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| | | Author: | rylie_aitch  | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 00:12 | | Subject: | New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 331 times | | Topic: | Colors | | Status: | Open | |
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| No image because the BrickLink image compression muted it to a Dark Orange 
It's slightly neon in person!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/53430541480
What will BrickLink call it? I've heard it called both "Reddish Orange"
and "Vibrant Orange" from Lego...
Rylie
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| | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 00:16 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| | Pizza orange or solid orange or maybe orange (the fruit) orange |
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| | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 02:14 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | iprice | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 04:57 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, UTLF writes:
| | A bit pointless when compared to the other colours imo, still waiting for more
pieces in Olive Green 
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I agree tbh.
Some of the more recent colours are questionable and we could definitely do with
more olive green parts.
Some would say that we need mustard though....
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| | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 06:05 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, rylie_aitch writes:
Ideally we should be calling them exactly what Lego call them especially when
it comes to the more obscure colours where these newly introduced colours are
becoming ever more similar to existing shades. In these situations we need absolute
clarity and using different names to what Lego use will never help with that
clarity
Though I suspect it will be called something like:-
Bright Orange if not already taken or
Very Bright Orange
Very, Very Bright Orange
Very, Light Bright Orange
Very, Very, Light Bright Orange
I give up! Some day we will probably find ourselves with a Very, Very Bright
Orange that will end up less bright than the Very Bright Orange!
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stuart9 | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 06:29 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| Like the idea about that one :
Less bright very bright orange. 
In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | In Colors, rylie_aitch writes:
Ideally we should be calling them exactly what Lego call them especially when
it comes to the more obscure colours where these newly introduced colours are
becoming ever more similar to existing shades. In these situations we need absolute
clarity and using different names to what Lego use will never help with that
clarity
Though I suspect it will be called something like:-
Bright Orange if not already taken or
Very Bright Orange
Very, Very Bright Orange
Very, Light Bright Orange
Very, Very, Light Bright Orange
I give up! Some day we will probably find ourselves with a Very, Very Bright
Orange that will end up less bright than the Very Bright Orange!
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 07:12 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, rylie_aitch writes:
Neon Orange, I am sure.
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| | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 09:29 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, axaday writes:
| | In Colors, rylie_aitch writes:
Neon Orange, I am sure.
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I would call it Baby Food Orange. It's blech.
But then, I am a cool color person.
~Jen
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 10:27 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, jennnifer writes:
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But then, I am a cool color person.
~Jen
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(Beware the sharks  )
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| | | | | Author: | uticabrix | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 10:49 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| LEGO/Bricklink needs to get their color names using the same names on each platform.
In Colors, rylie_aitch writes:
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 10:58 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, uticabrix writes:
| | LEGO/Bricklink needs to get their color names using the same names on each platform.
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Make a petition on change.org?
(For LEGO to adopt BrickLink names, of course  )
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | uticabrix | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 11:27 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, uticabrix writes:
| | LEGO/Bricklink needs to get their color names using the same names on each platform.
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Make a petition on change.org?
(For LEGO to adopt BrickLink names, of course )
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Agreed!!
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| | | | | Author: | here4bricks614 | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 11:10 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| | “Vermillion” gets my vote. |
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 11:29 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, here4bricks614 writes:
| | “Vermillion” gets my vote.
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Please no. Stop taking words and giving them other definitions just for fun.
Colours are already complicated enough.
In French, and correctly (etymologically, not because I’m French ), vermillon
is rouge vif (bright red). It’s a red that tire vers l’orangé
(goes towards some oranged tint), not some kind of orange that goes towards red.
Colour patches in these entries:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vermilion
https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/vermillon
French Wiktionary shows the real pigment (HgS). Not the same colour as the LEGO
colour.
You can see the English entry has two patches: one closer to the French entry
and one more orange, called “web vermilion,” that could look like the new LEGO
colour.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | here4bricks614 | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 11:37 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, here4bricks614 writes:
| | “Vermillion” gets my vote.
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Please no. Stop taking words and giving them other definitions just for fun.
Colours are already complicated enough.
In French, and correctly (etymologically, not because I’m French ), vermillon
is rouge vif (bright red). It’s a red that tire vers l’orangé
(goes towards some oranged tint), not some kind of orange that goes towards red.
Colour patches in these entries:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vermilion
https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/vermillon
French Wiktionary shows the real pigment (HgS). Not the same colour as the LEGO
colour.
