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| | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select  | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2023 21:35 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2023 22:24 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| What is the "Mexico thing" you speak of?
In Catalog Identification, Nubs_Select writes:
| | I know I mostly skimmed thru it but nothing there was "proof" that the
parts were fake. basically just showing that there are slight mould differences
in parts and saying that some people have thousands of plain torsos and heads
for sale that they must be fake. and just like with the Mexico thing
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2023 22:26 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| where the mexico factory has and (presumably) currently is producing extra official
lego figures and then selling them in bulk via other markets and those end up
on ebay, bricklink, etc. all of the figures are fully genuine just (presumably)
stolen
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Jul 5, 2023 11:30 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Nubs_Select writes:
| | where the mexico factory has and (presumably) currently is producing extra official
lego figures and then selling them in bulk via other markets and those end up
on ebay, bricklink, etc. all of the figures are fully genuine just (presumably)
stolen
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Lego had a factory across the border from El Paso in Juarez. It was closed.
I have not heard that they have another in Mexico.
John P
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jul 5, 2023 11:47 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, legoman77 writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Nubs_Select writes:
| | where the mexico factory has and (presumably) currently is producing extra official
lego figures and then selling them in bulk via other markets and those end up
on ebay, bricklink, etc. all of the figures are fully genuine just (presumably)
stolen
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Lego had a factory across the border from El Paso in Juarez. It was closed.
I have not heard that they have another in Mexico.
John P
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It is in Monterrey now.
See https://www.lego.com/nl-nl/history/articles/i-lego-production-in-mexico
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Jul 5, 2023 12:07 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, legoman77 writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Nubs_Select writes:
| | where the mexico factory has and (presumably) currently is producing extra official
lego figures and then selling them in bulk via other markets and those end up
on ebay, bricklink, etc. all of the figures are fully genuine just (presumably)
stolen
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Lego had a factory across the border from El Paso in Juarez. It was closed.
I have not heard that they have another in Mexico.
John P
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| | | | | Author: | brickerking | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2023 21:42 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Drama = Views
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2023 21:45 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2023 21:59 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 100 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| | | Specifically, look at these photos:
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honestly just looks like normal Lego colour/mould variations/updates to me. Lego
has had quality slips in the past so I wouldn't be surprised if it happened
again
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Jul 5, 2023 11:35 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Nubs_Select writes:
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honestly just looks like normal Lego colour/mould variations/updates to me. Lego
has had quality slips in the past so I wouldn't be surprised if it happened
again
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Good point. Has any one asked Lego? Perhaps ask for a recently produced sample
straight from them on what is being manufactured and see if the parts are different.
Also, Bricklink could ask the seller from where the large quantities come.
John P
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| | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2023 22:34 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 94 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Specifically, look at these photos:
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I just checked about 20 random figs from the last 10 years or so all have the
thinner ribs and slightly octagonal hollow stud.
~Jen
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | bobnikolov | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 11:41 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Specifically, look at these photos:
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I just checked about 20 random figs from the last 10 years or so all have the
thinner ribs and slightly octagonal hollow stud.
~Jen
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Just checked some of mine figs with hollow stud. Most of them are with slightly
octagonal stud but some are with completely round stud. They have Lego trademark
underside also number 3626 underside. They are definitely real Lego
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| | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2023 22:37 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Specifically, look at these photos:
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we would have to know Lego's official position on the Italic
vs Non-Italic logo variants...?
otherwise we are just guessing
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 00:52 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 100 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Specifically, look at these photos:
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I think this may be the first time that I have seen that someone has legitimately
made fake parts using the LEGO wordmark.
One of the telling things about the fake part is that it doesn't use the
italic font. I can't recall anything in a very long time that doesn't
use the italic font. However, I wanted to dig deeper.
I looked at a pretty recent torso that is for sure real and it had mold iteration
number 65 in it. In the image, the fake part has mold iteration number 44 in
it. The mold iteration number is the one that is underlined. The other number
is the mold cavity number. So this torso, if real, would be an older torso.
Thus my hunt began. I went searching through countless torsos to try and find
one that was made in mold iteration 44, and I finally found one. The torso was
Like all modern torsos, it has the copyright symbol and LEGO wordmark in italic
font, the part number 3814 in italic font, thin ribs, and the mold cavity number
and mold iteration number across from each other in upright font. The underline
on the mold iteration number on my torso goes from the start of one 4 all the
way to the end of the other 4. The one in the image doesn't.
As some will know, when a new mold iteration number is manufactured, all of the
cavities are created identically. So there is absolutely no way that my real
torso and the one in the image were created in the same mold.
But I wanted to be really sure about the italics, so I started putting together
a timeline of torsos from mold iterations. After a bit, I had found a torso for
almost all mold iteration numbers from 35 to 65. And guess what? All of them
look almost exactly the same inside in all ways (copyright symbol and LEGO wordmark
in italic font, the part number 3814 in italic font, thin ribs, and the mold
cavity number and mold iteration number across from each other in upright font).
Someone has definitely done their research and created a reasonable fake with
almost all the details intact, but it isn't perfect.
This is definitely a worrisome and troubling discovery. The LEGO Group needs
to take action immediately.
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 01:03 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, randyf writes:
| | I think this may be the first time that I have seen that someone has legitimately
made fake parts using the LEGO wordmark.
One of the telling things about the fake part is that it doesn't use the
italic font. I can't recall anything in a very long time that doesn't
use the italic font. However, I wanted to dig deeper.
I looked at a pretty recent torso that is for sure real and it had mold iteration
number 65 in it. In the image, the fake part has mold iteration number 44 in
it. The mold iteration number is the one that is underlined. The other number
is the mold cavity number. So this torso, if real, would be an older torso.
Thus my hunt began. I went searching through countless torsos to try and find
one that was made in mold iteration 44, and I finally found one. The torso was
Like all modern torsos, it has the copyright symbol and LEGO wordmark in italic
font, the part number 3814 in italic font, thin ribs, and the mold cavity number
and mold iteration number across from each other in upright font. The underline
on the mold iteration number on my torso goes from the start of one 4 all the
way to the end of the other 4. The one in the image doesn't.
As some will know, when a new mold iteration number is manufactured, all of the
cavities are created identically. So there is absolutely no way that my real
torso and the one in the image were created in the same mold.
