now it’s going to be harder to find the
specific variant.
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They are all here. They have to be added manually after the merge has run its
course. Because of a bug in the PCC upload process, it can be really tedious
to add many of these at once, so I break up the process a bit to keep my sanity:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?itemType=P&itemNo=44302&v=2
If you spot some that are missing, please file a request to add them. Same thing
with any alternate part numbers. I am adding all original numbers as alternate
numbers so there shouldn't be any trouble with people finding things.
And for the other comments in this thread with concerns that the project is being
executed in a careless or haphazard way, I am working line by line through a
spreadsheet that was prepared and proofread weeks ago. Nothing has been merged
by mistake, and nothing will be.
Sometimes I will do things out of order, or leave a section partially done. This
is because of time (and I am quite behind on the project already) and because
of some technical limitations of the merge feature. There are several "big"
parts where I will need help from a developer to complete the merge without jeopardizing
site performance.
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Why were the grooved variants merged?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2024 22:22 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 175 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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BrickLink
ID CardAdmin_Russell
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| Location: USA, California |
| Member Since |
Contact |
Type |
Status |
| May 9, 2017 |
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Admin |
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| BrickLink Administrator |
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| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
All of the element numbers are gone and now it’s going to be harder to find the
specific variant.
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They are all here. They have to be added manually after the merge has run its
course. Because of a bug in the PCC upload process, it can be really tedious
to add many of these at once, so I break up the process a bit to keep my sanity:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?itemType=P&itemNo=44302&v=2
If you spot some that are missing, please file a request to add them. Same thing
with any alternate part numbers. I am adding all original numbers as alternate
numbers so there shouldn't be any trouble with people finding things.
And for the other comments in this thread with concerns that the project is being
executed in a careless or haphazard way, I am working line by line through a
spreadsheet that was prepared and proofread weeks ago. Nothing has been merged
by mistake, and nothing will be.
Sometimes I will do things out of order, or leave a section partially done. This
is because of time (and I am quite behind on the project already) and because
of some technical limitations of the merge feature. There are several "big"
parts where I will need help from a developer to complete the merge without jeopardizing
site performance.
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Why were the grooved variants merged?
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Because they were on the list from the beginning:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2629
The reason they got on the list is because they are not classified as cosmetic
variants or typical grooved parts. The groove became apparent when the teeth
on the hinges was being examined, and the grooves were distinguished for the
same reason as the teeth. But when we remove the reason for recognizing the teeth,
we also remove the reason for recognizing the groove.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | here4bricks614 | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2024 22:33 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 119 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| BrickLink does not believe itself to be a historical resource anymore. Surely
this means we’ll be getting rid of the (objectively useless) x000 part IDs?
Grooved variants were added to help users find what they need. What’s stopping
the rest of the grooved variants from being merged in the near future? This sorry
excuse of a project sets this precedent and introduces a slippery slope that
seriously undermines community trust.
Why are other issues that were “addressed” years ago still on the shelf without
solutions? Why does site admin insist on following through with inconsistent
changes that have proven themselves to be wildly unpopular? (Apart from the four
Yes-men lurking in the catalog)
Where is the Rust solution? Where is the Light Pink solution?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 04:32 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 109 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Well spoken, though I fear few are truly listening and understanding what you
are saying .
And those that do, have given up.....
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | enig | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 08:42 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StarBrick writes:
| | Well spoken, though I fear few are truly listening and understanding what you
are saying .
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And those that do, have given up.....
This.
And then all of a sudden
'no one complains so we must be doing a real fine job'.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 08:57 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, enig writes:
| | In Catalog, StarBrick writes:
| | Well spoken, though I fear few are truly listening and understanding what you
are saying .
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And those that do, have given up.....
This.
And then all of a sudden
'no one complains so we must be doing a real fine job'.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Dino | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 09:10 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, enig writes:
| | In Catalog, StarBrick writes:
| | Well spoken, though I fear few are truly listening and understanding what you
are saying .
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And those that do, have given up.....
This.
And then all of a sudden
'no one complains so we must be doing a real fine job'.
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+1
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | oukexergon | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 16:15 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, enig writes:
| | In Catalog, StarBrick writes:
| | Well spoken, though I fear few are truly listening and understanding what you
are saying .
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And those that do, have given up.....
This.
And then all of a sudden
'no one complains so we must be doing a real fine job'.
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Yes, this is a problem. People are out of energy, after emotionally and thoroughly
trying to make their voices heard. I tried raising several issues but besides
being ignored and given non-arguments by 1001bricks and one other use, and desperately
and repeatedly so by the same individuals who responded to *everyone* with the
same words ("whatever, most people don't care"--with absolutely
no way of knowing this to be true and with every bit of evidence pointing in
the other direction), it otherwise seems the loud majority that came to this
forum to say something was completely ignored and not responded to. Granted Russell
responded to some and even to me eventually. In my case he didn't address
the concerns raised, it's still insane to me that BL merged 46212 into 2454,
it makes no sense to do so, no one asked for it, and it defies part usages, aesthetics,
etc. Similar concerns exist on many other parts considered for merging. Even
with minimal concerns on a part being merged, there is no need to merge them.
I already had to specify I wanted a sprue mark on a tan chair, and this is the
least important distinction being erased, from my calculation.
This is a huge mistake. It is literally erasing chunks of the site's market
usability, chunks of its historical value, and countless hours of effort by countless
site users on a whim. For nothing. BL will survive just fine this time, but if
another batch of merges ever comes, at least they will lose my business.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 16:27 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 91 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | In Catalog, enig writes:
| | In Catalog, StarBrick writes:
| | Well spoken, though I fear few are truly listening and understanding what you
are saying .
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And those that do, have given up.....
This.
And then all of a sudden
'no one complains so we must be doing a real fine job'.
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Yes, this is a problem. People are out of energy, after emotionally and thoroughly
trying to make their voices heard. I tried raising several issues but besides
being ignored and given non-arguments by 1001bricks and one other use, and desperately
and repeatedly so by the same individuals who responded to *everyone* with the
same words ("whatever, most people don't care"--with absolutely
no way of knowing this to be true and with every bit of evidence pointing in
the other direction)
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70K+ orders, 30K+ buyers, hundreds LEGO AFOLs, MOC builders, casual fans met
in person.
Of course, I have no "proof" (at least, to show you).
But instead, maybe you've forgotten the essence of LEGO: to build, play,
represent or recreate the world, every day and nowadays?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | oukexergon | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 16:41 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | 70K+ orders, 30K+ buyers, hundreds LEGO AFOLs, MOC builders, casual fans met
in person.
Of course, I have no "proof" (at least, to show you).
But instead, maybe you've forgotten the essence of LEGO: to build, play,
represent or recreate the world, every day and nowadays?
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Case in point, the same tiresome argument. I'm not going to go in circles
again: you know full well you have no idea what any of those people actually
believe on this issue. It's literally impossible unless you have conducted
a secret survey of all those individuals you interacted with. Even then, it would
be anecdotal, since anyone can speak from experience. I can even guarantee you
that if any, absolutely any, of those individuals were to try to complete an
old set, they would prefer to complete it with the right part, not with a newer
version or a different part. Unfortunately for the dialogue on this site and
everyone putting up with this repeated argument, *you wouldn't ever know
if you are not in the business of distinguishing these parts to begin with*.
It's really not that complicated to understand, but you keep going on and
on about knowing how most people feel about this merger without knowing a thing.
This is the last time I'll point out the absurdity of this argument--you
will just keep repeating it no matter how absurd it may be.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 16:44 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | In Catalog, enig writes:
| | In Catalog, StarBrick writes:
| | Well spoken, though I fear few are truly listening and understanding what you
are saying .
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And those that do, have given up.....
This.
And then all of a sudden
'no one complains so we must be doing a real fine job'.
|
Yes, this is a problem. People are out of energy, after emotionally and thoroughly
trying to make their voices heard. I tried raising several issues but besides
being ignored and given non-arguments by 1001bricks and one other use, and desperately
and repeatedly so by the same individuals who responded to *everyone* with the
same words ("whatever, most people don't care"--with absolutely
no way of knowing this to be true and with every bit of evidence pointing in
the other direction)
|
70K+ orders, 30K+ buyers, hundreds LEGO AFOLs, MOC builders, casual fans met
in person.
Of course, I have no "proof" (at least, to show you).
But instead, maybe you've forgotten the essence of LEGO: to build, play,
represent or recreate the world, every day and nowadays?
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What about the history? A lot of users here care about receiving the part they
ordered.
Jangbricks made a video on the variant problem with older sets, 9 years ago!!!
https://youtu.be/AfstjgilDmE?si=u6tBM_RTSm_D-7IU
Bricklink was having a problem and the problem was fixed later, but now Russell
has messed that up.
(And here is Sluggers video on the changes if you haven’t seen it)
https://youtu.be/aGRxNX8Cg_o?si=FJgF2DawpHV0SNeb
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 17:05 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | What about the history? A lot of users here care about receiving the part they
ordered.
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ALL users care to receive what they've ordered.
But very few are interested in 20+ years old parts.
Similarly, Latin's important, I love Latin, and History (including LEGO previous
production).
But how many are interested in Latin language, like... for every day use?
A very few.
At the contrary, how many are today interested in speaking Italian, French, Spanish,
Portuguese...?
Tons.
I participate to (or create) sets/MOCs every week.
I've never have been interested in 3068 Without Groove, or such rare and
ultra expensive version parts (half of their lots being an error or a rip off).
If I need an old version, I rebuild differently until I don't need an old
version.
People are building with LEGO, fewer are collecting - sorry to say.
| | Jangbricks made a video
And here is Sluggers video
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I read 20 times faster.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 17:12 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | What about the history? A lot of users here care about receiving the part they
ordered.
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ALL users care to receive what they've ordered.
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+1
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But very few are interested in 20+ years old parts.
Similarly, Latin's important, I love Latin, and History (including LEGO previous
production).
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Hey, I enjoy Latin and history too, especially LEGO history.
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I've never have been interested in 3068 Without Groove, or such rare and
ultra expensive version parts (half of their lots being an error or a rip off).
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The without grove variant is very good for hiding a tile if you are trying to
make a hidden function.
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If I need an old version, I rebuild differently until I don't need an old
version.
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Sometimes that can be done, other time you just can’t.
| | People are building with LEGO, fewer are collecting - sorry to say.
| | Jangbricks made a video
And here is Sluggers video
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I read 20 times faster.
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Speed!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | leopard37 | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 19:49 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | What about the history? A lot of users here care about receiving the part they
ordered.
|
ALL users care to receive what they've ordered.
But very few are interested in 20+ years old parts.
Similarly, Latin's important, I love Latin, and History (including LEGO previous
production).
But how many are interested in Latin language, like... for every day use?
A very few.
At the contrary, how many are today interested in speaking Italian, French, Spanish,
Portuguese...?
Tons.
I participate to (or create) sets/MOCs every week.
I've never have been interested in 3068 Without Groove, or such rare and
ultra expensive version parts (half of their lots being an error or a rip off).
If I need an old version, I rebuild differently until I don't need an old
version.
People are building with LEGO, fewer are collecting - sorry to say.
| | Jangbricks made a video
And here is Sluggers video
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I read 20 times faster.
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You only deal in new parts of course your customers don't care if it's
a 20 year old part, they aren't looking for it. Other stores are making good
money selling used 20 year old parts that now can not be found.
You my sir are very narrow minded.
Tyson.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 19:52 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, leopard37 writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | What about the history? A lot of users here care about receiving the part they
ordered.
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ALL users care to receive what they've ordered.
But very few are interested in 20+ years old parts.
Similarly, Latin's important, I love Latin, and History (including LEGO previous
production).
But how many are interested in Latin language, like... for every day use?
A very few.
At the contrary, how many are today interested in speaking Italian, French, Spanish,
Portuguese...?
Tons.
I participate to (or create) sets/MOCs every week.
I've never have been interested in 3068 Without Groove, or such rare and
ultra expensive version parts (half of their lots being an error or a rip off).
If I need an old version, I rebuild differently until I don't need an old
version.
People are building with LEGO, fewer are collecting - sorry to say.
| | Jangbricks made a video
And here is Sluggers video
|
I read 20 times faster.
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You only deal in new parts of course your customers don't care if it's
a 20 year old part, they aren't looking for it. Other stores are making good
money selling used 20 year old parts that now can not be found.
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+1
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You my sir are very narrow minded.
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Be respectful I know you are upset, and so am I, but you don’t want to fight
with him.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 20:09 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 94 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | leopard37 | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 20:20 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, UTLF writes:
| | | | Be respectful I know you are upset, and so am I, but you don’t want to fight with him.
