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| | | Author: | enig  | | Posted: | Nov 10, 2022 08:51 | | Subject: | This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 157 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| I was under the impression that sets can be linked as being
'Similar to, but has a different number than the following Item(s):
Only when the sets are in principle identical, but have been released with a
different number, a different box design etc. Maersk ships being a good example:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=10152-3#T=P
In terms of sets being 'similar enough' to warrant being linked like
that... can we agree that wherever that line is, it is nowhere even close to
links like this?
* | | 7810-1 (Inv) Push-Along Steam Engine (Locomotive without motor)
91 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1980
Sets: Train: 4.5V |
Yes? No? Opinions?
I would absolutely suggest having a note that the set is a re-release. It is
actually in the BL Set Name itself. But please refrain using the wording "This
Item is similar to, but has a different number". In relation to how the set links
work in BL - at the very least it is misleading.
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| | | | | Author: | tonnic | | Posted: | Nov 10, 2022 09:05 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, enig writes:
| | I was under the impression that sets can be linked as being
'Similar to, but has a different number than the following Item(s):
Only when the sets are in principle identical, but have been released with a
different number, a different box design etc. Maersk ships being a good example:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=10152-3#T=P
In terms of sets being 'similar enough' to warrant being linked like
that... can we agree that wherever that line is, it is nowhere even close to
links like this?
* | | 7810-1 (Inv) Push-Along Steam Engine (Locomotive without motor)
91 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1980
Sets: Train: 4.5V |
Yes? No? Opinions?
I would absolutely suggest having a note that the set is a re-release. It is
actually in the BL Set Name itself. But please refrain using the wording "This
Item is similar to, but has a different number". In relation to how the set links
work in BL - at the very least it is misleading.
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Wow, I do not know what to say but let’s make the obvious even more obvious.
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| | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Nov 10, 2022 12:33 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| The description perfectly matches it. The sets look similar but are different.
Someone going thru a bulk used lot and find if of those trains might get it confused
with the other version since at a glance they look similar (not to mentioned
it’s literally a reissue of the set)
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 10, 2022 15:27 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, enig writes:
| | I was under the impression that sets can be linked as being
'Similar to, but has a different number than the following Item(s):
Only when the sets are in principle identical, but have been released with a
different number, a different box design etc. Maersk ships being a good example:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=10152-3#T=P
In terms of sets being 'similar enough' to warrant being linked like
that... can we agree that wherever that line is, it is nowhere even close to
links like this?
* | | 7810-1 (Inv) Push-Along Steam Engine (Locomotive without motor)
91 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1980
Sets: Train: 4.5V |
Yes? No? Opinions?
I would absolutely suggest having a note that the set is a re-release. It is
actually in the BL Set Name itself. But please refrain using the wording "This
Item is similar to, but has a different number". In relation to how the set links
work in BL - at the very least it is misleading.
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I think it fits with the definition for the relationship type just fine:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=599
"Similar Sets with Different Numbers - Matches similar sets with different
set numbers that may include different packaging materials, package graphics,
and some parts or aspects of parts. These differences are frequently related
to geographic area and time of release. Matches may include sets with the same
set number distinguished by different BrickLink suffix numbers only in cases
of three or more set versions, when some have the same set number and some do
not."
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | taxan | | Posted: | Nov 10, 2022 15:49 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, enig writes:
| | I was under the impression that sets can be linked as being
'Similar to, but has a different number than the following Item(s):
Only when the sets are in principle identical, but have been released with a
different number, a different box design etc. Maersk ships being a good example:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=10152-3#T=P
In terms of sets being 'similar enough' to warrant being linked like
that... can we agree that wherever that line is, it is nowhere even close to
links like this?
* | | 7810-1 (Inv) Push-Along Steam Engine (Locomotive without motor)
91 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1980
Sets: Train: 4.5V |
Yes? No? Opinions?
I would absolutely suggest having a note that the set is a re-release. It is
actually in the BL Set Name itself. But please refrain using the wording "This
Item is similar to, but has a different number". In relation to how the set links
work in BL - at the very least it is misleading.
