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| | | Author: | mwright5  | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2023 11:05 | | Subject: | Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 160 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Do a search in the search bar for forest guardians. Nothing comes up, on Bricklink,
or on Google. At least nothing comes up that is Lego related. So why has the
creator of set 10305 Lion Knight's Castle taken it upon themselves to change
the name of forestmen, to forest guardians? I'll tell you why, because the
object of that set goes beyond empowering girls, which it definitely intends
to do. Queen instead of King, lady knights, etc. I have 2 daughters, and that
would not be a problem for me. I find it a bit confusing, but I'm down with
those changes. I knew about them before I bought the set. The problem is that
this set poses as a tribute to past sets, but imposes female characters into
places where they were not originally, both in life and in previous LEGO sets.
As noted, even the name forestmen, which is a widely accepted past theme that
is celebrated in the set, has been conveniently changed to forest guardians.
So it ends up being a degradation in my opinion, not a celebration. What the
heck.
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| | | | | Author: | ghyde | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2023 14:47 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| TLG likely made a marketing decision in order to appeal to a wider range of audiences.
They may also have made it more suitable for children who obviously would want
to roleplay a woman in a medieval setting, as this is becoming more common in
movies I've seen that are related in any way to medieval settings.
Cheers ...
ghyde
In General, mwright5 writes:
| | Do a search in the search bar for forest guardians. Nothing comes up, on Bricklink,
or on Google. At least nothing comes up that is Lego related. So why has the
creator of set 10305 Lion Knight's Castle taken it upon themselves to change
the name of forestmen, to forest guardians? I'll tell you why, because the
object of that set goes beyond empowering girls, which it definitely intends
to do. Queen instead of King, lady knights, etc. I have 2 daughters, and that
would not be a problem for me. I find it a bit confusing, but I'm down with
those changes. I knew about them before I bought the set. The problem is that
this set poses as a tribute to past sets, but imposes female characters into
places where they were not originally, both in life and in previous LEGO sets.
As noted, even the name forestmen, which is a widely accepted past theme that
is celebrated in the set, has been conveniently changed to forest guardians.
So it ends up being a degradation in my opinion, not a celebration. What the
heck.
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| | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 13:12 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, ghyde writes:
| | TLG likely made a marketing decision in order to appeal to a wider range of audiences.
They may also have made it more suitable for children who obviously would want
to roleplay a woman in a medieval setting, as this is becoming more common in
movies I've seen that are related in any way to medieval settings.
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I mean,
has been around for a long time, I can understand giving her an updated look
or adding additional female characters - that's no big deal.
I'm not sure "Forest Guardians" is a good name for the theme though.
It implies things that "Forestmen" does not, in addition to implying
that not all the characters are male.
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| | | | | | | Author: | ghyde | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2023 15:00 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| That's the name of the theme they're in, therefore they have to be placed
in BrickLink's theme's hierarchy according to the theme that they represent.
Cheers ...
ghyde
In General, StarBrick writes:
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2023 15:15 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, mwright5 writes:
| | Do a search in the search bar for forest guardians. Nothing comes up, on Bricklink,
or on Google. At least nothing comes up that is Lego related. So why has the
creator of set 10305 Lion Knight's Castle taken it upon themselves to change
the name of forestmen, to forest guardians? I'll tell you why, because the
object of that set goes beyond empowering girls, which it definitely intends
to do. Queen instead of King, lady knights, etc. I have 2 daughters, and that
would not be a problem for me. I find it a bit confusing, but I'm down with
those changes. I knew about them before I bought the set. The problem is that
this set poses as a tribute to past sets, but imposes female characters into
places where they were not originally, both in life and in previous LEGO sets.
As noted, even the name forestmen, which is a widely accepted past theme that
is celebrated in the set, has been conveniently changed to forest guardians.
So it ends up being a degradation in my opinion, not a celebration. What the
heck.
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Where did you see "Forest Guardian"?
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| | | | | | | Author: | mwright5 | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 08:59 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, axaday writes:
| | In General, mwright5 writes:
| | Do a search in the search bar for forest guardians. Nothing comes up, on Bricklink,
or on Google. At least nothing comes up that is Lego related. So why has the
creator of set 10305 Lion Knight's Castle taken it upon themselves to change
the name of forestmen, to forest guardians? I'll tell you why, because the
object of that set goes beyond empowering girls, which it definitely intends
to do. Queen instead of King, lady knights, etc. I have 2 daughters, and that
would not be a problem for me. I find it a bit confusing, but I'm down with
those changes. I knew about them before I bought the set. The problem is that
this set poses as a tribute to past sets, but imposes female characters into
places where they were not originally, both in life and in previous LEGO sets.
As noted, even the name forestmen, which is a widely accepted past theme that
is celebrated in the set, has been conveniently changed to forest guardians.
So it ends up being a degradation in my opinion, not a celebration. What the
heck.
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Where did you see "Forest Guardian"?
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All of the themes that are being celebrated by the set are listed on the box.