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I think the fight would be an easy win, he IS from France after all...
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You dropped this
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 10:11 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, leopard37 writes:
| | In Catalog, UTLF writes:
| | | | Be respectful I know you are upset, and so am I, but you don’t want to fight with him.
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I think the fight would be an easy win, he IS from France after all...
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You dropped this
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 10:11 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, UTLF writes:
| | | | Be respectful I know you are upset, and so am I, but you don’t want to fight with him.
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I think the fight would be an easy win, he IS from France after all...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 16:39 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | BL will survive just fine this time, but if
another batch of merges ever comes, at least they will lose my business.
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Yet another user making another empty, histrionic threat. It's almost a script
at this point.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | oukexergon | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 16:45 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | | | BL will survive just fine this time, but if
another batch of merges ever comes, at least they will lose my business.
|
Yet another user making another empty, histrionic threat. It's almost a script
at this point.
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Threat? How is this a threat? The site will literally lose its value if it continues
down this path (not saying it has yet). In the end people will need a different
source to complete sets accurately.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 16:47 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | | | BL will survive just fine this time, but if
another batch of merges ever comes, at least they will lose my business.
|
Yet another user making another empty, histrionic threat. It's almost a script
at this point.
|
Threat? How is this a threat? The site will literally lose its value if it continues
down this path (not saying it has yet). In the end people will need a different
source to complete sets accurately.
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+1 we want period appropriate parts for our sets!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 16:56 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | | | BL will survive just fine this time, but if
another batch of merges ever comes, at least they will lose my business.
|
Yet another user making another empty, histrionic threat. It's almost a script
at this point.
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Threat? How is this a threat? The site will literally lose its value if it continues
down this path (not saying it has yet).
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If you literally can't understand how you threatening to stop shopping here
is a considered a threat. I can't help you.
| | In the end people will need a different source to complete sets accurately.
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Ok. I sort of agree with that point, but I don't get the emotional gyrations.
It is what it is. You don't own the site.
You and the other, 10 ish people who are super upset could be putting all that
energy and time into creating that if it matters as much as you all insist. But
no, time is better spent complaining. Per usual.
Crystal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Tracyd | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 17:03 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | | | BL will survive just fine this time, but if
another batch of merges ever comes, at least they will lose my business.
|
Yet another user making another empty, histrionic threat. It's almost a script
at this point.
|
Threat? How is this a threat? The site will literally lose its value if it continues
down this path (not saying it has yet).
|
If you literally can't understand how you threatening to stop shopping here
is a considered a threat. I can't help you.
| | In the end people will need a different source to complete sets accurately.
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Ok. I sort of agree with that point, but I don't get the emotional gyrations.
It is what it is. You don't own the site.
You and the other, 10 ish people who are super upset could be putting all that
energy and time into creating that if it matters as much as you all insist. But
no, time is better spent complaining. Per usual.
Crystal
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What she said. I am getting so tired of hearing the same thing over and over.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 17:07 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | You and the other, 10 ish people who are super upset could be putting all that
energy and time into creating that if it matters as much as you all insist. But
no, time is better spent complaining. Per usual.
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What she said. I am getting so tired of hearing the same thing over and over.
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Agree with you both, I'll stop here whatever the replies are.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 17:39 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 100 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | | | BL will survive just fine this time, but if
another batch of merges ever comes, at least they will lose my business.
|
Yet another user making another empty, histrionic threat. It's almost a script
at this point.
|
Threat? How is this a threat? The site will literally lose its value if it continues
down this path (not saying it has yet).
|
If you literally can't understand how you threatening to stop shopping here
is a considered a threat. I can't help you.
| | In the end people will need a different source to complete sets accurately.
|
Ok. I sort of agree with that point, but I don't get the emotional gyrations.
It is what it is. You don't own the site.
You and the other, 10 ish people who are super upset could be putting all that
energy and time into creating that if it matters as much as you all insist. But
no, time is better spent complaining. Per usual.
Crystal
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What she said. I am getting so tired of hearing the same thing over and over.
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Then ignore the posts. There is no need to respond to all of them so that you
in turn keep getting responding to. Break the cycle. Unfortunately, it seems
there are too many strong personalities here that have a hard time doing that.
The only other thing I have to say on this subject is this: people have a right
to be upset, so let them be upset and deal with the changes in their own ways.
Some go quietly, but some need to let go of it in more open displays of disappointment.
In the end, it won't matter one way or another because the changes have for
the most part been done. That means people will either move on and stay here
or just move on. There are many of us who lost a significant portion of our lives
to the merges that just occurred, and we have every right to mourn the loss of
that information and the significant time and money we poured into the obtaining
of that information for the use of the worldwide LEGO-fan community. A little
empathy will go a long way towards moving people through this time of anguish
and hurt.
And on that note, I have pretty much concluded my transition through this process.
I debated what I could, helped to save some entries from getting merged, and
I will do what I can to keep the site moving forward through the process. There
are always other things to look forward to, and I still have many accomplishments
on this site that I am very proud of (and more to come).
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 17:47 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | | | BL will survive just fine this time, but if
another batch of merges ever comes, at least they will lose my business.
|
Yet another user making another empty, histrionic threat. It's almost a script
at this point.
|
Threat? How is this a threat? The site will literally lose its value if it continues
down this path (not saying it has yet).
|
If you literally can't understand how you threatening to stop shopping here
is a considered a threat. I can't help you.
| | In the end people will need a different source to complete sets accurately.
|
Ok. I sort of agree with that point, but I don't get the emotional gyrations.
It is what it is. You don't own the site.
You and the other, 10 ish people who are super upset could be putting all that
energy and time into creating that if it matters as much as you all insist. But
no, time is better spent complaining. Per usual.
Crystal
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What she said. I am getting so tired of hearing the same thing over and over.
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Then ignore the posts.
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+1
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The only other thing I have to say on this subject is this: people have a right
to be upset, so let them be upset and deal with the changes in their own ways.
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 it hard sometimes.
| | Some go quietly, but some need to let go of it in more open displays of disappointment.
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That would be most of the people on the forum.
| | In the end, it won't matter one way or another because the changes have for
the most part been done. That means people will either move on and stay here
or just move on. There are many of us who lost a significant portion of our lives
to the merges that just occurred, and we have every right to mourn the loss of
that information and the significant time and money we poured into the obtaining
of that information for the use of the worldwide LEGO-fan community. A little
empathy will go a long way towards moving people through this time of anguish
and hurt.
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It’s hard to let go of over 2 decades of work and money.
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And on that note, I have pretty much concluded my transition through this process.
I debated what I could, helped to save some entries from getting merged, and
I will do what I can to keep the site moving forward through the process.
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Thank you so much Randy!! Your work is greatly appreciated!🙏
| | There are always other things to look forward to, and I still have many accomplishments
on this site that I am very proud of (and more to come).
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Good to hear!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 21:21 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 108 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | There are many of us who lost a significant portion of our lives
to the merges that just occurred, and we have every right to mourn the loss of
that information and the significant time and money we poured into the obtaining
of that information for the use of the worldwide LEGO-fan community.
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I came a hair's breadth from losing my marriage recently and the time I have
poured into Bricklink was a major factor in it. Less than a hair's breadth.
She left for 70 days. So in any case, I have to cut back. But what I cut back
would have been a lot more difficult to decide without this coming along at the
same time. It stings VERY MUCH. VERY MUCH. To find out that they don't
even value what I was doing. I almost lost my family doing a labor that I believed
would help the community, but it won't because the leaders of the community
threw it in garbage half done.
It doesn't look like the vitriol in these thread got directed at me personally,
but to read someone saying "Hey it wasn't your decision. Don't be
so entitled" feels very personal.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 21:44 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 151 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | There are many of us who lost a significant portion of our lives
to the merges that just occurred, and we have every right to mourn the loss of
that information and the significant time and money we poured into the obtaining
of that information for the use of the worldwide LEGO-fan community.
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I came a hair's breadth from losing my marriage recently and the time I have
poured into Bricklink was a major factor in it. Less than a hair's breadth.
She left for 70 days. So in any case, I have to cut back. But what I cut back
would have been a lot more difficult to decide without this coming along at the
same time. It stings VERY MUCH. VERY MUCH. To find out that they don't
even value what I was doing. I almost lost my family doing a labor that I believed
would help the community, but it won't because the leaders of the community
threw it in garbage half done.
It doesn't look like the vitriol in these thread got directed at me personally,
but to read someone saying "Hey it wasn't your decision. Don't be
so entitled" feels very personal.
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Your contributions over the years can best be termed as staggering. I said it
in the past during one of the catalog team building phases, that if they were
able to bring you onboard, it would complete the Catalog Dream-Team. I recall
your reply as something like "they better have strong rope" I now perhaps
understand why not...
Look to your marriage
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | There are many of us who lost a significant portion of our lives
to the merges that just occurred, and we have every right to mourn the loss of
that information and the significant time and money we poured into the obtaining
of that information for the use of the worldwide LEGO-fan community.
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I came a hair's breadth from losing my marriage recently and the time I have
poured into Bricklink was a major factor in it. Less than a hair's breadth.
She left for 70 days. So in any case, I have to cut back. But what I cut back
would have been a lot more difficult to decide without this coming along at the
same time. It stings VERY MUCH. VERY MUCH. To find out that they don't
even value what I was doing. I almost lost my family doing a labor that I believed
would help the community, but it won't because the leaders of the community
threw it in garbage half done.
It doesn't look like the vitriol in these thread got directed at me personally,
but to read someone saying "Hey it wasn't your decision. Don't be
so entitled" feels very personal.
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I respect you, so please don't view anything I say negatively.
I personally, don't understand why people keep complaining, and then KEEP
HELPING. Like if a person IRL doesn't respect your opinion, or time, continuing
to give that person your advice and time, is honestly not healthy. At all.
I appreciate your honesty here. I admit I see low key signs of addiction to the
site (and/or the product) in many many Lego users, including many popular youtubers
and bricklink store owners. It seems alot of you (general you) get stuck
obsessing over this place, and then freak out when something out of your control
happens. The whole thing looks irrational to myself and several other users and
we aren't trying to pick on you guys, but its honestly the very concerning
(to me personally at least) to see people get SO upset, over what in reality
is not a big deal.
I know I come off as blunt and uncarring, but really I know, at least I am personally
responding the same way I would if someone in real life was freaking out, try
to point of they are overreacting.
Anyway in closing, if the merge (or anything I've seen people get upset about
over the years) causes so much emotional anguish that you (general) can't
let it go, its time to go touch grass, and I mean that in a kind way. Honestly
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| In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | There are many of us who lost a significant portion of our lives
to the merges that just occurred, and we have every right to mourn the loss of
that information and the significant time and money we poured into the obtaining
of that information for the use of the worldwide LEGO-fan community.
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I came a hair's breadth from losing my marriage recently and the time I have
poured into Bricklink was a major factor in it. Less than a hair's breadth.
She left for 70 days. So in any case, I have to cut back. But what I cut back
would have been a lot more difficult to decide without this coming along at the
same time. It stings VERY MUCH. VERY MUCH. To find out that they don't
even value what I was doing. I almost lost my family doing a labor that I believed
would help the community, but it won't because the leaders of the community
threw it in garbage half done.
It doesn't look like the vitriol in these thread got directed at me personally,
but to read someone saying "Hey it wasn't your decision. Don't be
so entitled" feels very personal.
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I respect you, so please don't view anything I say negatively.
I personally, don't understand why people keep complaining, and then KEEP
HELPING. Like if a person IRL doesn't respect your opinion, or time, continuing
to give that person your advice and time, is honestly not healthy. At all.
I appreciate your honesty here. I admit I see low key signs of addiction to the
site (and/or the product) in many many Lego users, including many popular youtubers
and bricklink store owners. It seems alot of you (general you) get stuck
obsessing over this place, and then freak out when something out of your control
happens. The whole thing looks irrational to myself and several other users and
we aren't trying to pick on you guys, but its honestly the very concerning
(to me personally at least) to see people get SO upset, over what in reality
is not a big deal.
I know I come off as blunt and uncarring, but really I know, at least I am personally
responding the same way I would if someone in real life was freaking out, try
to point of they are overreacting.
Anyway in closing, if the merge (or anything I've seen people get upset about
over the years) causes so much emotional anguish that you (general) can't
let it go, its time to go touch grass, and I mean that in a kind way. Honestly
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Back in the late 2000's I was heavily active in the forums. So heavily that
at one point I was the #2 poster in the forums. Ahead of forum overseers'
(who were a lot more active then than now) and all but 1 of the catalog admins.
