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| | | Author: | Poncke  | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2024 17:21 | | Subject: | Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 239 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
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| | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2024 17:27 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
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The seller has to send the IOSS number electronically, the VAT invoice is not
sufficient.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Poncke | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2024 17:33 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, peregrinator writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
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The seller has to send the IOSS number electronically, the VAT invoice is not
sufficient.
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Ok, I did not know that. Where do they have to send this number to? And if they
didnt? How do I get my VAT refunded? Contact BL? They took it, not the seller.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2024 17:39 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| | | Ok, I did not know that. Where do they have to send this number to?
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it is submitted when they make the shipping label. for example this is how it
is for me when i send with tax stuff. (with my current provider I make "classes"
so that's why I have multiple saved options but with my prior carrier i just
entered it each time)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Poncke | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2024 17:51 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, Nubs_Select writes:
| | | | Ok, I did not know that. Where do they have to send this number to?
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it is submitted when they make the shipping label. for example this is how it
is for me when i send with tax stuff. (with my current provider I make "classes"
so that's why I have multiple saved options but with my prior carrier i just
entered it each time)
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Ok, I have no clue if the seller did that. I will ask him.
Lets say they didnt do that, how can I get the VAT back?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2024 18:15 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| | | Ok, I have no clue if the seller did that. I will ask him.
Lets say they didnt do that, how can I get the VAT back?
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Frankly it's a mess.
The Seller should have done a correct work. But then it's Indonesia... maybe
they don't know, or don't understand our laws/language, or they can't
or even don't want to, who knows?
BrickLink (as what I read recently) may have to refund you the VAT paid twice.
But frankly, I've doubts.
I'd simply:
* let the parcel bounce back to the seller, and would ask for a refund.
* or as you bought there it means it was really worth the shipping price AND
the delay, then why not paying this VAT (again)?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2024 19:26 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, 1001bricks writes:
| | The Seller should have done a correct work. But then it's Indonesia... maybe
they don't know, or don't understand our laws/language, or they can't
or even don't want to, who knows?
BrickLink (as what I read recently) may have to refund you the VAT paid twice.
But frankly, I've doubts.
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I contacted the Dutch postal service about this on an earlier order.
When the parcel arrives without that digital code, they have to charge the import
taxes and will not refund, they refer to Bricklink for that.
Bricklink should have a procedure where they refund taxes when the buyer can
prove they paid twice. Bricklink in their turn, then does not have to pay those
taxes on that order either.
Sounded like to much of an headache to me, so I didn't even try to ask Bricklink
the refund. It has made several orders more expensive though...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 03:06 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Ok, I have no clue if the seller did that. I will ask him.
Lets say they didnt do that, how can I get the VAT back?
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Frankly it's a mess.
The Seller should have done a correct work. But then it's Indonesia... maybe
they don't know, or don't understand our laws/language, or they can't
or even don't want to, who knows?
BrickLink (as what I read recently) may have to refund you the VAT paid twice.
But frankly, I've doubts.
I'd simply:
* let the parcel bounce back to the seller, and would ask for a refund.
* or as you bought there it means it was really worth the shipping price AND
the delay, then why not paying this VAT (again)?
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Bricklink needs a guide on how sellers should handle the processing, and maybe
a tutorial on it. Then there should be a tick box for sellers in settings (off
by default) to say they have understood their obligations before allowing them
to add any VAT collecting destinations to their shipping options. It would also
be good to have a reporting system like NSS where if buyers report sellers are
not handling international shipping properly, then they are banned from international
shipping until they complete the training again.
I order a lot of electronic components from aliexpress. I've not had a single
VAT error from those sellers.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Poncke | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 03:51 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Ok, I have no clue if the seller did that. I will ask him.
Lets say they didnt do that, how can I get the VAT back?
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Frankly it's a mess.
The Seller should have done a correct work. But then it's Indonesia... maybe
they don't know, or don't understand our laws/language, or they can't
or even don't want to, who knows?
BrickLink (as what I read recently) may have to refund you the VAT paid twice.
But frankly, I've doubts.
I'd simply:
* let the parcel bounce back to the seller, and would ask for a refund.
