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| | | Author: | tmtomh  | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2024 15:43 | | Subject: | Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| To my knowledge, there is currently no way to search stores by location beyond
the state/province level.
Would it be possible to be able to search down to the city level, or perhaps
by distance from your own location? And would it be possible to add a "local
pickup" checkbox in sellers' store configuration pages so that buyers
could search stores based on that criterion?
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2024 15:47 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | To my knowledge, there is currently no way to search stores by location beyond
the state/province level.
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No, you can't know a member location (buyer OR seller) for privacy reasons.
Of course, after having had a transaction it's another thing.
But this is why it's not - I guess.
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| | | | | | | Author: | tmtomh | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2024 15:55 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | To my knowledge, there is currently no way to search stores by location beyond
the state/province level.
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No, you can't know a member location (buyer OR seller) for privacy reasons.
Of course, after having had a transaction it's another thing.
But this is why it's not - I guess.
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With respect, you don't know this is the reason - you are guessing, as you
say.
It also doesn't make sense to identify the state but not the city - in the
US, for example, 3/4 of the states have smaller populations than NY City, and
about 1/3 of all the states have smaller populations than the 4 or 5 largest
US cities. So knowing a seller is in Wyoming already "violates" their
privacy more than if you knew they were in Houston.
I would imaging the same holds true for man other countries too.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2024 16:02 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | To my knowledge, there is currently no way to search stores by location beyond
the state/province level.
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No, you can't know a member location (buyer OR seller) for privacy reasons.
Of course, after having had a transaction it's another thing.
But this is why it's not - I guess.
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With respect, you don't know this is the reason - you are guessing, as you
say.
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At least here in EU it's forbidden to display the location of a private buyer
or seller.
Not pros or companies of course.
But as there's no "Pro" field / checkbox in BrickLink, everyone's
treated the same.
As LEGO's located in EU this is my guess.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tmtomh | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2024 16:19 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | To my knowledge, there is currently no way to search stores by location beyond
the state/province level.
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No, you can't know a member location (buyer OR seller) for privacy reasons.
Of course, after having had a transaction it's another thing.
But this is why it's not - I guess.
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With respect, you don't know this is the reason - you are guessing, as you
say.
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At least here in EU it's forbidden to display the location of a private buyer
or seller.
Not pros or companies of course.
But as there's no "Pro" field / checkbox in BrickLink, everyone's
treated the same.
As LEGO's located in EU this is my guess.
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Does the EU regulation specifically say that province/canton does not count as
location but city does? Unless that's the case, I would respectfully say
that once again your point is not relevant to my request.
Furthermore, based on your responses - and on a clear pattern evident in a lot
of the many, many other comments you post in other threads here - you are jumping
to conclusions to explain or in some cases defend the BL status quo, and you
are doing so without sufficient evidence or information to draw those conclusions.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2024 16:28 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
| | At least here in EU it's forbidden to display the location of a private buyer
or seller.
Not pros or companies of course.
But as there's no "Pro" field / checkbox in BrickLink, everyone's
treated the same.
As LEGO's located in EU this is my guess.
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Does the EU regulation specifically say that province/canton does not count as
location but city does? Unless that's the case, I would respectfully say
that once again your point is not relevant to my request.
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"Province" should be fine, as we all see the others "Province"
or "Region" or equivalent, depending the Country.
City? I don't know.
The other argument is: what / who / how many users will that help?
Personnaly I wouldn't visit a shop (which also may not like to be visited),
and it takes the same time for an order to be delivered 1 km or 1000 km away
within the same Country.
So, I'm not sure it'd help much members.
Everything has a cost, at BrickLink they'll calculate cost and return or
at least importance in terms of global improvement for the users.
| | Furthermore, based on your responses - and on a clear pattern evident in a lot
of the many, many other comments you post in other threads here - you are jumping
to conclusions to explain or in some cases defend the BL status quo, and you
are doing so without sufficient evidence or information to draw those conclusions.
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Yeah, it's obvious and everyone knows I'm a sock puppet 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tmtomh | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2024 16:41 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
| | At least here in EU it's forbidden to display the location of a private buyer
or seller.