It was a problem, so I took a break, a dark age for BL but not for Lego. I
try to be sporadic in here, but this issue with the variants has people thinking
their opinion is the most important and that is the one that should be followed.
I do respect and appreciate all, and the other catalog contributors have done
for BL, but you knew it was unpaid and that any contribution became theirs to
use as they see fit. If you are unhappy and it is affecting your life, then stop.
Yes, your work will be missed, but your well-being and sanity is far more important
than bits of plastic. And in the grand scheme of things that is what Lego is,
bits of plastic. Some more interesting than others, but still bits of plastic
and fighting over them is pointless really. To put it in perspective, your name
will still be in the contribution section of BL as long as it exists, but the
names of the people who built other things are forgotten. Who built the Brooklyn
Bridge? Not the architect, not the building firms, the names of the workers.
Forgotten, but yours will still be here. I know you weren't in it for the
glory, that you truly wanted to help and give the best information you could.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 18:48 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | I personally, don't understand why people keep complaining, and then KEEP
HELPING.
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I like it and I'm helping people that aren't involved in all of this.
But I have only bought 1 vintage set since this whole thing started and I haven't
opened the shipping box. There are several other shipping boxes with it in my
closet. I will eventually finish up with the things I have bought, but I'm
taking some time and thinking about what I want to do.
The things I have been helping with are new set inventories and that's a
somewhat different case. I have some commitments there to fulfill, but I'm
not sure about my future there either. Again, taking some time to think about
it.
My store is closed. I will have to reopen it at some point, of course. A lot
of money is invested in there. But right now I don't miss running it.
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | I personally, don't understand why people keep complaining, and then KEEP
HELPING.
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I like it and I'm helping people that aren't involved in all of this.
But I have only bought 1 vintage set since this whole thing started and I haven't
opened the shipping box. There are several other shipping boxes with it in my
closet. I will eventually finish up with the things I have bought, but I'm
taking some time and thinking about what I want to do.
The things I have been helping with are new set inventories and that's a
somewhat different case. I have some commitments there to fulfill, but I'm
not sure about my future there either. Again, taking some time to think about
it.
My store is closed. I will have to reopen it at some point, of course. A lot
of money is invested in there. But right now I don't miss running it.
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I feel so sad for what you are going through.
Similarly to your situation my grandma died about a week after the merge was
announced. So me and my family had to drop everything and drive 800km to her
funeral.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 20:59 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | Similarly to your situation my grandma died about a week after the merge was
announced.
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Sincere condolences.
But I don't think the merge has to do anything with this
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | Similarly to your situation my grandma died about a week after the merge was
announced.
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Sincere condolences.
But I don't think the merge has to do anything with this
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Isn’t past your bedtime?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 13:39 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | | | BL will survive just fine this time, but if
another batch of merges ever comes, at least they will lose my business.
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Yet another user making another empty, histrionic threat. It's almost a script
at this point.
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Threat? How is this a threat? The site will literally lose its value if it continues
down this path (not saying it has yet).
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If you literally can't understand how you threatening to stop shopping here
is a considered a threat. I can't help you.
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Ok. I sort of agree with that point, but I don't get the emotional gyrations.
It is what it is. You don't own the site.
You and the other, 10 ish people who are super upset could be putting all that
energy and time into creating that if it matters as much as you all insist. But
no, time is better spent complaining. Per usual.
Crystal
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What she said. I am getting so tired of hearing the same thing over and over.
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Then ignore the posts. There is no need to respond to all of them so that you
in turn keep getting responding to. Break the cycle. Unfortunately, it seems
there are too many strong personalities here that have a hard time doing that.
The only other thing I have to say on this subject is this: people have a right
to be upset, so let them be upset and deal with the changes in their own ways.
Some go quietly, but some need to let go of it in more open displays of disappointment.
In the end, it won't matter one way or another because the changes have for
the most part been done. That means people will either move on and stay here
or just move on. There are many of us who lost a significant portion of our lives
to the merges that just occurred, and we have every right to mourn the loss of
that information and the significant time and money we poured into the obtaining
of that information for the use of the worldwide LEGO-fan community. A little
empathy will go a long way towards moving people through this time of anguish
and hurt.
And on that note, I have pretty much concluded my transition through this process.
I debated what I could, helped to save some entries from getting merged, and
I will do what I can to keep the site moving forward through the process. There
are always other things to look forward to, and I still have many accomplishments
on this site that I am very proud of (and more to come).
Cheers,
Randy
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I agree 100% you your "just ignore" it sentiment, but as you know from
deep inside yourself from your own posts, it's really hard to do that sometimes.
I've been posting since 2017, a large swath of that I ignored alot of this.
Sales picked up and I'm here more again. Perhaps I need to just have a different
tab open when pulling orders.
Anyway, I'm human and care when people are upset. Unfortunately my way of
doing that (reality checks) is admittedly not a method that works on more emotionally
based types, but in defense of myself, does work on my thinking based personalities.
Either way, closing tab.
Crystal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 22:15 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | Anyway, I'm human and care when people are upset. Unfortunately my way of
doing that (reality checks) is admittedly not a method that works on more emotionally
based types, but in defense of myself, does work on my thinking based personalities.
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Randy, if only we were thinking based personalities.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | oukexergon | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 17:14 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | | | BL will survive just fine this time, but if
another batch of merges ever comes, at least they will lose my business.
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Yet another user making another empty, histrionic threat. It's almost a script
at this point.
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Threat? How is this a threat? The site will literally lose its value if it continues
down this path (not saying it has yet).
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If you literally can't understand how you threatening to stop shopping here
is a considered a threat. I can't help you.
| | In the end people will need a different source to complete sets accurately.
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Ok. I sort of agree with that point, but I don't get the emotional gyrations.
It is what it is. You don't own the site.
You and the other, 10 ish people who are super upset could be putting all that
energy and time into creating that if it matters as much as you all insist. But
no, time is better spent complaining. Per usual.
Crystal
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It's not a threat because it's not in any way implying vindictiveness.
When the utility of the site erodes beyond a certain point, my business will
simply have to go elsewhere. I keep saying we're not there yet, but it's
worthwhile reflecting on the culture/direction these changes represent and how
that will affect the bottom line of BL and its sellers in general. In fact, as
many have argued, a LOT of business for the deleted parts will inevitably go
to B&Ps (something not unlikely by design). There is no threat here, it's
just how businesses work.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 17:16 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | | | BL will survive just fine this time, but if
another batch of merges ever comes, at least they will lose my business.
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Yet another user making another empty, histrionic threat. It's almost a script
at this point.
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Threat? How is this a threat? The site will literally lose its value if it continues
down this path (not saying it has yet).
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If you literally can't understand how you threatening to stop shopping here
is a considered a threat. I can't help you.
| | In the end people will need a different source to complete sets accurately.
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Ok. I sort of agree with that point, but I don't get the emotional gyrations.
It is what it is. You don't own the site.
You and the other, 10 ish people who are super upset could be putting all that
energy and time into creating that if it matters as much as you all insist. But
no, time is better spent complaining. Per usual.
Crystal
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It's not a threat because it's not in any way implying vindictiveness.
When the utility of the site erodes beyond a certain point, my business will
simply have to go elsewhere. I keep saying we're not there yet, but it's
worthwhile reflecting on the culture/direction these changes represent and how
that will affect the bottom line of BL and its sellers in general. In fact, as
many have argued, a LOT of business for the deleted parts will inevitably go
to B&Ps (something not unlikely by design). There is no threat here, it's
just how businesses work.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Tracyd | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 10:22 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | BrickLink does not believe itself to be a historical resource anymore. Surely
this means we’ll be getting rid of the (objectively useless) x000 part IDs?
Grooved variants were added to help users find what they need. What’s stopping
the rest of the grooved variants from being merged in the near future? This sorry
excuse of a project sets this precedent and introduces a slippery slope that
seriously undermines community trust.
Why are other issues that were “addressed” years ago still on the shelf without
solutions? Why does site admin insist on following through with inconsistent
changes that have proven themselves to be wildly unpopular? (Apart from the four
Yes-men lurking in the catalog)
Where is the Rust solution? Where is the Light Pink solution?
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Dan did not originate Bricklink to be a historical resource. I saw his posts
in the forums when it was brought up long before you knew this site existed.
He established Bricklink to facilitate buying and selling Lego parts and sets.
The fact that people put a lot of work into identifying differences made it
into a historical resource, but that was not the intent. Lego has become far
more mainstream today than ever before, but most of the newcomers have no idea
about variants and just want to buy what they want or need, without the confusing
variants. For the people who really care about a variant, there will still be
stores who break them out and will sell them to those who care or need them.
I do recognize all the work that people put in as volunteers to identify and
establish the variants and I do respect their work. It would be nice to have
a variant page/section for reference and to recognize the work they put into
it.
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| In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | BrickLink does not believe itself to be a historical resource anymore. Surely
this means we’ll be getting rid of the (objectively useless) x000 part IDs?
Grooved variants were added to help users find what they need. What’s stopping
the rest of the grooved variants from being merged in the near future? This sorry
excuse of a project sets this precedent and introduces a slippery slope that
seriously undermines community trust.
Why are other issues that were “addressed” years ago still on the shelf without
solutions? Why does site admin insist on following through with inconsistent
changes that have proven themselves to be wildly unpopular? (Apart from the four
Yes-men lurking in the catalog)
Where is the Rust solution? Where is the Light Pink solution?
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Dan did not originate Bricklink to be a historical resource. I saw his posts
in the forums when it was brought up long before you knew this site existed.
He established Bricklink to facilitate buying and selling Lego parts and sets.
The fact that people put a lot of work into identifying differences made it
into a historical resource, but that was not the intent. Lego has become far
more mainstream today than ever before, but most of the newcomers have no idea
about variants and just want to buy what they want or need, without the confusing
variants. For the people who really care about a variant, there will still be
stores who break them out and will sell them to those who care or need them.
I do recognize all the work that people put in as volunteers to identify and
establish the variants and I do respect their work. It would be nice to have
a variant page/section for reference and to recognize the work they put into
it.
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Knowing “what you need” is based on available information, which has now been
condensed for no good reason. The only reason I know that a set has a specific
variant is because of the work put in by catalog contributors. People aren’t
going to care anymore because the distinction isn’t being explicitly made anymore.
Defending ineptitude and inconsistency is much easier, though.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 11:02 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | Knowing “what you need” is based on available information, which has now been
condensed for no good reason. The only reason I know that a set has a specific
variant is because of the work put in by catalog contributors. People aren’t
going to care anymore because the distinction isn’t being explicitly made anymore.
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And, in that case, the distinction is no longer important as any of the merged
variants will do. That is no different to other parts where aleady known variations
are not important enough to have a catalogued variant for each.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | LeeGo73 | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 11:28 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Knowing “what you need” is based on available information, which has now been
condensed for no good reason. The only reason I know that a set has a specific
variant is because of the work put in by catalog contributors. People aren’t
going to care anymore because the distinction isn’t being explicitly made anymore.
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And, in that case, the distinction is no longer important as any of the merged
variants will do. That is no different to other parts where aleady known variations
are not important enough to have a catalogued variant for each.
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What is the functional (or visual) difference between a black 3001, 3001old and
3001special? The market for 3001old and 3001special is tiny compared to regular
3001. The vast mayority of buyers just want the 3001. Should they be merged?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 11:44 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, LeeGo73 writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Knowing “what you need” is based on available information, which has now been
condensed for no good reason. The only reason I know that a set has a specific
variant is because of the work put in by catalog contributors. People aren’t
going to care anymore because the distinction isn’t being explicitly made anymore.
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And, in that case, the distinction is no longer important as any of the merged
variants will do. That is no different to other parts where aleady known variations
are not important enough to have a catalogued variant for each.
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What is the functional (or visual) difference between a black 3001, 3001old and
3001special? The market for 3001old and 3001special is tiny compared to regular
3001. The vast mayority of buyers just want the 3001. Should they be merged?
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Why not ask the same about the (at least) four variants of 3010 that are known
but not given their own catalogue entry. Or the many known varieties of 3001
that are already merged and not recognized as different.
Personally it wouldn't bother me if the old and special 3001 are merged into
3001, but given the historic nature of that brick it would make it harder for
collectors to find non-standard variants. And since there are so few non standard
ones, having them is not stopping people finding 3001 if they have 3001 on their
wants lists.
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 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Tracyd | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 11:55 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 124 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | BrickLink does not believe itself to be a historical resource anymore. Surely
this means we’ll be getting rid of the (objectively useless) x000 part IDs?
Grooved variants were added to help users find what they need. What’s stopping
the rest of the grooved variants from being merged in the near future? This sorry
excuse of a project sets this precedent and introduces a slippery slope that
seriously undermines community trust.