* or as you bought there it means it was really worth the shipping price AND
the delay, then why not paying this VAT (again)?
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If I let it bounce back, I will lose the 24 dollar shipping. So thats no option
either.
But the seller sent me a screenshot of the IOSS confirmation. It says "VAT
has been collected sufficiently under the IOSS mechanism"
Not sure why I still need to pay VAT then?? I will see if I can get this sorted
locally, if not, I will ask for a refund from BL. I mean it is no loss to them,
it is not their money in the first place.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 04:11 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| | | Not sure why I still need to pay VAT then?? I will see if I can get this sorted
locally, if not, I will ask for a refund from BL. I mean it is no loss to them,
it is not their money in the first place.
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It is their money, in the sense that they are legally obliged to collect it for
all relevant orders. If online marketplaces were allowed to refund taxes based
on the say so of their users then there is a huge loop hole in the system. The
byyer could send the marketplace a faked VAT payment certificate (that they have
no way of checking) and the buyer avoids paying VAT.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Poncke | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 04:20 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Not sure why I still need to pay VAT then?? I will see if I can get this sorted
locally, if not, I will ask for a refund from BL. I mean it is no loss to them,
it is not their money in the first place.
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It is their money, in the sense that they are legally obliged to collect it for
all relevant orders. If online marketplaces were allowed to refund taxes based
on the say so of their users then there is a huge loop hole in the system. The
byyer could send the marketplace a faked VAT payment certificate (that they have
no way of checking) and the buyer avoids paying VAT.
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Its not their money, they have to pay that to revenue or IRS in the US. So they
wont be out of pocket if they refund it. Its never their money.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 05:11 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Not sure why I still need to pay VAT then?? I will see if I can get this sorted
locally, if not, I will ask for a refund from BL. I mean it is no loss to them,
it is not their money in the first place.
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It is their money, in the sense that they are legally obliged to collect it for
all relevant orders. If online marketplaces were allowed to refund taxes based
on the say so of their users then there is a huge loop hole in the system. The
byyer could send the marketplace a faked VAT payment certificate (that they have
no way of checking) and the buyer avoids paying VAT.
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Its not their money, they have to pay that to revenue or IRS in the US. So they
wont be out of pocket if they refund it. Its never their money.
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They have to account for it. They are responsible for collecting it. That is
the whole point of the system. They have no way of knowing whether a document
a buyer supplies is genuine. If they refund and the tax was not paid, they are
still responsible for it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 05:50 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Not sure why I still need to pay VAT then?? I will see if I can get this sorted
locally, if not, I will ask for a refund from BL. I mean it is no loss to them,
it is not their money in the first place.
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It is their money, in the sense that they are legally obliged to collect it for
all relevant orders. If online marketplaces were allowed to refund taxes based
on the say so of their users then there is a huge loop hole in the system. The
byyer could send the marketplace a faked VAT payment certificate (that they have
no way of checking) and the buyer avoids paying VAT.
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Its not their money, they have to pay that to revenue or IRS in the US. So they
wont be out of pocket if they refund it. Its never their money.
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They have to account for it. They are responsible for collecting it. That is
the whole point of the system. They have no way of knowing whether a document
a buyer supplies is genuine. If they refund and the tax was not paid, they are
still responsible for it.
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That's why some entities issue its documents with SVC codes, could be a good
suggestion for Bricklink TAX invoices and also for postal companies to implement.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Poncke | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 04:25 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Not sure why I still need to pay VAT then?? I will see if I can get this sorted
locally, if not, I will ask for a refund from BL. I mean it is no loss to them,
it is not their money in the first place.
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It is their money, in the sense that they are legally obliged to collect it for
all relevant orders. If online marketplaces were allowed to refund taxes based
on the say so of their users then there is a huge loop hole in the system. The
byyer could send the marketplace a faked VAT payment certificate (that they have
no way of checking) and the buyer avoids paying VAT.
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And its not on my say so. There is proof to back it up. The seller has the VAT
confirmation from BL and I have the confirmation from the local post service
that they are collecting VAT. So there is no say so, its back by proof. Why should
I be out of pocket over this? Legally I do not have to pay VAT twice.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 18:01 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | Poncke | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 03:48 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, peregrinator writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
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The seller has to send the IOSS number electronically, the VAT invoice is not
sufficient.
