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| | | Author: | Nubs_Select  | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 22:43 | | Subject: | Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 616 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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| | | | | Author: | BricksOfFaith | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 22:47 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 158 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | I got one too… probably referencing poor Bommi…. |
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| | | | | | | Author: | bommibricks | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 10:33 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| No the email was not referencing me or my store. I have proved my innocence and
from now on, I will have pics of all the stock that I buy to prove that I am
selling genuine LEGO products. For anyone who still wants a proof, please contact
me directly and do not talk behind my back.
In Help, BricksOfFaith writes:
| | I got one too… probably referencing poor Bommi….
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 11:02 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| At least it looks like you unbanned now! Although it still looks like you aren’t
open yet at least that hopefully means you will soon!
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| | | | | Author: | CCBricks | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 22:47 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 126 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| I got the same email.
In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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| | | | | | | Author: | JustDebbie13 | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 00:32 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, CCBricks writes:
| | I got the same email.
In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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I just joined yesterday and didn't receive the email. Am I missing out on
something really good?
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| | | | | Author: | psusaxman2000 | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 22:48 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 107 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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Got it as well
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 22:50 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| It just seems off for some reason. Almost like a high-quality scam. I didn't
click any links or anything but it's just off. I don't really know how
else to put it.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jbroman | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 23:10 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | It just seems off for some reason. Almost like a high-quality scam. I didn't
click any links or anything but it's just off. I don't really know how
else to put it.
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It did seem off a bit. Especially with the spam emails we’ve been getting recently.
This should have been set as a login pop-up or on the home page.
Well the links do take you to the minifig in the email.
I did check that the link was real first before clicking.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 23:12 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| perhaps it isn't a malicious scam but maybe one to "get back" at the sellers
who defended the stores by making them worry?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | BricksOfFaith | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 23:15 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 87 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | perhaps it isn't a malicious scam but maybe one to "get back" at the sellers
who defended the stores by making them worry?
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I was getting ready to throw my iPad through the window just by reading the title…
this is getting ridiculous
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| | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 22:49 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 159 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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I received it as well. The subject line states "Immediate action required!" which
REALLY makes it sound like they are specifically claiming that my store has counterfeit
minifigures (it doesn't!).
What exactly is the immediate action that I am required to take?
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 22:50 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 91 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | Yah the entire thing is just off its weird |
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| | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 22:56 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 105 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, FigBits writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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I received it as well. The subject line states "Immediate action required!" which
REALLY makes it sound like they are specifically claiming that my store has counterfeit
minifigures (it doesn't!).
What exactly is the immediate action that I am required to take?
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It sounded rather bossy. Probably Bricklink.
John P
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| | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 23:03 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 102 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, FigBits writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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I received it as well. The subject line states "Immediate action required!" which
REALLY makes it sound like they are specifically claiming that my store has counterfeit
minifigures (it doesn't!).
What exactly is the immediate action that I am required to take?
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That is how I took it too, thinking maybe I had been reported for counterfeit
figures. Gave me a brief heart attack.
I bet this is fallout from the mega-thread about 1000 joker figures. Can't
blame anyone specific, so a mass email to all sellers.
What I find concerning is:
| | If the problem persists, we would have to consider further restrictions for listing Minifigures on the site.
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Holy hell, that is the only thing that makes many set profitable to part out.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 23:06 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | Yeah after reading it I was very concerned about what is happening. |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | pgremeau | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 23:20 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Yeah after reading it I was very concerned about what is happening.
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Recently, there was a lot of comments from people reviewing recent sets (guess
which license in particular...) where people said that sets were too expensive
(and mostly crap in some cases) but had nice minifigures and they were not going
to buy the sets but just order the minifigs off BrickLink. So here it is...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | BricksOfFaith | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 23:22 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, pgremeau writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Yeah after reading it I was very concerned about what is happening.
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Recently, there was a lot of comments from people reviewing recent sets (guess
which license in particular...) where people said that sets were too expensive
(and mostly crap in some cases) but had nice minifigures and they were not going
to buy the sets but just order the minifigs off BrickLink. So here it is...
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If they put ANY restrictions on AT ALL, I will close my store on bricklink and
sell somewhere else. I will absolutely not deal with this. Feels like Facebook
and twitter censorship all over again 😣
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 09:54 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| If you're worried about them putting restrictions on counterfeit figures
meant to defraud someone and that will close your store on a Lego ONLY site,
then you may as well pack your bags. I absolutely want them to be hard lined
when it comes to counterfeits.
In Help, BricksOfFaith writes:
| | In Help, pgremeau writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Yeah after reading it I was very concerned about what is happening.
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Recently, there was a lot of comments from people reviewing recent sets (guess
which license in particular...) where people said that sets were too expensive
(and mostly crap in some cases) but had nice minifigures and they were not going
to buy the sets but just order the minifigs off BrickLink. So here it is...
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If they put ANY restrictions on AT ALL, I will close my store on bricklink and
sell somewhere else. I will absolutely not deal with this. Feels like Facebook
and twitter censorship all over again 😣
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Korva | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 15:55 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| Ditto. Preventing the proliferation of FAKE lego on a LEGO site is not "censorship".
Given his comments regarding Facebook and Twitter "censorship", I wonder if the
irony of buying a 100 dollar counterfeit minifig would be lost on BricksofFaith.
In Help, Brettj666 writes:
| | If you're worried about them putting restrictions on counterfeit figures
meant to defraud someone and that will close your store on a Lego ONLY site,
then you may as well pack your bags. I absolutely want them to be hard lined
when it comes to counterfeits.
In Help, BricksOfFaith writes:
| | In Help, pgremeau writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Yeah after reading it I was very concerned about what is happening.
