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| | Author: | grimsbricksuk | Posted: | May 10, 2023 02:40 | Subject: | Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 150 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
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| With the recent addition of Commander Fox sw0202b, it has got many people in
the community questioning wether or not variant minifigs such as this should
be given an sw number on here?
Have the rules changed or been relaxed? Where will it end?
For the completionists it just makes collecting more challenging (& expensive)
& the worry will be it’ll put people off or they’ll give up altogether, as the
barrier to collect minifigs is already high with over 1300+ in the catalog.
For those wondering, I did own Fox, but sold it as it never had an sw number
& now I’m faced with a decision, do I fork out hundreds of pounds to get it (if
I can find one), or just sit with the knowledge of my collection never being
complete & quitting altogether?
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| | | | Author: | grimsbricksuk | Posted: | May 10, 2023 02:53 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 42 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| The reason I question if the rules have changed is because I’ve tried on many
occasions over recent years to add variations of minifigs to the catalog (including
Fox) which were not approved. Although I did manage to get the smooth haired
Leia from the X-wing set included, but usually requests such as, Qi’Ra with Yoda
back always got rejected in the past.
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| | | | Author: | randyf | Posted: | May 10, 2023 03:08 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 56 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
| With the recent addition of Commander Fox sw0202b, it has got many people in
the community questioning wether or not variant minifigs such as this should
be given an sw number on here?
Have the rules changed or been relaxed? Where will it end?
For the completionists it just makes collecting more challenging (& expensive)
& the worry will be it’ll put people off or they’ll give up altogether, as the
barrier to collect minifigs is already high with over 1300+ in the catalog.
For those wondering, I did own Fox, but sold it as it never had an sw number
& now I’m faced with a decision, do I fork out hundreds of pounds to get it (if
I can find one), or just sit with the knowledge of my collection never being
complete & quitting altogether?
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The catalog is a fluid entity, and it ebbs and flows in many ways all of the
time. Some things get added (sw0202b), some get deleted, and some just get changed
(like five Star Wars "figures" that were just decommissioned [ https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2571
]).
It was decided by the current catalog administration team as a whole that sw0202b
should get its own entry because it was made and distributed in sets in significant
quantities.
The Star Wars figure mentioned is no different than this Technic figure
that was printed incorrectly and distributed in sets in significant quantities.
That was just added to the catalog in December of last year.
As catalog administrators, we cannot play favorites and we try to apply guidelines
and decisions as consistently as possible.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | Author: | goldknight | Posted: | May 10, 2023 03:45 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 50 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
| With the recent addition of Commander Fox sw0202b, it has got many people in
the community questioning wether or not variant minifigs such as this should
be given an sw number on here?
Have the rules changed or been relaxed? Where will it end?
For the completionists it just makes collecting more challenging (& expensive)
& the worry will be it’ll put people off or they’ll give up altogether, as the
barrier to collect minifigs is already high with over 1300+ in the catalog.
For those wondering, I did own Fox, but sold it as it never had an sw number
& now I’m faced with a decision, do I fork out hundreds of pounds to get it (if
I can find one), or just sit with the knowledge of my collection never being
complete & quitting altogether?
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The catalog is a fluid entity, and it ebbs and flows in many ways all of the
time. Some things get added (sw0202b), some get deleted, and some just get changed
(like five Star Wars "figures" that were just decommissioned [ https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2571
]).
It was decided by the current catalog administration team as a whole that sw0202b
should get its own entry because it was made and distributed in sets in significant
quantities.
The Star Wars figure mentioned is no different than this Technic figure
that was printed incorrectly and distributed in sets in significant quantities.
That was just added to the catalog in December of last year.
As catalog administrators, we cannot play favorites and we try to apply guidelines
and decisions as consistently as possible.
Cheers,
Randy
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Ok—I’ll say hi here
I am putting together info on sw0102–again as the admins have asked of me since
it was years ago when the full triangle of this minifigure helmet was misprinted
into many sets but never got it’s separate variant entry. It was I and a couple
others that tried to get this accomplished but without success. At present Sw0202
torso misprint was accepted really quick by the admins. Why? Just split the
sw0102 to add the variant correctly as sw0102a and sw0102b.
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| | | | | | | | Author: | grimsbricksuk | Posted: | May 10, 2023 04:25 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 52 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I really hope they don’t add any more, the fanbase would implode!