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So the seller sent me a screenshot of the IOSS confirmation. It says "VAT
has been collected sufficiently under the IOSS mechanism"
Not sure if that is all they had to do, but it seems that the local postal service
didnt get see that in their system then.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 13:57 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | In Taxes, peregrinator writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
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The seller has to send the IOSS number electronically, the VAT invoice is not
sufficient.
|
So the seller sent me a screenshot of the IOSS confirmation. It says "VAT
has been collected sufficiently under the IOSS mechanism"
Not sure if that is all they had to do, but it seems that the local postal service
didnt get see that in their system then.
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I would see if the local post office will accept the IOSS confirmation then.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Poncke | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 16:29 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, peregrinator writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | In Taxes, peregrinator writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
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The seller has to send the IOSS number electronically, the VAT invoice is not
sufficient.
|
So the seller sent me a screenshot of the IOSS confirmation. It says "VAT
has been collected sufficiently under the IOSS mechanism"
Not sure if that is all they had to do, but it seems that the local postal service
didnt get see that in their system then.
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I would see if the local post office will accept the IOSS confirmation then.
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Yeah I am going to contact them tomorrow. It seems the seller did everything
right. Never had an issue before sending stuff to EU countries. But Ireland is
Ireland, they do stuff backwards a lot.
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2024 19:54 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
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It's typical incompetence throughout... And why we haven't yet opened
back up to transacting with other countries again. Just not worth the hassle.
Until the various global private/governmental systems sync up a bit more (iow,
get their act together) we'll continue selling domestic only. When I see
that the newest money-grab methods have somewhat normalized, we'll reopen
to global sales.
And yes, I'm fully aware the so called necessity of the "electronic"
input of the IOSS data over hard invoice, it's failures too
-popsicle
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| | | | | | | Author: | SDF_Bricks | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 04:03 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, popsicle writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
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It's typical incompetence throughout... And why we haven't yet opened
back up to transacting with other countries again. Just not worth the hassle.
Until the various global private/governmental systems sync up a bit more (iow,
get their act together) we'll continue selling domestic only. When I see
that the newest money-grab methods have somewhat normalized, we'll reopen
to global sales.
And yes, I'm fully aware the so called necessity of the "electronic"
input of the IOSS data over hard invoice, it's failures too
-popsicle
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Not to derail the conversation, but this 'globalization' of commerce
has made this hobby (and others) extremely expensive. For example, I can't
buy/sell anything with Canada (just next door) as their taxes and SHIPPING are
just crazy. I recently sold a small part to a buyer in Montreal, the part itself
(thin flex cable for Power Puller) was $10.00, shipping was twice that amount.
So much for open borders and global trade.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 04:17 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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Not to derail the conversation, but this 'globalization' of commerce
has made this hobby (and others) extremely expensive. For example, I can't
buy/sell anything with Canada (just next door) as their taxes and SHIPPING are
just crazy. I recently sold a small part to a buyer in Montreal, the part itself
(thin flex cable for Power Puller) was $10.00, shipping was twice that amount.
So much for open borders and global trade.
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That is why big companies win out in international trade. It is nearly always
better to import enough widgets in one go and have a local distributor sell them
rather than someone in another country sell them one by one, with each shipment
needing to be processed individually. It is only in niche markets when the demand
is so low that the smaller guys have a chance.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 04:22 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Taxes, popsicle writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
|
It's typical incompetence throughout... And why we haven't yet opened
back up to transacting with other countries again. Just not worth the hassle.
Until the various global private/governmental systems sync up a bit more (iow,
get their act together) we'll continue selling domestic only. When I see
that the newest money-grab methods have somewhat normalized, we'll reopen
to global sales.
And yes, I'm fully aware the so called necessity of the "electronic"
input of the IOSS data over hard invoice, it's failures too
-popsicle
|
Not to derail the conversation, but this 'globalization' of commerce
has made this hobby (and others) extremely expensive. For example, I can't
buy/sell anything with Canada (just next door) as their taxes and SHIPPING are
just crazy. I recently sold a small part to a buyer in Montreal, the part itself
(thin flex cable for Power Puller) was $10.00, shipping was twice that amount.
