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 Author: WoutR View Messages Posted By WoutR
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Apparently, minifigure sh010 was released in two versions:
- with black lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the minifigure;
and
- with green lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the torso.

 
Minifig No: sh010  Name: Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
* 
sh010 (Inv) Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
Minifigures: Super Heroes: Batman II
 
Part No: 973pb1107c01  Name: Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
* 
973pb1107c01 (Inv) Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor. {Lime}

Looking at the catalog images, it looks like this might be a difference between
production for the 2012 (green version?) and 2015 (black version?) sets, but
I cannot confirm that. Looking at the instructions, all use the same ElementID
so that would make it a variation and not a different part design.

If both versions of this figure are common (and I think that they are), I think
that the variations are so different that both should have their own catalog
entry. Is there a reason not to do this?

I do not have the required parts to do submit them to the catalog.
 Author: starbeanie View Messages Posted By starbeanie
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Same issue for her legs
 
Part No: 970c00pb0153  Name: Hips and Legs with Green Plant Foliage Pattern
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970c00pb0153 Hips and Legs with Green Plant Foliage Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated
Black in part picture but green in minifig.



In Catalog, WoutR writes:
  Apparently, minifigure sh010 was released in two versions:
- with black lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the minifigure;
and
- with green lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the torso.

 
Minifig No: sh010  Name: Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
* 
sh010 (Inv) Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
Minifigures: Super Heroes: Batman II
 
Part No: 973pb1107c01  Name: Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
* 
973pb1107c01 (Inv) Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor. {Lime}

Looking at the catalog images, it looks like this might be a difference between
production for the 2012 (green version?) and 2015 (black version?) sets, but
I cannot confirm that. Looking at the instructions, all use the same ElementID
so that would make it a variation and not a different part design.

If both versions of this figure are common (and I think that they are), I think
that the variations are so different that both should have their own catalog
entry. Is there a reason not to do this?

I do not have the required parts to do submit them to the catalog.
 Author: BricksThatStick View Messages Posted By BricksThatStick
 Posted: May 23, 2023 10:47
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In Catalog Requests, starbeanie writes:
  Same issue for her legs
 
Part No: 970c00pb0153  Name: Hips and Legs with Green Plant Foliage Pattern
* 
970c00pb0153 Hips and Legs with Green Plant Foliage Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated
Black in part picture but green in minifig.

In the case of the legs I would say both are dark green in the images and that
one just looks darker - I'm not sure it's black.

  In Catalog, WoutR writes:
  Apparently, minifigure sh010 was released in two versions:
- with black lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the minifigure;
and
- with green lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the torso.

 
Minifig No: sh010  Name: Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
* 
sh010 (Inv) Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
Minifigures: Super Heroes: Batman II
 
Part No: 973pb1107c01  Name: Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
* 
973pb1107c01 (Inv) Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor. {Lime}

Looking at the catalog images, it looks like this might be a difference between
production for the 2012 (green version?) and 2015 (black version?) sets, but
I cannot confirm that. Looking at the instructions, all use the same ElementID
so that would make it a variation and not a different part design.

If both versions of this figure are common (and I think that they are), I think
that the variations are so different that both should have their own catalog
entry. Is there a reason not to do this?

I do not have the required parts to do submit them to the catalog.
 Author: jennnifer View Messages Posted By jennnifer
 Posted: May 23, 2023 10:38
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I have all 3 of these sets somewhere and can try and dig up these figs. The first
one I found has lines and sides that are definitely Dark Green and not Black.

~Jen

In Catalog, WoutR writes:
  Apparently, minifigure sh010 was released in two versions:
- with black lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the minifigure;
and
- with green lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the torso.

 
Minifig No: sh010  Name: Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
* 
sh010 (Inv) Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
Minifigures: Super Heroes: Batman II
 
Part No: 973pb1107c01  Name: Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
* 
973pb1107c01 (Inv) Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor. {Lime}

Looking at the catalog images, it looks like this might be a difference between
production for the 2012 (green version?) and 2015 (black version?) sets, but
I cannot confirm that. Looking at the instructions, all use the same ElementID
so that would make it a variation and not a different part design.

If both versions of this figure are common (and I think that they are), I think
that the variations are so different that both should have their own catalog
entry. Is there a reason not to do this?