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Recently, there was a lot of comments from people reviewing recent sets (guess
which license in particular...) where people said that sets were too expensive
(and mostly crap in some cases) but had nice minifigures and they were not going
to buy the sets but just order the minifigs off BrickLink. So here it is...
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If they put ANY restrictions on AT ALL, I will close my store on bricklink and
sell somewhere else. I will absolutely not deal with this. Feels like Facebook
and twitter censorship all over again 😣
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TheCuteGiraffe | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 23:36 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| This makes me worried for the sellers.
Good luck yall!
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| | | | | | | Author: | rab1234 | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 23:05 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| "Immediate action required!" or any other sense of urgency in an email always
raises a 'scam' red flag, as does an email with tons of links in it...
Real emails should direct you to go to specified pages after logging into Bricklink
on your own.
In Help, FigBits writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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I received it as well. The subject line states "Immediate action required!" which
REALLY makes it sound like they are specifically claiming that my store has counterfeit
minifigures (it doesn't!).
What exactly is the immediate action that I am required to take?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 23:07 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, rab1234 writes:
| | "Immediate action required!" or any other sense of urgency in an email always
raises a 'scam' red flag, as does an email with tons of links in it...
Real emails should direct you to go to specified pages after logging into Bricklink
on your own.
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| | | | | | | Author: | dreambuilder71 | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 23:25 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 96 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, FigBits writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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I received it as well. The subject line states "Immediate action required!" which
REALLY makes it sound like they are specifically claiming that my store has counterfeit
minifigures (it doesn't!).
What exactly is the immediate action that I am required to take?
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Ya it made me worry for a bit as well. I'm in the middle of uploading my
entire personal collection of over 2400 minifigs to sell them off!!! I saw the
email and thought BL was saying I was uploading counterfeit Minifigures!!! I'm
like, WTF, NO WAY, NOT MINE!!!
Mine are over 15 years of hard core collecting from sets, and from other good
sellers!
Don't scare us like that Bricklink! lol.
James
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 02:20 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, FigBits writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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I received it as well. The subject line states "Immediate action required!" which
REALLY makes it sound like they are specifically claiming that my store has counterfeit
minifigures (it doesn't!).
What exactly is the immediate action that I am required to take?
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Maybe it is a warning that if you are a business bying large volumes of UCS sets
and parting out the figures here and other parts elsewhere, then remove the volume
of figureslisted at any one time. Don't list 100 or 1000, just list a small
number such as 5 with retain turned on. Then when one sells, top up the inventory.
That way, you avoid suspicion.
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 11:18 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, FigBits writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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I received it as well. The subject line states "Immediate action required!" which
REALLY makes it sound like they are specifically claiming that my store has counterfeit
minifigures (it doesn't!).
What exactly is the immediate action that I am required to take?
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Yeah, I worried early in the email that I was being accused of something. That's
not a fun feeling.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 11:33 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, axaday writes:
| | In Help, FigBits writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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I received it as well. The subject line states "Immediate action required!" which
REALLY makes it sound like they are specifically claiming that my store has counterfeit
minifigures (it doesn't!).
What exactly is the immediate action that I am required to take?
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Yeah, I worried early in the email that I was being accused of something. That's
not a fun feeling.
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Yes the wording made me immediately remove the Luke I had in my store before
I was able to give myself the appropriate time to make sense of it all as I'm
all too aware that Bricklink can very easily suspend a store and then ask questions
later!
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| | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 23:41 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 95 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | legomalego | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 23:44 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | AColtsFan | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 01:45 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, utlf writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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Just check the email it was sent from.... lol
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The email was confirmed legitimate by an administrator, but in general it is
important to understand that the From: address is no guarantee of authenticity.
It is astonishingly easy to forge the From: header in email (just like,
as a practical matter you can put whatever you want as the return address on
physical mail--however unethical or in some cases even illegal it may be,
it's very easy to do and there's not a lot that can be done to
prevent it), and there's no universally-workable or reliable means of ensuring
that it's legitimate.
So the From: address in an email really is not something people should be relying
on to distinguish scams from legitimate communications.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 07:36 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, AColtsFan writes:
| | So the From: address in an email really is not something people should be relying
on to distinguish scams from legitimate communications.
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The From address is incredibly easy to spoof, but other headers not so much.
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| | | | | Author: | legomalego | | Posted: | Aug 2, 2022 23:42 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 87 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| Strange that it only came via email and not through Bricklink messages, or is
that normal?
Also strange that no one from Bricklink has chimed in.
I have no inventory and have zero sales but received the email.
In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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| | | | | | | Author: | jbroman | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 00:10 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, legomalego writes:
| | Strange that it only came via email and not through Bricklink messages, or is
that normal?
Also strange that no one from Bricklink has chimed in.
I have no inventory and have zero sales but received the email.
In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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It was sent from the same email address as they send their newsletters.
Either sent to all sellers, or to everyone.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 02:23 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | Either sent to all sellers, or to everyone.
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I didn't get one, but then I temporarily closed for summer a few days ago.
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| | | | | | | Author: | rab1234 | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 00:20 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 99 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| Bricklink should really work on how they phrase things in their mass emails.
This raises almost every red flag for a scam you can imagine.
Urgency and action required! Veiled threats that things might have to change
on the site if behavior doesn’t improve (click on our links!). Lots and lots
of links throughout….
In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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It is real, I can confirm it.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 00:22 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, rab1234 writes:
| | Bricklink should really work on how they phrase things in their mass emails.
This raises almost every red flag for a scam you can imagine.
Urgency and action required! Veiled threats that things might have to change
on the site if behavior doesn’t improve (click on our links!). Lots and lots
of links throughout….
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 00:23 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| I don’t know if I should be relieved or worried that it’s now confirmed to be
real.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 02:35 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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It is real, I can confirm it.