Not pros or companies of course.
But as there's no "Pro" field / checkbox in BrickLink, everyone's
treated the same.
As LEGO's located in EU this is my guess.
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Does the EU regulation specifically say that province/canton does not count as
location but city does? Unless that's the case, I would respectfully say
that once again your point is not relevant to my request.
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"Province" should be fine, as we all see the others "Province"
or "Region" or equivalent, depending the Country.
City? I don't know.
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Right: province "should be fine" - but you don't actually know if
EU regulations say that's fine. And city "you don't know."
So for the third time, with respect, you don't know what you are talking
about, so why do you persist without any clear evidence to back up your claim?
Why not let someone from BL actually respond in stead of derailing the suggestion
with unsupported speculation?
| | The other argument is: what / who / how many users will that help?
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This is an argument I've seen you make countless times to dismiss other suggestions
or requests on many other topics. Once again, the answer is, You don't know
- so why derail the discussion with a baseless presumption that it's not
important to many users?
| | Personnaly I wouldn't visit a shop (which also may not like to be visited),
and it takes the same time for an order to be delivered 1 km or 1000 km away
within the same Country.
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Indeed. And so personally you would not want to offer local pickup as a seller,
or do local pickup as a buyer. That's fine - but once again totally irrelevant
to the suggestion, which is to allow buyers who DO want to do local pickup the
ability to find sellers in their area who are ALREADY HAPPY TO DO LOCAL PICKUP
and have noted that on their Terms page.
| | Everything has a cost, at BrickLink they'll calculate cost and return or
at least importance in terms of global improvement for the users.
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Nope, sorry, not true - the "cost" of adding a "local pickup"
checkbox somewhere on the seller settings pages and allowing buyers to search
stores by city (or ZIP/postal code) when they already can search by state/province
is minimal. It's not difficult to implement.
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Yeah, it's obvious and everyone knows I'm a sock puppet
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The pattern is indeed quite obvious. There's no accusation here about your
character or motives, just a reasonable observation based on the words that you
yourself have chosen to write.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2024 17:18 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | Nope, sorry, not true - the "cost" of adding a "local pickup"
checkbox somewhere on the seller settings pages and allowing buyers to search
stores by city (or ZIP/postal code) when they already can search by state/province
is minimal. It's not difficult to implement.
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City? OK, in which language? Do you really think people searching around them
will use English, like in Romania for example? Anvers in French, Antwerpen there
and Antwerp in English, and that's an easy one. Please find an updated
list of the 25000 Romanian cities. Then other Countries - in their language?
Or implement a search system - like google - which can find a city in almost
any language? Easy peasy.
Then find an updated list of the 1,250,000 zip codes in the world - plus the
million places which don't have, so how? Updated, I mean, like every day
there are new or changes in zip codes.
And/or implement geolocalization using a vector database to be able to understand
"around me" - ah, in what, miles or km? LOL.
While this, people complain BrickLink doesn't keep orders for more than 6
months.
If they've more database space and devs available (and the money for this),
I frankly would prefer they'd keep orders for a year intead of this feature.
And IMO this will help far more members.
Anyway, voted No, and I stop about this.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2024 20:26 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
| | Do you really think people searching around them will use English, like in Romania for example?
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Well, if I were a Romanian buyer searching for stores in Romania, I'd probably
search in Romanian rather than English.
I don't think it's that far-fetched. BrickLink already allows buyers
to search stores by name. Perhaps the same code could be used to give sellers
an optional text field where they can type their location.
Of course, sellers can type anything they want, but sellers that want
buyers to find them easily will make it easy for buyers to find them.
The advantage of doing it this way is that it is searchable, unlike the store
terms and about me page, which are not.
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| In Suggestions, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
| | Do you really think people searching around them will use English, like in Romania for example?
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Well, if I were a Romanian buyer searching for stores in Romania, I'd probably
search in Romanian rather than English.
I don't think it's that far-fetched. BrickLink already allows buyers
to search stores by name. Perhaps the same code could be used to give sellers
an optional text field where they can type their location.