You can see the English entry has two patches: one closer to the French entry
and one more orange, called “web vermilion,” that could look like the new LEGO
colour.
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You mean like “Lilac”? What about “Violet”? Everybody is going to give you a
different answer.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 11:51 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, here4bricks614 writes:
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You mean like “Lilac”? What about “Violet”? Everybody is going to give you a
different answer.
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More reasons not to add to past wrongdoings
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 11:44 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, here4bricks614 writes:
| | “Vermillion” gets my vote.
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Please no. Stop taking words and giving them other definitions just for fun.
Colours are already complicated enough.
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Ooh... how about Persimmon?
~Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 11:56 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, jennnifer writes:
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Ooh... how about Persimmon?
~Jen
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No problem with me… except a persimmon is lighter than an orange. (Fun fact:
a persimmon is called kaki in French… which is also the French word for
khaki (the khaki green colour) )
Maybe Blood Orange? Has anyboy cut one of the new bricks yet?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 14:32 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | Maybe Blood Orange? Has anybody cut one of the new bricks yet?
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No, but I've cut myself on one of them.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 14:31 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | Please no. Stop taking words and giving them other definitions just for fun.
Colours are already complicated enough.
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Please no. Stop taking words and giving them other definitions just for fun.
Languages are already complicated enough.
Anyway, I think this more of a language/description issue than a color issue.
Vermillion is a fancy English word for a bright reddish orange color similar
to the one shown above. Some shades are more reddish and some are more orangish,
but it's an apt description, at least in English, the Lingua Franca
of the internet. I understand that vermillon has a different meaning in Français.
However, the catalog administrators seem to shy away naming colors using fancy
and/or obscure English words. Dark Red could be described as burgundy or maroon
and Bright Red could be described as crimson or scarlet. One possible exception
is Nougat, if only to avoid the racial connotations of flesh, tan, and off-white.
But Reddish Orange and Vibrant Orange are both good names for this particular
color, at least in my own personal opinion.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 15:02 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, wildchicken13 writes:
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Vermillion is a fancy English word for a bright reddish orange color similar
to the one shown above. Some shades are more reddish and some are more orangish,
but it's an apt description, at least in English, the Lingua Franca
of the internet. I understand that vermillon has a different meaning in Français.
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If you read the links I provided, you’ll see English ‘vermilion’ and French ‘vermillon’
have the same meaning, which is not a reddish orange but an orangish red.
That this meaning had been used to describe more colours (see again the reference
for “web vermilion,” with the use of the qualificative “web” to mark its deviation
from the main meaning), while still staying a ‘fancy’/rare word that no one uses
or really understands just adds reasons not to use it for this new LEGO colour.
Let’s sum this up:
— if you take the original meaning, it’s not the same colour,
— few know the word,
— its meaning has been expanded enough and transformed enough between languages
(one can read the wiktionary entries in other languages to see the different
colour swatches) to become at best vague, and at worst confusing.
Why would one want to use that word?
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But Reddish Orange and Vibrant Orange are both good names for this particular
color, at least in my own personal opinion.
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Exactly.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 15:18 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| | | If you read the links I provided, you’ll see English ‘vermilion’ and French ‘vermillon’
have the same meaning, which is not a reddish orange but an orangish red.
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Yep but they aren't English, they're USAians.
Like they call cheese what's not cheese; so they can say this color is Blue,
it'd be fine.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 15:22 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | If you read the links I provided, you’ll see English ‘vermilion’ and French ‘vermillon’
have the same meaning, which is not a reddish orange but an orangish red.
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Yep but they aren't English, they're USAians.
Like they call cheese what's not cheese; so they can say this color is Blue,
it'd be fine.
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No, no, no. That’s the hill I chose to die for!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 16:27 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | If you read the links I provided, you’ll see English ‘vermilion’ and French ‘vermillon’
have the same meaning, which is not a reddish orange but an orangish red.
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Yep but they aren't English, they're USAians.
Like they call cheese what's not cheese; so they can say this color is Blue,
it'd be fine.
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No, no, no. That’s the hill I chose to die for!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 16:33 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, 1001bricks writes:
Who is Sancho?
(I’ve already an idea of who the donkey is )
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 16:59 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, 1001bricks writes:
Who is Sancho?