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https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/191671-counterfeit-minifigs-allegedly-on-bricklink/
The way this has been done could be very damaging for bricklink's reputation.
There is already a thread on eurobricks about it although no replies as yet.
One worried buyer that previously bought minifigures are fake.
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| | | | | | | Author: | BigBBricks | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 02:56 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 97 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
| | It is real, I can confirm it.
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Russell, I hope your investigative team will also look to see if sellers in question
parted out the sets that contain any of these questionable figs in the same date/quantity
ranges before taking action. Those Luke's were in an Advent calendar in 2020
(plus seven other sets so far) and they were highly parted out by many sellers
so having hundreds of that figure for some sellers isn't an oddity.
Q: Are we not supposed to list all of our inventory now in fear that new/overreactive
users, see comments above, may not understand LEGO economics and perceive us
as selling fraudulent items just because we caught a great sale a few years back?
This is a serious question. Your email deputized the community and asked them
to hunt down perceived frauds, citing that having high quantities of the figure
as a trigger, SW0778 has been around for a while in low dollar/seasonal sets
that frequent the discount aisle.
- Big B
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 03:21 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 07:41 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, utlf writes:
| | If a seller has 100 C-3POs from the set, then surely they would list at least
10 windshields, or have a bunch of nougat coloured parts in their inventory,
right?
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Not necessarily, no. I've definitely taken minifigures from sets and listed
them before fully parting them out. There's no reason this couldn't be
done at greater scale.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 07:47 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, utlf writes:
| | In Help, BigBBricks writes:
| | In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
| | It is real, I can confirm it.
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Russell, I hope your investigative team will also look to see if sellers in question
parted out the sets that contain any of these questionable figs in the same date/quantity
ranges before taking action. Those Luke's were in an Advent calendar in 2020
(plus seven other sets so far) and they were highly parted out by many sellers
so having hundreds of that figure for some sellers isn't an oddity.
Q: Are we not supposed to list all of our inventory now in fear that new/overreactive
users, see comments above, may not understand LEGO economics and perceive us
as selling fraudulent items just because we caught a great sale a few years back?
This is a serious question. Your email deputized the community and asked them
to hunt down perceived frauds, citing that having high quantities of the figure
as a trigger, SW0778 has been around for a while in low dollar/seasonal sets
that frequent the discount aisle.
- Big B
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I second this, a telltale sign are the missing parts that SHOULD be in the seller's
inventory, but aren't, despite them having high quantities of a specific
minifigure - the Farmboy Luke minifig is definitely common, but the email also
mentions the C-3PO only found in the UCS Landspeeder, which is only in one set
at this point in time, only available on S@H/Lego Stores, and limited to 5 per
household
I find that choosing a few key elements from a set & comparing them to seller
inventories is helpful when questioning the legitimacy of the minifigs - for
example, the UCS Landspeeder's windshield
If a seller has 100 C-3POs from the set, then surely they would list at least
10 windshields, or have a bunch of nougat coloured parts in their inventory,
right?
I also understand that sellers also hold back inventory, or take a while to sort,
or even bulk-sell to people, but I highly doubt every seller is doing this and
that there ARE some bad actors within the community - it's hard to admit,
and it sucks, but with everything going on in the world at this point it's
not out of the realm of possibility
If you're putting out ~$20k to buy 100 Landspeeders, you're simply not
making your money back off of one minifigure, and you're gonna want an ROI
as soon as possible
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Yes and no. It takes time. For example, we've invested a lot into new sets
this year. The first thing we do is pull out all minifigures and get them listed
as soon as possible. The rest of the pieces go through a sorting procedure so
we can list everything from one category from all sets at once. That sorting
procedure takes time. We've put minifigures on our store about two months
ago from sets that we still haven't listed all the pieces from.
Also, what if they did have the pieces from the sets, but someone has already
purchased them. It's happened to us before. We get several of one set that
has this new piece, and someone right away buys our entire stock of said piece.
So the minifigures are still on our store, but if you tried to find the special
pieces from the set to "prove" we actually had it, you're going to have a
hard time doing so.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 03:38 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | Russell, I hope your investigative team will also look to see if sellers in question
parted out the sets that contain any of these questionable figs in the same date/quantity
ranges before taking action. Those Luke's were in an Advent calendar in 2020
(plus seven other sets so far) and they were highly parted out by many sellers
so having hundreds of that figure for some sellers isn't an oddity.
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That also assumes they did not sell other parts or complete sets minus figures
elsewhere.
| | Q: Are we not supposed to list all of our inventory now in fear that new/overreactive
users, see comments above, may not understand LEGO economics and perceive us
as selling fraudulent items just because we caught a great sale a few years back?
This is a serious question. Your email deputized the community and asked them
to hunt down perceived frauds, citing that having high quantities of the figure
as a trigger, SW0778 has been around for a while in low dollar/seasonal sets
that frequent the discount aisle.
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If you have 100 of an old set with a high value figure in, it is probably best
not to list 100 of that figure at once as you will probably be reported and the
items removed or your store suspended (as we have recently seen). List a few
and use retain to keep the listing, then update quantities each time one sells
(more work), or when they sell out (less work).
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | enig | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 08:28 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? Things are not that simple | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, BigBBricks writes:
| | In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
| | It is real, I can confirm it.
|
Russell, I hope your investigative team will also look to see if sellers in question
parted out the sets that contain any of these questionable figs in the same date/quantity
ranges before taking action. Those Luke's were in an Advent calendar in 2020
(plus seven other sets so far) and they were highly parted out by many sellers
so having hundreds of that figure for some sellers isn't an oddity.