Of course, sellers can type anything they want, but sellers that want
buyers to find them easily will make it easy for buyers to find them.
The advantage of doing it this way is that it is searchable, unlike the store
terms and about me page, which are not.
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Exactly. Well-said and well-reasoned. Thanks!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Feb 19, 2024 20:45 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | Does the EU regulation specifically say that province/canton does not count as
location but city does? Unless that's the case, I would respectfully say
that once again your point is not relevant to my request.
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Well, it is relevant to your original request insofar as many BrickLink members
are citizens of the European Union and therefore governed by its laws. Thus,
BrickLink has a strong interest in maintaining compliance with European privacy
laws so that they can continue to do business in Europe.
This may also explain, at least in part, why BrickLink has not yet developed
this feature. If it can't be used by many of their members, that decreases
the incentive they have to develop it in the first place.
Or, it could just be pure laziness or indifference on the part of BrickLink and
the LEGO Group. They don't seem to get much done around here these days.
| | Furthermore, based on your responses - and on a clear pattern evident in a lot
of the many, many other comments you post in other threads here - you are jumping
to conclusions to explain or in some cases defend the BL status quo, and you
are doing so without sufficient evidence or information to draw those conclusions.
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I wouldn't say that. Sylvain is one of the most experienced members of this
site. You don't earn a violet brick without learning something in the process.
Now, as far as that other Sylvain goes… Well, that's a different story. 
But both Sylvains are citizens of France and the European Union and therefore
write from the perspective of such people. Things are different here in the States
where people are less concerned about privacy and more willing to share and sell
their data, as well as to discuss politics and religion in a public forum.
For example, jokes about the three-fifths compromise are okay, but jokes about
pine trees will get cancelled.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tmtomh | | Posted: | Feb 19, 2024 23:44 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | Does the EU regulation specifically say that province/canton does not count as
location but city does? Unless that's the case, I would respectfully say
that once again your point is not relevant to my request.
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Well, it is relevant to your original request insofar as many BrickLink members
are citizens of the European Union and therefore governed by its laws. Thus,
BrickLink has a strong interest in maintaining compliance with European privacy
laws so that they can continue to do business in Europe.
This may also explain, at least in part, why BrickLink has not yet developed
this feature. If it can't be used by many of their members, that decreases
the incentive they have to develop it in the first place.
Or, it could just be pure laziness or indifference on the part of BrickLink and
the LEGO Group. They don't seem to get much done around here these days.
| | Furthermore, based on your responses - and on a clear pattern evident in a lot
of the many, many other comments you post in other threads here - you are jumping
to conclusions to explain or in some cases defend the BL status quo, and you
are doing so without sufficient evidence or information to draw those conclusions.
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I wouldn't say that. Sylvain is one of the most experienced members of this
site. You don't earn a violet brick without learning something in the process.
Now, as far as that other Sylvain goes… Well, that's a different story.
But both Sylvains are citizens of France and the European Union and therefore
write from the perspective of such people. Things are different here in the States
where people are less concerned about privacy and more willing to share and sell
their data, as well as to discuss politics and religion in a public forum.
For example, jokes about the three-fifths compromise are okay, but jokes about
pine trees will get cancelled.
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Appreciate your reply, but with respect, I never said or implied that EU rules
are not relevant or important. It's been asserted by Sylvain - and immediately
so as the first response to my original post - that BL doesn't allow members
to search stores by city because that would violate EU rules against revealing
buyer or seller location.
It very well might violate those rules - but it just as well might not. The idea
that we can search by state/province and does NOT run afoul of EU rules but we
would run afoul of EU rules if we searched by city, is an idea that does not
seem to make any sense. That is why I wrote - clear as day, in the very passage
you have quoted - that if there is an EU rule that says province is okay but
city is too specific, then fine, fair enough. But unless or until someone can
produce some evidence that this seemingly arbitrary distinction is actual codified
into EU regulations and this is the reason BL doesn't enable it, then my
point stands: we do not have any evidence that adding this feature would be impossible
or would run afoul of any legal regulation.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 20, 2024 13:49 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | It very well might violate those rules - but it just as well might not. The idea
that we can search by state/province and does NOT run afoul of EU rules but we
would run afoul of EU rules if we searched by city, is an idea that does not
seem to make any sense.