(I’ve already an idea of who the donkey is )
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What's Nubs got to do with it?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 17:28 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, 1001bricks writes:
Who is Sancho?
(I’ve already an idea of who the donkey is )
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What's Nubs got to do with it?
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NUBS!!! ONLY 2 DAYS TILL HE IS FREE!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 17:40 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Nubs_Select writes:
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NUBS!!! ONLY 2 DAYS TILL HE IS FREE!
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Free of what?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 17:42 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, Nubs_Select writes:
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NUBS!!! ONLY 2 DAYS TILL HE IS FREE!
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Free of what?
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free of not being in a set made by lego (or maybe i needed a double negative
or something my brain aint working rn)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Jan 10, 2024 22:34 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, Nubs_Select writes:
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NUBS!!! ONLY 2 DAYS TILL HE IS FREE!
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Free of what?
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free of not being in a set made by lego (or maybe i needed a double negative
or something my brain aint working rn)
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He's been released!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Jan 10, 2024 22:39 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Colors, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, Nubs_Select writes:
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NUBS!!! ONLY 2 DAYS TILL HE IS FREE!
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Free of what?
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free of not being in a set made by lego (or maybe i needed a double negative
or something my brain aint working rn)
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He's been released!
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MWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA FREE
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Jan 10, 2024 22:43 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Colors, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Colors, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, Nubs_Select writes:
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NUBS!!! ONLY 2 DAYS TILL HE IS FREE!
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Free of what?
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free of not being in a set made by lego (or maybe i needed a double negative
or something my brain aint working rn)
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He's been released!
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MWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA FREE
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https://youtu.be/ui8kUKuLBaU
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| In Colors, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Colors, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Colors, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Colors, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, Nubs_Select writes:
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NUBS!!! ONLY 2 DAYS TILL HE IS FREE!
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Free of what?
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free of not being in a set made by lego (or maybe i needed a double negative
or something my brain aint working rn)
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He's been released!
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MWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA FREE
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https://youtu.be/ui8kUKuLBaU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkzT5tV36lc&ab_channel=CertixfysProductions
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 16:53 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, 1001bricks writes:
| | Yep but they aren't English, they're USAians.
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Fun fact: From 1923 to 1969, the official language of Illinois was American:
https://img.newspapers.com/img/img?clippingId=74230858
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 17:03 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, wildchicken13 writes:
Why did they stop in 1969?
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | Why did they stop in 1969?
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The British Invasion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Invasion
In all seriousness, I don't know the answer to that question since that was
a bit before my time. It could very well have been because of the popularity
of British musical artists in America during the 1960s and the desire to be perceived
as speaking "English" instead of "American".
It could also have been a simple acknowledgement of the fact that, nearly two
centuries after the Declaration of Independence was signed, British and American
English were still, for the most part, mutually intelligible.
Or, like most of my forum posts, the whole thing could have been a joke.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 16:34 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | If you read the links I provided, you’ll see English ‘vermilion’ and French ‘vermillon’
have the same meaning, which is not a reddish orange but an orangish red.
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I think the English language (at least American English) is far less refined
than you give it credit for, at least when it comes to distinguishing between
similar colors.
In my eyes, there's little difference between reddish orange and orangish
red, except perhaps for the fact that reddish orange is a bit more orange than
it is red and orangish red is a bit more red than it is orange, but that's
subjective and depends on the eye of the viewer. Both can be described as vermilion.
Wikipedia, and, by extension, Wiktionary, are generally written from a British
English perspective, so perhaps the word vermilion is used differently in British
English than in American English, but that would also be a good reason to use
it in the British sense here on BrickLink.
To me, Vermilion is the name of two separate but adjacent counties, one in the
U.S. state of Illinois, and another just across the border in Indiana:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_County,_Illinois
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermillion_County,_Indiana
It's also the name of two separate rivers in the same area:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_River_(Illinois_River_tributary)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermilion_River_(Wabash_River_tributary)
Apparently, the early settlers got confused and thought the two rivers were one,
giving them the same name.
Maybe Vermilion is just an inherently confusing word? I don't even know whether
to spell it with one L or two.
| | That this meaning had been used to describe more colours (see again the reference
for “web vermilion,” with the use of the qualificative “web” to mark its deviation
from the main meaning),
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Then perhaps we should call the new color Web Vermilion? The sample on Wiktionary
looks pretty similar to the color of the parts in the picture Rylie posted.