I’m looking at my own ‘variant’ list right now which consists of at least 20
other minifigs that are commonly known or found in mass produced sets in significant
numbers, including the chrome gold c-3po EU/NA version! Can you imagine if that
was added as sw0158a/b, collectors would not be happy.
In Catalog, goldknight writes:
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
| With the recent addition of Commander Fox sw0202b, it has got many people in
the community questioning wether or not variant minifigs such as this should
be given an sw number on here?
Have the rules changed or been relaxed? Where will it end?
For the completionists it just makes collecting more challenging (& expensive)
& the worry will be it’ll put people off or they’ll give up altogether, as the
barrier to collect minifigs is already high with over 1300+ in the catalog.
For those wondering, I did own Fox, but sold it as it never had an sw number
& now I’m faced with a decision, do I fork out hundreds of pounds to get it (if
I can find one), or just sit with the knowledge of my collection never being
complete & quitting altogether?
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The catalog is a fluid entity, and it ebbs and flows in many ways all of the
time. Some things get added (sw0202b), some get deleted, and some just get changed
(like five Star Wars "figures" that were just decommissioned [ https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2571
]).
It was decided by the current catalog administration team as a whole that sw0202b
should get its own entry because it was made and distributed in sets in significant
quantities.
The Star Wars figure mentioned is no different than this Technic figure
that was printed incorrectly and distributed in sets in significant quantities.
That was just added to the catalog in December of last year.
As catalog administrators, we cannot play favorites and we try to apply guidelines
and decisions as consistently as possible.
Cheers,
Randy
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Ok—I’ll say hi here
I am putting together info on sw0102–again as the admins have asked of me since
it was years ago when the full triangle of this minifigure helmet was misprinted
into many sets but never got it’s separate variant entry. It was I and a couple
others that tried to get this accomplished but without success. At present Sw0202
torso misprint was accepted really quick by the admins. Why? Just split the
sw0102 to add the variant correctly as sw0102a and sw0102b.
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| | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | Posted: | May 10, 2023 08:42 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 43 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
| I really hope they don’t add any more, the fanbase would implode!
I’m looking at my own ‘variant’ list right now which consists of at least 20
other minifigs that are commonly known or found in mass produced sets in significant
numbers, including the chrome gold c-3po EU/NA version! Can you imagine if that
was added as sw0158a/b, collectors would not be happy.
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I will say this one time here for everyone's sake. We do not make decisions
based on whether a fanbase is going to be unhappy or not. Our decisions are based
on our experience and the general health of the BrinkLink marketplace.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | Posted: | May 10, 2023 08:38 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 40 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, goldknight writes:
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
| With the recent addition of Commander Fox sw0202b, it has got many people in
the community questioning wether or not variant minifigs such as this should
be given an sw number on here?
Have the rules changed or been relaxed? Where will it end?
For the completionists it just makes collecting more challenging (& expensive)
& the worry will be it’ll put people off or they’ll give up altogether, as the
barrier to collect minifigs is already high with over 1300+ in the catalog.
For those wondering, I did own Fox, but sold it as it never had an sw number
& now I’m faced with a decision, do I fork out hundreds of pounds to get it (if
I can find one), or just sit with the knowledge of my collection never being
complete & quitting altogether?
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The catalog is a fluid entity, and it ebbs and flows in many ways all of the
time. Some things get added (sw0202b), some get deleted, and some just get changed
(like five Star Wars "figures" that were just decommissioned [ https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2571
]).
It was decided by the current catalog administration team as a whole that sw0202b
should get its own entry because it was made and distributed in sets in significant
quantities.
The Star Wars figure mentioned is no different than this Technic figure
that was printed incorrectly and distributed in sets in significant quantities.
That was just added to the catalog in December of last year.
As catalog administrators, we cannot play favorites and we try to apply guidelines
and decisions as consistently as possible.
Cheers,
Randy
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Ok—I’ll say hi here
I am putting together info on sw0102–again as the admins have asked of me since
it was years ago when the full triangle of this minifigure helmet was misprinted
into many sets but never got it’s separate variant entry. It was I and a couple
others that tried to get this accomplished but without success. At present Sw0202
torso misprint was accepted really quick by the admins. Why? Just split the
sw0102 to add the variant correctly as sw0102a and sw0102b.
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None of the current administrators were around for the old discussions or yet
understand the issue fully for sw0102. That is why we need the information.