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I think it fits with the definition for the relationship type just fine:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=599
"Similar Sets with Different Numbers - Matches similar sets with different
set numbers that may include different packaging materials, package graphics,
and some parts or aspects of parts. These differences are frequently related
to geographic area and time of release. Matches may include sets with the same
set number distinguished by different BrickLink suffix numbers only in cases
of three or more set versions, when some have the same set number and some do
not."
Cheers,
Randy
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Can you change the text "This Item is similar to" to "The Train in this set is
similar to".
Or are those text part auto generatede?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 10, 2022 15:55 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, taxan writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, enig writes:
| | I was under the impression that sets can be linked as being
'Similar to, but has a different number than the following Item(s):
Only when the sets are in principle identical, but have been released with a
different number, a different box design etc. Maersk ships being a good example:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=10152-3#T=P
In terms of sets being 'similar enough' to warrant being linked like
that... can we agree that wherever that line is, it is nowhere even close to
links like this?
* | | 7810-1 (Inv) Push-Along Steam Engine (Locomotive without motor)
91 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1980
Sets: Train: 4.5V |
Yes? No? Opinions?
I would absolutely suggest having a note that the set is a re-release. It is
actually in the BL Set Name itself. But please refrain using the wording "This
Item is similar to, but has a different number". In relation to how the set links
work in BL - at the very least it is misleading.
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I think it fits with the definition for the relationship type just fine:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=599
"Similar Sets with Different Numbers - Matches similar sets with different
set numbers that may include different packaging materials, package graphics,
and some parts or aspects of parts. These differences are frequently related
to geographic area and time of release. Matches may include sets with the same
set number distinguished by different BrickLink suffix numbers only in cases
of three or more set versions, when some have the same set number and some do
not."
Cheers,
Randy
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Can you change the text "This Item is similar to" to "The Train in this set is
similar to".
Or are those text part auto generatede?
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That text is generic and applies to every relationship in that type, and I don't
believe all of the sets using that relationship deal with trains. 
So the answer to your question is "No."
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | taxan | | Posted: | Nov 10, 2022 16:36 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, taxan writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, enig writes:
| | I was under the impression that sets can be linked as being
'Similar to, but has a different number than the following Item(s):
Only when the sets are in principle identical, but have been released with a
different number, a different box design etc. Maersk ships being a good example:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=10152-3#T=P
In terms of sets being 'similar enough' to warrant being linked like
that... can we agree that wherever that line is, it is nowhere even close to
links like this?
* | | 7810-1 (Inv) Push-Along Steam Engine (Locomotive without motor)
91 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1980
Sets: Train: 4.5V |
Yes? No? Opinions?
I would absolutely suggest having a note that the set is a re-release. It is
actually in the BL Set Name itself. But please refrain using the wording "This
Item is similar to, but has a different number". In relation to how the set links
work in BL - at the very least it is misleading.
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I think it fits with the definition for the relationship type just fine:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=599
"Similar Sets with Different Numbers - Matches similar sets with different
set numbers that may include different packaging materials, package graphics,
and some parts or aspects of parts. These differences are frequently related
to geographic area and time of release. Matches may include sets with the same
set number distinguished by different BrickLink suffix numbers only in cases
of three or more set versions, when some have the same set number and some do
not."
Cheers,
Randy
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Can you change the text "This Item is similar to" to "The Train in this set is
similar to".
Or are those text part auto generatede?
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That text is generic and applies to every relationship in that type, and I don't
believe all of the sets using that relationship deal with trains.
So the answer to your question is "No."
Cheers,
Randy
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Thanks.
The reason i asked about it was that the only parts that have a relationship
in this set are the Train and the Minifigure not the whole sets them self.
But with a "generic" text there aren't anything anybody can do we just have
to take it as it's. 
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| | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Nov 10, 2022 16:57 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | You guys are taking it too far now |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | enig | | Posted: | Nov 11, 2022 08:42 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | You guys are taking it too far now
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The linking for these sets no longer exists. Sorry for asking - is the screenshot
real?