Why are other issues that were “addressed” years ago still on the shelf without
solutions? Why does site admin insist on following through with inconsistent
changes that have proven themselves to be wildly unpopular? (Apart from the four
Yes-men lurking in the catalog)
Where is the Rust solution? Where is the Light Pink solution?
|
Dan did not originate Bricklink to be a historical resource. I saw his posts
in the forums when it was brought up long before you knew this site existed.
He established Bricklink to facilitate buying and selling Lego parts and sets.
The fact that people put a lot of work into identifying differences made it
into a historical resource, but that was not the intent. Lego has become far
more mainstream today than ever before, but most of the newcomers have no idea
about variants and just want to buy what they want or need, without the confusing
variants. For the people who really care about a variant, there will still be
stores who break them out and will sell them to those who care or need them.
I do recognize all the work that people put in as volunteers to identify and
establish the variants and I do respect their work. It would be nice to have
a variant page/section for reference and to recognize the work they put into
it.
|
Knowing “what you need” is based on available information, which has now been
condensed for no good reason. The only reason I know that a set has a specific
variant is because of the work put in by catalog contributors. People aren’t
going to care anymore because the distinction isn’t being explicitly made anymore.
Defending ineptitude and inconsistency is much easier, though.
|
That is just it, the VAST majority don't care. Also, because you seem to
not understand something really simple, but very important. This isn't your
site, you don't own it, you don't operate it and you don't get to
make the decisions. It is great that they still listen to the community at large,
however this is a business, and it will be run in the manner that they decide
is best for it.
And as far as ineptitude and inconsistency go, it is still here, it is still
up and running and it is still majorly successful.
If you don't like the direction, they are taking you can find another place
to buy from.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 19:47 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | Also, because you seem to
not understand something really simple, but very important. This isn't your
site, you don't own it, you don't operate it and you don't get to
make the decisions.
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20,000 images belong to me. And I figure they want more. I get to make the decisions
about that.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 20:02 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | Also, because you seem to
not understand something really simple, but very important. This isn't your
site, you don't own it, you don't operate it and you don't get to
make the decisions.
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20,000 images belong to me.
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+1
| | And I figure they want more.
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You bet they do!!! They can't seem to do the catalog work them selfs.
| | I get to make the decisions about that.
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With out you HALF of the site would not exist!!!
BL seems to think that it is the one in charge, but it's us users give this
site the free labour and massive amounts of data to keep it going.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 20:02 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | Also, because you seem to
not understand something really simple, but very important. This isn't your
site, you don't own it, you don't operate it and you don't get to
make the decisions.
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20,000 images belong to me. And I figure they want more. I get to make the decisions
about that.
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Honest question, you still retain rights to the photos submitted here?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 20:13 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 192 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | Also, because you seem to
not understand something really simple, but very important. This isn't your
site, you don't own it, you don't operate it and you don't get to
make the decisions.
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20,000 images belong to me. And I figure they want more. I get to make the decisions
about that.
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Honest question, you still retain rights to the photos submitted here?
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Didn't check, but the most often TOS are this kind:
* you agree to give them (upload) freely (in this case),
* copyright remains yours,
* but the site have full property of the uploaded image.
In short you still can ask those to be deleted, but they probably don't have
to (at least regarding terms).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 19:59 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | BrickLink does not believe itself to be a historical resource anymore. Surely
this means we’ll be getting rid of the (objectively useless) x000 part IDs?
Grooved variants were added to help users find what they need. What’s stopping
the rest of the grooved variants from being merged in the near future? This sorry
excuse of a project sets this precedent and introduces a slippery slope that
seriously undermines community trust.
Why are other issues that were “addressed” years ago still on the shelf without
solutions? Why does site admin insist on following through with inconsistent
changes that have proven themselves to be wildly unpopular? (Apart from the four
Yes-men lurking in the catalog)
Where is the Rust solution? Where is the Light Pink solution?
|
Dan did not originate Bricklink to be a historical resource. I saw his posts
in the forums when it was brought up long before you knew this site existed.
He established Bricklink to facilitate buying and selling Lego parts and sets.
The fact that people put a lot of work into identifying differences made it
into a historical resource, but that was not the intent. Lego has become far
more mainstream today than ever before, but most of the newcomers have no idea
about variants and just want to buy what they want or need, without the confusing
variants. For the people who really care about a variant, there will still be
stores who break them out and will sell them to those who care or need them.
I do recognize all the work that people put in as volunteers to identify and
establish the variants and I do respect their work. It would be nice to have
a variant page/section for reference and to recognize the work they put into
it.
|
Knowing “what you need” is based on available information, which has now been
condensed for no good reason. The only reason I know that a set has a specific
variant is because of the work put in by catalog contributors. People aren’t
going to care anymore because the distinction isn’t being explicitly made anymore.
Defending ineptitude and inconsistency is much easier, though.
|
That is just it, the VAST majority don't care. Also, because you seem to
not understand something really simple, but very important. This isn't your
site, you don't own it, you don't operate it and you don't get to
make the decisions. It is great that they still listen to the community at large,
however this is a business, and it will be run in the manner that they decide
is best for it.
And as far as ineptitude and inconsistency go, it is still here, it is still
up and running and it is still majorly successful.
If you don't like the direction, they are taking you can find another place
to buy from.
|
This x100. Thank you for saving me the effort of typing it out.
I really really get sick of the entitlement I see here when people go full rage
about, IMO, the dumbest things.
Go somewhere else if you hate it so much.
Crystal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 20:11 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | (Cancelled) |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 20:14 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | BrickLink does not believe itself to be a historical resource anymore. Surely
this means we’ll be getting rid of the (objectively useless) x000 part IDs?
Grooved variants were added to help users find what they need. What’s stopping
the rest of the grooved variants from being merged in the near future? This sorry
excuse of a project sets this precedent and introduces a slippery slope that
seriously undermines community trust.
Why are other issues that were “addressed” years ago still on the shelf without
solutions? Why does site admin insist on following through with inconsistent
changes that have proven themselves to be wildly unpopular? (Apart from the four
Yes-men lurking in the catalog)
Where is the Rust solution? Where is the Light Pink solution?
|
Dan did not originate Bricklink to be a historical resource. I saw his posts
in the forums when it was brought up long before you knew this site existed.
He established Bricklink to facilitate buying and selling Lego parts and sets.
The fact that people put a lot of work into identifying differences made it
into a historical resource, but that was not the intent. Lego has become far
more mainstream today than ever before, but most of the newcomers have no idea
about variants and just want to buy what they want or need, without the confusing
variants. For the people who really care about a variant, there will still be
stores who break them out and will sell them to those who care or need them.
I do recognize all the work that people put in as volunteers to identify and
establish the variants and I do respect their work. It would be nice to have
a variant page/section for reference and to recognize the work they put into
it.
|
Knowing “what you need” is based on available information, which has now been
condensed for no good reason. The only reason I know that a set has a specific
variant is because of the work put in by catalog contributors. People aren’t
going to care anymore because the distinction isn’t being explicitly made anymore.
Defending ineptitude and inconsistency is much easier, though.
|
That is just it, the VAST majority don't care. Also, because you seem to
not understand something really simple, but very important. This isn't your
site, you don't own it, you don't operate it and you don't get to
make the decisions. It is great that they still listen to the community at large,
however this is a business, and it will be run in the manner that they decide
is best for it.
And as far as ineptitude and inconsistency go, it is still here, it is still
up and running and it is still majorly successful.
If you don't like the direction, they are taking you can find another place
to buy from.
|
This x100. Thank you for saving me the effort of typing it out.
I really really get sick of the entitlement I see here when people go full rage
about, IMO, the dumbest things.
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Have you EVER added a item to the catalog???
It's a lot of work!! We are upset because our hours(for some months) of work
are being destoryed!
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Go somewhere else if you hate it so much.
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Easy for you to say, but some have dumped weeks of work into this site.
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Why aren't you banned yet? Christ.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 05:37 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 94 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | Dan did not originate Bricklink to be a historical resource. I saw his posts
in the forums when it was brought up long before you knew this site existed.
He established Bricklink to facilitate buying and selling Lego parts and sets.
The fact that people put a lot of work into identifying differences made it
into a historical resource, but that was not the intent.
|
I didn't know Dan. I am grateful for what he started. I think he would
be proud that it has become a lot more than he originally intended.
Amazon was intended to be a bookstore.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 07:42 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 103 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | | |
Why were the grooved variants merged?
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Because they were on the list from the beginning:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2629
The reason they got on the list is because they are not classified as cosmetic
variants or typical grooved parts. The groove became apparent when the teeth
on the hinges was being examined, and the grooves were distinguished for the
same reason as the teeth. But when we remove the reason for recognizing the teeth,
we also remove the reason for recognizing the groove.
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I am sorry but I am not following the logic here. I understood that the reason
for merging the 2 teeth variants was that they were functionally and visually
not distinct enough to matter. However, the groove is a separate issue isn't
it? Previous communication about this project has iterated that Groove / Without
Groove was not going to be affected. And now it has.
Can we please get an answer on why specifically 44302 was merged? How is the
distinction different from 44567a/b and 44301a/b?
Thanks,
~Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 12:04 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 133 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
All of the element numbers are gone and now it’s going to be harder to find the
specific variant.
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They are all here. They have to be added manually after the merge has run its
course. Because of a bug in the PCC upload process, it can be really tedious
to add many of these at once, so I break up the process a bit to keep my sanity:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?itemType=P&itemNo=44302&v=2
If you spot some that are missing, please file a request to add them. Same thing
with any alternate part numbers. I am adding all original numbers as alternate
numbers so there shouldn't be any trouble with people finding things.
And for the other comments in this thread with concerns that the project is being
executed in a careless or haphazard way, I am working line by line through a
spreadsheet that was prepared and proofread weeks ago. Nothing has been merged
by mistake, and nothing will be.
Sometimes I will do things out of order, or leave a section partially done. This
is because of time (and I am quite behind on the project already) and because
of some technical limitations of the merge feature. There are several "big"
parts where I will need help from a developer to complete the merge without jeopardizing
site performance.
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Why were the grooved variants merged?
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Because they were on the list from the beginning:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2629
The reason they got on the list is because they are not classified as cosmetic
variants or typical grooved parts. The groove became apparent when the teeth
on the hinges was being examined, and the grooves were distinguished for the
same reason as the teeth. But when we remove the reason for recognizing the teeth,
we also remove the reason for recognizing the groove.
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Just so everyone else has the complete information, here is what really happened...
The grooved (44302a) and non-grooved versions (44302b) of 44302 were separated
in the summer of 2018. The catalog admin team started talking about seven- versus
nine-tooth parts in the summer of 2020 when they were discovered, a full *two
years* later. A lot of work had been done in those two years to separate 44302a
and 44302b in inventories before the seven-tooth version of the nine-tooth 44302b
first appeared.
Therefore, what is mentioned above about the commingling of the timelines of
the "groove" and "teeth" variants is not how things actually
happened. So, yes, a ton of data was just destroyed for nothing and merged that
was not within the scope of what was talked about (grooved versus non-grooved
parts would not be affected). The fact that these were on the merge list from
the beginning shows the lack of knowledge concerning these parts.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 19:08 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 148 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | The reason they got on the list is because they are not classified as cosmetic
variants or typical grooved parts. The groove became apparent when the teeth
on the hinges was being examined, and the grooves were distinguished for the
same reason as the teeth. But when we remove the reason for recognizing the teeth,
we also remove the reason for recognizing the groove.
|
This is not the actual part in question, but this is from step 103 of 10332 and
is the second time in this build that they have stacked a grooved jumper on top
of another grooved jumper when a plate would have done. Except that they are
intentionally using the groove cosmetically.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 08:50 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | The reason they got on the list is because they are not classified as cosmetic
variants or typical grooved parts. The groove became apparent when the teeth
on the hinges was being examined, and the grooves were distinguished for the
same reason as the teeth. But when we remove the reason for recognizing the teeth,
we also remove the reason for recognizing the groove.
|
This is not the actual part in question, but this is from step 103 of 10332 and
is the second time in this build that they have stacked a grooved jumper on top
of another grooved jumper when a plate would have done. Except that they are
intentionally using the groove cosmetically.
|
“Ladies and gentlemen a functional difference has been found!”
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Mar 9, 2024 21:54 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | “Ladies and gentlemen a functional difference has been found!”
|
Well, technically I think that would be considered a cosmetic difference rather
than a functional difference, since the grooved jumper plates could simply be
replaced by regular 1 x 2 plates, but then it wouldn't look the same.
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 06:55 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 103 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Nothing has been merged
by mistake, and nothing will be.