Having only seen the new color in digital images but never in person, I'm
not in the best position to name it. I'll leave this one to the catalog people.
| | while still staying a ‘fancy’/rare word that no one uses
or really understands just adds reasons not to use it for this new LEGO colour.
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Amen.
| | Let’s sum this up:
— if you take the original meaning, it’s not the same colour,
— few know the word,
— its meaning has been expanded enough and transformed enough between languages
(one can read the wiktionary entries in other languages to see the different
colour swatches) to become at best vague, and at worst confusing.
Why would one want to use that word?
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To create even more confusion?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 17:02 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, wildchicken13 writes:
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I think the English language (at least American English) is far less refined
than you give it credit for, […]
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Not what I’m usually accused of
*sigh* Stealing all those words from all those other languages and muddying their
meanings so much they all become synonyms doesn’t seem very efficient to me
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | Not what I’m usually accused of
*sigh* Stealing all those words from all those other languages and muddying their
meanings so much they all become synonyms doesn’t seem very efficient to me
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That's just what Americans do: steal things from other countries and blend
them all together until they become indistinguishable from one another.
Re: American English, American cheese, Americans…
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WOLKsite | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 18:17 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, wildchicken13 writes:
| | […]
I think the English language (at least American English) is far less refined
than you give it credit for, […]
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Not what I’m usually accused of
*sigh* Stealing all those words from all those other languages and muddying their
meanings so much they all become synonyms doesn’t seem very efficient to me
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I mean, this is basically how languages have evolved for thousands of years.
The only difference now is the instantaneous communication and access to knowledge
that is the internet. The meanings of words change and shift, often with the
"original" meaning being entirely lost to time. They are defined by how
you use them -- what you intend to refer to, and what your audience interprets
it as -- not by their etymology. Dictionaries are documentation of how language
is used, not outlines of how language should be used.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 18:51 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WOLKsite writes:
| | In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, wildchicken13 writes:
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I think the English language (at least American English) is far less refined
than you give it credit for, […]
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Not what I’m usually accused of
*sigh* Stealing all those words from all those other languages and muddying their
meanings so much they all become synonyms doesn’t seem very efficient to me
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I mean, this is basically how languages have evolved for thousands of years.
The only difference now is the instantaneous communication and access to knowledge
that is the internet. The meanings of words change and shift, often with the
"original" meaning being entirely lost to time. They are defined by how
you use them -- what you intend to refer to, and what your audience interprets it as --
not by their etymology.
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Well put. Except for your "use" of the term, etymology. The discipline
studies not only the origin of words, but their uses and various meanings throughout
history, development over time. What was originally meant and what is now conveyed.
In other words, it is with etymology real meaning is found even within today's
popular culture, presumably.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WOLKsite | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 22:54 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, popsicle writes:
| | In Colors, WOLKsite writes:
| | In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, wildchicken13 writes:
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I think the English language (at least American English) is far less refined
than you give it credit for, […]
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Not what I’m usually accused of
*sigh* Stealing all those words from all those other languages and muddying their
meanings so much they all become synonyms doesn’t seem very efficient to me
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I mean, this is basically how languages have evolved for thousands of years.
The only difference now is the instantaneous communication and access to knowledge
that is the internet. The meanings of words change and shift, often with the
"original" meaning being entirely lost to time. They are defined by how
you use them -- what you intend to refer to, and what your audience interprets it as --
not by their etymology.
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Well put. Except for your "use" of the term, etymology. The discipline
studies not only the origin of words, but their uses and various meanings throughout
history, development over time. What was originally meant and what is now conveyed.
In other words, it is with etymology real meaning is found even within today's
popular culture, presumably.
| | Dictionaries are documentation of how language is used, not outlines of how language should be used.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 23:34 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WOLKsite writes:
| | In Colors, popsicle writes:
| | In Colors, WOLKsite writes:
| | In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, wildchicken13 writes:
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I think the English language (at least American English) is far less refined
than you give it credit for, […]
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Not what I’m usually accused of
*sigh* Stealing all those words from all those other languages and muddying their
meanings so much they all become synonyms doesn’t seem very efficient to me
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I mean, this is basically how languages have evolved for thousands of years.
The only difference now is the instantaneous communication and access to knowledge
that is the internet. The meanings of words change and shift, often with the
"original" meaning being entirely lost to time. They are defined by how
you use them -- what you intend to refer to, and what your audience interprets it as --
not by their etymology.