I do not have the required parts to do submit them to the catalog.
 Author: BricksThatStick View Messages Posted By BricksThatStick
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In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  I have all 3 of these sets somewhere

Thanks Jen

On the assumption you will be able to clarify either way I have changed this
to a catalog request so it stays on the radar for now.

  and can try and dig up these figs. The first
one I found has lines and sides that are definitely Dark Green and not Black.

~Jen

In Catalog, WoutR writes:
  Apparently, minifigure sh010 was released in two versions:
- with black lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the minifigure;
and
- with green lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the torso.

 
Minifig No: sh010  Name: Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
* 
sh010 (Inv) Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
Minifigures: Super Heroes: Batman II
 
Part No: 973pb1107c01  Name: Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
* 
973pb1107c01 (Inv) Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor. {Lime}

Looking at the catalog images, it looks like this might be a difference between
production for the 2012 (green version?) and 2015 (black version?) sets, but
I cannot confirm that. Looking at the instructions, all use the same ElementID
so that would make it a variation and not a different part design.

If both versions of this figure are common (and I think that they are), I think
that the variations are so different that both should have their own catalog
entry. Is there a reason not to do this?

I do not have the required parts to do submit them to the catalog.
 Author: DeLuca View Messages Posted By DeLuca
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Since this Minifig appeared in two sets in 2012 and then one in 2015, I can see
the design having changed a bit between releases.
 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
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In Catalog Requests, WoutR writes:
  Apparently, minifigure sh010 was released in two versions:
- with black lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the minifigure;
and
- with green lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the torso.

 
Minifig No: sh010  Name: Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
* 
sh010 (Inv) Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
Minifigures: Super Heroes: Batman II
 
Part No: 973pb1107c01  Name: Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
* 
973pb1107c01 (Inv) Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor. {Lime}

Looking at the catalog images, it looks like this might be a difference between
production for the 2012 (green version?) and 2015 (black version?) sets, but
I cannot confirm that. Looking at the instructions, all use the same ElementID
so that would make it a variation and not a different part design.

If both versions of this figure are common (and I think that they are), I think
that the variations are so different that both should have their own catalog
entry. Is there a reason not to do this?

I do not have the required parts to do submit them to the catalog.

This looks like it is just an error in the minifigure image, so it would be nice
if we could get an actual photo of that figure to replace the artificial image.
I could not find any evidence that the torso with black lines actually exist.

https://youtu.be/hcJYjdZXZGQ?t=495
https://youtu.be/trH3Pa6Mb2I?t=644
https://youtu.be/_ww55CANJeQ?t=919
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
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In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  This looks like it is just an error in the minifigure image, so it would be nice
if we could get an actual photo of that figure to replace the artificial image.
I could not find any evidence that the torso with black lines actually exist.


It doesn't look like a render to me.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  This looks like it is just an error in the minifigure image, so it would be nice
if we could get an actual photo of that figure to replace the artificial image.
I could not find any evidence that the torso with black lines actually exist.


It doesn't look like a render to me.


It's not.

And Brickset's own minifigure image shows black print on the torso:

https://brickset.com/minifigs/sh010
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
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In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  This looks like it is just an error in the minifigure image, so it would be nice
if we could get an actual photo of that figure to replace the artificial image.
I could not find any evidence that the torso with black lines actually exist.


It doesn't look like a render to me.


It's not.

And Brickset's own minifigure image shows black print on the torso:

https://brickset.com/minifigs/sh010

In the video reviews of the sets all appear in dark green:

https://brickset.com/sets/10937-1
https://brickset.com/sets/6860-1
https://brickset.com/sets/76035-1

https://brickset.com/article/5353/review-10937-arkham-asylum-breakout

The only one not sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea3BFPA8qHg
 Author: WoutR View Messages Posted By WoutR
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In Catalog Requests, Stellar writes:
  The only one not sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea3BFPA8qHg

Probably also dark green...

It more and more looks like an uncommon variant.
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In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  And Brickset's own minifigure image shows black print on the torso:

https://brickset.com/minifigs/sh010

Oh nice find! Well that makes things a bit more difficult...

The minifigure image at Brickset was published in June 2012.
https://brickset.com/article/3422/super-heroes-minifig-gallery-published

Therefore the torso with black print must be from
 
Set No: 6860  Name: The Batcave
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6860-1 (Inv) The Batcave
669 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 1 Book, 2012
Sets: Super Heroes: Batman II

And since the official set images as well as all review videos that have been
mentioned here so far show dark green, the black variant was probably a mistake
and only came in very few sets.
https://images.brickset.com/sets/AdditionalImages/6860-1/6860_alt3.jpg
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  This looks like it is just an error in the minifigure image, so it would be nice
if we could get an actual photo of that figure to replace the artificial image.
I could not find any evidence that the torso with black lines actually exist.