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| | | | | | | Author: | enig | | Posted: | Nov 11, 2022 08:31 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, enig writes:
| | I was under the impression that sets can be linked as being
'Similar to, but has a different number than the following Item(s):
Only when the sets are in principle identical, but have been released with a
different number, a different box design etc. Maersk ships being a good example:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=10152-3#T=P
In terms of sets being 'similar enough' to warrant being linked like
that... can we agree that wherever that line is, it is nowhere even close to
links like this?
* | | 7810-1 (Inv) Push-Along Steam Engine (Locomotive without motor)
91 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1980
Sets: Train: 4.5V |
Yes? No? Opinions?
I would absolutely suggest having a note that the set is a re-release. It is
actually in the BL Set Name itself. But please refrain using the wording "This
Item is similar to, but has a different number". In relation to how the set links
work in BL - at the very least it is misleading.
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I think it fits with the definition for the relationship type just fine:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=599
"Similar Sets with Different Numbers - Matches similar sets with different
set numbers that may include different packaging materials, package graphics,
and some parts or aspects of parts. These differences are frequently related
to geographic area and time of release. Matches may include sets with the same
set number distinguished by different BrickLink suffix numbers only in cases
of three or more set versions, when some have the same set number and some do
not."
Cheers,
Randy
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To me it looks that the spirit of the rule is for essentially same sets that
have some packaging differences, and may or may not have some very trivial differences
in parts. But for all intensive purposes are the *same* set. Don't you think
that that was the intended purpose at the time of writing the rule?
At the time this rule was written there were no examples like the one we are
looking at right now. There were no re-releases of sets that are 40 years old.
Pointing to this rule to excuse the linking is... I am not sure what would be
the best word. Ignorant?
We now have an extremely rare vintage set that has been re-released. Not even
to mention that one set reportedly has 91 parts and the other one more than double
of that at 184. BL is telling us now that the two things are the same.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 11, 2022 08:57 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, enig writes:
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At the time this rule was written there were no examples like the one we are
looking at right now. There were no re-releases of sets that are 40 years old.
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15 years for
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Nov 11, 2022 08:58 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, enig writes:
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At the time this rule was written there were no examples like the one we are
looking at right now. There were no re-releases of sets that are 40 years old.
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15 years for
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Also nearly identical part count
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 11, 2022 09:24 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, enig writes:
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At the time this rule was written there were no examples like the one we are
looking at right now. There were no re-releases of sets that are 40 years old.
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15 years for
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Also nearly identical part count
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Yes, and build too. But it’s still a re-release, not a box difference or North
America / Europe difference.
The question is where do you put the limit?
I mean, there’s (not exhaustive list):
— different production runs = one catalogue entry,
— different numbers but exact same inventory (North America vs Europe) = two
entries with the link,
— different numbers, slightly different inventories (493-1, 493-3) = two entries,
link,
— different numbers and slightly updated inventory (10000 & 6067) = two entries,
link,
— different numbers, updated build (40370 & 7810) = two entries, link or no link?
If you don’t consider the stand/base for 40370, it’s just old parts that don’t
exist any more that have been replaced with modern parts. And that fits the
link’s definition and usage.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | paulvdb | | Posted: | Nov 11, 2022 09:37 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, enig writes:
| | […]
At the time this rule was written there were no examples like the one we are
looking at right now. There were no re-releases of sets that are 40 years old.
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15 years for
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Also nearly identical part count
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Yes, and build too. But it’s still a re-release, not a box difference or North
America / Europe difference.
The question is where do you put the limit?
I mean, there’s (not exhaustive list):
— different production runs = one catalogue entry,
— different numbers but exact same inventory (North America vs Europe) = two
entries with the link,
— different numbers, slightly different inventories (493-1, 493-3) = two entries,
link,
— different numbers and slightly updated inventory (10000 & 6067) = two entries,
link,
— different numbers, updated build (40370 & 7810) = two entries, link or no link?