But I wanted to be really sure about the italics, so I started putting together
a timeline of torsos from mold iterations. After a bit, I had found a torso for
almost all mold iteration numbers from 35 to 65. And guess what? All of them
look almost exactly the same inside in all ways (copyright symbol and LEGO wordmark
in italic font, the part number 3814 in italic font, thin ribs, and the mold
cavity number and mold iteration number across from each other in upright font).
Someone has definitely done their research and created a reasonable fake with
almost all the details intact, but it isn't perfect.
This is definitely a worrisome and troubling discovery. The LEGO Group needs
to take action immediately.
Randy
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Thank you for this education Randy. I am so glad you are on the catalog team.
I knew nothing about mold iteration numbers or mold cavity numbers before this.
Where would I go to learn more about these type of intricacies?
-- John
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 01:16 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, macebobo writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, randyf writes:
| | I think this may be the first time that I have seen that someone has legitimately
made fake parts using the LEGO wordmark.
One of the telling things about the fake part is that it doesn't use the
italic font. I can't recall anything in a very long time that doesn't
use the italic font. However, I wanted to dig deeper.
I looked at a pretty recent torso that is for sure real and it had mold iteration
number 65 in it. In the image, the fake part has mold iteration number 44 in
it. The mold iteration number is the one that is underlined. The other number
is the mold cavity number. So this torso, if real, would be an older torso.
Thus my hunt began. I went searching through countless torsos to try and find
one that was made in mold iteration 44, and I finally found one. The torso was
Like all modern torsos, it has the copyright symbol and LEGO wordmark in italic
font, the part number 3814 in italic font, thin ribs, and the mold cavity number
and mold iteration number across from each other in upright font. The underline
on the mold iteration number on my torso goes from the start of one 4 all the
way to the end of the other 4. The one in the image doesn't.
As some will know, when a new mold iteration number is manufactured, all of the
cavities are created identically. So there is absolutely no way that my real
torso and the one in the image were created in the same mold.
But I wanted to be really sure about the italics, so I started putting together
a timeline of torsos from mold iterations. After a bit, I had found a torso for
almost all mold iteration numbers from 35 to 65. And guess what? All of them
look almost exactly the same inside in all ways (copyright symbol and LEGO wordmark
in italic font, the part number 3814 in italic font, thin ribs, and the mold
cavity number and mold iteration number across from each other in upright font).
Someone has definitely done their research and created a reasonable fake with
almost all the details intact, but it isn't perfect.
This is definitely a worrisome and troubling discovery. The LEGO Group needs
to take action immediately.
Randy
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Thank you for this education Randy. I am so glad you are on the catalog team.
I knew nothing about mold iteration numbers or mold cavity numbers before this.
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+1 kinda though lego would just updated molds/have multiple molds in use at different
factories and similar and always changed there molds “at random” (not actually
at random but just often times with no warning switching molds for one reason
or another)
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 04:35 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| Well investigated and my thoughts are identical: Lego has to step up here to
check if these are fakes and pass final judgement.
I am afraid what MayDayFigs has published to be true....
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Jul 17, 2023 10:57 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
|
Specifically, look at these photos:
|
I think this may be the first time that I have seen that someone has legitimately
made fake parts using the LEGO wordmark.
One of the telling things about the fake part is that it doesn't use the
italic font. I can't recall anything in a very long time that doesn't
use the italic font. However, I wanted to dig deeper.
I looked at a pretty recent torso that is for sure real and it had mold iteration
number 65 in it. In the image, the fake part has mold iteration number 44 in
it. The mold iteration number is the one that is underlined. The other number
is the mold cavity number. So this torso, if real, would be an older torso.
Thus my hunt began. I went searching through countless torsos to try and find
one that was made in mold iteration 44, and I finally found one. The torso was
Like all modern torsos, it has the copyright symbol and LEGO wordmark in italic
font, the part number 3814 in italic font, thin ribs, and the mold cavity number
and mold iteration number across from each other in upright font. The underline
on the mold iteration number on my torso goes from the start of one 4 all the
way to the end of the other 4. The one in the image doesn't.
As some will know, when a new mold iteration number is manufactured, all of the
cavities are created identically. So there is absolutely no way that my real
torso and the one in the image were created in the same mold.
But I wanted to be really sure about the italics, so I started putting together
a timeline of torsos from mold iterations. After a bit, I had found a torso for
almost all mold iteration numbers from 35 to 65. And guess what? All of them
look almost exactly the same inside in all ways (copyright symbol and LEGO wordmark
in italic font, the part number 3814 in italic font, thin ribs, and the mold
cavity number and mold iteration number across from each other in upright font).
Someone has definitely done their research and created a reasonable fake with
almost all the details intact, but it isn't perfect.
This is definitely a worrisome and troubling discovery. The LEGO Group needs
to take action immediately.
Randy
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Cheers to Randy with the encyclopedic type knowledge.
In order for Lego to take action, they have to know the source.
Maybe they're already working on it.
-it wouldn't surprise me if lego had a secret team of high-level investigators
that deal with just this.
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| | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 01:36 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| I always suspected that my Deadpool figure might be fake (it just doesn't
feel right) even though it has Lego markings. At first glance, the torso has
the thicker cross supports and less rounded over edges.
I will have to wait until daytime to better examine the logos and other features.
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Specifically, look at these photos:
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| | | | | | | Author: | Bobthecookie2 | | Posted: | Jul 16, 2023 00:32 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Specifically, look at these photos:
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Hello, I have a comparison of a genuine Revan head and one purchased from this
seller and the patterns are somewhat consistent with the torso comparison
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jul 16, 2023 04:45 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Bobthecookie2 writes:
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Hello, I have a comparison of a genuine Revan head and one purchased from this
seller and the patterns are somewhat consistent with the torso comparison
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I think the 88475 is from a Chinese factory.
It is a known alternate mould number for the head.
(Does anyone know in which figures I can find one?)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jul 16, 2023 12:47 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Bobthecookie2 writes:
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Hello, I have a comparison of a genuine Revan head and one purchased from this
seller and the patterns are somewhat consistent with the torso comparison
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I think the 88475 is from a Chinese factory.