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That's 32 sets that I fixed for you.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 08:41 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Nothing has been merged
by mistake, and nothing will be.
|
That's 32 sets that I fixed for you.
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I think we may need to change leadership some time soon.
Then Russell can be a politician
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Mar 9, 2024 21:55 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | Then Russell can be a politician
|
If Russell were a politician, he would merge Canada with the U.S.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 10, 2024 03:20 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | Then Russell can be a politician
|
If Russell were a politician, he would merge Canada with the U.S.
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And, like the merges here, most people wouldn't notice any difference.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Mar 11, 2024 00:05 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 97 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | Then Russell can be a politician
|
If Russell were a politician, he would merge Canada with the U.S.
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And, like the merges here, most people wouldn't notice any difference.
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It would be a spooky day
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 10, 2024 13:53 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | Then Russell can be a politician
|
If Russell were a politician, he would merge Canada with the U.S.
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Fair enough; there's no functional difference, just cosmetic
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 10, 2024 16:31 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | Then Russell can be a politician
|
If Russell were a politician, he would merge Canada with the U.S.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 08:10 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 113 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | And for the other comments in this thread with concerns that the project is being
executed in a careless or haphazard way, I am working line by line through a
spreadsheet that was prepared and proofread weeks ago. Nothing has been merged
by mistake, and nothing will be.
|
Line by line? Then why did several parts get merged while the decorated 2x2 tiles
are somewhere stuck halfway?
Even accepting all the inaccuracies and uncertainties that we got on our plates
over the past several weeks, I thought that at least the ONE thing that we could
sort of hold on to, was the email that you sent me outlining what was supposed
to be round one, but now even THAT turned out to be not true.
"When does it start? When does it finish? What round comes next? How many
rounds are there?" These and several other questions that I've asked
never got any answer, and I accepted that as the way it is. But the ONE thing
Bricklink could at least do, is stick to finishing round one before moving on
to the next rounds. The way all of this is going..... I couldn't make this
up. Things keep on changing and the provided reasons also keep on changing. It
is really like a lot of thought has gone into trying to make this whole process
as confusing and difficult as possible. There's really no reason I can think
of why Bricklink can't simply stick to the promised order and continue doing
the tiles, and then move on to the next rounds. (besides the obvious fact all
of this should have been a single overnight update, going live when all changes
are ready)
I guess I will again stop visiting this forum because nothing I have said has
been listened to and nothing that I've read turned out to be true. I'll
stick to the facebook group, it's much better for my mood and my sanity.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 10:49 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 112 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | And for the other comments in this thread with concerns that the project is being
executed in a careless or haphazard way, I am working line by line through a
spreadsheet that was prepared and proofread weeks ago. Nothing has been merged
by mistake, and nothing will be.
|
Line by line? Then why did several parts get merged while the decorated 2x2 tiles
are somewhere stuck halfway?
Even accepting all the inaccuracies and uncertainties that we got on our plates
over the past several weeks, I thought that at least the ONE thing that we could
sort of hold on to, was the email that you sent me outlining what was supposed
to be round one, but now even THAT turned out to be not true.
"When does it start? When does it finish? What round comes next? How many
rounds are there?" These and several other questions that I've asked
never got any answer, and I accepted that as the way it is. But the ONE thing
Bricklink could at least do, is stick to finishing round one before moving on
to the next rounds. The way all of this is going..... I couldn't make this
up. Things keep on changing and the provided reasons also keep on changing. It
is really like a lot of thought has gone into trying to make this whole process
as confusing and difficult as possible. There's really no reason I can think
of why Bricklink can't simply stick to the promised order and continue doing
the tiles, and then move on to the next rounds. (besides the obvious fact all
of this should have been a single overnight update, going live when all changes
are ready)
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You make some solid and well argued points
| |
I guess I will again stop visiting this forum
|
Heard this type of declaration many times before here in the forum, though inevitable
lacking followthrough, and therefore such carries little weight anymore. If followed
through, I for one would sadly miss your inputs and presence. So stick around
| | because nothing I have said has been listened to and nothing that I've read turned out to be true.
|
Sorry, but this is a child's position. Give more credence to my will or I'm
not playing with you guys anymore.
| | I'll stick to the facebook group, it's much better for my mood and my sanity.
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Facebook "much better for your mood and sanity?" Need to process that
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 09:15 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | As far as I know no one has received a email. I never got one
|
I got one from Russell with an overview Excel sheet outlining round 1, which
I really did appreciate at that point. It said "Please contact me with any
questions.", which I did. Guess it would have saved me time if it said "Please
don't bother if you have any questions", lol.
In Catalog, popsicle writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | And for the other comments in this thread with concerns that the project is being
executed in a careless or haphazard way, I am working line by line through a
spreadsheet that was prepared and proofread weeks ago. Nothing has been merged
by mistake, and nothing will be.
|
Line by line? Then why did several parts get merged while the decorated 2x2 tiles
are somewhere stuck halfway?
Even accepting all the inaccuracies and uncertainties that we got on our plates
over the past several weeks, I thought that at least the ONE thing that we could
sort of hold on to, was the email that you sent me outlining what was supposed
to be round one, but now even THAT turned out to be not true.
"When does it start? When does it finish? What round comes next? How many
rounds are there?" These and several other questions that I've asked
never got any answer, and I accepted that as the way it is. But the ONE thing
Bricklink could at least do, is stick to finishing round one before moving on
to the next rounds. The way all of this is going..... I couldn't make this
up. Things keep on changing and the provided reasons also keep on changing. It
is really like a lot of thought has gone into trying to make this whole process
as confusing and difficult as possible. There's really no reason I can think
of why Bricklink can't simply stick to the promised order and continue doing
the tiles, and then move on to the next rounds. (besides the obvious fact all
of this should have been a single overnight update, going live when all changes
are ready)
|
You make some solid and well argued points
| |
I guess I will again stop visiting this forum
|
Heard this type of declaration many times before here in the forum, though inevitable
lacking followthrough, and therefore such carries little weight anymore. If followed
through, I for one would sadly miss your inputs and presence. So stick around
| | because nothing I have said has been listened to and nothing that I've read turned out to be true.
|
Sorry, but this is a child's position. Give more credence to my will or I'm
not playing with you guys anymore.
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I didn't mean it as a "threat" or in some childish way, I'm just
looking at this logically: If I find that my input is not heard (regardless of
whether or not that's fair - there are thousands of stores of course), and
I find that all the information that I read always turns out to be not accurate
in the end (regardless of whether that's Bricklink being whimsical, lying
or just making mistakes), well... then it doesn't really make a difference
if I come here or not. Maybe I'm better off using that time buying a crystal
ball and using that to figure out what Bricklink is going to do next (No offense
to the community btw, the users here are almost always amazingly helpful. But
there's of course only so much even the most helpful users can do/know.)
| |
| | I'll stick to the facebook group, it's much better for my mood and my sanity.
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Facebook "much better for your mood and sanity?" Need to process that
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Haha Yeah... good point.. never thought I'd end up saying that. #brandnewsentence
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 08:43 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | And for the other comments in this thread with concerns that the project is being
executed in a careless or haphazard way, I am working line by line through a
spreadsheet that was prepared and proofread weeks ago. Nothing has been merged
by mistake, and nothing will be.
|
Line by line? Then why did several parts get merged while the decorated 2x2 tiles
are somewhere stuck halfway?
Even accepting all the inaccuracies and uncertainties that we got on our plates
over the past several weeks, I thought that at least the ONE thing that we could
sort of hold on to, was the email that you sent me outlining what was supposed
to be round one, but now even THAT turned out to be not true.
|
As far as I know no one has received a email. I never got one
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Mar 9, 2024 21:57 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | When does it start? When does it finish?
|
The BrickLink Catalog Merge Period commenced around 800 BC/BCE and is expected
to conclude sometime between 4000 and 5000 AD/CE.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 08:37 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
All of the element numbers are gone and now it’s going to be harder to find the
specific variant.
|
They are all here. They have to be added manually after the merge has run its
course. Because of a bug in the PCC upload process, it can be really tedious
to add many of these at once, so I break up the process a bit to keep my sanity:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?itemType=P&itemNo=44302&v=2
If you spot some that are missing, please file a request to add them. Same thing
with any alternate part numbers. I am adding all original numbers as alternate
numbers so there shouldn't be any trouble with people finding things.
And for the other comments in this thread with concerns that the project is being
executed in a careless or haphazard way, I am working line by line through a
spreadsheet that was prepared and proofread weeks ago. Nothing has been merged
by mistake, and nothing will be.
Sometimes I will do things out of order, or leave a section partially done. This
is because of time (and I am quite behind on the project already) and because
of some technical limitations of the merge feature. There are several "big"
parts where I will need help from a developer to complete the merge without jeopardizing
site performance.
|
There would be absolutely no chance of jeopardizing site performance if there
was no merge
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Mar 9, 2024 22:04 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | There would be absolutely no chance of jeopardizing site performance if there
was no merge
|
BrickLink would find some way to jeopardize site performance regardless.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 10, 2024 16:33 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | There would be absolutely no chance of jeopardizing site performance if there
was no merge
|
BrickLink would find some way to jeopardize site performance regardless.
|
Like trying to bring the data base into the now.
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 13:11 | | Subject: | Restore grooved variants 44302a/b | | Viewed: | 171 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Hello,
From everything I have read here, the merging of 44302a/b was outside of what
the variant merge was intended to do. I don't care whether it was an oversight
or a misjudgement or just a mistake. Let's everyone take a breath here and
just work toward fixing this.
44302a and 44302b were grooved variants. This catalog still supports grooved
variants. BrickLink, please restore this change.
Thank you,
~Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1977_mauro | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 13:56 | | Subject: | Re: Restore grooved variants 44302a/b | | Viewed: | 96 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Fully support you Jen.
Please restore it. This is not the position of some readers here but the position
of majority if not of all ISP members.
Thanks Mauro
In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | Hello,
From everything I have read here, the merging of 44302a/b was outside of what
the variant merge was intended to do. I don't care whether it was an oversight
or a misjudgement or just a mistake. Let's everyone take a breath here and
just work toward fixing this.
44302a and 44302b were grooved variants. This catalog still supports grooved
variants. BrickLink, please restore this change.
Thank you,
~Jen
|
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 14:20 | | Subject: | Re: Restore grooved variants 44302a/b | | Viewed: | 101 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1977_mauro writes:
| | Fully support you Jen.
Please restore it. This is not the position of some readers here but the position
of majority if not of all ISP members.
|
Internet Service Providers???
Note: I think restoration is impossible for the lots in Shops; some sellers having
already merged them.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1977_mauro | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 15:13 | | Subject: | Re: Restore grooved variants 44302a/b | | Viewed: | 93 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Nope
Inventory Supplier Program
True, it is impossible and would have to be done manually
In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, 1977_mauro writes:
| | Fully support you Jen.
Please restore it. This is not the position of some readers here but the position
of majority if not of all ISP members.
|
Internet Service Providers???
Note: I think restoration is impossible for the lots in Shops; some sellers having
already merged them.
|
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 15:16 | | Subject: | Re: Restore grooved variants 44302a/b | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1977_mauro writes:
| | […]
True, it is impossible and would have to be done manually
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again.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 15:17 | | Subject: | Re: Restore grooved variants 44302a/b | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, 1977_mauro writes:
| | […]
True, it is impossible and would have to be done manually
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again.
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Or make that “again again.”
It was done manually. It was undone manually. Redoing will be manually.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 15:26 | | Subject: | Re: Restore grooved variants 44302a/b | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1977_mauro writes:
| | Nope
Inventory Supplier Program
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No idea what that is, sorry.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1977_mauro | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 15:27 | | Subject: | Re: Restore grooved variants 44302a/b | | Viewed: | 104 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Secret society of inventory suppliers
In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, 1977_mauro writes:
| | Nope
Inventory Supplier Program
|
No idea what that is, sorry.
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| | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Mar 31, 2024 14:12 | | Subject: | Re: Restore grooved variants 44302a/b | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Bump
In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | Hello,
From everything I have read here, the merging of 44302a/b was outside of what
the variant merge was intended to do. I don't care whether it was an oversight
or a misjudgement or just a mistake. Let's everyone take a breath here and
just work toward fixing this.
44302a and 44302b were grooved variants. This catalog still supports grooved
variants. BrickLink, please restore this change.
Thank you,
~Jen
|
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 16:03 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 115 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
All of the element numbers are gone and now it’s going to be harder to find the
specific variant.
This catalog project was a rushed and stupid idea.