Q: Are we not supposed to list all of our inventory now in fear that new/overreactive
users, see comments above, may not understand LEGO economics and perceive us
as selling fraudulent items just because we caught a great sale a few years back?
This is a serious question. Your email deputized the community and asked them
to hunt down perceived frauds, citing that having high quantities of the figure
as a trigger, SW0778 has been around for a while in low dollar/seasonal sets
that frequent the discount aisle.
- Big B
|
I get the logic, but it comes from having a limited/flawed knowledge of some
of the ins and outs on how, specifically, minifigs and their parts market works.
* Some sellers sell the sets without minifigs. On various marketplaces, not even
necessarily on BL. Minifigs are sold on BL.
* Some sellers are selling off legitimate minifigs/minifig parts in large or
even obscene quantities. Sourced and PAID FOR buying directly from LEGO
* Some sellers are re-selling the said minifigs or their parts
* Some sellers are buying up the loose minifig parts from the aforementioned
sellers and (re)selling completed minifigs
* Some sellers have been, and some still are sitting on large amounts
of unlisted inventory for years
Meanwhile:
* Some sellers are using illegitimate ways of obtaining the minifigs or their
parts from the factories/distribution centers, perhaps faking the prints, or
(re)selling outright fakes. Sometimes perhaps without even knowing, although
not very likely(?).
Similar story with stickers and just rare parts in general. I am sitting on piles
of stickers bought a long time ago and it will still be a while until they are
listed for sale.
How to tell just by looking at listings? Damned if I know. But one thing can
not be stressed enough. BL - you better have a goddamn solid proof before
messing with the shops or their inventories. There are sellers who have been
in the minifigs/their parts market for years and whose livelihood very much depends
on this specific part of the market.
With all this being said - while I have personally not encountered any issues
except blowing £200 on suspected fake 42083 stickers and a fake-print original
Millennium Falcon radar, that was several years ago. With the quality of fakes
apparently getting better and better - I would be very surprised if they are
not being sold on BL for some time already. Be it in large, or small quantities.
But again - neither a high qty nor a single buyer's complaint is necessarily
good enough to close a shop up or remove listings. High qty - look at the points
above. Buyers complaints - some buyers know what the are talking about, some
don't. Just as an example - look up the amount of threads where a random
brand new user is accusing seller of shipping a fake hairpiece, headgear, utensil
or whatever else 'because it does not have a LEGO logo on it'.
I don't even know how BL should address this. But as one of the sellers who
may potentially be affected and also knowing how sometimes BL does things - right
now I am terrified.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Beebs | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 09:20 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? Things are not that simple | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| I'm a little concerned, as I'm sure others are. I just (probably irresponsibly)
spent half my life's savings on some amazing classic figs that I was hoping
could sell some in chunks and others one by one. This action will put me at risk
of being shut down or have inventory pulled or at risk of people just not buying.
I don't want to pull inventory, as it will reduce the chance of getting the
one or two bulk sales that might make a huge difference. What's the difference
between have 20, 50, or 300 dragon knights? The numbers clearly stand out, but
I originally wanted them to in order to Farner additional attention.
I did my best to get the source of the figs, but they seem to have been passed
from somebody who passed away to someone who had a lucky find to me. They are
without a doubt legitimate, but how can I prove where they came from?
In Help, enig writes:
| | In Help, BigBBricks writes:
| | In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
| | It is real, I can confirm it.
|
Russell, I hope your investigative team will also look to see if sellers in question
parted out the sets that contain any of these questionable figs in the same date/quantity
ranges before taking action. Those Luke's were in an Advent calendar in 2020
(plus seven other sets so far) and they were highly parted out by many sellers
so having hundreds of that figure for some sellers isn't an oddity.
Q: Are we not supposed to list all of our inventory now in fear that new/overreactive
users, see comments above, may not understand LEGO economics and perceive us
as selling fraudulent items just because we caught a great sale a few years back?
This is a serious question. Your email deputized the community and asked them
to hunt down perceived frauds, citing that having high quantities of the figure
as a trigger, SW0778 has been around for a while in low dollar/seasonal sets
that frequent the discount aisle.
- Big B
|
I get the logic, but it comes from having a limited/flawed knowledge of some
of the ins and outs on how, specifically, minifigs and their parts market works.
* Some sellers sell the sets without minifigs. On various marketplaces, not even
necessarily on BL. Minifigs are sold on BL.
* Some sellers are selling off legitimate minifigs/minifig parts in large or
even obscene quantities. Sourced and PAID FOR buying directly from LEGO
* Some sellers are re-selling the said minifigs or their parts
* Some sellers are buying up the loose minifig parts from the aforementioned
sellers and (re)selling completed minifigs
* Some sellers have been, and some still are sitting on large amounts
of unlisted inventory for years
Meanwhile:
* Some sellers are using illegitimate ways of obtaining the minifigs or their
parts from the factories/distribution centers, perhaps faking the prints, or
(re)selling outright fakes. Sometimes perhaps without even knowing, although
not very likely(?).
Similar story with stickers and just rare parts in general. I am sitting on piles
of stickers bought a long time ago and it will still be a while until they are
listed for sale.
How to tell just by looking at listings? Damned if I know. But one thing can
not be stressed enough. BL - you better have a goddamn solid proof before
messing with the shops or their inventories. There are sellers who have been
in the minifigs/their parts market for years and whose livelihood very much depends
on this specific part of the market.
With all this being said - while I have personally not encountered any issues
except blowing £200 on suspected fake 42083 stickers and a fake-print original
Millennium Falcon radar, that was several years ago. With the quality of fakes
apparently getting better and better - I would be very surprised if they are
not being sold on BL for some time already. Be it in large, or small quantities.