It is a known alternate mould number for the head.
(Does anyone know in which figures I can find one?)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jul 17, 2023 13:47 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Bobthecookie2 writes:
| |
Hello, I have a comparison of a genuine Revan head and one purchased from this
seller and the patterns are somewhat consistent with the torso comparison
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I think the 88475 is from a Chinese factory.
It is a known alternate mould number for the head.
(Does anyone know in which figures I can find one?)
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Ouch! That is an expensive one...
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Bobthecookie2 | | Posted: | Jul 16, 2023 18:34 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Bobthecookie2 writes:
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Hello, I have a comparison of a genuine Revan head and one purchased from this
seller and the patterns are somewhat consistent with the torso comparison
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I think the 88475 is from a Chinese factory.
It is a known alternate mould number for the head.
(Does anyone know in which figures I can find one?)
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Yes, that's the genuine one, the other is fake
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jul 17, 2023 13:46 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Bobthecookie2 writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Bobthecookie2 writes:
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Hello, I have a comparison of a genuine Revan head and one purchased from this
seller and the patterns are somewhat consistent with the torso comparison
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I think the 88475 is from a Chinese factory.
It is a known alternate mould number for the head.
(Does anyone know in which figures I can find one?)
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Yes, that's the genuine one, the other is fake
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Thanks.
I am not yet convinced the other is fake though.
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| | | | | | | Author: | bl_us | | Posted: | Jul 16, 2023 05:54 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| Model changes are normal. The key is to manage the human components and human
products flowing out of the LEGO Mexico factory. There are many Star Wars figurines
sold through different channels worldwide, mostly from Mexican factories, including
plain transparent figurines. I think this solid part should also be related to
the Mexican factory. As for authenticity, it requires official identification.
For us, as long as there is a LEGO logo, it is LEGO's.
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2023 22:06 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 174 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| | | However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
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I may be wrong, but IMHO fakers (Chet Faker?) never print LEGO on the parts.
Because molding a part not patented is (AFAIK) not forbidden, and even if, could
be disputed for years in justice.
But printing a brand name (which isn't yours) *is* a proof in itself you're
guilty. They don't do this. I mean, I didn't see this in 16 years.
Of course we've seen imitations of the name, logo, colors, typo from Lepin
& such that *looks like* LEGO, but not the original brand itself.
In short, I didn't watch much - I frankly dislike this kind of vids - but
I would NOT believe those printed LEGO are fakes (for example):
https://youtu.be/DGTpGwwhN04?t=101
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| | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 08:57 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
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I may be wrong, but IMHO fakers (Chet Faker?) never print LEGO on the parts.
Because molding a part not patented is (AFAIK) not forbidden, and even if, could
be disputed for years in justice.
But printing a brand name (which isn't yours) *is* a proof in itself you're
guilty. They don't do this. I mean, I didn't see this in 16 years.
Of course we've seen imitations of the name, logo, colors, typo from Lepin
& such that *looks like* LEGO, but not the original brand itself.
In short, I didn't watch much - I frankly dislike this kind of vids - but
I would NOT believe those printed LEGO are fakes (for example):
https://youtu.be/DGTpGwwhN04?t=101
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Honestly, what's interesting/alarming to me is not the idea that fakers may
be using the Lego wordmark, but that the sprue marks on these alleged fakes are
just as good as Lego's rather than the yuge dimples one is accustomed to
seeing.
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| | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 09:14 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
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I may be wrong, but IMHO fakers (Chet Faker?) never print LEGO on the parts.
Because molding a part not patented is (AFAIK) not forbidden, and even if, could
be disputed for years in justice.
But printing a brand name (which isn't yours) *is* a proof in itself you're
guilty. They don't do this. I mean, I didn't see this in 16 years.
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Do we know if the word “LEGO” itself is trademarked, or just “LEGO®” (specifically
italicised)? The change in typeface might be the faker’s way of skirting IP law.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 10:14 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, DeLuca writes:
| | Do we know if the word “LEGO” itself is trademarked, or just “LEGO®” (specifically
italicised)? The change in typeface might be the faker’s way of skirting IP law.
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"LEGO" is 100% trademarked
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 10:27 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, DeLuca writes:
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Do we know if the word “LEGO” itself is trademarked, or just “LEGO®” (specifically
italicised)? The change in typeface might be the faker’s way of skirting IP law.
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The brand, “LEGO”, is a registered trademark (hence the ®). That means the word,
whatever the font, typeface, capitalization, etc., is reserved for some usages
(toys…).
(That means you could maybe see a dishwashing soap named lego if TLG didn’t register
the trademark for soaps.)
(Any brand/mark/name that is not specifically registered is also protected.
But you need to prove you’ve used it for some time and it’s well known if you
want to enforce it. They may have the ™ symbol.)
The logo, the specific drawing (black outlined white LEGO on red square), will
also be protected, separately, as a visual trademark. And I think I should say
the logos, as LEGO uses/used many variations.
Also, the minifigure is protected with a design patent. That means not only
the parts but the appearance of a minifigure. You can’t sell T-shirts with the
drawing of a minifigure (even badly drawn).
Lastly, small variations are also forbidden. That’s “parasiting.” If you make
‘Bollex’ watches, you’ll get a letter/visit from Rollex’s lawyers.
TL;DR: The trademark protection works for the word and “similar enough” variations.
Italics/roman is a joke.
(Diclaimer: IANAL, not talking for LEGO or BL, maybe a cat.)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 12:33 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, DeLuca writes:
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Do we know if the word “LEGO” itself is trademarked, or just “LEGO®” (specifically
italicised)? The change in typeface might be the faker’s way of skirting IP law.
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The brand, “LEGO”, is a registered trademark (hence the ®). That means the word,
whatever the font, typeface, capitalization, etc., is reserved for some usages
(toys…).
(That means you could maybe see a dishwashing soap named lego if TLG didn’t register
the trademark for soaps.)
(Any brand/mark/name that is not specifically registered is also protected.
But you need to prove you’ve used it for some time and it’s well known if you
want to enforce it. They may have the ™ symbol.)
The logo, the specific drawing (black outlined white LEGO on red square), will
also be protected, separately, as a visual trademark. And I think I should say
the logos, as LEGO uses/used many variations.