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IIRC, one of the first thing that disappeared when LEGO acquired BrickLink is
the ability to see when you placed an order, if your seller or buyer was logged
in.
That existed since 2000, and suddenly this disappeared.
I don't know the reason, of course, but I guess it's the same privacy
reason.
Here whe lived 5 years ago in a 1000 inhabitants town.
Right now it's another town with 5000.
That means showing the city may (of course not for NYC or Bombay) could make
it easy to localize someone.
Again, I'm not sure of anything, but in EU laws private people who register
on a web site are by default protected for being physically located (apart specific
agreement) for obvious reasons.
Note we're professionals, name and full address are in our Terms page, but
pros are another thing. In fact, it's even mandatory for us.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Feb 21, 2024 17:27 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | The idea that we can search by state/province and does NOT run afoul of EU rules but we
would run afoul of EU rules if we searched by city, is an idea that does not seem to make any sense.
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It makes sense to me.
It's a lot easier to stalk/harass someone if you know what town/city they
live in than just the state/province.
For example, knowing that someone lives near the intersection of 30th Avenue
and Steinway Street gives you a lot more information about that person than if
you just know that they live in New York.
Of course, just knowing what neighborhood someone lives in isn't very useful,
but if you have additional information about the person, you can identify them
quite easily.
That's not to say that people outside of the European Union cannot use this
feature, but that people within the EU may not be able to use it freely, and
that decreases the incentive for BrickLink to develop it in the first place since
much of the BrickLink community resides within the jurisdiction of the EU.
| | we do not have any evidence that adding this feature would be impossible or would run afoul of any legal regulation.
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1454977
At least here in EU it's forbidden to display the location of a private
buyer or seller.
That's enough evidence for me. If you want, you can look up the actual law.
I do agree, however, that this would be a useful and desirable feature, and I
would use it if it were developed. However, given the slow pace of development
around here, I'm not very optimistic about that happening anytime soon.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tmtomh | | Posted: | Feb 21, 2024 21:39 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | The idea that we can search by state/province and does NOT run afoul of EU rules but we
would run afoul of EU rules if we searched by city, is an idea that does not seem to make any sense.
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It makes sense to me.
It's a lot easier to stalk/harass someone if you know what town/city they
live in than just the state/province.
For example, knowing that someone lives near the intersection of 30th Avenue
and Steinway Street gives you a lot more information about that person than if
you just know that they live in New York.
Of course, just knowing what neighborhood someone lives in isn't very useful,
but if you have additional information about the person, you can identify them
quite easily.
That's not to say that people outside of the European Union cannot use this
feature, but that people within the EU may not be able to use it freely, and
that decreases the incentive for BrickLink to develop it in the first place since
much of the BrickLink community resides within the jurisdiction of the EU.
| | we do not have any evidence that adding this feature would be impossible or would run afoul of any legal regulation.
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1454977
At least here in EU it's forbidden to display the location of a private
buyer or seller.
That's enough evidence for me. If you want, you can look up the actual law.
I do agree, however, that this would be a useful and desirable feature, and I
would use it if it were developed. However, given the slow pace of development
around here, I'm not very optimistic about that happening anytime soon.
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Thanks again for your reply. I don't want to needlessly prolong this exchange,
but I think an important distinction once again needs to be clarified.
To be clear, I absolutely understand your point that the more you narrow down
someone's location, the easier it is to try to use other information (for
example, info that might be available in their profile or elsewhere on the internet
by searching their username or store name or something) to identify someone's
location or real-world identity. So I understand the logic and the principle.
But just because a city is a smaller area than a state or province does not tell
us anything about what criteria EU law uses to define "displaying the location"
of a private (non-business/corporate) buyer or seller. There are a multitude
of reasonable criteria or standards the law might use to define "displaying
someone's location," and "you can't show their city" is only
one among many such possible standards.
I have tried to find the law that 1001Bricks/Sylvain is referring to, but so
far have failed to find any specific or official legal language. By all indications
he doesn't know exactly what the law says either, and he clearly doesn't
care enough to look it up either.
