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| | | Author: | metropolis1927  | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 09:13 | | Subject: | From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 171 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Hello
Roughly, plate is 1/3 of the brick height and with stud(s) on. Plate modified
have something attached to the plate (like 6019, 15070 and 92692). So 3794 (and
a, b), 15573, 34103, 41740, 92593, 87580, 65509 and 88000 are not plates but
tiles.
Regards,
Marko
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| | | | | Author: | metropolis1927 | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 09:17 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| They do not have studs on all the surface, they are tile modified
In Suggestions, metropolis1927 writes:
| | Hello
Roughly, plate is 1/3 of the brick height and with stud(s) on. Plate modified
have something attached to the plate (like 6019, 15070 and 92692). So 3794 (and
a, b), 15573, 34103, 41740, 92593, 87580, 65509 and 88000 are not plates but
tiles.
Regards,
Marko
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 09:41 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Suggestions, metropolis1927 writes:
| | Hello
Roughly, plate is 1/3 of the brick height and with stud(s) on. Plate modified
have something attached to the plate (like 6019, 15070 and 92692). So 3794 (and
a, b), 15573, 34103, 41740, 92593, 87580, 65509 and 88000 are not plates but
tiles.
Regards,
Marko
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It has been discussed many times. The general concensus is that different people
see things in different ways and that the catalogue has inconsistencies because
of this.
What are these two parts? They both have an area of 4 sq units. Are they a tile
with two solid studs added or a plate with two solid studs removed.
One is a tile while the other is a plate. If agreement cannot be made on something
that simple, anything else more complicated has no chance.
To me jumpers are modified tiles, since they are a tile with a hollow stud added.
Especially the ones with a groove. Whereas to make them from a plate, you have
to remove one or more studs and convert the remaining stud(s) from solid to hollow
and add a groove. There are less operations to get from the parent tile than
from the parent plate. But the catalogue disagrees with me.
End result - if you can't find it in modified plates, look in modified tiles,
or vice versa.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 09:46 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
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What are these two parts? They both have an area of 4 sq units. Are they a tile
with two solid studs added or a plate with two solid studs removed.
One is a tile while the other is a plate. If agreement cannot be made on something
that simple, anything else more complicated has no chance.
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Note that the one with the bottom groove (like tiles have) is a ‘plate’ and the
one without groove (like plates) is a ‘tile’ 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 10:28 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
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What are these two parts? They both have an area of 4 sq units. Are they a tile
with two solid studs added or a plate with two solid studs removed.
One is a tile while the other is a plate. If agreement cannot be made on something
that simple, anything else more complicated has no chance.
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Note that the one with the bottom groove (like tiles have) is a ‘plate’ and the
one without groove (like plates) is a ‘tile’
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Indeed - if anyone wants my opinion, where the surface of the piece is split
between smooth and studded, one with a groove should be a "tile, modified" while
one without should be a "plate, modified"
Yes, this does mean that older jumpers will be plates and newer ones will be
tiles.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 11:02 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
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What are these two parts? They both have an area of 4 sq units. Are they a tile
with two solid studs added or a plate with two solid studs removed.
One is a tile while the other is a plate. If agreement cannot be made on something
that simple, anything else more complicated has no chance.
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Note that the one with the bottom groove (like tiles have) is a ‘plate’ and the
one without groove (like plates) is a ‘tile’
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Indeed - if anyone wants my opinion, where the surface of the piece is split
between smooth and studded, one with a groove should be a "tile, modified" while
one without should be a "plate, modified"
Yes, this does mean that older jumpers will be plates and newer ones will be
tiles.
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An extension then is this would be a modified plate with no studs.
I wouldn't mind if the whole lot all got put in one modified category. I
often end up looking in two ategories anyway, and having just one category makes
searches easier.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 11:05 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
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An extension then is this would be a modified plate with no studs.
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No, I think this would still be a tile since it doesn't have any studs at
all.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 11:57 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
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An extension then is this would be a modified plate with no studs.
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No, I think this would still be a tile since it doesn't have any studs at
all.
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That groveless tile could be the parent of the equivalent jumper.
Taxonomy is difficult!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 13:11 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
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Taxonomy is difficult!
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I tried to get the DNA to know the mutation history but all I got was ABS 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 14:02 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
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An extension then is this would be a modified plate with no studs.
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No, I think this would still be a tile since it doesn't have any studs at
all.
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That groveless tile could be the parent of the equivalent jumper.
Taxonomy is difficult!
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Taxonomy is difficult simply because of how are brains are wired. Our brains
are not wired to look at things from a multi-dimensional perspective and information
is multi-dimensional.
This discussion brings me back to when I was and Information Systems team lead,
one of the few issues I struggled with finding a solution to make most people
happy. This is one of the reasons why I admire and respect our catalog team,
since I know what a thankless job it can be since everyone is not going to be
pleased.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 14:31 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, macebobo writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
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An extension then is this would be a modified plate with no studs.
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No, I think this would still be a tile since it doesn't have any studs at
all.
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That groveless tile could be the parent of the equivalent jumper.
Taxonomy is difficult!