Also, the minifigure is protected with a design patent. That means not only
the parts but the appearance of a minifigure. You can’t sell T-shirts with the
drawing of a minifigure (even badly drawn).
Lastly, small variations are also forbidden. That’s “parasiting.” If you make
‘Bollex’ watches, you’ll get a letter/visit from Rollex’s lawyers.
TL;DR: The trademark protection works for the word and “similar enough” variations.
Italics/roman is a joke.
(Diclaimer: IANAL, not talking for LEGO or BL, maybe a cat.)
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Good explanation - Thanks! 👍
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 13:04 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| | | Lastly, small variations are also forbidden. That’s “parasiting.” If you make
‘Bollex’ watches, you’ll get a letter/visit from Rollex’s lawyers.
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Rolex lawyers would have already had Rollex shut down, and their watches would
have probably been utter bollex.
It is interesting that there was another company called lego in the 1960s, they
used to make china / porcelain mugs and other pottery type items. Their logo
is all lower case in a script type font. I occasionally see them come up for
sale here and people seem to think that they are "our" LEGO when it is
a totally different company.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stuart9 | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 13:06 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| I’ve seen these items in searches over the years.
In Catalog Identification, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Lastly, small variations are also forbidden. That’s “parasiting.” If you make
‘Bollex’ watches, you’ll get a letter/visit from Rollex’s lawyers.
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Rolex lawyers would have already had Rollex shut down, and their watches would
have probably been utter bollex.
It is interesting that there was another company called lego in the 1960s, they
used to make china / porcelain mugs and other pottery type items. Their logo
is all lower case in a script type font. I occasionally see them come up for
sale here and people seem to think that they are "our" LEGO when it is
a totally different company.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 13:35 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Lastly, small variations are also forbidden. That’s “parasiting.” If you make
‘Bollex’ watches, you’ll get a letter/visit from Rollex’s lawyers.
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Rolex lawyers would have already had Rollex shut down, and their watches would
have probably been utter bollex.
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 I always want to put 2 L to Rolex. I don’t have this problem with Svatch.
| | It is interesting that there was another company called lego in the 1960s, they
used to make china / porcelain mugs and other pottery type items. Their logo
is all lower case in a script type font. I occasionally see them come up for
sale here and people seem to think that they are "our" LEGO when it is
a totally different company.
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Interesting 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 14:08 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Lastly, small variations are also forbidden. That’s “parasiting.” If you make
‘Bollex’ watches, you’ll get a letter/visit from Rollex’s lawyers.
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Rolex lawyers would have already had Rollex shut down, and their watches would
have probably been utter bollex.
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I always want to put 2 L to Rolex. I don’t have this problem with Svatch.
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After writing that I thought, wouldn't it be bad if you had an actual Rollex
watch.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 10:51 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
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I may be wrong, but IMHO fakers (Chet Faker?) never print LEGO on the parts.
Because molding a part not patented is (AFAIK) not forbidden, and even if, could
be disputed for years in justice.
But printing a brand name (which isn't yours) *is* a proof in itself you're
guilty. They don't do this. I mean, I didn't see this in 16 years.
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Do we know if the word “LEGO” itself is trademarked, or just “LEGO®” (specifically
italicised)? The change in typeface might be the faker’s way of skirting IP law.
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It is most definitely trademarked.
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| | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2023 22:16 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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he has a rather fluent Lego Channel going on there, so he seems like a fan of
Lego.. and seeing he has a account on Brinklink is cool.
some of the direct accusations seemed defamatory
- independent sellers are not Lego, stating Lego is selling fake parts is actually
incorrect, "certain sellers" on a Lego website might be doing that, but
Lego itself is not doing it, just like Ebay doesn't, nor Amazon nor any other
online site that allows independent sellers who ships out a fake item as real,
knowingly or not.
- stating "the entire Brincklink Plain parts pool is infected" is a very
broad statement. & if 1 pool is infected , they all are. singling out 1 is not
fair if data is not provided on if the occurance is similar on other sites.
- around the 3/4's mark , he sort of went off into a custom parts tangent,
and it did seem there was a disgruntled aspect to it.. like he or someone he
knows wasn't allowed to sell certain custom parts or something, that was
the general feeling i got around that point.
but all-in-all he seems like a Lego Fan concerned with fakes, the direct assault
singling out Brincklink as the culprit without other sites data for comparison
just leaves open ended questions .
anyways, guess i will reply,
& hi MayDayFigs,
don't Hate me ..
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| | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2023 22:30 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| I have never seen a verified fake with a LEGO logo imprinted on it. If anyone
else has please post.
In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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| | | | | Author: | 1977_mauro | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 00:05 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| To be honest, which sense does it make to fake a part and use a normal font for
"LEGO" instead of using an italic one?
If someone really fakes even the company name then it should be really no problem
to them to make it correct at least for the font.
Mauro
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| | | | | | | Author: | TallyToyBricks | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 03:34 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, 1977_mauro writes:
| | To be honest, which sense does it make to fake a part and use a normal font for
"LEGO" instead of using an italic one?
If someone really fakes even the company name then it should be really no problem
to them to make it correct at least for the font.
Mauro
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+1
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stuart9 | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 06:17 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| I find it very hard to believe that someone would go to all this trouble to make
and sell low value fake pieces.
Although they do look a little different in the images, why would you go to this
level of faking parts and then skimp on getting the logo correct, doesn’t seem
to make sense.
Hope it gets resolved quickly, none of us want this undermining BL.
In Catalog Identification, 1977_mauro writes:
| | To be honest, which sense does it make to fake a part and use a normal font for
"LEGO" instead of using an italic one?
If someone really fakes even the company name then it should be really no problem
to them to make it correct at least for the font.
Mauro
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| | | | | | | Author: | musen2100 | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 12:55 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, 1977_mauro writes:
| | To be honest, which sense does it make to fake a part and use a normal font for
"LEGO" instead of using an italic one?
If someone really fakes even the company name then it should be really no problem
to them to make it correct at least for the font.
Mauro
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Agreed, the easy part of copying a mold should be to have the "LEGO"
in italics.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 13:52 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, musen2100 writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, 1977_mauro writes:
| | To be honest, which sense does it make to fake a part and use a normal font for
"LEGO" instead of using an italic one?