We received all of the necessary information promptly when dealing with sw0202b,
and we were able to make a decision based on our collective prior experience
as an admin team dealing with similar scenarios (such as the Technic figure).
Once we feel like we have enough information, a decision will be made and acted
upon.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | Author: | par016 | Posted: | May 10, 2023 11:28 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 56 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| In Catalog, goldknight writes:
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
| With the recent addition of Commander Fox sw0202b, it has got many people in
the community questioning wether or not variant minifigs such as this should
be given an sw number on here?
Have the rules changed or been relaxed? Where will it end?
For the completionists it just makes collecting more challenging (& expensive)
& the worry will be it’ll put people off or they’ll give up altogether, as the
barrier to collect minifigs is already high with over 1300+ in the catalog.
For those wondering, I did own Fox, but sold it as it never had an sw number
& now I’m faced with a decision, do I fork out hundreds of pounds to get it (if
I can find one), or just sit with the knowledge of my collection never being
complete & quitting altogether?
|
The catalog is a fluid entity, and it ebbs and flows in many ways all of the
time. Some things get added (sw0202b), some get deleted, and some just get changed
(like five Star Wars "figures" that were just decommissioned [ https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2571
]).
It was decided by the current catalog administration team as a whole that sw0202b
should get its own entry because it was made and distributed in sets in significant
quantities.
The Star Wars figure mentioned is no different than this Technic figure
that was printed incorrectly and distributed in sets in significant quantities.
That was just added to the catalog in December of last year.
As catalog administrators, we cannot play favorites and we try to apply guidelines
and decisions as consistently as possible.
Cheers,
Randy
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Ok—I’ll say hi here
I am putting together info on sw0102–again as the admins have asked of me since
it was years ago when the full triangle of this minifigure helmet was misprinted
into many sets but never got it’s separate variant entry. It was I and a couple
others that tried to get this accomplished but without success. At present Sw0202
torso misprint was accepted really quick by the admins. Why? Just split the
sw0102 to add the variant correctly as sw0102a and sw0102b.
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None of the current administrators were around for the old discussions or yet
understand the issue fully for sw0102. That is why we need the information.
We received all of the necessary information promptly when dealing with sw0202b,
and we were able to make a decision based on our collective prior experience
as an admin team dealing with similar scenarios (such as the Technic figure).
Once we feel like we have enough information, a decision will be made and acted
upon.
Cheers,
Randy
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Any chance you could tell us what this "necessary information" that you
received on sw0202b was? I'd just be interested in knowing the backstory
on this figure.
Also what is the criteria that the decision is made on? What determines whether
you will add it to the catalog or not?
Thanks,
Pete
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | par016 | Posted: | May 24, 2023 14:18 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 61 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, par016 writes:
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| In Catalog, goldknight writes:
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
| With the recent addition of Commander Fox sw0202b, it has got many people in
the community questioning wether or not variant minifigs such as this should
be given an sw number on here?
Have the rules changed or been relaxed? Where will it end?
For the completionists it just makes collecting more challenging (& expensive)
& the worry will be it’ll put people off or they’ll give up altogether, as the
barrier to collect minifigs is already high with over 1300+ in the catalog.
For those wondering, I did own Fox, but sold it as it never had an sw number
& now I’m faced with a decision, do I fork out hundreds of pounds to get it (if
I can find one), or just sit with the knowledge of my collection never being
complete & quitting altogether?
|
The catalog is a fluid entity, and it ebbs and flows in many ways all of the
time. Some things get added (sw0202b), some get deleted, and some just get changed
(like five Star Wars "figures" that were just decommissioned [ https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2571
]).
It was decided by the current catalog administration team as a whole that sw0202b
should get its own entry because it was made and distributed in sets in significant
quantities.
The Star Wars figure mentioned is no different than this Technic figure
that was printed incorrectly and distributed in sets in significant quantities.
That was just added to the catalog in December of last year.
As catalog administrators, we cannot play favorites and we try to apply guidelines
and decisions as consistently as possible.
Cheers,
Randy
|
Ok—I’ll say hi here
I am putting together info on sw0102–again as the admins have asked of me since
it was years ago when the full triangle of this minifigure helmet was misprinted
into many sets but never got it’s separate variant entry. It was I and a couple
others that tried to get this accomplished but without success. At present Sw0202
torso misprint was accepted really quick by the admins. Why? Just split the
sw0102 to add the variant correctly as sw0102a and sw0102b.