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Well put. Except for your "use" of the term, etymology. The discipline
studies not only the origin of words, but their uses and various meanings throughout
history, development over time. What was originally meant and what is now conveyed.
In other words, it is with etymology real meaning is found even within today's
popular culture, presumably.
| | Dictionaries are documentation of how language is used, not outlines of how language should be used.
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Ha ett gott nytt år
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 31, 2023 06:01 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WOLKsite writes:
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| | *sigh* Stealing all those words from all those other languages and muddying their
meanings so much they all become synonyms doesn’t seem very efficient to me
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I mean, this is basically how languages have evolved for thousands of years. […]
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Not really.
Languages evolve by transforming their own words and borrowing (they don’t always
steal: they do sometimes give them back ) words from other languages to add
meanings, often to better describe what their locutors wanted and needed to describe,
or to replace words (the borrowed word replaces an older word… but that older
word also sometimes resurfaces with a slightly different meaning).
English evolved from a Germanic language, borrowed very little from Celtic languages,
borrowed a lot from Latin, a bit from Greek, then a lot from Norman French, then
a lot from all over the place. All that while it still created new words (compounding
them, deriving them…).
You can find the same Proto-Indo-European word (or rather root) three or four
times in English. For instance:
— from the Germanic: knowledge (akin to keen, uncouth, can…),
— from Greek: gnosis (and derivatives, prognosis, diagnosis…),
— from Latin: cognition (akin to ignorant, notice, noble…),
(— from French: connoisseur and maybe others closer to ‘knwoledge’ that I’m not
seeing right now).
Three different words, three similar but different meanings, same Proto-Indo-European
root: ǵneh₃.
But that’s not what I was bemoaning.
Here, I was talking of taking a lot of words, like vermilion, carmine, crimsom,
burgundy, scarlet, gules, etc., and saying: Well, they all mean red. Any red.
You can use them indiscriminately from dark red to light red, from orange to
purple. (And let’s randomly pick one for this new LEGO colour.)
No, those words each describe some kind of red, not any reddish
colour.
No language evolves by hoarding a dozen (or more) words and making them all synonyms
with a vague meaning.
And when you need to describe something precisely, like a colour in a catalogue,
you don’t pick one word at random. You compare all the possible words and look
at their usages… usages which are compiled in dictionaries
Or you create a phrase with more common and more comprehensible words
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Jan 12, 2024 03:56 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | No language evolves by hoarding a dozen (or more) words and making them all synonyms
with a vague meaning.
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English does that.
| | And when you need to describe something precisely, like a colour in a catalogue,
you don’t pick one word at random. You compare all the possible words and look
at their usages… usages which are compiled in dictionaries
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That sounds like something a French person would do.
| | Or you create a phrase with more common and more comprehensible words
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That sounds like something an English person would do.
Remember our discussion about Munster and the use of accent marks in English?
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1431534
Your first language colors your view of the world, even if you learn to speak
a second language.
When asked to describe the color of the parts in the picture below, the first
word that comes to my mind is orange, but I've neither the parts nor a dictionary.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jan 12, 2024 04:57 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, wildchicken13 writes:
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When asked to describe the color of the parts in the picture below, the first
word that comes to my mind is orange, but I've neither the parts nor a dictionary.
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Context is important.
When presented with the picture of a car, and asked to describe it, I say “it’s
(the picture of) a car.”
When presented with the picture of a car, and asked to describe it, in the
context of a catalogue of vehicles where there’s already coupés, berlines, limousine…,
I try to find something better to describe it. And as I don’t know much about
cars, I’d ask an expert or look into a book. I wouldn’t use the first specialized
term that comes to my mind and that, in my non-expert knowledge, is loosely associated
with what I see.
Then, if there’s one (or several) specialized term that matches but I find it’s
too obscure for the purpose of being a search term, I don’t use it and choose
another way to describe the car.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 12, 2024 05:15 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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word that comes to my mind is orange, but I've neither the parts nor a dictionary.
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In isolation, calling that colour orange makes sense. But put some other parts
in existing shades of orange and similar colours that don't use the word
orange, then it is obvious why you need more than just orange to describe it.
It is like opening a paintbox containing 60 tubes of different colours of paint.