If someone really fakes even the company name then it should be really no problem
to them to make it correct at least for the font.
Mauro
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Agreed, the easy part of copying a mold should be to have the "LEGO"
in italics.
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Assuming that isn't microprinted
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| | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 04:37 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| Russell, good to address the community but isn't the owner of this platform
the party to take apropriate action?
The input of the community is ofcourse of value, but there's other issues
as MayDayFigs points out in the last half of his video. There Lego's issues
and needs to be addressed ASAP.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 05:38 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, StarBrick writes:
| | Russell, good to address the community but isn't the owner of this platform
the party to take apropriate action?
The input of the community is ofcourse of value, but there's other issues
as MayDayFigs points out in the last half of his video. There Lego's issues
and needs to be addressed ASAP.
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True. These are supposedly fake LEGO parts being sold on a site owned by LEGO.
LEGO / bricklink should be getting hold of samples of these as only they can
confirm or not if they have come from their factories or are fake. If they are
fake, then the seller should be asked to identify their source and, if they refuse,
be permanently banned from bricklink and any other LEGO services as the company
sees fit.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Biglesdug | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 14:42 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, StarBrick writes:
| | Russell, good to address the community but isn't the owner of this platform
the party to take apropriate action?
The input of the community is ofcourse of value, but there's other issues
as MayDayFigs points out in the last half of his video. There Lego's issues
and needs to be addressed ASAP.
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Agreed, LEGO need's to investigate and address this.
And really what would stop fakers from using the LEGO logo? Look at fake sneakers
there are sneakers that look similar to actual Nike's and Jordan but don't
us the trademark names and then there is 100,000's that copy the sneaker
the closest it can using trademarked names and logos.
Whenever there is a company doing billions in sales a year, there is someone
willing to invest $100,000 to produce a mold to try to cut into that companies
sales, even if it means breaking copyright laws.
Yes there has been different molds and looking LEGO logos over the years but
this is different and LEGO and BrickLink need to get to the bottom of it.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 14:48 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| | | Yes there has been different molds and looking LEGO logos over the years but
this is different
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How do you know?
| | and LEGO and BrickLink need to get to the bottom of it.
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You can be sure they're already spending millions and tens of educated and
well paid people to track illegal activities to protect their brand
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| | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 09:05 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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I am wondering if these might just be from the Chinese factory in the early-mid
2010’s; CMFs and Ninjago spinner Minifigs from that time had more colour/texture/clutch
strength variation compared to Minifigs manufactured elsewhere than these fakes(?)
seem to have! I will check some legit old Ninjago/CMF figure parts later today
to see if they are a match.
BTW, do we know the quality of these supposed fakes? How do they compare to real
LEGO pieces (I.E. are the arms looser, do they break more easily, is the clutch
power weaker, etc)?
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 10:48 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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I am wondering if these might just be from the Chinese factory in the early-mid
2010’s; CMFs and Ninjago spinner Minifigs from that time had more colour/texture/clutch
strength variation compared to Minifigs manufactured elsewhere than these fakes(?)
seem to have! I will check some legit old Ninjago/CMF figure parts later today
to see if they are a match.
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Nope. All of the earliest Chinese-factory figs from the CMF line (2010) that
I have checked have a copyright symbol and LEGO wordmark in italics, mold cavity
and iteration numbers in upright font in the opposite shoulder (the mold iteration
number always starts with a 'B', no part number, and thin ribs.
It is really the thicker ribs and non-italic wordmark in the fake parts that
are telling. I can't find anything like them.
| | BTW, do we know the quality of these supposed fakes? How do they compare to real
LEGO pieces (I.E. are the arms looser, do they break more easily, is the clutch
power weaker, etc)?
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In the video, they mention that the arms seem genuinely looser because the arm
holes are slightly larger.
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| | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 10:20 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Kind of undecided. Could be mold changes. If there is no Lego logo I do not
think it can be because of the mold.
I think, like others have said, look at the store, check volume and price. I
do not think someone that starts selling fakes would just put a very few on their
store unless they bought some them from a fake producer.
Perhaps Bricklink will start doing what eBay does with high end ladies purses.
The seller sends the purse to eBay and then the verify and ships the purse.
But Bricklink does not have the people to do that. But wouldn't that be
interesting.
The fakes are going to be out there. A small shop (perhaps large also) will
buy a few of the fakes and resell them.
There is no solution rather than eBay's solution. Perhaps look at what else
the seller is selling and see if there are other rare parts from the set it came
in.
John P
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| | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 12:19 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| What I find funny is the idea that he said, when discussing the sellers claim
that he got them from lego.com that "lego is making fake lego".
By definition, ANYTHING Lego produces is legitimately Lego.
Also, he doesn't seem to be open to the possibility that he's wrong.
What's the line, the trouble with people that buy into conspiracy theories
don't see the total lack of evidence as a weakness for their theory, but
the depth at how far the conspiracy goes.
If someone at Lego, not bricklink, said "Yes, these parts were not produced
by us", then he may be onto something, but until then, he has to be open
to the idea that somewhere, Lego may be using a different font or quality has
changed.
I agree with some here when they say that clone companies seem to be ok stealing
ideas, but infringing on trademark is where they seem to be drawing the line.
I think this is a ready, shoot, aim instance.
In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 12:49 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Brettj666 writes:
| | What I find funny is the idea that he said, when discussing the sellers claim
that he got them from lego.com that "lego is making fake lego".
By definition, ANYTHING Lego produces is legitimately Lego.
Also, he doesn't seem to be open to the possibility that he's wrong.
What's the line, the trouble with people that buy into conspiracy theories
don't see the total lack of evidence as a weakness for their theory, but
the depth at how far the conspiracy goes.
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In this case, though, there is a mountain of evidence against it being authentic.
I looked at hundreds of torsos last night, and I can't find a single instance
that supports the thick ribs or using a non-italic font. And I looked at torsos
spanning from the late nineties to the present day, including torsos made in
China. If every one of these assumed fake parts was made in mold number 44, then
there could have been one mold that was different. But I found a part made in
mold number 44 and it did not look like the one in the photo. I would like to
see more of these assumed fake parts to see if there are different mold numbers
besides 44. Even the ejection pin mark locations are not in the same spot compared
to the real parts that I have.
| | If someone at Lego, not bricklink, said "Yes, these parts were not produced
by us", then he may be onto something, but until then, he has to be open
to the idea that somewhere, Lego may be using a different font or quality has
changed.