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None of the current administrators were around for the old discussions or yet
understand the issue fully for sw0102. That is why we need the information.
We received all of the necessary information promptly when dealing with sw0202b,
and we were able to make a decision based on our collective prior experience
as an admin team dealing with similar scenarios (such as the Technic figure).
Once we feel like we have enough information, a decision will be made and acted
upon.
Cheers,
Randy
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Any chance you could tell us what this "necessary information" that you
received on sw0202b was? I'd just be interested in knowing the backstory
on this figure.
Also what is the criteria that the decision is made on? What determines whether
you will add it to the catalog or not?
Thanks,
Pete
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Just curious if any catalog admin is willing to answer this.
-Pete
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| | | | Author: | BricksThatStick | Posted: | May 10, 2023 04:33 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 43 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
| With the recent addition of Commander Fox sw0202b, it has got many people in
the community questioning wether or not variant minifigs such as this should
be given an sw number on here?
Have the rules changed or been relaxed? Where will it end?
For the completionists it just makes collecting more challenging (& expensive)
& the worry will be it’ll put people off or they’ll give up altogether, as the
barrier to collect minifigs is already high with over 1300+ in the catalog.
For those wondering, I did own Fox, but sold it as it never had an sw number
& now I’m faced with a decision, do I fork out hundreds of pounds to get it (if
I can find one), or just sit with the knowledge of my collection never being
complete & quitting altogether?
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That could come down to how you perceive these? Do you think they should be 2
entries for sw0202? If so then your completionist nature should collect both.
If you don't agree with our decision then just collect the cheapest and consider
your commander fox collection complete.
As Kevin (goldknight) mentions I have asked for information about sw0102 again.
One question I asked him was what other similar SW print variations or errors
are sitting in the wings also waiting to see what happens with the above?
Can you point us to the discussions you mentioned the community are having about
this? I'd be interested to see the opinions and see what other variant minifigs
are being discussed.
Thanks,
Paul.
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| | | | | | Author: | Stellar | Posted: | May 10, 2023 05:35 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 38 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
| In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
| With the recent addition of Commander Fox sw0202b, it has got many people in
the community questioning wether or not variant minifigs such as this should
be given an sw number on here?
Have the rules changed or been relaxed? Where will it end?
For the completionists it just makes collecting more challenging (& expensive)
& the worry will be it’ll put people off or they’ll give up altogether, as the
barrier to collect minifigs is already high with over 1300+ in the catalog.
For those wondering, I did own Fox, but sold it as it never had an sw number
& now I’m faced with a decision, do I fork out hundreds of pounds to get it (if
I can find one), or just sit with the knowledge of my collection never being
complete & quitting altogether?
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That could come down to how you perceive these? Do you think they should be 2
entries for sw0202? If so then your completionist nature should collect both.
If you don't agree with our decision then just collect the cheapest and consider
your commander fox collection complete.
As Kevin (goldknight) mentions I have asked for information about sw0102 again.
One question I asked him was what other similar SW print variations or errors
are sitting in the wings also waiting to see what happens with the above?
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A noticeable one I get asked sometimes to check:
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Can you point us to the discussions you mentioned the community are having about
this? I'd be interested to see the opinions and see what other variant minifigs
are being discussed.
Thanks,
Paul.
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| | | | | | | | Author: | BricksThatStick | Posted: | May 10, 2023 05:56 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 42 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
| In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
| With the recent addition of Commander Fox sw0202b, it has got many people in
the community questioning wether or not variant minifigs such as this should
be given an sw number on here?
Have the rules changed or been relaxed? Where will it end?
For the completionists it just makes collecting more challenging (& expensive)
& the worry will be it’ll put people off or they’ll give up altogether, as the
barrier to collect minifigs is already high with over 1300+ in the catalog.
For those wondering, I did own Fox, but sold it as it never had an sw number
& now I’m faced with a decision, do I fork out hundreds of pounds to get it (if
I can find one), or just sit with the knowledge of my collection never being
complete & quitting altogether?
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That could come down to how you perceive these? Do you think they should be 2
entries for sw0202? If so then your completionist nature should collect both.
If you don't agree with our decision then just collect the cheapest and consider
your commander fox collection complete.
As Kevin (goldknight) mentions I have asked for information about sw0102 again.