So much for open borders and global trade.
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Using pirateships.com, you can ship up to 1/2 lbs for just $10:
https://www.pirateship.com/simple-export-rate
I personally don't order from USA because almost no seller in the USA did
enough search to find a cheap shipping method to Canada and want to ship directly
with USPS and charge like $26.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Ra | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 06:53 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, SezaR writes:
| | In Taxes, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Taxes, popsicle writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
|
It's typical incompetence throughout... And why we haven't yet opened
back up to transacting with other countries again. Just not worth the hassle.
Until the various global private/governmental systems sync up a bit more (iow,
get their act together) we'll continue selling domestic only. When I see
that the newest money-grab methods have somewhat normalized, we'll reopen
to global sales.
And yes, I'm fully aware the so called necessity of the "electronic"
input of the IOSS data over hard invoice, it's failures too
-popsicle
|
Not to derail the conversation, but this 'globalization' of commerce
has made this hobby (and others) extremely expensive. For example, I can't
buy/sell anything with Canada (just next door) as their taxes and SHIPPING are
just crazy. I recently sold a small part to a buyer in Montreal, the part itself
(thin flex cable for Power Puller) was $10.00, shipping was twice that amount.
So much for open borders and global trade.
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Using pirateships.com, you can ship up to 1/2 lbs for just $10:
https://www.pirateship.com/simple-export-rate
I personally don't order from USA because almost no seller in the USA did
enough search to find a cheap shipping method to Canada and want to ship directly
with USPS and charge like $26.
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Have you read the terms... gift seems like an important part of the shipment
process a business registered in the US usually isn't exporting gifts
Key "Gift may need to provide proof to customs that items are being shipped
as a gift"
Also the customer is responsible for customs.
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.Gift vs. Merchandise...
If you use Simple Export Rate for any country other than Canada, ‘Gift’ will
not be supported. If you select 'Gift' while creating a label, it will
show up as ‘Merchandise’ on the physical label once you print it. For some countries,
this will impact the amount of Customs Taxes and Fees your customer is liable
for.
For any shipment needing to be shipped as a ‘Gift,’ we recommend using USPS First
Class Package International, or USPS Priority Mail International. Keep in mind
that recipients of a Gift may need to provide proof to customs that items are
being shipped as a gift from an individual, and that not all Gift shipments will
be exempt from import taxes. Shippers are responsible for determining the right
content category for their packages.
If you are shipping to Canada, regardless of the service purchased, ‘Gift’ will
be supported and appear on the label as normal 👌
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Ra | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 07:17 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| So bare with me... I'm a bit slow...
If bricklink is collecting VAT, but the seller ships as a gift. Maybe the sellers
are being proactive trying to reduce shipping cost, improving profit. However
the shipping method is a gift, getting the customer on the hook for VAT. if the
seller ships as a gift, reducing their cost, their is an assumption by government
that taxes weren't collected. Hence leaving it to customs to collect the
appropriate taxes upon delivery
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 18:02 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, ZorBeast writes:
| | In Taxes, SezaR writes:
| | In Taxes, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Taxes, popsicle writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
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It's typical incompetence throughout... And why we haven't yet opened
back up to transacting with other countries again. Just not worth the hassle.
Until the various global private/governmental systems sync up a bit more (iow,
get their act together) we'll continue selling domestic only. When I see
that the newest money-grab methods have somewhat normalized, we'll reopen
to global sales.
And yes, I'm fully aware the so called necessity of the "electronic"
input of the IOSS data over hard invoice, it's failures too
-popsicle
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Not to derail the conversation, but this 'globalization' of commerce
has made this hobby (and others) extremely expensive. For example, I can't
buy/sell anything with Canada (just next door) as their taxes and SHIPPING are
just crazy. I recently sold a small part to a buyer in Montreal, the part itself
(thin flex cable for Power Puller) was $10.00, shipping was twice that amount.
So much for open borders and global trade.
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Using pirateships.com, you can ship up to 1/2 lbs for just $10:
https://www.pirateship.com/simple-export-rate
I personally don't order from USA because almost no seller in the USA did
enough search to find a cheap shipping method to Canada and want to ship directly
with USPS and charge like $26.