I agree with some here when they say that clone companies seem to be ok stealing
ideas, but infringing on trademark is where they seem to be drawing the line.
I think this is a ready, shoot, aim instance.
In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 14:05 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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In this case, though, there is a mountain of evidence against it being authentic.
I looked at hundreds of torsos last night, and I can't find a single instance
that supports the thick ribs or using a non-italic font. And I looked at torsos
spanning from the late nineties to the present day, including torsos made in
China. If every one of these assumed fake parts was made in mold number 44, then
there could have been one mold that was different. But I found a part made in
mold number 44 and it did not look like the one in the photo. I would like to
see more of these assumed fake parts to see if there are different mold numbers
besides 44. Even the ejection pin mark locations are not in the same spot compared
to the real parts that I have.
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could there maybe have been 1 large batch that was sold thru bricks and pieces
or the Lego AFOL (cant remember if that's what its called) it germany and
then after that lego realized there was an issue with the mold and stopped producing
more like that but by then many thousands made it to sellers
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| | | | | | | Author: | rtzx9r | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 13:02 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Brettj666 writes:
| | What I find funny is the idea that he said, when discussing the sellers claim
that he got them from lego.com that "lego is making fake lego".
By definition, ANYTHING Lego produces is legitimately Lego.
Also, he doesn't seem to be open to the possibility that he's wrong.
What's the line, the trouble with people that buy into conspiracy theories
don't see the total lack of evidence as a weakness for their theory, but
the depth at how far the conspiracy goes.
If someone at Lego, not bricklink, said "Yes, these parts were not produced
by us", then he may be onto something, but until then, he has to be open
to the idea that somewhere, Lego may be using a different font or quality has
changed.
I agree with some here when they say that clone companies seem to be ok stealing
ideas, but infringing on trademark is where they seem to be drawing the line.
I think this is a ready, shoot, aim instance.
In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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The parts certainly look suspect and would love to know TLG's perspective
on this, though I assume they will keep it under tight control as it deals with
legal/patent/IP data.
Regarding the tools to make these parts - many of the tools TLG makes for the
torso's, bricks, etc are made of multiple pieces of tool steel. These are
then used together to make the parts on the molding machines. The more complex
tools have slides, core pins, threaded inserts, etc and as you can image, these
tools have wear and things fall out of tolerance. In those instances, portions
of the tool are removed and may be welded onto and re-machined to meet the original
design or a part of the tool may be replaced altogether. As a result, a part
made in torso cavity "44" may change over the years depending on the
maintenance done. It would be ASSUMED that TLG would replace a mold part with
the same logo type, font, dimensions/tolerances etc. but it is possible they
change here and there and are not 100% consistent as like any company.
That being said, I believe some of these are indeed fakes. Criminals are getting
more and more deceptive and punishments for them are less and less everywhere...
what's to stop evil? Buy carefully...
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 18:43 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, rtzx9r writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Brettj666 writes:
| | What I find funny is the idea that he said, when discussing the sellers claim
that he got them from lego.com that "lego is making fake lego".
By definition, ANYTHING Lego produces is legitimately Lego.
Also, he doesn't seem to be open to the possibility that he's wrong.
What's the line, the trouble with people that buy into conspiracy theories
don't see the total lack of evidence as a weakness for their theory, but
the depth at how far the conspiracy goes.
If someone at Lego, not bricklink, said "Yes, these parts were not produced
by us", then he may be onto something, but until then, he has to be open
to the idea that somewhere, Lego may be using a different font or quality has
changed.
I agree with some here when they say that clone companies seem to be ok stealing
ideas, but infringing on trademark is where they seem to be drawing the line.
I think this is a ready, shoot, aim instance.
In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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The parts certainly look suspect and would love to know TLG's perspective
on this, though I assume they will keep it under tight control as it deals with
legal/patent/IP data.
Regarding the tools to make these parts - many of the tools TLG makes for the
torso's, bricks, etc are made of multiple pieces of tool steel. These are
then used together to make the parts on the molding machines. The more complex
tools have slides, core pins, threaded inserts, etc and as you can image, these
tools have wear and things fall out of tolerance. In those instances, portions
of the tool are removed and may be welded onto and re-machined to meet the original
design or a part of the tool may be replaced altogether. As a result, a part
made in torso cavity "44" may change over the years depending on the
maintenance done. It would be ASSUMED that TLG would replace a mold part with
the same logo type, font, dimensions/tolerances etc. but it is possible they
change here and there and are not 100% consistent as like any company.
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It isn't mold cavity 44, it is mold 44. Big difference.
| | That being said, I believe some of these are indeed fakes. Criminals are getting
more and more deceptive and punishments for them are less and less everywhere...
what's to stop evil? Buy carefully...
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| | | | | Author: | tec | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 13:15 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| If fakers are this proficient now, we're screwed.
Look at that PIP inside the lego letters, sooo tiny & clean.
In the past I posted some pics of fakes (for more knowledge start here https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1414759),
where the pips were just ugly enough that you can really spot fakes at a glance.
If our last resource consists in font style or font weight, oh
boy, we're doomed yes. Checking Lego will be so time wasting and cumbersome
that we can't keep up.
If true, fakers won. They got to the point that they can impose us so much work
to catch "fakes", that a significant portion of their products will consistently
slip into the "real" world.
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| | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 13:25 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
The only one who can definitely state is parts are fake, is LEGO themselves.
They frequently experiment or make mistakes.
For example, I have a lot of 2x4 bricks, including:
- cellulose acetate "3001old" with a cross-support;
- cellulose acetate "3001old" with three cross-supports;
- modern 3001 with the mold pip top center (only mould 218)
- modern 3001 with the letters "LEG" of the LEGO logo smaller, with a
normal sized O (mould 234 and 235)
In addition:
- Samsonite made plates with a non-italic "Plate font" logo.
- Parts made in the Shenzhen factory frequently have a design that is a bit different,
with different part numbers (often 88xxx) and/or with a letter B in the mould-cavity
number (mould 01-B02).