One question I asked him was what other similar SW print variations or errors
are sitting in the wings also waiting to see what happens with the above?
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A noticeable one I get asked sometimes to check:
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Thanks.
If it's a complete error like that then we still wouldn't consider it.
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Can you point us to the discussions you mentioned the community are having about
this? I'd be interested to see the opinions and see what other variant minifigs
are being discussed.
Thanks,
Paul.
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| | | | Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | May 10, 2023 05:12 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 34 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
| With the recent addition of Commander Fox sw0202b, it has got many people in
the community questioning wether or not variant minifigs such as this should
be given an sw number on here?
Have the rules changed or been relaxed? Where will it end?
For the completionists it just makes collecting more challenging (& expensive)
& the worry will be it’ll put people off or they’ll give up altogether, as the
barrier to collect minifigs is already high with over 1300+ in the catalog.
For those wondering, I did own Fox, but sold it as it never had an sw number
& now I’m faced with a decision, do I fork out hundreds of pounds to get it (if
I can find one), or just sit with the knowledge of my collection never being
complete & quitting altogether?
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It is up to collectors to decide whether their collections are complete if they
own a sw0202 or if they need to have both sw0202a and sw0202b. They are a variant,
you can decide if you want to own all variants or not. They existed before they
were catalogued at BL, so being added to the catalogue has not changed whether
they exist or not.
If not owning a rare variant of a figure means someone is put off collecting
SW minifigures completely, then that is up to them. What is more important, enjoying
collecting them and your own collection, or having everything as it is catalogued
at bricklink?
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| | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | Posted: | May 10, 2023 09:09 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 53 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
| With the recent addition of Commander Fox sw0202b, it has got many people in
the community questioning wether or not variant minifigs such as this should
be given an sw number on here?
Have the rules changed or been relaxed? Where will it end?
For the completionists it just makes collecting more challenging (& expensive)
& the worry will be it’ll put people off or they’ll give up altogether, as the
barrier to collect minifigs is already high with over 1300+ in the catalog.
For those wondering, I did own Fox, but sold it as it never had an sw number
& now I’m faced with a decision, do I fork out hundreds of pounds to get it (if
I can find one), or just sit with the knowledge of my collection never being
complete & quitting altogether?
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I'm not a star wars minifigure collector, but if I was, I would not base
the completeness of my collection based on whether bricklink decides to give
the item number a "sw" or not. If you're basing it on a catalog,
then what catalog are you basing it on? Brickowl doesn't have separate variation
for this minifig; so by their criteria then your collection is fine.
I feel like you're making something out of nothing.
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| | | | Author: | axaday | Posted: | May 10, 2023 09:36 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 43 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, grimsbricksuk writes:
| With the recent addition of Commander Fox sw0202b, it has got many people in
the community questioning wether or not variant minifigs such as this should
be given an sw number on here?
Have the rules changed or been relaxed? Where will it end?
For the completionists it just makes collecting more challenging (& expensive)
& the worry will be it’ll put people off or they’ll give up altogether, as the
barrier to collect minifigs is already high with over 1300+ in the catalog.
For those wondering, I did own Fox, but sold it as it never had an sw number
& now I’m faced with a decision, do I fork out hundreds of pounds to get it (if
I can find one), or just sit with the knowledge of my collection never being
complete & quitting altogether?
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A completionist is by definition someone who gives away their power to someone
else. I understand the draw to have an objective standard to compare your collection
to, but you might want to adopt a variant policy. sw0202b DOES indeed have a
legitimate Bricklink listing now, but it is a B. You could ignore him because
you already have a sw0202 and having every number is something without having
to have every sub-letter of every number.
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| | | | Author: | DeLuca | Posted: | May 10, 2023 14:45 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 56 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| FWIW, (sw0202b) is the more accurate Minifig, as P1 Fox does not have the grey
torso markings seen on (sw0202a).
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| | | | | | Author: | Window60 | Posted: | May 13, 2023 15:25 | Subject: | Re: Variant Star Wars figs have the rules changed | Viewed: | 65 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| FWIW, (sw0202b) is the more accurate Minifig, as P1 Fox does not have the grey
torso markings seen on (sw0202a).
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Interesting discussion. I was not aware of the fox variant until recently, so
looks like my I need to add fox to my collection.
If the criteria is looking for variants produced in significant numbers, shouldn’t
chrome sw0158 have a b variant? Either the North American or European version?
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