But again - neither a high qty nor a single buyer's complaint is necessarily
good enough to close a shop up or remove listings. High qty - look at the points
above. Buyers complaints - some buyers know what the are talking about, some
don't. Just as an example - look up the amount of threads where a random
brand new user is accusing seller of shipping a fake hairpiece, headgear, utensil
or whatever else 'because it does not have a LEGO logo on it'.
I don't even know how BL should address this. But as one of the sellers who
may potentially be affected and also knowing how sometimes BL does things - right
now I am terrified.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | rab1234 | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 09:29 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? Things are not that simple | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| I would recommend against investing 1/2 your life savings in any one thing, be
it a LEGO figure, gold, or stock in a single company. That being said, you certainly
need clarification from bricklink. However you can also sell them on other platforms.
In Help, Beebs writes:
| | I'm a little concerned, as I'm sure others are. I just (probably irresponsibly)
spent half my life's savings on some amazing classic figs that I was hoping
could sell some in chunks and others one by one. This action will put me at risk
of being shut down or have inventory pulled or at risk of people just not buying.
I don't want to pull inventory, as it will reduce the chance of getting the
one or two bulk sales that might make a huge difference. What's the difference
between have 20, 50, or 300 dragon knights? The numbers clearly stand out, but
I originally wanted them to in order to Farner additional attention.
I did my best to get the source of the figs, but they seem to have been passed
from somebody who passed away to someone who had a lucky find to me. They are
without a doubt legitimate, but how can I prove where they came from?
In Help, enig writes:
| | In Help, BigBBricks writes:
| | In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
| | It is real, I can confirm it.
|
Russell, I hope your investigative team will also look to see if sellers in question
parted out the sets that contain any of these questionable figs in the same date/quantity
ranges before taking action. Those Luke's were in an Advent calendar in 2020
(plus seven other sets so far) and they were highly parted out by many sellers
so having hundreds of that figure for some sellers isn't an oddity.
Q: Are we not supposed to list all of our inventory now in fear that new/overreactive
users, see comments above, may not understand LEGO economics and perceive us
as selling fraudulent items just because we caught a great sale a few years back?
This is a serious question. Your email deputized the community and asked them
to hunt down perceived frauds, citing that having high quantities of the figure
as a trigger, SW0778 has been around for a while in low dollar/seasonal sets
that frequent the discount aisle.
- Big B
|
I get the logic, but it comes from having a limited/flawed knowledge of some
of the ins and outs on how, specifically, minifigs and their parts market works.
* Some sellers sell the sets without minifigs. On various marketplaces, not even
necessarily on BL. Minifigs are sold on BL.
* Some sellers are selling off legitimate minifigs/minifig parts in large or
even obscene quantities. Sourced and PAID FOR buying directly from LEGO
* Some sellers are re-selling the said minifigs or their parts
* Some sellers are buying up the loose minifig parts from the aforementioned
sellers and (re)selling completed minifigs
* Some sellers have been, and some still are sitting on large amounts
of unlisted inventory for years
Meanwhile:
* Some sellers are using illegitimate ways of obtaining the minifigs or their
parts from the factories/distribution centers, perhaps faking the prints, or
(re)selling outright fakes. Sometimes perhaps without even knowing, although
not very likely(?).
Similar story with stickers and just rare parts in general. I am sitting on piles
of stickers bought a long time ago and it will still be a while until they are
listed for sale.
How to tell just by looking at listings? Damned if I know. But one thing can
not be stressed enough. BL - you better have a goddamn solid proof before
messing with the shops or their inventories. There are sellers who have been
in the minifigs/their parts market for years and whose livelihood very much depends
on this specific part of the market.
With all this being said - while I have personally not encountered any issues
except blowing £200 on suspected fake 42083 stickers and a fake-print original
Millennium Falcon radar, that was several years ago. With the quality of fakes
apparently getting better and better - I would be very surprised if they are
not being sold on BL for some time already. Be it in large, or small quantities.
But again - neither a high qty nor a single buyer's complaint is necessarily
good enough to close a shop up or remove listings. High qty - look at the points
above. Buyers complaints - some buyers know what the are talking about, some
don't. Just as an example - look up the amount of threads where a random
brand new user is accusing seller of shipping a fake hairpiece, headgear, utensil
or whatever else 'because it does not have a LEGO logo on it'.
I don't even know how BL should address this. But as one of the sellers who
may potentially be affected and also knowing how sometimes BL does things - right
now I am terrified.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stoan | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 03:17 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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It is real, I can confirm it.
|
Sending mails trying to trick the sellers into denouncing each others - that
are methods that make me think twice if I want to be part of this platform any
longer!
That on top of conversations with unqualified support telling me why they deleted
a rare item on my inventory - first not knowing what happened and then arguing
with literally "they (the pieces) are high profile"... I mean WTF Bricklink?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 03:25 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | (Cancelled) |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stoan | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 03:35 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, utlf writes:
| | In Help, Stoan writes:
| | In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
|
It is real, I can confirm it.
|
Sending mails trying to trick the sellers into denouncing each others - that
are methods that make me think twice if I want to be part of this platform any
longer!
That on top of conversations with unqualified support telling me why they deleted
a rare item on my inventory - first not knowing what happened and then arguing
with literally "they (the pieces) are high profile"... I mean WTF Bricklink?
|
What parts were removed? If they're the prototype parts, Bricklink recently
announced that they're no longer allowed to be sold here
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an x50
Anyways, since Lego bought Bricklink it is a decent!
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| | | | | | | Author: | Bricklord | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 11:52 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| As others have observed, this was poorly worded and disseminated in a manner
that could only raise questions as to its veracity. While the intent is clear,
and the desire to keep counterfeit product off this site is desirable, a modicum
of thought on the part of Admin prior to sending this message would have been
wiser. Aside from the accusatory tone, had a copy been left in everyone's
on site Messages Received folder would have alleviated the suspicions, and associated
increases in blood pressure.