Merging parts did not move element numbers over because the merging process doesn’t
come with that built into it. Was that something that site admin considered before
this bright idea? Nope. Why bother ensuring a smooth transition when you can
carry on without a plan in mind? After all, that seems to be par for site administration.
Listening to community complaints? A waste of time.
Improving site functionality? A bigger waste of time.
Considering that a project of this scale would undermine years of progress and
effort from your catalog administrators and community members? An even bigger
waste of time.
Then, catalog administrators and community members have to clean the mess up.
|
I decided a while back that I wasn't going to argue back and forth about
variants. I'd just wait and see what they did and see if it was something
I was cool with. I'm really hoping Russell is going to come back and say
"Oh, whoops, yeah we didn't mean to do that one."
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 3, 2024 16:07 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I'm really hoping Russell is going to come back and say
"Oh, whoops, yeah we didn't mean to do that one."
|
I doubt that'll happen, really.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1457630
And for the other comments in this thread with concerns that the project is
being executed in a careless or haphazard way, I am working line by line through
a spreadsheet that was prepared and proofread weeks ago. Nothing has been merged
by mistake, and nothing will be.
|
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 08:49 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I'm really hoping Russell is going to come back and say
"Oh, whoops, yeah we didn't mean to do that one."
|
I doubt that'll happen, really.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1457630
And for the other comments in this thread with concerns that the project is
being executed in a careless or haphazard way, I am working line by line through
a spreadsheet that was prepared and proofread weeks ago. Nothing has been merged
by mistake, and nothing will be.
|
Famous last words, they always say nothing can go wrong, then everything blows
up!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Mar 9, 2024 22:01 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Nothing has been merged by mistake, and nothing will be.
|
Famous last words, they always say nothing can go wrong, then everything blows
up!
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Yeah, I'm a bit skeptical about that last part…
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| | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 08:47 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, here4bricks614 writes:
| | What was the point of merging 44302 and 54657? The other hinge bricks/plates?
All of the element numbers are gone and now it’s going to be harder to find the
specific variant.
This catalog project was a rushed and stupid idea.
Merging parts did not move element numbers over because the merging process doesn’t
come with that built into it. Was that something that site admin considered before
this bright idea? Nope. Why bother ensuring a smooth transition when you can
carry on without a plan in mind? After all, that seems to be par for site administration.
Listening to community complaints? A waste of time.
Improving site functionality? A bigger waste of time.
Considering that a project of this scale would undermine years of progress and
effort from your catalog administrators and community members? An even bigger
waste of time.
Then, catalog administrators and community members have to clean the mess up.
|
I decided a while back that I wasn't going to argue back and forth about
variants. I'd just wait and see what they did and see if it was something
I was cool with. I'm really hoping Russell is going to come back and say
"Oh, whoops, yeah we didn't mean to do that one."
|
Nope, politicians never admit that they are wrong.
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| | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 20:34 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | (Cancelled) |
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| | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 20:38 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, UTLF writes:
| | Not even a month after The Great Merge™ and it's already causing problems;
glad to see the make-work project is going as planned
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| | | | | | | Author: | here4bricks614 | | Posted: | Mar 4, 2024 23:07 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| It’s sad that some people’s go-to is “get lost” when you have a legitimate complaint
concerning a topic that you’re both invested in. Truly a fantastic business motto.
That’s all that’s left to say.
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| | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Mar 5, 2024 06:30 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 128 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | (Cancelled) |
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| | | | | | | Author: | BrickCompulsion | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 10:30 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In my humble (and perhaps irrelevent and certainly considered irrelevant by some)
opinion there are so many things wrong with this merger.
- no consultation
- no debate or poll
- short notice of it happening
- when announced there was not a lot of certainty over what was happening and
when and how
- changes happening over a long period of time due to poor implementation. I
think if you aren't able to make the changes easily then perhaps there are
other more pressing issues to attend to
- i did laugh when I saw the post where AdminRussell said he needed a developer
to make some of the changes.
- having to make a change and then someone else go back and add notes after
meaning a loss of information (although temporary)
- it doesnt appear that there is any fix for the effects of the changes on the
price guide
- where there has been a reissue of say a minifig part, the old one is very
expensive and the new one is not, the price guide won't be helpful or "correct"
for either the new or old variant. How also if I want the old variant do I search
the long list of bits now and filter out the new ones ? I cant other than visually.
Not helpful at all - thanks
I think for these older versions of bits where there are reissues then this change
will actually drive people away from bricklink as they will look elsewhere first.
I am still having a think to come up with an example of having less information
makes us all richer but at least I am enjoying the extra challenge of listing
bits where links from external part identifiers are broken and also amending
my own inventory.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 10:43 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BrickCompulsion writes:
| | […]
- when announced there was not a lot of certainty over what was happening and
when and how
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Still not much info on when….
| | […]
- where there has been a reissue of say a minifig part, the old one is very
expensive and the new one is not, the price guide won't be helpful or "correct"
for either the new or old variant. How also if I want the old variant do I search
the long list of bits now and filter out the new ones ? I cant other than visually.
Not helpful at all - thanks
|
IIUC what Russell said, that’s not exactly true because the expensive parts’
quantities of sold/for sale is very small in comparison to the cheap ones’.
So the expensive ones’ numbers are drown under the cheap ones’.
IOW, the expensive parts’ data is lost, the cheap parts’ data isn’t changed significantly
enough to notice.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 11:00 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | - no consultation
- no debate or poll
- short notice of it happening
- when announced there was not a lot of certainty over what was happening and
when and how
- changes happening over a long period of time due to poor implementation. I
think if you aren't able to make the changes easily then perhaps there are
other more pressing issues to attend to
|
There was consultation and plenty of debate. Some parts were thought about again,
so they were listening.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 11:07 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | - no consultation
- no debate or poll
- short notice of it happening
- when announced there was not a lot of certainty over what was happening and
when and how
- changes happening over a long period of time due to poor implementation. I
think if you aren't able to make the changes easily then perhaps there are
other more pressing issues to attend to
|
There was consultation and plenty of debate. Some parts were thought about again,
so they were listening.
|
+1
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | BrickCompulsion | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 11:37 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | - no consultation
- no debate or poll
- short notice of it happening
- when announced there was not a lot of certainty over what was happening and
when and how
- changes happening over a long period of time due to poor implementation. I
think if you aren't able to make the changes easily then perhaps there are
other more pressing issues to attend to
|
There was consultation and plenty of debate. Some parts were thought about again,
so they were listening.
|
Well I read a fair amount of the messages but not all - would you say that the
majority of posters were for the idea ?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Tracyd | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 11:47 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BrickCompulsion writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | - no consultation
- no debate or poll
- short notice of it happening
- when announced there was not a lot of certainty over what was happening and
when and how
- changes happening over a long period of time due to poor implementation. I
think if you aren't able to make the changes easily then perhaps there are
other more pressing issues to attend to
|
There was consultation and plenty of debate. Some parts were thought about again,
so they were listening.
|
Well I read a fair amount of the messages but not all - would you say that the
majority of posters were for the idea ?
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No idea. But they people who get to make the decision are for it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | BrickCompulsion | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 11:52 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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No idea. But they people who get to make the decision are for it.
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OK -
well the general feeling I got was that most posters were not for it and seeing
issues with doing it.
Therefore I suggest that "they" were hearing but not listening
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Tracyd | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 12:11 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BrickCompulsion writes:
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No idea. But they people who get to make the decision are for it.
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OK -
well the general feeling I got was that most posters were not for it and seeing
issues with doing it.
Therefore I suggest that "they" were hearing but not listening
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If you own something, do you solicit others' opinions on what to do with
it? If you want to do X, but a lot of people say no do Y with it, do you do
what you want or what they want? They don't have to listen, that they have
changed some doesn't mean they have to change all.
Again, they can do anything they want as they own the website. Or for the pedantic,
they work for the owner of the website.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 12:36 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 12:40 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 87 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, BrickCompulsion writes:
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No idea. But they people who get to make the decision are for it.
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OK -
well the general feeling I got was that most posters were not for it and seeing
issues with doing it.
Therefore I suggest that "they" were hearing but not listening
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If you own something, do you solicit others' opinions on what to do with
it? If you want to do X, but a lot of people say no do Y with it, do you do
what you want or what they want? They don't have to listen, that they have
changed some doesn't mean they have to change all.
Again, they can do anything they want as they own the website. Or for the pedantic,
they work for the owner of the website.
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Well stated, and factually true. But...
I believe Tanja, Russell and the others at the helm, would like to keep this
a community site. And by "community" it was and fundamentally remains
the community that built the foundation which BrickLink is still sitting
upon, it's catalog.
Incidentally, I believe the owners (whom you've invoked) TLG also appreciate
the position of those they've placed to "steer the ship" to keep
it community driven, for now anyway
-popsicle
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | BrickCompulsion | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 12:41 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, BrickCompulsion writes:
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No idea. But they people who get to make the decision are for it.
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OK -
well the general feeling I got was that most posters were not for it and seeing
issues with doing it.
Therefore I suggest that "they" were hearing but not listening
|
If you own something, do you solicit others' opinions on what to do with
it? If you want to do X, but a lot of people say no do Y with it, do you do
what you want or what they want? They don't have to listen, that they have
changed some doesn't mean they have to change all.
Again, they can do anything they want as they own the website. Or for the pedantic,
they work for the owner of the website.
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Ha ha - hence my caveat at the beginning of my post
In my humble (and perhaps irrelevent and certainly considered irrelevant by
some)
opinion
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 14:08 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, BrickCompulsion writes:
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No idea. But they people who get to make the decision are for it.
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OK -
well the general feeling I got was that most posters were not for it and seeing
issues with doing it.
Therefore I suggest that "they" were hearing but not listening
|
If you own something, do you solicit others' opinions on what to do with
it? If you want to do X, but a lot of people say no do Y with it, do you do
what you want or what they want? They don't have to listen, that they have
changed some doesn't mean they have to change all.
Again, they can do anything they want as they own the website. Or for the pedantic,
they work for the owner of the website.
|
Ok, I was planning to let this whole discussion go, but it's just really
getting on my nerves now. Not so much personally, but I really feel for Axaday,
Randy and the other great contributors. Secondly, for the people who are just
sincerely bummed by this and keep on having their feelings invalidated by such
replies. This wall of text is not directed specifically towards the previous
poster or anyone in particular so feel free to stop reading anywhere you like
I see people complaining it's getting repetitive, but in my opinion, the
whole "they own it so they can do whatever they want" is the most repetitive
thought-terminating cliché in the whole discussion. And not only in this one.
It keeps popping up whenever something happens on Bricklink. Here's the deal:
It doesn't actually work like that. Legally speaking, yes, it does. But not
everything that is legal is right. Bricklink isn't a hotdog stand where if
you don't like the mustard (Bricklink forum reference unintended) you just
walk on to the next one and everything is fair.
Interestingly, the people who bring this up - "they can do what they want,
you are free to go elsewhere", etc - only seem to apply this logic to companies.
Never to people. They would probably never say: "Well darling, I am an adult,
so I can do whatever I like. If you don't like my choices, then you are free
to leave. Nobody is forcing you to be with me. Go vote with your feet". Again
this is legally 100% correct, but people have every right to say this person
is a son-of-a-brick. And moreover, they'd be right. The argument does not
excuse any actions.
Companies have responsibilities too. They can't just treat workers in whatever
way they like. The are agreements with trade unions and governments on how people
should be treated. Now, the users here may not be employees of Bricklink, but
Bricklink is not a free service either. In some form or shape, there is a cooperation
going on between Bricklink on the one side and the users on the other. There
is a mutual investment. That may not bring along hard legal obligations outlined
in agreements, but it does bring along soft rules. Like respect, decency, and
reliability. Willingness to cooperate. Dialog. Sure, Bricklink has the legal
right to change this whole site into a Barbie marketplace overnight, but
people who are invested in Bricklink (whether as contributors or as people trying
to provide for their families) will be right to be extremely disappointed if
that happened. Doing that without any notice, without valid reasons, would not
be a decent way of treating people. Letting contributors work on this particular
thing for years and then throwing it away is not a decent way of treating people.
Making big changes in a confusing way with poor communication where timing, order,
promises, and reasons keep on changing, is not a decent way of treating people.
By the way: There are plenty of examples where even free services cannot do "whatever
they want because they own it". Facebook still has obligations to combat
fake news, hate speech and scams. Because companies are a part of this world
and influence people's lives.