If you don’t consider the stand/base for 40370, it’s just old parts that don’t
exist any more that have been replaced with modern parts. And that fits the
link’s definition and usage.
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Would these two be considered similar sets for the purpose of this relationship
category?
Or these two that are basically the same set in different colors?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 11, 2022 09:47 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, paulvdb writes:
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| | If you don’t consider the stand/base for 40370, it’s just old parts that don’t
exist any more that have been replaced with modern parts. And that fits the
link’s definition and usage.
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Would these two be considered similar sets for the purpose of this relationship
category?
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Ah, yes, forgot this one (athough it sits not far away from me  ).
That’s a good question: it’s really mainly an update of the parts.
More so than [s=100497] which was linked with (but is not any more).
Another shade in the gradient.
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Well, another tint in the gammut
Going even further: Is each police station an almost-re-release of the previous
one? Some would say so
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Nov 11, 2022 10:35 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | If you don’t consider the stand/base for 40370, it’s just old parts that don’t
exist any more that have been replaced with modern parts.
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Yes, but I think there's a line to be drawn somewhere in there. Surely we
can say whether a set is at least substantially the same in terms of inventory?
I posted the picture of 10497 as a joke but even if the set were identical in
form and function the inventory would be wildly different - it would probably
be over 500 parts instead of 325.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 11, 2022 18:27 | | Subject: | Re: This Item is similar to BUT... | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, enig writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, enig writes:
| | I was under the impression that sets can be linked as being
'Similar to, but has a different number than the following Item(s):
Only when the sets are in principle identical, but have been released with a
different number, a different box design etc. Maersk ships being a good example:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=10152-3#T=P
In terms of sets being 'similar enough' to warrant being linked like
that... can we agree that wherever that line is, it is nowhere even close to
links like this?
* | | 7810-1 (Inv) Push-Along Steam Engine (Locomotive without motor)
91 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1980
Sets: Train: 4.5V |
Yes? No? Opinions?
I would absolutely suggest having a note that the set is a re-release. It is
actually in the BL Set Name itself. But please refrain using the wording "This
Item is similar to, but has a different number". In relation to how the set links
work in BL - at the very least it is misleading.
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I think it fits with the definition for the relationship type just fine:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=599
"Similar Sets with Different Numbers - Matches similar sets with different
set numbers that may include different packaging materials, package graphics,
and some parts or aspects of parts. These differences are frequently related
to geographic area and time of release. Matches may include sets with the same
set number distinguished by different BrickLink suffix numbers only in cases
of three or more set versions, when some have the same set number and some do
not."
Cheers,
Randy
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To me it looks that the spirit of the rule is for essentially same sets that
have some packaging differences, and may or may not have some very trivial differences
in parts. But for all intensive purposes are the *same* set. Don't you think
that that was the intended purpose at the time of writing the rule?
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I can't say; I wasn't there.
But I am here now, and my reading of the guideline assures me enough that the
current relationship does indeed meet the criteria laid out in the definition.
| | At the time this rule was written there were no examples like the one we are
looking at right now. There were no re-releases of sets that are 40 years old.
Pointing to this rule to excuse the linking is... I am not sure what would be
the best word. Ignorant?
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The guideline is what I have to go on. I am in my role to interpret the guidelines
and use them in my capacity as a catalog administrator to make decisions. Quoting
myself from above, "I think it fits with the definition for the relationship
type just fine." I am also not the one who added the relationship or accepted
it. So at least one other catalog administrator thought it was fine according
to the guidelines. I just so happen to agree with them.
| | We now have an extremely rare vintage set that has been re-released. Not even
to mention that one set reportedly has 91 parts and the other one more than double
of that at 184. BL is telling us now that the two things are the same.
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Do you know the difference between "same" and "similar"? Because they aren't
the same, but are somewhat similar. And BrickLink tells us these items are
"similar", not "the same".
Relationships are used in the BrickLink catalog to facilitate discoverability
and ease of navigation between items. In my role as a catalog administrator,
I will *always* lean towards having *more* relationships than *less* for many
reasons.
Cheers,
Randy
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