Calling ten of them red, 10 blue, 10 green and so on may help group them into
rough families but doesn't distinguish within the family.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Jan 14, 2024 03:12 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| | In isolation, calling that colour orange makes sense. But put some other parts
in existing shades of orange and similar colours that don't use the word
orange, then it is obvious why you need more than just orange to describe it.
It is like opening a paintbox containing 60 tubes of different colours of paint.
Calling ten of them red, 10 blue, 10 green and so on may help group them into
rough families but doesn't distinguish within the family.
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That's the problem, though: I'm seeing this color in isolation. I'm
not a catalog administrator and I don't have any parts in this new color.
I tend to deal only with the basic LEGO colors, and to my eye, especially after
being run through BrickLink JPG compression, this new color looks exactly like
standard LEGO Orange. So I would just call it orange until I see it in person,
which will be never unless it becomes popular.
Sometimes, I wonder if the LEGO Group and BrickLink are going in the right direction.
I reckon that LEGO was a much different company in 1932 than it is today, and
that BrickLink was a much different website in 2000 than it is today. Both have
expanded greatly, but at the cost of more loyal customers and dedicated users.
Newer customers and users are more like me: they are not so picky about minor
colors and variations. But I spend much less on LEGO than a BrickLink Inventory
Administrator. These companies are sacrificing longtime fans to gain mass appeal.
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| | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 12:12 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, rylie_aitch writes:
Carrot Orange would be the obvious choice.
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| In Colors, peregrinator writes:
| | In Colors, rylie_aitch writes:
Carrot Orange would be the obvious choice.
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Clementine Orange?
Would be nice taste to mix Nougat and Clementine.
And Mustard of course.
No, disgusting, but then we should make a petition to add Mustard as a BrickLink
color!!!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 14:03 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| No mustard! It should be called orange orange to reference the fruit it’s based
off of
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| | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 14:34 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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Trans-Black (2024)
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| | | | | | | Author: | tec | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 15:07 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| | | | | Author: | WOLKsite | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 14:51 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, rylie_aitch writes:
I'd keep it simple and go for "Reddish Orange".
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I'd keep it simple and go for "Reddish Orange".
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Although, since the yellowish orange colors have been named "light orange"
on here, that implies darker colors should skew in the opposite direction of
red, and given that 402 is slightly darker and could fit in a gradient from orange
to dark orange, I also propose Medium Dark Orange (please no)
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| | | | | Author: | tec | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 15:01 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| Fanta orange
Nothing sounds more bricklinkish than naming colors in spite of Bigplasticorp
directives.
I still remember when someone tackled a new entry with a blunt "alien pee
green"... lol... and it was a yellow at that time... rofl.
Keep up the good humour pals.
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| | | | | | | Author: | psusaxman2000 | | Posted: | Dec 30, 2023 22:45 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, tec writes:
| | Fanta orange
Nothing sounds more bricklinkish than naming colors in spite of Bigplasticorp
directives.
I still remember when someone tackled a new entry with a blunt "alien pee
green"... lol... and it was a yellow at that time... rofl.
Keep up the good humour pals.
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Not Fanta, kick it old school....TANG
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| | | | | Author: | here4bricks614 | | Posted: | Dec 31, 2023 16:53 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | DanialR | | Posted: | Dec 31, 2023 17:35 | | Subject: | Re: New Color for 2024 :) | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, here4bricks614 writes:
| | “Reddish Orange” it is. No Bricklinkification this time.
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If the picture accurately represents the color then it has a HEX value of #FF5100
International Orange (#FF4F00) is the closest recognized color.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_orange)
If you want to use the Official Register of Color Names, it fits closest to:
- Maximum Orange (#FF5B00)
- Taobao Orange (#FF4200)
(https://color-register.org/list/orange-color-names)
Dan
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| In Colors, DanialR writes:
My ColorMunki Design colorimeter gave me #E04912 — better than a photo, taking
ambient lighting and post-processing out of the equation
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| | | My ColorMunki Design colorimeter gave me #E04912 — better than a photo, taking
ambient lighting and post-processing out of the equation
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Then it might be Syracuse Red Orange (#E0430F) or Flame (#E25822)
------------ Red ----- Green ---- Blue
#E04912: 87.84% - 28.63% - 07.06%
#E0430F: 87.84% - 26.27% - 05.88%
#E25822: 88.60% - 34.50% - 13.30%
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