- Sometimes mould numbers repeat. I have identified several 3001 bricks where
the mould number was used twice (mould 128, 197, 200, 215, 228, ...)
- Sometimes different cavities within the same mould show variation. Usually
all cavities are identical except for the cavity number. Sometimes, this is caused
by repairs/maintenance during the moulds lifetime. The details can be different
and then the parts look like they really should have originated in different
moulds.
Any of these parts could be called "fake" because of what LEGO "always"
or "never" does.
Difficult to make a judgement without all the required information.
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| | | | | Author: | musen2100 | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 13:26 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
There are some signs it could be fake, however we must keep in mind the "LEGO"
text on this mold looks incredibly good, and it is hard to achieve that kind
of precision. The cost of making such a precise mold (at least for LEGO) is a
lot over $100000. This would require a lot of parts to be sold, to be profitable
if faked.
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| | | | | Author: | ghyde | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 17:12 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Clearly fake parts.
After reading the thread and the post from the member who found a real mold cavity
44 part, I strongly suggest you order supplies of coffee as you're going
to need it!
Cheers ...
ghyde
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 17:21 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, ghyde writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Clearly fake parts.
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And the same guy posted also:
"I got this from @[redacted] and oh, it is so cool."
Is that the LEGO spirit?
Does the brand use name is fine here?
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| | | | | Author: | Darth_Smithy | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 18:58 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Seriously, does BL leadership not have someone at TLG they can ask about these
variants??? TLG seems to really keep BL at arm's length, even when they can
help quite easily.
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| | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 20:52 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Darth_Smithy writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Seriously, does BL leadership not have someone at TLG they can ask about these
variants??? TLG seems to really keep BL at arm's length, even when they can
help quite easily.
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We don't know that that question hasn't been asked. There's value
in asking us and also asking LEGO I would think.
Honestly, we complain endlessly about the lack of communication. So I think it
great when they come here to ask the opinion of the community, and I think this
is a worthwhile conversation.
Just saying! Thanks,
~Jen
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Darth_Smithy | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 21:04 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Darth_Smithy writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Seriously, does BL leadership not have someone at TLG they can ask about these
variants??? TLG seems to really keep BL at arm's length, even when they can
help quite easily.
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We don't know that that question hasn't been asked. There's value
in asking us and also asking LEGO I would think.
Honestly, we complain endlessly about the lack of communication. So I think it
great when they come here to ask the opinion of the community, and I think this
is a worthwhile conversation.
Just saying! Thanks,
~Jen
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All good points. Tx Jen.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 21:49 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Darth_Smithy writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Darth_Smithy writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Seriously, does BL leadership not have someone at TLG they can ask about these
variants??? TLG seems to really keep BL at arm's length, even when they can
help quite easily.
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We don't know that that question hasn't been asked. There's value
in asking us and also asking LEGO I would think.
Honestly, we complain endlessly about the lack of communication. So I think it
great when they come here to ask the opinion of the community, and I think this
is a worthwhile conversation.
Just saying! Thanks,
~Jen
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All good points. Tx Jen.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Darth_Smithy | | Posted: | Jun 22, 2023 21:37 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | Emporiosa | | Posted: | Jul 16, 2023 16:24 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| | | Seriously, does BL leadership not have someone at TLG they can ask about these
variants??? TLG seems to really keep BL at arm's length, even when they can
help quite easily.
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I somehow missed this whole discussion. That's the first thing that comes
to mind. Samples should be requested from sellers with stock that's they're
wanting to validate as only LEGO can tell for certain, especially with the changes
in molds, material, process etc...
I was wanting to split apart a bunch of new "blank" torsos parted out
directly from sets (arms and hands from the torso) but making me hesitate if
there's a big debate that TLG isn't validating directly themselves.
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| | | | | Author: | BricksOfFaith | | Posted: | Jun 23, 2023 01:27 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| Saying “if you buy from bricklink, it’s probably a knock-off” is a very very
huge claim if you ask me…..
The guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about…. He’s an annoying picky buyer…..
if Lego gets involved and starts banning people for no reason like he wants,
I will be so mad…..
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| | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jul 5, 2023 03:41 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
Does anyone in the Netherlands (or somewhere with affordable shipping to NL)
have one of these suspected heads and torsos? I would like to see one, and get
a better understanding about this issue.
Naturally, if these are possibly fake then I will not recirculate them.
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 5, 2023 04:04 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Was there any resolution to this? There is discussion going on in other places
that fakes are now being sold at bricklink and that bricklink don't know
about it.
Should a follow up be given before it blows out of proportion.
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| | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Jul 5, 2023 11:41 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Can someone just send one to Lego and ask if this is legit? Seems rather simple.
John P
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| | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Jul 5, 2023 15:12 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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I think this video is fake.
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| | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Jul 5, 2023 15:17 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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I do find it odd that the guy in the video claims that this affects all plain
parts given that both of the parts shown in the video are minifigure parts.
As far as I am aware, I have not had any issues with sellers selling fake parts
as new when it comes to plain non-minifigure parts like basic bricks.
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| | | | | Author: | Cin87 | | Posted: | Jul 16, 2023 01:19 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Did anyone else receive an email tonight? I decided to read through several comments
on this original post to get a better understanding of what's going on, so
has it been found these are actual fakes and not just different LEGO molds?
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| | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Jul 16, 2023 10:50 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Philosophical question: What's the different between an official LEGO part
and a fake part that looks identical? Now that we have "fake" parts coming
out of official LEGO factories (*cough cough* Mexico), it's almost
impossible to tell whether a part was produced under the authorization of the
LEGO Group or not just by looking…
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 16, 2023 14:50 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Philosophical question: What's the different between an official LEGO part
and a fake part that looks identical? Now that we have "fake" parts coming
out of official LEGO factories (*cough cough* Mexico), it's almost
impossible to tell whether a part was produced under the authorization of the
LEGO Group or not just by looking…
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For the non-production colours, it is easy. But for production parts, more difficult
to know if they are "real" lego and not nightshift parts and of course
there is no way of knowing if you have one in hand. If they have 100s of rare
colours, chances are they are nightshift parts.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Jul 16, 2023 15:15 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Philosophical question: What's the different between an official LEGO part
and a fake part that looks identical? Now that we have "fake" parts coming
out of official LEGO factories (*cough cough* Mexico), it's almost
impossible to tell whether a part was produced under the authorization of the
LEGO Group or not just by looking…
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For the non-production colours, it is easy. But for production parts, more difficult
to know if they are "real" lego and not nightshift parts and of course
there is no way of knowing if you have one in hand. If they have 100s of rare
colours, chances are they are nightshift parts.