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Have you read the terms... gift seems like an important part of the shipment
process a business registered in the US usually isn't exporting gifts
Key "Gift may need to provide proof to customs that items are being shipped
as a gift"
Also the customer is responsible for customs.
"
.Gift vs. Merchandise...
If you use Simple Export Rate for any country other than Canada, ‘Gift’ will
not be supported. If you select 'Gift' while creating a label, it will
show up as ‘Merchandise’ on the physical label once you print it. For some countries,
this will impact the amount of Customs Taxes and Fees your customer is liable
for.
For any shipment needing to be shipped as a ‘Gift,’ we recommend using USPS First
Class Package International, or USPS Priority Mail International. Keep in mind
that recipients of a Gift may need to provide proof to customs that items are
being shipped as a gift from an individual, and that not all Gift shipments will
be exempt from import taxes. Shippers are responsible for determining the right
content category for their packages.
If you are shipping to Canada, regardless of the service purchased, ‘Gift’ will
be supported and appear on the label as normal 👌
"
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I fail to follow and understand and find any connection between my comment about
shipping with pirateships.com and this story of terms, gift vs. merchandise,...
Anyway, sellers should fill out custom forms and declare them as merchandise,
never gift otherwise it is called a fraud. Period.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 11:22 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, SDF_Bricks writes:
| | In Taxes, popsicle writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
|
It's typical incompetence throughout... And why we haven't yet opened
back up to transacting with other countries again. Just not worth the hassle.
Until the various global private/governmental systems sync up a bit more (iow,
get their act together) we'll continue selling domestic only. When I see
that the newest money-grab methods have somewhat normalized, we'll reopen
to global sales.
And yes, I'm fully aware the so called necessity of the "electronic"
input of the IOSS data over hard invoice, it's failures too
-popsicle
|
Not to derail the conversation, but this 'globalization' of commerce
has made this hobby (and others) extremely expensive. For example, I can't
buy/sell anything with Canada (just next door) as their taxes and SHIPPING are
just crazy. I recently sold a small part to a buyer in Montreal, the part itself
(thin flex cable for Power Puller) was $10.00, shipping was twice that amount.
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Fully understand the sentiment, as I'm sure many others also do here.
| | So much for open borders and global trade.
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Open borders is one subject, global trade another. The distinction even more
pronounced with today's use of the terms. Free Trade (which I believe you
meant) is often a misnomer in contemporary context, too.
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| | | | | Author: | udenbricks | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 05:46 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
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Maybe this is the solution:
You told the seller to add a VAT invoice.
Maybe it would have been better to ask for "The" VAT invoice.
So just ask your seller to download the Invoice on top of his order page. (see
example)
Let him send it electronicaly to you, you can send it to the customs.
I hope this helps.
Please let us know if this is good
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| | | | | | | Author: | Poncke | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 08:00 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, udenbricks writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
|
Maybe this is the solution:
You told the seller to add a VAT invoice.
Maybe it would have been better to ask for "The" VAT invoice.
So just ask your seller to download the Invoice on top of his order page. (see
example)
Let him send it electronicaly to you, you can send it to the customs.
I hope this helps.
Please let us know if this is good
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Thanks Ill get that.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Poncke | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 08:04 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, udenbricks writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
|
Maybe this is the solution:
You told the seller to add a VAT invoice.
Maybe it would have been better to ask for "The" VAT invoice.
So just ask your seller to download the Invoice on top of his order page. (see
example)
Let him send it electronicaly to you, you can send it to the customs.
I hope this helps.
Please let us know if this is good
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Just checked my invoice, in the itemisation total the VAT is not even mentioned.
This is poor from Bricklink. The total doesnt even make sense without listing
the VAT.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | udenbricks | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 08:27 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | In Taxes, udenbricks writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
|
Maybe this is the solution:
You told the seller to add a VAT invoice.
Maybe it would have been better to ask for "The" VAT invoice.
So just ask your seller to download the Invoice on top of his order page. (see
example)
Let him send it electronicaly to you, you can send it to the customs.
I hope this helps.
Please let us know if this is good
|
Just checked my invoice, in the itemisation total the VAT is not even mentioned.