So no, I'm not going to take his word for it, because he doesn't know
whether making seller location searchable at the city level would or would not
run afoul of EU law, and neither do you, and neither do I (though I am still
trying to find out).
So if his assertion is good enough for you, that's your prerogative. But
it's not good enough for me because none of us has any earthly idea whether
his assertion is actually true with regard to city-level location.
Finally, he's also written that he doesn't get why people would want
to be able to search by city; he's questioned how many members would actually
use such a feature; and he's said that as a buyer he would never want to
do local pickup. So in my perception, when challenged about the EU-regulation
assertion, he's just thrown other objections at the wall to see what sticks.
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| | | I have tried to find the law that 1001Bricks/Sylvain is referring to, but so
far have failed to find any specific or official legal language. By all indications
he doesn't know exactly what the law says either, and he clearly doesn't
care enough to look it up either.
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First sample found in 3 seconds:
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/internet-telecoms/data-protection-online-privacy/index_en.htm
Read especially:
When is data processing allowed?
(BrickLink owns the buyer's data)
They're ALLOWED to use them in this ONLY specific case described here:
* they have a contract with you – for example, a contract to supply goods
or services (i.e. when you buy something online), or an employee contract
That is ALL.
In short, in Europe - where LEGO is located - the consumer address is authorized
to be used for only ONE SINGLE thing: to ship the Order. That's it.
I stop here, I don't know what this Crusade is all about, but I won't
participate anymore.
Because I ust admit, I'm very happy people can be online and don't have
to show their address or city - for sooooo OBVIOUS reasons.
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| In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | I have tried to find the law that 1001Bricks/Sylvain is referring to, but so
far have failed to find any specific or official legal language. By all indications
he doesn't know exactly what the law says either, and he clearly doesn't
care enough to look it up either.
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First sample found in 3 seconds:
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/internet-telecoms/data-protection-online-privacy/index_en.htm
Read especially:
When is data processing allowed?
(BrickLink owns the buyer's data)
They're ALLOWED to use them in this ONLY specific case described here:
* they have a contract with you – for example, a contract to supply goods
or services (i.e. when you buy something online), or an employee contract
That is ALL.
In short, in Europe - where LEGO is located - the consumer address is authorized
to be used for only ONE SINGLE thing: to ship the Order. That's it.
I stop here, I don't know what this Crusade is all about, but I won't
participate anymore.
Because I ust admit, I'm very happy people can be online and don't have
to show their address or city - for sooooo OBVIOUS reasons.
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This is exactly what I'm talking about: there's not one word or concept
in the linked page or in any of your comments that says why BL allowing users
to see sellers' state/province is NOT a violation of this EU rule but allowing
user to see sellers' city WOULD be a violation of this EU rule.
This has nothing to do with customer address. If just the seller's city constitutes
revealing their address, then so does the seller's state/province that BL
already reveals and makes searchable.
So for the 4th or 5th time, your objections here have NO logic with respect to
this EU regulation. This thread, which I started, was not about BL revealing/processing
sellers ADDRESSES. It was about their CITIES when BL ALREADY reveals/processes
the date of their STATE/PROVINCE.
You are continually misrepresenting what the requested feature actually is, and
you are continually misrepresenting what the EU reg says and does not say.
If you think BL is currently violating EU rules by revealing/processing seller
state/province-location data, then say so and make that case. If not, then you
can kindly take a seat, because you have already amply demonstrated your inability
to provide any compelling or persuasive argument that city location is uniquely
against this EU rule when state/province is not. Once you get more specific than
national location (which is necessary for tax/VAT/import reasons), location data
processing is location data processing, whether it's province or city.
You might not know what this "obsession" with this feature is, but remember
that you are the one who decided to jump in immediately with the first
comment in this thread, making the still-unsupported claim that BL can't
do this for EU legal reasons.
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| In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | ... to see sellers' state/province is NOT a violation of this EU rule but allowing
user to see sellers' city WOULD be a violation of this EU rule.
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Privacy is for everyone (here at least).