I just ordered 6860
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  
  This looks like it is just an error in the minifigure image, so it would be nice
if we could get an actual photo of that figure to replace the artificial image.
I could not find any evidence that the torso with black lines actually exist.


I just ordered 6860

that's a lot of copies of 1 minifigure
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In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  
  This looks like it is just an error in the minifigure image, so it would be nice
if we could get an actual photo of that figure to replace the artificial image.
I could not find any evidence that the torso with black lines actually exist.


I just ordered 6860

that's a lot of copies of 1 minifigure

How else will I find out if there are variants. it's the only way I know.
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  
  This looks like it is just an error in the minifigure image, so it would be nice
if we could get an actual photo of that figure to replace the artificial image.
I could not find any evidence that the torso with black lines actually exist.


I just ordered 6860

that's a lot of copies of 1 minifigure

How else will I find out if there are variants. it's the only way I know.

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In Catalog Requests, WoutR writes:
  (...)
If both versions of this figure are common (and I think that they are)
(...)

If I am mistaken and the black version is rare, then we could simply replace
the catalog image for the minifigure. Maybe add a note.
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Here are Jang's reviews for all 3 sets the figure came in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trH3Pa6Mb2I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSf4QmxCBYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcJYjdZXZGQ

It seems like the legs have a darker outline than the torso in each of these
reviews. Maybe the black outline is just a production error.
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Here's the two I have found so far from the 2012 sets :6860 and 10937. They
were mixed up so I don't know which is which.

We have Dark Green and slightly darker Dark Green.

Still digging for set 76035.

~Jen
 
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I have researched variants like this, it typically varies by the production period,
and or the factory that produced it. if the factory ran out of a color, or if
it was corrected, it can lead from minor, to wild variants. slight variants aren't
typically sought after by collectors, unless it is a die hard collector who will
pay high to obtain rarities. Sometimes the slight color variants can verify if
a toy is a first edition. Masters of the Universe is a great example of these
slight to wild color variants.
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I just opened 6860 and my Poison Ivy had dark green torso lines. I'll prepare
a picture.

Also a Cardboard Sleeve not in the catalog.

In Catalog Requests, WoutR writes:
  Apparently, minifigure sh010 was released in two versions:
- with black lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the minifigure;
and
- with green lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the torso.

 
Minifig No: sh010  Name: Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
* 
sh010 (Inv) Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
Minifigures: Super Heroes: Batman II
 
Part No: 973pb1107c01  Name: Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
* 
973pb1107c01 (Inv) Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor. {Lime}

Looking at the catalog images, it looks like this might be a difference between
production for the 2012 (green version?) and 2015 (black version?) sets, but
I cannot confirm that. Looking at the instructions, all use the same ElementID
so that would make it a variation and not a different part design.

If both versions of this figure are common (and I think that they are), I think
that the variations are so different that both should have their own catalog
entry. Is there a reason not to do this?

I do not have the required parts to do submit them to the catalog.
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In Catalog Requests, WoutR writes:
  Apparently, minifigure sh010 was released in two versions:
- with black lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the minifigure;
and
- with green lines on the torso, as shown in the catalog image of the torso.

 
Minifig No: sh010  Name: Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
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sh010 (Inv) Poison Ivy, Hair Over Shoulder
Minifigures: Super Heroes: Batman II
 
Part No: 973pb1107c01  Name: Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
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973pb1107c01 (Inv) Torso Batman Poison Ivy Plant Foliage Pattern / Light Nougat Arms / Light Nougat Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor. {Lime}

Looking at the catalog images, it looks like this might be a difference between
production for the 2012 (green version?) and 2015 (black version?) sets, but
I cannot confirm that. Looking at the instructions, all use the same ElementID
so that would make it a variation and not a different part design.

If both versions of this figure are common (and I think that they are), I think
that the variations are so different that both should have their own catalog
entry. Is there a reason not to do this?

I do not have the required parts to do submit them to the catalog.

I have 2 of these figures. Both from the 2012 batcave set, one included the dark
green legs and black torso and the other included the vise versa. This indicates
the production of these at least overlapped and were not regional errors.