This is poor from Bricklink. The total doesnt even make sense without listing
the VAT.
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Is the VAT mentioned on YOUR order page?
If not then BL did not take your VAT
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 12:24 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| | | Just checked my invoice, in the itemisation total the VAT is not even mentioned.
This is poor from Bricklink. The total doesnt even make sense without listing
the VAT.
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That's the Invoice E-MAIL.
It doesn't mean anything, as the seller can use the default template or use
a specific template - and may or may not show VAT, Sales Tax, whatever...
At the contrary VAT (if exists) WILL be always shown in the Order Page.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Poncke | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 16:20 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Just checked my invoice, in the itemisation total the VAT is not even mentioned.
This is poor from Bricklink. The total doesnt even make sense without listing
the VAT.
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That's the Invoice E-MAIL.
It doesn't mean anything, as the seller can use the default template or use
a specific template - and may or may not show VAT, Sales Tax, whatever...
At the contrary VAT (if exists) WILL be always shown in the Order Page.
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It shows on the order page, and I got the VAT invoice from the buyer where it
shows VAT was taken successfully on the IOSS mechanism. Seller also said he does
this often and never had an issue. This is the first time it has gone wrong.
Anyway, seller is very helpful and provided me with all screenshots and documentation.
I never got any VAT invoice myself.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 11:20 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, udenbricks writes:
| | […]
Maybe this is the solution:
You told the seller to add a VAT invoice.
Maybe it would have been better to ask for "The" VAT invoice.
So just ask your seller to download the Invoice on top of his order page. (see
example)
Let him send it electronicaly to you, you can send it to the customs.
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1. The buyer should already have received that VAT invoice by e-mail, at the
same time as the seller.
2. I doubt it’ll work. The IOSS has to be sent electronically. They don’t care
about papers and they don’t refund.
It’s BrickLink that should refund the VAT they collected when the buyer sends
them the proof they had to pay at reception (https://www.grantthornton.nl/en/insights-en/topics/vat/eu-solutions-to-ioss-problems-approved/
).
Unfortunately, BL doesn’t do that.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Poncke | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 16:25 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Taxes, udenbricks writes:
| | […]
Maybe this is the solution:
You told the seller to add a VAT invoice.
Maybe it would have been better to ask for "The" VAT invoice.
So just ask your seller to download the Invoice on top of his order page. (see
example)
Let him send it electronicaly to you, you can send it to the customs.
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1. The buyer should already have received that VAT invoice by e-mail, at the
same time as the seller.
2. I doubt it’ll work. The IOSS has to be sent electronically. They don’t care
about papers and they don’t refund.
It’s BrickLink that should refund the VAT they collected when the buyer sends
them the proof they had to pay at reception (https://www.grantthornton.nl/en/insights-en/topics/vat/eu-solutions-to-ioss-problems-approved/
).
Unfortunately, BL doesn’t do that.
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I never received any VAT invoice from Bricklink. The seller has his one though.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | ghyde | | Posted: | Jan 11, 2024 03:32 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Taxes, udenbricks writes:
| | […]
Maybe this is the solution:
You told the seller to add a VAT invoice.
Maybe it would have been better to ask for "The" VAT invoice.
So just ask your seller to download the Invoice on top of his order page. (see
example)
Let him send it electronicaly to you, you can send it to the customs.
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1. The buyer should already have received that VAT invoice by e-mail, at the
same time as the seller.
2. I doubt it’ll work. The IOSS has to be sent electronically. They don’t care
about papers and they don’t refund.
It’s BrickLink that should refund the VAT they collected when the buyer sends
them the proof they had to pay at reception (https://www.grantthornton.nl/en/insights-en/topics/vat/eu-solutions-to-ioss-problems-approved/
).
Unfortunately, BL doesn’t do that.
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Why doesn't BrickLink refund it? If it is a legal requirement that they collect
it, it should also be a legal requirement that they refund it where they are
legally obligated to.
This just doesn't make sense. If VAT was paid twice, and BrickLink is supposed
to be responsible for the VAT transactions, and they do not fulfill their obligations,
then that would potentially open them to litigation by buyers who are unable
to claim back doubly paid VAT that should not have been collected twice in the
first place.