And because 90% (?) of BrickLink sellers are the same as customers: private individuals,
not professionals.
"I am a Lego hobbyist and have collected Lego since I was a child."
"This is not a business for me"
(Your Terms)
Sorry, I really give up.
Please open a ticket and ask why it's not implemented, if you don't like
my reply?
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| In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | ... to see sellers' state/province is NOT a violation of this EU rule but allowing
user to see sellers' city WOULD be a violation of this EU rule.
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Privacy is for everyone (here at least).
And because 90% (?) of BrickLink sellers are the same as customers: private individuals,
not professionals.
"I am a Lego hobbyist and have collected Lego since I was a child."
"This is not a business for me"
(Your Terms)
Sorry, I really give up.
Please open a ticket and ask why it's not implemented, if you don't like
my reply?
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Please do give up - no one required or asked you to be the arbitrator of this
suggestion - you inserted yourself into the thread as the first and I believe
now the most frequent responder. That’s fine - but if you do that and claim to
have an answer to the query then your answer actually has to be an answer. It’s
not that I like or don’t like your reply - in fact, I love and agree with the
principle that “Privacy for everyone”. It’s not that I don’t like that idea -
it’s that it’s not responsive to the original suggestion/query, because neither
it nor the text of the EU rule tells us anything about whether BL is legally
barred from extending the existing state/province location information to the
city level.
So yes, there’s nothing more you can add here if you don’t have any information
relevant to that specific distinction.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 20, 2024 13:42 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | Furthermore, based on your responses - and on a clear pattern evident in a lot
of the many, many other comments you post in other threads here - you are jumping
to conclusions to explain or in some cases defend the BL status quo, and you
are doing so without sufficient evidence or information to draw those conclusions.
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I wouldn't say that. Sylvain is one of the most experienced members of this
site. You don't earn a violet brick without learning something in the process.
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Thank you. But I've learnt not to talk to strangers in Forum!
| | Now, as far as that other Sylvain goes… Well, that's a different story.
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Agreed
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2024 16:19 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | To my knowledge, there is currently no way to search stores by location beyond
the state/province level.
Would it be possible to be able to search down to the city level, or perhaps
by distance from your own location? And would it be possible to add a "local
pickup" checkbox in sellers' store configuration pages so that buyers
could search stores based on that criterion?
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Unlikely to happen as people would use it combined with cash on collection to
avoid paying sales tax.
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| | | | | | | Author: | tmtomh | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2024 16:33 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | To my knowledge, there is currently no way to search stores by location beyond
the state/province level.
Would it be possible to be able to search down to the city level, or perhaps
by distance from your own location? And would it be possible to add a "local
pickup" checkbox in sellers' store configuration pages so that buyers
could search stores based on that criterion?
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Unlikely to happen as people would use it combined with cash on collection to
avoid paying sales tax.
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That makes no sense. The transaction still happens at BL (or PayPal off-site),
and so the payment processing company (e.g. PayPal) still collects sales tax.
The only thing they don't collect sales tax on is the shipping cost - but
that's because there is no shipping cost when it's local pickup.
Now, I suppose once a seller and buyer found each other they could simply bypass
Bricklink altogether and do a private purchase. But nothing is stopping buyers
and sellers from doing that now, including buyers and sellers who live nowhere
near each other. Once you do a single transaction, you both have each other's
name and address. If the buyer and seller feel they can trust each other, they
can make whatever private arrangement they want in the future - and that has
nothing to do with collecting sales tax or anything else.
So with respect I don't think sales tax collection is at all relevant here.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2024 16:51 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | To my knowledge, there is currently no way to search stores by location beyond
the state/province level.
Would it be possible to be able to search down to the city level, or perhaps
by distance from your own location? And would it be possible to add a "local
pickup" checkbox in sellers' store configuration pages so that buyers
could search stores based on that criterion?
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Unlikely to happen as people would use it combined with cash on collection to
avoid paying sales tax.
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That makes no sense. The transaction still happens at BL (or PayPal off-site),
and so the payment processing company (e.g. PayPal) still collects sales tax.