In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
|
It is real, I can confirm it.
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| | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 00:33 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 85 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
|
i noticed it in my Junk Mail..
only 1 way to be 100% sure the known fakes aren't being sold.....
-- Brinklink HAS too ban the sale items with known fakes in
circulation
otherwise nothing can be trusted
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| | | | | | | Author: | BricksOfFaith | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 00:37 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
|
i noticed it in my Junk Mail..
only 1 way to be 100% sure the known fakes aren't being sold.....
-- Brinklink HAS too ban the sale items with known fakes in
circulation
otherwise nothing can be trusted
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If they start banning items from the website, I’m gone.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 00:42 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, BricksOfFaith writes:
| | In Help, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
|
i noticed it in my Junk Mail..
only 1 way to be 100% sure the known fakes aren't being sold.....
-- Brinklink HAS too ban the sale items with known fakes in
circulation
otherwise nothing can be trusted
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If they start banning items from the website, I’m gone.
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it's the ONLY way...
those items MUST be banned immediately -- if the Email is Legit
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| | | | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 00:52 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | (Cancelled) |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 01:23 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, utlf writes:
| | In Help, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
|
i noticed it in my Junk Mail..
only 1 way to be 100% sure the known fakes aren't being sold.....
-- Brinklink HAS too ban the sale items with known fakes in
circulation
otherwise nothing can be trusted
|
I think there's a huge difference between a seller selling 1 or 2 of the
same minifig from a UCS set & one that's selling hundreds/thousands of the
same one
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the fun part is the 'Custom Printer' can obviously print ANY
Lego Brick with a design on it... & likely stickers
they can even print on a rounded surface of a head with ease... apparently
and now he's bored looking for a 'new design'.....
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 01:30 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | (Cancelled) |
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stoan | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 03:20 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
|
i noticed it in my Junk Mail..
only 1 way to be 100% sure the known fakes aren't being sold.....
-- Brinklink HAS too ban the sale items with known fakes in
circulation
otherwise nothing can be trusted
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LOL, they are encouraging sellers to point at each other - that's pathetic!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 10:00 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| I don't see why, if I see someone selling a set that is clearly incomplete,
yet they are listing it as complete, I report it.
If I see a listing that is "new", but says "built only once", I report it.
That's the proper procedure.
Like if I saw someone trying to steal a car, I'd report it.
It's communal existing.
In Help, Stoan writes:
| | In Help, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
|
i noticed it in my Junk Mail..
only 1 way to be 100% sure the known fakes aren't being sold.....
-- Brinklink HAS too ban the sale items with known fakes in
circulation
otherwise nothing can be trusted
|
LOL, they are encouraging sellers to point at each other - that's pathetic!
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| | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 00:33 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 206 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | Here’s some better images |
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| | | | | Author: | cheapskate | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 00:39 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
|
It reads like it was translated (poorly) from another language.
The subject of the email is offensively accusatory. I haven’t sold any stand-alone
minifigures in years and they start out with “Counterfeit Minifigures - Immediate
action required!‘
Ridiculous.
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| | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 00:44 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, cheapskate writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
|
It reads like it was translated (poorly) from another language.
The subject of the email is offensively accusatory. I haven’t sold any stand-alone
minifigures in years and they start out with “Counterfeit Minifigures - Immediate
action required!‘
Ridiculous.
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given the email needs to be translated to a world audience in 1 swoop, awkward
wording is expected
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| | | | | Author: | legokopen | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 00:41 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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They should go after counterfeit items ONLY, not after any genuine minifig.
I was worried, and I don't even have my minifigures from the UCS Landspeeder
on sale.
But it worrying that I'm not even allowed to sell them.
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| | | | | | | Author: | legokopen | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 00:55 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, legokopen writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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They should go after counterfeit items ONLY, not after any genuine minifig.
I was worried, and I don't even have my minifigures from the UCS Landspeeder
on sale.
But it worrying that I'm not even allowed to sell them.
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Sorry, just missed it: they're still legal to sell, when genuine.
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| | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 04:03 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 99 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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Here’s the e-mail (Mailchimp is the service BL uses for its newletters):
https://mailchi.mp/eac856c8810e/counterfeit-minifigures-immediate-action-required
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| | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 04:48 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 98 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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Normally I don't come here on this forum anymore but this email was so silly
it made me laugh. So basically they are sending a direct message to all SELLERS
(not buyers) to look out for this even though Bricklink literally OWNS this database
and can see directly where the problems are without anyone's help. Except
now they lost this ability, because they have just told all counterfeit sellers
to sell in small batches. 
I'm honestly wondering if the person who came up with this idea was just
honestly extremely naive, or if it is a deliberate instruction to all counterfeit
sellers to keep their quantities down in order to avoid Bricklink looking like
a suspicious marketplace, in light of item legitimacy being a hot topic lately.
I would not expect that from Bricklink, but I'm not sure which scenario is
more credible.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 05:04 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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Normally I don't come here on this forum anymore but this email was so silly
it made me laugh. So basically they are sending a direct message to all SELLERS
(not buyers) to look out for this even though Bricklink literally OWNS this database
and can see directly where the problems are without anyone's help. Except
now they lost this ability, because they have just told all counterfeit sellers
to sell in small batches.
I'm honestly wondering if the person who came up with this idea was just
honestly extremely naive, or if it is a deliberate instruction to all counterfeit
sellers to keep their quantities down in order to avoid Bricklink looking like
a suspicious marketplace, in light of item legitimacy being a hot topic lately.
I would not expect that from Bricklink, but I'm not sure which scenario is
more credible.