Two wrongs don't make a right. If BrickLink has obligations to collect and
remit VAT, then they should also be obligated to refund in the case of double
payment of VAT.
Why they are not responsible is not clear to me. If it is because the relevant
laws have not been updated to reflect this, then BrickLink is left holding a
bag of VAT that was double paid, and when they are required to correct the double
payment, they should then be able to refund the double payment.
One would think so, but I fail to see why BrickLink would not be flagging this
as an identifiable issue to the authorities who are responsible for ensuring
VAT is paid correctly in the first place.
I fail to see any point in using BrickLink for selling if there is anything that
would mean a buyer would get double charged for VAT. I can only hope that this
error is fixed in the system.
I'm not trying to hate, I am just disappointed in BrickLink's apparent
lack of ability to do something about a payment that was paid twice when it did
not have to be paid twice.
This just complicates and sets back any plans I may have for reopening my BrickLink
store, as I will not be a seller who would allow this to be done to a buyer who
would buy from my store, period. I don't care what BrickLink is locked into
regarding the VAT situation, it just is not my intention to knowingly allow buyers
to get double charged.
Cheers ...
ghyde
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| | | | | | | Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 18:08 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, udenbricks writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
|
Maybe this is the solution:
You told the seller to add a VAT invoice.
Maybe it would have been better to ask for "The" VAT invoice.
So just ask your seller to download the Invoice on top of his order page. (see
example)
Let him send it electronicaly to you, you can send it to the customs.
I hope this helps.
Please let us know if this is good
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The Order Summery line also has an "IOSS No" link for orders that require
the IOSS number to be electronically transmitted when purchasing postage online.
Here is what the popup window shows when you click on the link:
The IOSS link shows the following info in a popup window when opened:
BrickLink IOSS number: XXXXXXXXXXX
You must share BrickLink’s IOSS number directly with your shipping carrier so
that the shipping carrier can submit this information electronically. This helps
to ensure that the buyer will not be charged VAT twice.
You MUST NOT use BrickLink’s IOSS number for any other purpose and NEVER write
this number on your packages.
Note: Always double-check this process with your local shipping carrier as the
process may vary. Some shipping carriers cannot accept or submit IOSS numbers
in post office locations, so you may only be able to do this online. If your
carrier cannot transmit our IOSS number electronically, the buyer could be charged
VAT a second time.
Visit the EU marketplace help page to learn more about the IOSS number.
As far as I know the IOSS link will always show up on orders that require the
IOSS number.
Jim.
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| | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 09:20 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
|
I had this happen to a buying customer of mine, they paid VAT, I included the
invoice and they got charged.
So, I re-read my instructions, realized I did it wrong, so it was my fault, so
I refunded the tax to my customer.
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| | | | | | | Author: | ghyde | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 18:28 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, Brettj666 writes:
| | In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
|
I had this happen to a buying customer of mine, they paid VAT, I included the
invoice and they got charged.
So, I re-read my instructions, realized I did it wrong, so it was my fault, so
I refunded the tax to my customer.
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Was that the right thing to do, though? Two wrongs don't make a right.
By that I mean if the responsibility to refund the VAT was not yours, but the
responsibility of BrickLink, then you might have done the wrong thing. You cannot
take responsibility for something which is a legal requirement that BrickLink
collects and remits.
You should clarify your statements above further in order to avoid confusion
and misinterpretation of them.
Just my thoughts on this matter.
Cheers ...
ghyde
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| | | | | Author: | kittybrickz | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2024 20:06 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| Hi, I made this mistake when Bricklink went down, as a new seller I did not know
how to handle VAT. Long story short, it's when BL was shut down in Nov.
In Canada, we have to give the IOSS number to the post office for them to send
ahead electronically to your country. I'm thinking this step was missed for
you. So even if the package has the VAT receipt on the outside, we still have
to send the IOSS ahead. It is "supposed" to save you time, collecting
the VAT in advance, so that you don't have to do cash on delivery etc but
it seems that there are lots of instances where double VAT is being collected
because of the system.
I did try to look up VAT refund information, but being outside of the country
collecting the VAT made it very difficult to find anything other than yearly
VAT tax refund for permanent residents.