That's where it says Forest Guardians, instead of Forestmen. And it is
right beside the Forestmen Shield that has the little deer head on it. So it
is quite deliberate.
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2023 15:32 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| On the positive side, the prices for the classic king CMF and his parts have
been very good for sellers!
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| | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2023 16:32 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 11:42 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, mwright5 writes:
| | The problem is that
this set poses as a tribute to past sets, but imposes female characters into
places where they were not originally, both in life and in previous LEGO sets.
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They are imposing female characters where NO ONE was in life.
The so-called historical themes in LEGO are very poor history. Robin Hood wasn't
real and there was never a faction of people who hid in the woods and wore green.
There were no dragons or sea serpents or wizards or walking mummies. Lego Castle
has always been rife with fantasy.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 12:16 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, axaday writes:
| | In General, mwright5 writes:
| | The problem is that
this set poses as a tribute to past sets, but imposes female characters into
places where they were not originally, both in life and in previous LEGO sets.
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They are imposing female characters where NO ONE was in life.
The so-called historical themes in LEGO are very poor history. Robin Hood wasn't
real and there was never a faction of people who hid in the woods and wore green.
There were no dragons or sea serpents or wizards or walking mummies. Lego Castle
has always been rife with fantasy.
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Well, to be fair, mwright5 didn’t say it was “in life.”
On the other hand, what he’s saying is that is male only and all
forestmen and knights and soldiers were clearly all men; that no child (or adult)
(but actually especially him) ever had the crazy thought that they could be women
too.
And that is the proof placing women in these positions is necessary. Because
boys (and men) already know they can be anything they want. Because boys and
girls don’t think girls can be anything they want too unless they are shown models.
Because if you want things to change, you need to change things.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 12:33 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | And that is the proof placing women in these positions is necessary. Because
boys (and men) already know they can be anything they want.
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But be sure I never thought I'd be a lego Parts Seller 
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girls don’t think girls can be anything they want too unless they are shown models.
Because if you want things to change, you need to change things.
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Very true.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 12:56 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | And that is the proof placing women in these positions is necessary. Because
boys (and men) already know they can be anything they want.
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But be sure I never thought I'd be a lego Parts Seller
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“
I never wanted to do this job in the first place!
I… I wanted to be…
A LUMBERJACK!
Leaping from tree to tree! As they float down the mighty rivers of British Columbia!
With my best girl by my side!
The Larch!
The Pine!
The Giant Redwood tree!
The Sequoia!
The Little Whopping Rule Tree!
We’d sing! Sing! Sing!
Oh, I’m a lumberjack, and I’m okay,
I sleep all night and I work all day.
He’s a BL sellers and he’s okay,
He sleeps all night and work all day.
…” – The Lumberjack Song, the Monty Python
Another proof forestmen can be girlies… like my dear papa!
| | | | Because boys and
girls don’t think girls can be anything they want too unless they are shown models.
Because if you want things to change, you need to change things.
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Very true.
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A bit “soap-box”-y
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stuart9 | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 13:01 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| You forgot to mention what you’d be wearing, just like your dear papa. 
In General, SylvainLS writes:
| | In General, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | And that is the proof placing women in these positions is necessary. Because
boys (and men) already know they can be anything they want.
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But be sure I never thought I'd be a lego Parts Seller
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“
I never wanted to do this job in the first place!
I… I wanted to be…
A LUMBERJACK!
Leaping from tree to tree! As they float down the mighty rivers of British Columbia!
With my best girl by my side!
The Larch!
The Pine!
The Giant Redwood tree!
The Sequoia!
The Little Whopping Rule Tree!
We’d sing! Sing! Sing!
Oh, I’m a lumberjack, and I’m okay,
I sleep all night and I work all day.
He’s a BL sellers and he’s okay,
He sleeps all night and work all day.
…” – The Lumberjack Song, the Monty Python
Another proof forestmen can be girlies… like my dear papa!
| | | | Because boys and
girls don’t think girls can be anything they want too unless they are shown models.
Because if you want things to change, you need to change things.
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Very true.
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A bit “soap-box”-y
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 13:04 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Stuart9 writes:
| | You forgot to mention what you’d be wearing, just like your dear papa.
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On purpose. That was “an exercise left to the reader.”
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | ghyde | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 15:53 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, SylvainLS writes:
| | In General, Stuart9 writes:
| | You forgot to mention what you’d be wearing, just like your dear papa.
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On purpose. That was “an exercise left to the reader.”
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You implied that the lumberjack was so busy cutting wood he forgot his clothes!
You went there! Silly SylvainLS! I now cannot unsee a medieval lumberjack without
any clothes on, and have you to thank for this silliness!
Cheers ...
ghyde
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 16:08 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, ghyde writes:
| | In General, SylvainLS writes:
| | In General, Stuart9 writes:
| | You forgot to mention what you’d be wearing, just like your dear papa.
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On purpose. That was “an exercise left to the reader.”
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You implied that the lumberjack was so busy cutting wood he forgot his clothes!
You went there! Silly SylvainLS! I now cannot unsee a medieval lumberjack without
any clothes on, and have you to thank for this silliness!