I've noticed this argument - "if you don't like it, just don't
use it" - is often heard in poor countries with dysfunctional systems by
people trying to defend the status quo. I'm not suggesting it's the same
type of people as the ones bringing up on Bricklink, but the effect is the same:
It's a progress-undermining attitude. People may say it about prices ("if
it's too expensive, just don't buy it then" or services like public
transport ("if you think it's always late, then just use another means
of transportation". With an air of "stop being so negative" around
it. But the actual negative thing is to invalidate people's sincere complaints
and take a position against them. The positive thing is to complain, constructively,
in order to show empathy and to facilitate some kind of progress. Typically people
keep repeating the mantra and meanwhile their situation gets worse and worse.
In my opinion it's really quite sad to see community members not backing
each other up on this kind of thing. Even if everyone's preferences and concerns
are not the same. We all are a little different from one another but all of our
wants and needs are equally valid. I could go to a Playmobil forum and laugh
at every topic because I don't care about Playmobil, but that doesn't
mean I am right and they are wrong.
Then there's another thing. Besides the difference in opinion, there's
also the matter of: Is Bricklink correct? Will the action achieve what they aim
to achieve? This is not certain at all, and owning this site does not automatically
mean you're right about everything. They may need some input on this Russell
already mentioned people in the office were surprised and caught off-guard by
the responses to this decision. That already shows (besides of course a rich
track-record of unfortunate decisions) that Bricklink is not always correct in
what they believe. (For exmaple: Personally I believe it's not a good decision.
I think that not wanting to be the ultimate encyclopedic resource will result
in not being the ultimate marketplace either. Because the catalog really is Bricklink's
only selling point compared to other marketplaces. But that's just my estimation).
People are right to raise questions about it and are also right to consider it
wrong if Bricklink rushes this update without allowing that dialog that could
expose any mistakes in the reasoning and lead to better choices. (Bricklink did
allow this to a very limited extent, though they didn't plan to at first)
And as for: "If you don't like it, sell somewhere else" - many people
don't have this opportunity. This would be the same as saying "Facebook
has no obligations to society and if you don't like it, post somewhere else"
- it doesn't work like that, because you can't just start your own social
media like that. There is a dependency as a result of the actions of the company.
I was able to move away from Bricklink and sell elsewhere, but not everyone has
that opportunity. Years of feeling bad (sick, to a point) about what Bricklink
was and wasn't doing has lead me to take my business elsewhere. I implemented
everything I asked for on Bricklink for years, and as a result the business is
much more succesful than it ever was. But do I feel like I "won"? Not
really. I really would have preferred to keep everything on Bricklink, if Bricklink
only didn't cause me that many sleepless nights. And Bricklink didn't
win either, because they're out on $1500 in fees a year from me. Voting with
your feet isn't a win for anyone.
TLDR: Bricklink belongs to Bricklink in the strict legal sense, but otherwise,
Bricklink belongs to everyone who is involved in it and who makes it what it
is. There, that was more than enough from me for a while I think. Back to some
selling
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | BrickCompulsion | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 16:15 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 93 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, Tracyd writes:
| | In Catalog, BrickCompulsion writes:
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No idea. But they people who get to make the decision are for it.
|
OK -
well the general feeling I got was that most posters were not for it and seeing
issues with doing it.
Therefore I suggest that "they" were hearing but not listening
|
If you own something, do you solicit others' opinions on what to do with
it? If you want to do X, but a lot of people say no do Y with it, do you do
what you want or what they want? They don't have to listen, that they have
changed some doesn't mean they have to change all.
Again, they can do anything they want as they own the website. Or for the pedantic,
they work for the owner of the website.
|
Ok, I was planning to let this whole discussion go, but it's just really
getting on my nerves now. Not so much personally, but I really feel for Axaday,
Randy and the other great contributors. Secondly, for the people who are just
sincerely bummed by this and keep on having their feelings invalidated by such
replies. This wall of text is not directed specifically towards the previous
poster or anyone in particular so feel free to stop reading anywhere you like
I see people complaining it's getting repetitive, but in my opinion, the
whole "they own it so they can do whatever they want" is the most repetitive
thought-terminating cliché in the whole discussion. And not only in this one.
It keeps popping up whenever something happens on Bricklink. Here's the deal:
It doesn't actually work like that. Legally speaking, yes, it does. But not
everything that is legal is right. Bricklink isn't a hotdog stand where if
you don't like the mustard (Bricklink forum reference unintended) you just
walk on to the next one and everything is fair.
Interestingly, the people who bring this up - "they can do what they want,
you are free to go elsewhere", etc - only seem to apply this logic to companies.
Never to people. They would probably never say: "Well darling, I am an adult,
so I can do whatever I like. If you don't like my choices, then you are free
to leave. Nobody is forcing you to be with me. Go vote with your feet". Again
this is legally 100% correct, but people have every right to say this person
is a son-of-a-brick. And moreover, they'd be right. The argument does not
excuse any actions.
Companies have responsibilities too. They can't just treat workers in whatever
way they like. The are agreements with trade unions and governments on how people
should be treated. Now, the users here may not be employees of Bricklink, but
Bricklink is not a free service either. In some form or shape, there is a cooperation
going on between Bricklink on the one side and the users on the other. There
is a mutual investment. That may not bring along hard legal obligations outlined
in agreements, but it does bring along soft rules. Like respect, decency, and
reliability. Willingness to cooperate. Dialog. Sure, Bricklink has the legal
right to change this whole site into a Barbie marketplace overnight, but
people who are invested in Bricklink (whether as contributors or as people trying
to provide for their families) will be right to be extremely disappointed if
that happened. Doing that without any notice, without valid reasons, would not
be a decent way of treating people. Letting contributors work on this particular
thing for years and then throwing it away is not a decent way of treating people.
Making big changes in a confusing way with poor communication where timing, order,
promises, and reasons keep on changing, is not a decent way of treating people.
By the way: There are plenty of examples where even free services cannot do "whatever
they want because they own it". Facebook still has obligations to combat
fake news, hate speech and scams. Because companies are a part of this world
and influence people's lives.
I've noticed this argument - "if you don't like it, just don't
use it" - is often heard in poor countries with dysfunctional systems by
people trying to defend the status quo. I'm not suggesting it's the same
type of people as the ones bringing up on Bricklink, but the effect is the same:
It's a progress-undermining attitude. People may say it about prices ("if
it's too expensive, just don't buy it then" or services like public
transport ("if you think it's always late, then just use another means
of transportation". With an air of "stop being so negative" around
it. But the actual negative thing is to invalidate people's sincere complaints
and take a position against them. The positive thing is to complain, constructively,
in order to show empathy and to facilitate some kind of progress. Typically people
keep repeating the mantra and meanwhile their situation gets worse and worse.
In my opinion it's really quite sad to see community members not backing
each other up on this kind of thing. Even if everyone's preferences and concerns
are not the same. We all are a little different from one another but all of our
wants and needs are equally valid. I could go to a Playmobil forum and laugh
at every topic because I don't care about Playmobil, but that doesn't
mean I am right and they are wrong.
Then there's another thing. Besides the difference in opinion, there's
also the matter of: Is Bricklink correct? Will the action achieve what they aim
to achieve? This is not certain at all, and owning this site does not automatically
mean you're right about everything. They may need some input on this Russell
already mentioned people in the office were surprised and caught off-guard by
the responses to this decision. That already shows (besides of course a rich
track-record of unfortunate decisions) that Bricklink is not always correct in
what they believe. (For exmaple: Personally I believe it's not a good decision.
I think that not wanting to be the ultimate encyclopedic resource will result
in not being the ultimate marketplace either. Because the catalog really is Bricklink's
only selling point compared to other marketplaces. But that's just my estimation).
People are right to raise questions about it and are also right to consider it
wrong if Bricklink rushes this update without allowing that dialog that could
expose any mistakes in the reasoning and lead to better choices. (Bricklink did
allow this to a very limited extent, though they didn't plan to at first)
And as for: "If you don't like it, sell somewhere else" - many people
don't have this opportunity. This would be the same as saying "Facebook
has no obligations to society and if you don't like it, post somewhere else"
- it doesn't work like that, because you can't just start your own social
media like that. There is a dependency as a result of the actions of the company.
I was able to move away from Bricklink and sell elsewhere, but not everyone has
that opportunity. Years of feeling bad (sick, to a point) about what Bricklink
was and wasn't doing has lead me to take my business elsewhere. I implemented
everything I asked for on Bricklink for years, and as a result the business is
much more succesful than it ever was. But do I feel like I "won"? Not
really. I really would have preferred to keep everything on Bricklink, if Bricklink
only didn't cause me that many sleepless nights. And Bricklink didn't
win either, because they're out on $1500 in fees a year from me. Voting with
your feet isn't a win for anyone.
TLDR: Bricklink belongs to Bricklink in the strict legal sense, but otherwise,
Bricklink belongs to everyone who is involved in it and who makes it what it
is. There, that was more than enough from me for a while I think. Back to some
selling
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Great post
I did try to be constructive which I hope came across
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Mar 9, 2024 21:50 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 85 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | And Bricklink didn't win either, because they're out on $1500 in
fees a year from me. Voting with your feet isn't a win for anyone.
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I'm sure BrickLink makes good money from fees. They're not missing much
from one or a few sellers that decide to close their shop because they're
unhappy about the way the site is run.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 12:34 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BrickCompulsion writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | - no consultation
- no debate or poll
- short notice of it happening
- when announced there was not a lot of certainty over what was happening and
when and how
- changes happening over a long period of time due to poor implementation. I
think if you aren't able to make the changes easily then perhaps there are
other more pressing issues to attend to
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There was consultation and plenty of debate. Some parts were thought about again,
so they were listening.
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Well I read a fair amount of the messages but not all - would you say that the
majority of posters were for the idea ?
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It doesn't matter if users are for or against it, there was still consultation
and debate.
Asking for anything to be put to a vote (and saying that you will abide by the
result) is dangerous. For example, BL could email all users stating that they
will remove all sets from before 1980 as this will help speed up the site and
make room for more new BDP sets to be catalogued. Similarly, they could email
all users stating parts that haven't been produced for 30 years will be removed
from the database to speed up and help reduce the clutter in searches. It wouldn't
surprise me if both of those would get passed by a vote from the userbase. It
depends on how the question is asked, who is allowed to vote, and who is told
about the vote.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | BrickCompulsion | | Posted: | Mar 6, 2024 12:44 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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It doesn't matter if users are for or against it, there was still consultation
and debate.
Asking for anything to be put to a vote (and saying that you will abide by the
result) is dangerous. For example, BL could email all users stating that they
will remove all sets from before 1980 as this will help speed up the site and
make room for more new BDP sets to be catalogued. Similarly, they could email
all users stating parts that haven't been produced for 30 years will be removed
from the database to speed up and help reduce the clutter in searches. It wouldn't
surprise me if both of those would get passed by a vote from the userbase. It
depends on how the question is asked, who is allowed to vote, and who is told
about the vote.
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I totally concede then there was some debate, but not whether they were going
to do it or not really - it was just announced that it was happening which is
really what I was driving at.
True - votes do have the potential to be dangerous. My beef was though that it
was just announced to be occurring
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Mar 9, 2024 22:08 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BrickCompulsion writes:
| | Well I read a fair amount of the messages but not all - would you say that the
majority of posters were for the idea ?
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Just based on pure observation it seems like most forum users are vehemently
opposed to the merges.
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| | | | | Author: | knightmove_g1f3 | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 03:13 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? - end of the world as we know it | | Viewed: | 130 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Hi,
since I haven't read all the comments, I'm afraid this will be a bit
repetitive.
Sadly there's no "automatically reverted due to a vote of Entirely Incorrect"
option (like on Discogs) to all this merging rape...
(Historical) accuracy gets thrown out of the window:
- No "Blocked Stud" "Minifigure, Head (Plain)" anymore?
- All 'Frosted' bricks have gone?
(And lots of other lost items.)
Now it will never be possible again to correctly complete/build old(er)
- sets (e.g. 391-1 (and many others) - used to have 'Frosted" Trans-Clear
Bricks)
- minifigs (e.g. ac011 - used to have "Blocked Stud" Head - now it will
be most certainly always "Vented" )
It's bad enough these parts will be difficult to find/buy from now on.
Worse is the fact that no one will even know they were used in sets (let alone
in which sets).
Perhaps you should stop building virtually: of course on screen nothing of this
matters...
Oh yes, and sellers rule, right?
Just because many of them are too lazy/unwilling to determine their parts accurately,
the standards have to be lowered.
I'm quite certain Daniel Jezek is turning in his grave having to witness
what (t)his Bricklink is turning into...
Over and out,
Oliver.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 04:41 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? - end of the world as we know it | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | Now it will never be possible again to correctly complete/build old(er)
- sets (e.g. 391-1 (and many others) - used to have 'Frosted" Trans-Clear
Bricks)
- minifigs (e.g. ac011 - used to have "Blocked Stud" Head - now it will
be most certainly always "Vented" )
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Yes it will. It was possible before bricklink, it has been possible throughout
bricklink's existence and it will be possible in future.
| | Oh yes, and sellers rule, right?