I'm sorry this happened, it is an expensive mistake. Hopefully you can find
out something more from your government website. Best wishes
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| | | | | | | Author: | Leidel75 | | Posted: | Jan 10, 2024 04:27 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, kittybrickz writes:
| | Hi, I made this mistake when Bricklink went down, as a new seller I did not know
how to handle VAT. Long story short, it's when BL was shut down in Nov.
In Canada, we have to give the IOSS number to the post office for them to send
ahead electronically to your country. I'm thinking this step was missed for
you. So even if the package has the VAT receipt on the outside, we still have
to send the IOSS ahead. It is "supposed" to save you time, collecting
the VAT in advance, so that you don't have to do cash on delivery etc but
it seems that there are lots of instances where double VAT is being collected
because of the system.
I did try to look up VAT refund information, but being outside of the country
collecting the VAT made it very difficult to find anything other than yearly
VAT tax refund for permanent residents.
I'm sorry this happened, it is an expensive mistake. Hopefully you can find
out something more from your government website. Best wishes
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The problem is that a lot of sellers do not know how to handle the IOSS information
correctly, most of them think that attaching a printout of the document to the
package is sufficient.
As for getting it back from the Tax services, good luck with that. Here in the
Netherlands we have to ask the postal services for dispensation to claim back
the VAT on their behalf with the tax services, since they were the ones that
pay the taxes, not you (you pay it to the postal services and they pay the tax
service) and of course you still have to pay the handling fee.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jan 10, 2024 22:41 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jan 10, 2024 22:48 | | Subject: | Re: Have to pay VAT twice. What can be done? | | Viewed: | 100 times | | Topic: | Taxes | |
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| In Taxes, Leidel75 writes:
| | In Taxes, kittybrickz writes:
| | Hi, I made this mistake when Bricklink went down, as a new seller I did not know
how to handle VAT. Long story short, it's when BL was shut down in Nov.
In Canada, we have to give the IOSS number to the post office for them to send
ahead electronically to your country. I'm thinking this step was missed for
you. So even if the package has the VAT receipt on the outside, we still have
to send the IOSS ahead. It is "supposed" to save you time, collecting
the VAT in advance, so that you don't have to do cash on delivery etc but
it seems that there are lots of instances where double VAT is being collected
because of the system.
I did try to look up VAT refund information, but being outside of the country
collecting the VAT made it very difficult to find anything other than yearly
VAT tax refund for permanent residents.
I'm sorry this happened, it is an expensive mistake. Hopefully you can find
out something more from your government website. Best wishes
|
The problem is that a lot of sellers do not know how to handle the IOSS information
correctly, most of them think that attaching a printout of the document to the
package is sufficient.
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If a demand or levy of your hard earned money is made upon you, common sense
dictates that the method of taxation should be facilitated by the extortionists
without disrupting commerce. End of story, or should be that is... If they want
the money of others, provide a convenient and functional means to collect it.
Don't make the extorted jump through hoops to pay. It's insult upon injury
But then again, what does an old man know about the world
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As for getting it back from the Tax services, good luck with that. Here in the
Netherlands we have to ask the postal services for dispensation to claim back
the VAT on their behalf with the tax services, since they were the ones that
pay the taxes, not you (you pay it to the postal services and they pay the tax
service) and of course you still have to pay the handling fee.
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| In Taxes, Poncke writes:
| | I am in Ireland. Ordered from Indonesia, BL took the VAT on placing the order.
I told the seller to add a VAT invoice on the package to prevent double VAT.
Just got the email from customs, telling me to pay VAT otherwise the package
goes back to Indonesia.
I cannot check what the seller has done until I have the package. And as a private
individual I have no option to claim back VAT from Irish Revenue.
Any advice welcome, thanks.
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I had one case (Was it Poland or Hungary...?) that I even electronically added
the IOSS number, but the buyer was charged again.
As VAT is already paid and collected, what if seller declares a very low value?
I am not sure if this is still technically called a fraud because the buyer has
paid the VAT but in case he gets again charged for VAT , it would be just 1 or
2 Euro! 
I think when they charge VAT again, that is what we can call a fraud against
buyer.
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