The only thing they don't collect sales tax on is the shipping cost - but
that's because there is no shipping cost when it's local pickup.
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It does make sense as it helps you find sellers local to you where you can pay
cash when collecting instead of paying online through IC.
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Now, I suppose once a seller and buyer found each other they could simply bypass
Bricklink altogether and do a private purchase. But nothing is stopping buyers
and sellers from doing that now, including buyers and sellers who live nowhere
near each other. Once you do a single transaction, you both have each other's
name and address. If the buyer and seller feel they can trust each other, they
can make whatever private arrangement they want in the future - and that has
nothing to do with collecting sales tax or anything else.
So with respect I don't think sales tax collection is at all relevant here.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2024 17:21 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | To my knowledge, there is currently no way to search stores by location beyond
the state/province level.
Would it be possible to be able to search down to the city level, or perhaps
by distance from your own location? And would it be possible to add a "local
pickup" checkbox in sellers' store configuration pages so that buyers
could search stores based on that criterion?
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Unlikely to happen as people would use it combined with cash on collection to
avoid paying sales tax.
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That makes no sense. The transaction still happens at BL (or PayPal off-site),
and so the payment processing company (e.g. PayPal) still collects sales tax.
The only thing they don't collect sales tax on is the shipping cost - but
that's because there is no shipping cost when it's local pickup.
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It does make sense as it helps you find sellers local to you where you can pay
cash when collecting instead of paying online through IC.
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Ahem... and avoid taxes and why not BrickLink and PayPal fees 
I'm sure they didn't think about this at BrickLink, luckily we're
smart on forum.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tmtomh | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2024 17:21 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | To my knowledge, there is currently no way to search stores by location beyond
the state/province level.
Would it be possible to be able to search down to the city level, or perhaps
by distance from your own location? And would it be possible to add a "local
pickup" checkbox in sellers' store configuration pages so that buyers
could search stores based on that criterion?
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Unlikely to happen as people would use it combined with cash on collection to
avoid paying sales tax.
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That makes no sense. The transaction still happens at BL (or PayPal off-site),
and so the payment processing company (e.g. PayPal) still collects sales tax.
The only thing they don't collect sales tax on is the shipping cost - but
that's because there is no shipping cost when it's local pickup.
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It does make sense as it helps you find sellers local to you where you can pay
cash when collecting instead of paying online through IC.
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Now, I suppose once a seller and buyer found each other they could simply bypass
Bricklink altogether and do a private purchase. But nothing is stopping buyers
and sellers from doing that now, including buyers and sellers who live nowhere
near each other. Once you do a single transaction, you both have each other's
name and address. If the buyer and seller feel they can trust each other, they
can make whatever private arrangement they want in the future - and that has
nothing to do with collecting sales tax or anything else.
So with respect I don't think sales tax collection is at all relevant here.
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Sure, but once you've done a single transaction with any seller, no matter
how near or far they are to you, you can use PayPal Friends and Family or Venmo
or Zelle or CashApp or whatever to do the same thing. Knowing their location
doesn't have anything to do with that.
And once again, that has nothing to do with evading sales tax - it's about
going outside BL itself.
So your argument is that Bricklink allows local pickup, and lets buyers see sellers'
exact address, but to try to stop evasion of sales tax through cash purchases,
it doesn't let buyers SEARCH for sellers based on whether they do local pickup,
and it lets buyers see sellers' exact address after a single transaction
but won't let them search for just their city or ZIP code before they've
done a first transaction.
That's completely illogical and makes no sense as an explanation. Your point
is not persuasive, to say the least.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2024 03:25 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | Sure, but once you've done a single transaction with any seller, no matter
how near or far they are to you, you can use PayPal Friends and Family or Venmo
or Zelle or CashApp or whatever to do the same thing. Knowing their location
doesn't have anything to do with that.
And once again, that has nothing to do with evading sales tax - it's about
going outside BL itself.
So your argument is that Bricklink allows local pickup, and lets buyers see sellers'
exact address, but to try to stop evasion of sales tax through cash purchases,
it doesn't let buyers SEARCH for sellers based on whether they do local pickup,
and it lets buyers see sellers' exact address after a single transaction
but won't let them search for just their city or ZIP code before they've
done a first transaction.