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I'd hope it is the former - just a naive, knee jerk reaction. I can understand
pointing out C-3PO but the first figure they have highlighted - Luke - is common
and cheap. He has already been in a number of sets. He was even on the cover
of a kids' magazine and so was readily available in some EU counties and
the UK. Last summer I saw a seller at a boot sale with many 100s of the foil
bags including that Luke minifigure from unsold magazines. I bought a couple
of Cloud City Luke for myself but now I am glad I didn't buy the Tatooine
Luke in any quantity given the witch hunt that will start.
Still, Bricklink really should have looked through their database of currently
listed stocks and contacted sellers where they think that there is an issue,
rather than sending out the message that bricklink is full of fakes. As that
is the way this will be seen once it filters through other forums and fan sites.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Lego2play | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 05:12 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| I'm with you. This is strange and for more than one reason. This e-mail thread
is long so someone else may have noticed as well, but to me the strangest thing
is the examples Bricklink shows.
I would understand expensive and rare LEGO minifigures being targeted by counterfeit
printers. So if the examples were eg Cloud City Star Wars minifigures, it would
make sense.
But the example is sw0778! That minifigure can be purchased for a few dollars
or euros, just a little more than the blank item cost. It's not rare either
- it comes from 8 sets including the 2020 Advent Calendar and a foil pack. If
I wanted I could easily purchase hundreds of these foil packs, part them and
sell them on Bricklink.
And now Bricklink tells us "watch out" if someone sells hundreds of these. That
could be totally legit and there is no business case for counterfeit with this
specific minifigure.
Please Bricklink explain yourself, because this is starting to look foolish.
If it weren't July I would check my calendar for April Fools Day.
Have a fun LEGO day! Arno
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 05:21 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 100 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Lego2play writes:
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If it weren't July I would check my calendar for April Fools Day.
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Er, it’s been August for 3 days now. Just saying 
| | Have a fun LEGO day! Arno
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 11:08 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | | | Author: | tec | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 06:13 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In fear that after that msg, scammers will list just two Lukes and relist it
every time sold. Sigh
Don't we have better methods? Like, alcohol can wash the fake ink while real
Lego won't? Just asking
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| | | | | Author: | Amazingly | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 08:43 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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Just over 50 people have removed their minifig listing SW0778 including several
that had over 100 for sale. I hope you took screenshots.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Amazingly | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 08:47 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Amazingly writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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Just over 50 people have removed their minifig listing SW0778 including several
that had over 100 for sale. I hope you took screenshots.
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and the people who went from having over 100 to now having under 20-30 overnight.
Good day for sales I guess.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | George_Lucy | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 08:55 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| All you need to do is go on Instagram and see the selling going on there. It
is obvious that most are fakes and custom printed.
In Help, Amazingly writes:
| | In Help, Amazingly writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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Just over 50 people have removed their minifig listing SW0778 including several
that had over 100 for sale. I hope you took screenshots.
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and the people who went from having over 100 to now having under 20-30 overnight.
Good day for sales I guess.
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 09:26 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Amazingly writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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Just over 50 people have removed their minifig listing SW0778 including several
that had over 100 for sale. I hope you took screenshots.
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Well I had one of those Luke's listed in my own Bricklink store and yet I
chose to remove it not because I doubt its authenticity but while Bricklink and
its community is currently aware of a bad circulation of counterfeits for those
specific minifigures it didn't seem worth putting my own store into any jeopardy
from potential misunderstandings just for the sake of being able to sell one
minifigure and so does that make me also guilty?
Besides at the time I actually removed it as a quick knee jerk reaction to Bricklinks
initial wording which is clearly missing the word 'Counterfeit' from
within the paragraph:-
"If you have or suspect that you have these listed in your store, please remove
them immediately as we will be taking action against stores selling these items
now and ongoing. If the problem persists, we would have to consider further restrictions
for listing Minifigures on the site."
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | George_Lucy | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 09:43 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| That Luke was listed in 8 sets. I believe it was just used because the C-3po
was in a set with him. I have a few hundred of the foil packs with him in it.
They are all real. One store has 140 of the C-3po figures listed. That is a red
flag not selling one Luke.
In Help, infinibrix writes:
| | In Help, Amazingly writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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Just over 50 people have removed their minifig listing SW0778 including several
that had over 100 for sale. I hope you took screenshots.
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Well I had one of those Luke's listed in my own Bricklink store and yet I
chose to remove it not because I doubt its authenticity but while Bricklink and
its community is currently aware of a bad circulation of counterfeits for those
specific minifigures it didn't seem worth putting my own store into any jeopardy
from potential misunderstandings just for the sake of being able to sell one
minifigure and so does that make me also guilty?
Besides at the time I actually removed it as a quick knee jerk reaction to Bricklinks
initial wording which is clearly missing the word 'Counterfeit' from
within the paragraph:-
"If you have or suspect that you have these listed in your store, please remove
them immediately as we will be taking action against stores selling these items
now and ongoing. If the problem persists, we would have to consider further restrictions
for listing Minifigures on the site."
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 09:57 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 10:10 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, George_Lucy writes:
| | That Luke was listed in 8 sets. I believe it was just used because the C-3po
was in a set with him. I have a few hundred of the foil packs with him in it.
They are all real. One store has 140 of the C-3po figures listed. That is a red
flag not selling one Luke.
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Yes whilst I never considered my single Luke to be a red flag to my store I just
chose to remove it and was just trying to explain to the other guy that just
because people may have now removed them from their store doesn't make them
all instantly guilty of selling counterfeits!
I just chose to avoid any association with selling something that could be deemed
or at least misunderstood to be counterfeit but if I already had lots of them
to sell like yourself then I probably wouldn't have bothered!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Amazingly | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 11:01 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, infinibrix writes:
| | In Help, Amazingly writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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Just over 50 people have removed their minifig listing SW0778 including several
that had over 100 for sale. I hope you took screenshots.