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You have only your own imagination to blame because the lumberjack isn’t naked
in the song
https://montypython.fandom.com/wiki/The_Lumberjack_Song
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 13:27 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, SylvainLS writes:
| | In General, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | And that is the proof placing women in these positions is necessary. Because
boys (and men) already know they can be anything they want.
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But be sure I never thought I'd be a lego Parts Seller
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I never wanted to do this job in the first place!
I… I wanted to be…
A LUMBERJACK!
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Just like every Sylvains 
Silvanus (meaning "of the woods" in Latin) was a Roman tutelary deity
of woods and uncultivated lands.
See, you're uncultivated they say
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 13:38 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, 1001bricks writes:
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I never wanted to do this job in the first place!
I… I wanted to be…
A LUMBERJACK!
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Just like every Sylvains
Silvanus (meaning "of the woods" in Latin) was a Roman tutelary deity
of woods and uncultivated lands.
See, you're uncultivated they say
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 12:52 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, SylvainLS writes:
| | In General, axaday writes:
| | In General, mwright5 writes:
| | The problem is that
this set poses as a tribute to past sets, but imposes female characters into
places where they were not originally, both in life and in previous LEGO sets.
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They are imposing female characters where NO ONE was in life.
The so-called historical themes in LEGO are very poor history. Robin Hood wasn't
real and there was never a faction of people who hid in the woods and wore green.
There were no dragons or sea serpents or wizards or walking mummies. Lego Castle
has always been rife with fantasy.
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Well, to be fair, mwright5 didn’t say it was “in life.”
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You actually quoted him saying it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 12:58 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, axaday writes:
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| | | | | | places where they were not originally, both in life and in previous LEGO sets.
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They are imposing female characters where NO ONE was in life.
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| | Well, to be fair, mwright5 didn’t say it was “in life.”
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You actually quoted him saying it.
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Indeed Oopsies. I need spectacles.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 12:58 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | The so-called historical themes in LEGO are very poor history. Robin Hood wasn't
real and there was never a faction of people who hid in the woods and wore green.
There were no dragons or sea serpents or wizards or walking mummies. Lego Castle
has always been rife with fantasy.
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Did LEGO ever claim that they were historically accurate?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 13:52 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, yorbrick writes:
| | | | The so-called historical themes in LEGO are very poor history. Robin Hood wasn't
real and there was never a faction of people who hid in the woods and wore green.
There were no dragons or sea serpents or wizards or walking mummies. Lego Castle
has always been rife with fantasy.
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Did LEGO ever claim that they were historically accurate?
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I should think not.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 14:02 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, axaday writes:
| | In General, yorbrick writes:
| | | | The so-called historical themes in LEGO are very poor history. Robin Hood wasn't
real and there was never a faction of people who hid in the woods and wore green.
There were no dragons or sea serpents or wizards or walking mummies. Lego Castle
has always been rife with fantasy.
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Did LEGO ever claim that they were historically accurate?
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I should think not.
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I don't mind the character line up, at least the soldiers / Knights. The
good thing is that they all have non-female torsos (gender neutral really) so
it is easy to replace heads if you want an all male or all female army. It is
a shame that there isn't a king, but I've got enough of the classic king
CMF to stand in. Plus the lack of the king has pushed his price up, so good for
sellers.
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| | | | | Author: | Bieuw | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2023 16:29 | | Subject: | Re: Forest Guardians | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, mwright5 writes:
| | Do a search in the search bar for forest guardians. Nothing comes up, on Bricklink,
or on Google. At least nothing comes up that is Lego related. So why has the
creator of set 10305 Lion Knight's Castle taken it upon themselves to change
the name of forestmen, to forest guardians? I'll tell you why, because the
object of that set goes beyond empowering girls, which it definitely intends
to do. Queen instead of King, lady knights, etc. I have 2 daughters, and that
would not be a problem for me. I find it a bit confusing, but I'm down with
those changes. I knew about them before I bought the set. The problem is that
this set poses as a tribute to past sets, but imposes female characters into
places where they were not originally, both in life and in previous LEGO sets.
As noted, even the name forestmen, which is a widely accepted past theme that
is celebrated in the set, has been conveniently changed to forest guardians.
So it ends up being a degradation in my opinion, not a celebration. What the
heck.
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Well, truth seems to be that LEGO just doesn't honestly care about the old
things. They have mistakes about "Lego theme history" in their instruction
booklets of such nostalgia sets, and the "Lion Knight's Castle" is
translated as "Leeuwenridders Kasteel" in Dutch even though if they had
any real interest in the faction, they'd know they were called "de Leeuwenhartridders"
in Dutch.
They had this Lego history article on lego.com (again in Dutch) saying "Majisto"
was the first minifigure with a name, when really already the pirates had names
a few years prior to that AND he wasn't even called "Majisto" but
"Pocus" in Dutch. They work hard pretending to care as much as their
audience, to capture the audience's interest, but it's just too obvious
that in reality they don't.
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