Just because many of them are too lazy/unwilling to determine their parts accurately,
the standards have to be lowered.
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This makes things easier for buyers too. It is not sellers pushing through changes
because they are lazy.
| | I'm quite certain Daniel Jezek is turning in his grave having to witness
what (t)his Bricklink is turning into...
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Why are you certain of this? Did you know him and his plans for the site?
I didn't know him, but I imagine he would be proud of what bricklink has
become.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | LeeGo73 | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 04:58 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? - end of the world as we know it | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Now it will never be possible again to correctly complete/build old(er)
- sets (e.g. 391-1 (and many others) - used to have 'Frosted" Trans-Clear
Bricks)
- minifigs (e.g. ac011 - used to have "Blocked Stud" Head - now it will
be most certainly always "Vented" )
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Yes it will. It was possible before bricklink, it has been possible throughout
bricklink's existence and it will be possible in future.
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Serious question: how? using 391-1 as example.
| |
| | Oh yes, and sellers rule, right?
Just because many of them are too lazy/unwilling to determine their parts accurately,
the standards have to be lowered.
|
This makes things easier for buyers too. It is not sellers pushing through changes
because they are lazy.
| | I'm quite certain Daniel Jezek is turning in his grave having to witness
what (t)his Bricklink is turning into...
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Why are you certain of this? Did you know him and his plans for the site?
I didn't know him, but I imagine he would be proud of what bricklink has
become.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 05:10 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? - end of the world as we know it | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, LeeGo73 writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Now it will never be possible again to correctly complete/build old(er)
- sets (e.g. 391-1 (and many others) - used to have 'Frosted" Trans-Clear
Bricks)
- minifigs (e.g. ac011 - used to have "Blocked Stud" Head - now it will
be most certainly always "Vented" )
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Yes it will. It was possible before bricklink, it has been possible throughout
bricklink's existence and it will be possible in future.
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Serious question: how? using 391-1 as example.
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You find the bits that you think should be in your set, and you build the set.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | LeeGo73 | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 05:25 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? - end of the world as we know it | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, LeeGo73 writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Now it will never be possible again to correctly complete/build old(er)
- sets (e.g. 391-1 (and many others) - used to have 'Frosted" Trans-Clear
Bricks)
- minifigs (e.g. ac011 - used to have "Blocked Stud" Head - now it will
be most certainly always "Vented" )
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Yes it will. It was possible before bricklink, it has been possible throughout
bricklink's existence and it will be possible in future.
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Serious question: how? using 391-1 as example.
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You find the bits that you think should be in your set, and you build the set.
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Let me refrase; how do I complete an older set (391-1) to original state? By
original I mean the parts that were in the box in 1975.
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| In Catalog, LeeGo73 writes:
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Let me refrase; how do I complete an older set (391-1) to original state? By
original I mean the parts that were in the box in 1975.
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Well, you buy a 391-1 (complete or not), otherwise you can’t be sure that whatever
part you get came in a 391-1 box, or even could have come in a 391-1 box.
I think that’s what Russell tried to say the other day.
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, LeeGo73 writes:
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Let me refrase; how do I complete an older set (391-1) to original state? By
original I mean the parts that were in the box in 1975.
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Well, you buy a 391-1 (complete or not), otherwise you can’t be sure that whatever
part you get came in a 391-1 box, or even could have come in a 391-1 box.
I think that’s what Russell tried to say the other day.
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Set 391 was inventoried in 2003, which can only be done when using a sealed set
(if I'm correctly understanding the inventory rules). So this information
was available, but has now partly been lost (merged). How do I find the original
part list back?
I'm asking for date relevant parts, like 'frosted' in this case.
I'm not sure which post from Russell you refer to, I might have missed that
one.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 06:13 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? - end of the world as we know it | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, LeeGo73 writes:
| | Set 391 was inventoried in 2003, which can only be done when using a sealed set
(if I'm correctly understanding the inventory rules). So this information
was available, but has now partly been lost (merged). How do I find the original
part list back?
I'm asking for date relevant parts, like 'frosted' in this case.
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In 2003 you didn't have to have a sealed set. They were trying to get inventories
established and did a lot from used sets and even pictures of sets. There wasn't
a field to fill out on your source back then, so they all say "Unknown".
There is only one change request in the forum for and it didn't
concern frosted bricks. The inventory may have shown frosted bricks before the
merge, but it is likely that no one ever checked that inventory against a sealed
set.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 08:31 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? - end of the world as we know it | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | Let me refrase; how do I complete an older set (391-1) to original state? By
original I mean the parts that were in the box in 1975.
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That is impossible. Once a set is opened, it is never in its original state (which
was in a sealed box, guaranteeing you have the parts that came in that set).
You can try to get close to that, and for many a set with the box, instructions
and all the parts necessary to build the set is close enough. But which parts,
should they be? Does it matter that you use a 1x4 brick in the right colour that
didn't come in a 391-1 set but was produced the same year? Even if it was
the same variant, does it matter if the brick was made in 1970 or 1980 and not
1975? Does it matter if you use a brick 1 year difference, 5 years younger, 10
years younger, 20 years younger? Bricklink doesn't recognize the variants
of 1x4 bricks enough to warrant their own entry, so does it matter if you use
different variants within the set? Does it matter if you use a different variant
to what someone else has in their set? Does it matter if yours matches the inventory
someone else thinks was correct as that is what is in their set? Why should your
set match theirs, and theirs not match yours? If bricklink no longer recognizes
a variant enough to give it a separate entry even though it used to, does it
matter if your set matches the current bricklink inventory? If it is complete
according to the current BL inventory, it is a complete set.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | knightmove_g1f3 | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 09:01 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 09:06 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? - end of the world as we know it | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Language please.
In Catalog, knightmove_g1f3 writes:
| | Yeah, right:
[moderated]
Build a set from 1975 with today's parts and sell it as vintage for a few
hundred bucks.
An era of endless opportunities to cash in has just begun - and Bricklink's
inventories will support it.
PS:
And I don't feel fine...
In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Let me refrase; how do I complete an older set (391-1) to original state? By
original I mean the parts that were in the box in 1975.
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That is impossible. Once a set is opened, it is never in its original state (which
was in a sealed box, guaranteeing you have the parts that came in that set).
You can try to get close to that, and for many a set with the box, instructions
and all the parts necessary to build the set is close enough. But which parts,
should they be? Does it matter that you use a 1x4 brick in the right colour that
didn't come in a 391-1 set but was produced the same year? Even if it was
the same variant, does it matter if the brick was made in 1970 or 1980 and not
1975? Does it matter if you use a brick 1 year difference, 5 years younger, 10
years younger, 20 years younger? Bricklink doesn't recognize the variants
of 1x4 bricks enough to warrant their own entry, so does it matter if you use
different variants within the set? Does it matter if you use a different variant
to what someone else has in their set? Does it matter if yours matches the inventory
someone else thinks was correct as that is what is in their set? Why should your
set match theirs, and theirs not match yours? If bricklink no longer recognizes
a variant enough to give it a separate entry even though it used to, does it
matter if your set matches the current bricklink inventory? If it is complete
according to the current BL inventory, it is a complete set.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | oukexergon | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 09:14 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | knightmove_g1f3 | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 09:57 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 10:00 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? - end of the world as we know it | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, knightmove_g1f3 writes:
| | Thanks, spoken/written like a true hero.
(@ SylvainLS: "language"-point taken, sorry for that...)
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Then don’t quote it
| | In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | In Catalog, knightmove_g1f3 writes:
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[redacted]
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Build a set from 1975 with today's parts and sell it as vintage for a few
hundred bucks.
An era of endless opportunities to cash in has just begun - and Bricklink's
inventories will support it.
PS:
And I don't feel fine...
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It's pointless to argue. They already know what is lost in this, they just
do not care. Ultimately the frosted bricks issue is probably one of the least
offensive here--all trans-clear parts from beyond a certain date (though
what the precise date is is less than clear, but it would certainly impact a
1975 set) are frosted, due to the age, quality of the mold and plastic that was
used. But your point is still well-taken.
Unfortunately, rather than having a catalog that is as precise as can be, perhaps
only to be improved over time, warts and all, BL execs (meaning Lego execs) are
pushing this down on all BL users to the exclusive benefit of Lego. Obviously,
as you hint, minimizing or eliminating historic variations of production parts
means more profit directly flowing to TLG, and away from BL sellers. Some big
new-parts sellers on BL do not care (right now) because they see this as a way
to ease their processes and direct more buyers to their own stores. All you'll
hear from them is "most people don't care" (as if they could possibly
know) and "this isn't your website" (as if that magically made watering
down the quality of the site a good idea).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 10:00 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? - end of the world as we know it | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Don’t quote foul language please.
In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | In Catalog, knightmove_g1f3 writes:
| | Yeah, right:
[redacted]
Build a set from 1975 with today's parts and sell it as vintage for a few
hundred bucks.
An era of endless opportunities to cash in has just begun - and Bricklink's
inventories will support it.
PS:
And I don't feel fine...
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It's pointless to argue. They already know what is lost in this, they just
do not care. Ultimately the frosted bricks issue is probably one of the least
offensive here--all trans-clear parts from beyond a certain date (though
what the precise date is is less than clear, but it would certainly impact a
1975 set) are frosted, due to the age, quality of the mold and plastic that was
used. But your point is still well-taken.
Unfortunately, rather than having a catalog that is as precise as can be, perhaps
only to be improved over time, warts and all, BL execs (meaning Lego execs) are
pushing this down on all BL users to the exclusive benefit of Lego. Obviously,
as you hint, minimizing or eliminating historic variations of production parts
means more profit directly flowing to TLG, and away from BL sellers. Some big
new-parts sellers on BL do not care (right now) because they see this as a way
to ease their processes and direct more buyers to their own stores. All you'll
hear from them is "most people don't care" (as if they could possibly
know) and "this isn't your website" (as if that magically made watering
down the quality of the site a good idea).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | oukexergon | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 10:10 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? - end of the world as we know it | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Oops, didn't even notice; I'll try to be more attentive onwards.
In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | Don’t quote foul language please.
In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
| | In Catalog, knightmove_g1f3 writes:
| | Yeah, right:
[redacted]
Build a set from 1975 with today's parts and sell it as vintage for a few
hundred bucks.
An era of endless opportunities to cash in has just begun - and Bricklink's
inventories will support it.
PS:
And I don't feel fine...
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It's pointless to argue. They already know what is lost in this, they just
do not care. Ultimately the frosted bricks issue is probably one of the least
offensive here--all trans-clear parts from beyond a certain date (though
what the precise date is is less than clear, but it would certainly impact a
1975 set) are frosted, due to the age, quality of the mold and plastic that was
used. But your point is still well-taken.
Unfortunately, rather than having a catalog that is as precise as can be, perhaps
only to be improved over time, warts and all, BL execs (meaning Lego execs) are
pushing this down on all BL users to the exclusive benefit of Lego. Obviously,
as you hint, minimizing or eliminating historic variations of production parts
means more profit directly flowing to TLG, and away from BL sellers. Some big
new-parts sellers on BL do not care (right now) because they see this as a way
to ease their processes and direct more buyers to their own stores. All you'll
hear from them is "most people don't care" (as if they could possibly
know) and "this isn't your website" (as if that magically made watering
down the quality of the site a good idea).
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 05:41 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? - end of the world as we know it | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Oh yes, and sellers rule, right?
Just because many of them are too lazy/unwilling to determine their parts accurately,
the standards have to be lowered.
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This makes things easier for buyers too. It is not sellers pushing through changes
because they are lazy.
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The issue may have been raised and addressed. I didn't watch any topic.
But I never saw it stated why this had to suddenly be addressed. I didn't
detect ANYONE asking for this to happen. The only related thing I saw was people
complaining that they got incorrect variants or had trouble finding a seller
with the correct variant. If that was the impetus, it was a big surprise to
me that the solution would be to conceal knowledge of which variant was correct.
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2024 11:26 | | Subject: | Re: Seriously? - end of the world as we know it | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, knightmove_g1f3 writes:
| | Just because many of them are too lazy/unwilling to determine their parts accurately,
the standards have to be lowered.
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Please don't insult sellers - like me - who have chosen YEARS ago not to
separate versions, but it's not because we're being lazy.
| | I'm quite certain Daniel Jezek is turning in his grave having to witness
what (t)his Bricklink is turning into...
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Please don't insult Daniel neither.
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