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But, then throw in the non-production so called "Q-Elements" sold at
Legoland parks, and it gets even more confusing.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 16, 2023 15:23 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, macebobo writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Philosophical question: What's the different between an official LEGO part
and a fake part that looks identical? Now that we have "fake" parts coming
out of official LEGO factories (*cough cough* Mexico), it's almost
impossible to tell whether a part was produced under the authorization of the
LEGO Group or not just by looking…
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For the non-production colours, it is easy. But for production parts, more difficult
to know if they are "real" lego and not nightshift parts and of course
there is no way of knowing if you have one in hand. If they have 100s of rare
colours, chances are they are nightshift parts.
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But, then throw in the non-production so called "Q-Elements" sold at
Legoland parks, and it gets even more confusing.
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Yes, they would all get caught up in the mess.
A solution would be for LEGO to produce the hard to find colour parts through
PAB and destroy the market for such high priced nightshift parts. Do it enough
times and people buying them to sell on will give up. Tough on sellers that got
them legitimately though.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Jul 17, 2023 00:08 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Hello everyone,
We recently had a "fake parts" dispute between a buyer and a seller that
found its way into the Help Desk. This happens from time to time and normally
we don't get very involved - we just give some basic advice and ask them
to work out the dispute between themselves.
However, in this case the buyer posted a video showing the fake parts. We'd
like some opinions on whether these are really fake or are they simply an older
mold:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
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Philosophical question: What's the different between an official LEGO part
and a fake part that looks identical? Now that we have "fake" parts coming
out of official LEGO factories (*cough cough* Mexico), it's almost
impossible to tell whether a part was produced under the authorization of the
LEGO Group or not just by looking…
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The only difference is some are stolen goods that are being sold and the other
are unstolen good being sold. Nothing else is different (at least in the Mexico
situation)
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Jul 17, 2023 13:24 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, Nubs_Select writes:
| | The only difference is some are stolen goods that are being sold and the other
are unstolen good being sold. Nothing else is different (at least in the Mexico
situation)
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But how do you know if a part is stolen or not just by looking at it? The guy
in the video is comparing different parts visually, but I don't know how
he knows which parts are real and which are fake. Maybe the parts he bought on
BrickLink came from official TLG sets or he is creating drama to get views.
Perhaps the LEGO Group and the BrickLink catalog team can sort this one out.
Personally, I think that if the part has the LEGO logo on it, then it is genuine.
If TLG employees are manufacturing parts without permission or other companies
are making parts with the LEGO logo, then that is TLG's problem.
Of course, the same is not necessarily true in reverse. Just because a part does
not have the LEGO logo does not mean it is not genuine.
And of course, TLG owns BrickLink now, so they can police the marketplace here.
Maybe the Mexico factory will get shut down soon…
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Jul 17, 2023 13:51 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| In Catalog Identification, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Catalog Identification, Nubs_Select writes:
| | The only difference is some are stolen goods that are being sold and the other
are unstolen good being sold. Nothing else is different (at least in the Mexico
situation)
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But how do you know if a part is stolen or not just by looking at it? The guy
in the video is comparing different parts visually, but I don't know how
he knows which parts are real and which are fake. Maybe the parts he bought on
BrickLink came from official TLG sets or he is creating drama to get views.
Perhaps the LEGO Group and the BrickLink catalog team can sort this one out.
Personally, I think that if the part has the LEGO logo on it, then it is genuine.
If TLG employees are manufacturing parts without permission or other companies
are making parts with the LEGO logo, then that is TLG's problem.
Of course, the same is not necessarily true in reverse. Just because a part does
not have the LEGO logo does not mean it is not genuine.
And of course, TLG owns BrickLink now, so they can police the marketplace here.
Maybe the Mexico factory will get shut down soon…
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Didn’t they just expand it or something sadly
But yah I’m still thinking they are real just from a certain mold used in only
certain areas and that’s why you don’t get it in regular sets or from online
PAB. I do agree that it is still real lego just that it’s stolen (presumably)
but still fully real
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| | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Jul 16, 2023 15:58 | | Subject: | Re: What do you think? | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog Identification | |
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| I'm concerned that the video goes after Bricklink with its claim that Bricklink
is infested with thousands of counterfeit parts. This is more likely an issue
affecting the entire supply chain, rather than just Bricklink.
Let's say someone produced two molds, one torso, and one head, and then made
a hundred thousand of each. (You need the volume to support the initial cost
of molds) Their next action would be to sell those parts. They wouldn't likely
do it selling a couple of parts at a time on Ebay, or Bricklink, or some other
market. I think they would contact very large sellers, on Bricklink or elsewhere,
and offer to sell them these parts in bulk. The people who buy those bulk lots
may indeed be reputable, and none the wiser they are fakes. But by then, the
parts are in the supply chain, as people buy, sell, and trade them via various
venues, and it gets harder and harder to trace them. The result is eventually
it trickles down to some unsuspecting seller accused of selling a single counterfeit,
and replies: "Can't be fake. I got it new from a really well known seller
in Germany (or somewhere) who has excellent feedback."
This scenario is just a guess, but I think there was an example of it a while
ago, when there were all these Darth Vader Helmets, and Mjolnirs, etc. suddenly
appearing in large numbers in previously unknown trans colours. (I don't
believe the molds were faked in those cases, but the distribution scenario that
got those parts in the pipeline may be the same).
From the video, it seems the main market for the allegedly counterfeit parts
is people producing customs for sale.
At any rate, I think it is an issue for the Lego company. I know that those
sellers who list inventory of large numbers of rare parts guard their sources
pretty well, but in this case, they should cooperate in tracking down the origin
of potentially counterfeit parts for the benefit of us all.
In the meantime, as a seller, I would be emphasizing that any new minifig parts
I have for sale came directly from parting out new sets.
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