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Taxonomy is difficult simply because of how are brains are wired. Our brains
are not wired to look at things from a multi-dimensional perspective and information
is multi-dimensional.
This discussion brings me back to when I was and Information Systems team lead,
one of the few issues I struggled with finding a solution to make most people
happy. This is one of the reasons why I admire and respect our catalog team,
since I know what a thankless job it can be since everyone is not going to be
pleased.
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Indeed, a tough job. It is like that with hat and hair parts. Although at least
there could be a simple rule that hair takes priority over headgear, no matter
how small the amount of hair. But with no rules, what happens ...?
I know this was / is on the road map. But still no traction there.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 11:10 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
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What are these two parts? They both have an area of 4 sq units. Are they a tile
with two solid studs added or a plate with two solid studs removed.
One is a tile while the other is a plate. If agreement cannot be made on something
that simple, anything else more complicated has no chance.
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Note that the one with the bottom groove (like tiles have) is a ‘plate’ and the
one without groove (like plates) is a ‘tile’
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Lego names them as Plates, respectively:
PLATE 2X2, W/ REDUCED KNOBS
PLATE 1X4, W/ 2 KNOBS, NO. 2
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| | | | | Author: | BricksTH4 | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 09:41 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Suggestions, metropolis1927 writes:
| | Hello
Roughly, plate is 1/3 of the brick height and with stud(s) on. Plate modified
have something attached to the plate (like 6019, 15070 and 92692). So 3794 (and
a, b), 15573, 34103, 41740, 92593, 87580, 65509 and 88000 are not plates but
tiles.
Regards,
Marko
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They are "plate, modified" as they are plates which have been modified from the
standard stud layout.
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| | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 11:04 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, metropolis1927 writes:
| | Hello
Roughly, plate is 1/3 of the brick height and with stud(s) on. Plate modified
have something attached to the plate (like 6019, 15070 and 92692). So 3794 (and
a, b), 15573, 34103, 41740, 92593, 87580, 65509 and 88000 are not plates but
tiles.
Regards,
Marko
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My several years old suggestion is:
If it has studs on the top, then it is a plate
If it doesn't have any stud on the top*, then it is tile.
This way there would be no more confusions.
Thus, all of these would be plate modified:
*Inverted tiles have studs on the bottom.
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 11:16 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | Thus, all of these would be plate modified:
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It's a nice an easy solution.
But I guess it'd move a lot of items to Plates, Modified?
Is that the problem?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 11:43 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Thus, all of these would be plate modified:
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It's a nice an easy solution.
But I guess it'd move a lot of items to Plates, Modified?
Is that the problem?
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1328430
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 12:47 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Turez writes:
Sorry, can't read all that 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 13:53 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, Turez writes:
Sorry, can't read all that
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TLDR; It has been talked about ad nauseam before and it is still what it is.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 15:02 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, macebobo writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, Turez writes:
Sorry, can't read all that
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TLDR; It has been talked about ad nauseam before and it is still what it is.
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Then why not the simple Paulo's solution: if it has a stud it's a Plate
(Modified)?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 15:34 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, macebobo writes:
| | In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, Turez writes:
Sorry, can't read all that
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TLDR; It has been talked about ad nauseam before and it is still what it is.
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Then why not the simple Paulo's solution: if it has a stud it's a Plate
(Modified)?
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Basically because of edge cases that look different to different people, to some
a jumper looks like a plate, and to others it looks like a modified tile. I
don't have an opinion, just what I was inferring from my scan of the thread.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 15:59 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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Sorry, can't read all that
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TLDR; It has been talked about ad nauseam before and it is still what it is.
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Then why not the simple Paulo's solution: if it has a stud it's a Plate
(Modified)?
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Basically because of edge cases that look different to different people, to some
a jumper looks like a plate, and to others it looks like a modified tile. I
don't have an opinion, just what I was inferring from my scan of the thread.
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Yes but the idea is nice: to remove especially those arbitrary statements like
"This is more like a Tile", or "This has been a Tile Modified for years"...
I like this idea, but didn't check where it couldn't work...
It would mean moving from Tile Modified to Plate Modified those (having at least
a stud):
And that's it, and you've got a simple clear rule: if there's a stud
it's Plate (based on).
Put this in Help, and no more discussion 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 23:40 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | And that's it, and you've got a simple clear rule: if there's a stud
it's Plate (based on).
Put this in Help, and no more discussion
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Bump - I'd be really interested to read about this?
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| | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Sep 12, 2022 20:01 | | Subject: | Re: From plate to tile | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, metropolis1927 writes:
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Roughly, plate is 1/3 of the brick height and with stud(s) on. Plate modified
have something attached to the plate (like 6019, 15070 and 92692). So 3794 (and
a, b), 15573, 34103, 41740, 92593, 87580, 65509 and 88000 are not plates but
tiles.
Regards,
Marko
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Rumor has it BrickLink is developing a tag system so that parts can be tagged
with more than one category (brick, plate, tile, etc.):
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1338567
So these parts can be tagged as both plates and tiles.
Then, everyone wins.
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