That's completely illogical and makes no sense as an explanation. Your point
is not persuasive, to say the least.
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I think what yorbrick is trying to say is that being able to search a buyer or
seller's address may not prevent people from transacting outside of BrickLink,
but it makes it easier since you can circumvent BrickLink entirely without even
having to place a single order to begin with. The way it currently works, at
least BrickLink gets the first order.
For example, a member registered in Pennsylvania could be in Philadelphia or
Pittsburgh, but there's no way to know without placing an order first, and
I'm not sure how many people are willing to drive 300+ miles to pick up a
BrickLink order.
At least that's BrickLink's rationale. It could also simply be due to
the fact that they have not yet developed this feature, but that doesn't
mean they never will.
There's nothing stopping people from putting their address in their store
terms or about me page, but those fields are not easy to search.
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| | | | | Author: | Brickman4you | | Posted: | Feb 21, 2024 17:46 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | To my knowledge, there is currently no way to search stores by location beyond
the state/province level.
Would it be possible to be able to search down to the city level, or perhaps
by distance from your own location? And would it be possible to add a "local
pickup" checkbox in sellers' store configuration pages so that buyers
could search stores based on that criterion?
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I'm reminded again, make sure my seafood comes from reliable sources...
As for a need to know location seems a mute point. If you ever have tried to
do a meetup via Facebook, letgo, offerup, craigslist, or the like you will
know that your time and gas money is more valuable than a $4.00 shipping charge.
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| In Suggestions, Brickman4you writes:
| | In Suggestions, tmtomh writes:
| | To my knowledge, there is currently no way to search stores by location beyond
the state/province level.
Would it be possible to be able to search down to the city level, or perhaps
by distance from your own location? And would it be possible to add a "local
pickup" checkbox in sellers' store configuration pages so that buyers
could search stores based on that criterion?
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I'm reminded again, make sure my seafood comes from reliable sources...
As for a need to know location seems a mute point. If you ever have tried to
do a meetup via Facebook, letgo, offerup, craigslist, or the like you will
know that your time and gas money is more valuable than a $4.00 shipping charge.
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I know for a fact that there are BL members - including at least one who's
a very public YouTuber 100s of thousands of subscribers - who have found BL sellers
who are local to them, and who have developed good relations with them and regularly
pick up orders from them locally. It's not a FB, Craigslist, or OfferUp meetup
because it's not a random stranger and it's not necessarily a one-time
thing: it's a seller who regularly sells one particular item (Lego) on a
platform dedicated to the buying and selling of that item, a platform that you're
both registered members of.
More simply, it doesn't matter if you (or I) think it's easier and more
efficient to have items shipped. Some people find local pickup convenient, and
the BL platform and feedback system makes it a simple matter to have easy communication
and dependable, protected transactions via local pickup. If dozens, or 100s,
or more BL members would occasionally or frequently make use of local sellers
they could pick up from when they were already running errands or coming home
from work or making a large bulk purchase or buying boxes sets easily damaged
in shipping or whatever, why would any of us actively argue against enabling
them to find those local sellers?
The only "it's not worth it" argument against adding city-level location
info for sellers and a "local pickup" flag/checkbox for stores is that
so few people would take advantage of it that it's not worth the time and
effort for BL to implement the feature. Given the enormous size of BL's membership,
I don't think anyone has come close to establishing that this is that kind
of "no one would use it" edge case.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Familybuild | | Posted: | Feb 22, 2024 12:39 | | Subject: | Re: Search/Find Stores by City and Local Pickup? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| It might be that he is there on invite, ytubers can have all kinds of arrangements..
Getting in a video with 100rds of thousands of subs, is amazing marketing.
If stores want to be found, outside BL actively they most likely are actively
marketing to be found outside of BL..
Also to give some perspective, one province here, fits inside of a state multiple
times, the population in it, can be placed in the bigger city's easy..
So this does make it relativly different and hard to compare
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USA, Pennsylvania
France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
United Kingdom, England
Netherlands, Zuid-Holland