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Well I had one of those Luke's listed in my own Bricklink store and yet I
chose to remove it not because I doubt its authenticity but while Bricklink and
its community is currently aware of a bad circulation of counterfeits for those
specific minifigures it didn't seem worth putting my own store into any jeopardy
from potential misunderstandings just for the sake of being able to sell one
minifigure and so does that make me also guilty?
Besides at the time I actually removed it as a quick knee jerk reaction to Bricklinks
initial wording which is clearly missing the word 'Counterfeit' from
within the paragraph:-
"If you have or suspect that you have these listed in your store, please remove
them immediately as we will be taking action against stores selling these items
now and ongoing. If the problem persists, we would have to consider further restrictions
for listing Minifigures on the site."
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Did I name anyone? and I was talking about the people who had a great deal of
them. One had close to 700. Doesn't mean they are fake either. They know
where they got them from. If I had some and I removed them from sets I would
sell them but I see why you are removing yours. It is probably the best thing
to do right now so I am with you on that. Sorry if I didn't word my email
right but only the sellers know the truth.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 11:46 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Amazingly writes:
| | In Help, infinibrix writes:
| | In Help, Amazingly writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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Just over 50 people have removed their minifig listing SW0778 including several
that had over 100 for sale. I hope you took screenshots.
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Well I had one of those Luke's listed in my own Bricklink store and yet I
chose to remove it not because I doubt its authenticity but while Bricklink and
its community is currently aware of a bad circulation of counterfeits for those
specific minifigures it didn't seem worth putting my own store into any jeopardy
from potential misunderstandings just for the sake of being able to sell one
minifigure and so does that make me also guilty?
Besides at the time I actually removed it as a quick knee jerk reaction to Bricklinks
initial wording which is clearly missing the word 'Counterfeit' from
within the paragraph:-
"If you have or suspect that you have these listed in your store, please remove
them immediately as we will be taking action against stores selling these items
now and ongoing. If the problem persists, we would have to consider further restrictions
for listing Minifigures on the site."
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Did I name anyone? and I was talking about the people who had a great deal of
them. One had close to 700. Doesn't mean they are fake either. They know
where they got them from. If I had some and I removed them from sets I would
sell them but I see why you are removing yours. It is probably the best thing
to do right now so I am with you on that. Sorry if I didn't word my email
right but only the sellers know the truth.
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Yes I appreciate you wasn't accusing anyone but I just felt it important
to re-iterate that there may be other legitimate reasons why people have ended
up temporarily removing them
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 11:52 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | Did I name anyone? and I was talking about the people who had a great deal of
them. One had close to 700. Doesn't mean they are fake either. They know
where they got them from. If I had some and I removed them from sets I would
sell them but I see why you are removing yours. It is probably the best thing
to do right now so I am with you on that. Sorry if I didn't word my email
right but only the sellers know the truth.
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I'm glad I passed up the opportunity to buy a load of the foil bags that
had that version of Luke in them last year. History shows that Bricklink suspends
first and asks questions later. Anyone with more than a couple of even that common
figure is sensible to remove them as they'd probably face at least a few
weeks of trying to get their store opened again, along with longer term reputational
damage for being suspended.
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| | | | | Author: | pitz8008 | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 09:32 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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I dunno, I guess I'm the only one but it seemed like a perfectly reasonable
and legit email to me. Looks like I'm on my own on this one.
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| | | | | Author: | Graham. | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 09:47 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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Bricklink need to clean their own house, not ask the entire community to police
it for them. Aka snitches. IMHO
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 10:11 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 10:12 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| Sorry I won't reply, busy; we're checking right now our 125,011 Technic
Pins, one by one.
Apart this, LEGO is right (in his right) not to allow sales of counterfeit, of
course.
But I don't like to see prices of a few grams of plastic going to thousands
of $ or €.
For this amount - and especially for the recent couple of years - I agree people
would do anything.
Selling high value items and increase prices more and more participate to feed
this economic monster, may conduct to all sort of abuses/frauds, or worse.
Sellers have all a kind of responsability here, I guess and IMHO.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 11:21 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | | | Author: | rab1234 | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 10:13 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| I would add that while it’s possible to obtain 100s of these figs (C-3PO) legitimately,
would any sane person actually risk that much money doing so when it’s entirely
possible LEGO puts the same fig in a $4 poly bag or cheap set later? There seems
to be zero reason for someone to ever have a huge number of that fig in particular
as the risk would just be ridiculous.
In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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| | | | | Author: | BricksOfFaith | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 10:23 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| I wasn’t going to say too much in fear of being red-flagged by the admins, or
being jumped on by argumentative users, however, this is outrageous.
Being the conspiracy theorist that I am, I honestly think Lego is trying to shut
down bricklink. They’ve shut down larger ones already, and now sent that email
to scare others away. When they put those “restrictions” on, they will lose so
many customers, it’s not even funny. I honestly think Lego see’s bricklink as
a loss of money. And if not, why is BL trying so hard to get rid of users??
“If you are sus about anyone, be a tattle tale. It’s the best thing you can do.”
Wow 🙄
They also said, “BRICKLINK IS NO LONGER A SAFE PLACE TO BUY LEGO! ALL OF THE
PRODUCTS ARE MOST LIKELY FAKE!” seriously?! Again, I think it’s just Lego trying
to get people to come and buy from ONLY them….
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| | | | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 10:31 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | | | Author: | godfrey | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 10:32 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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To be fair, instead of asking Bricklink sellers to police the site, they should
have cracked down on their factories. Folks are obviously misuse (abuse) as factory
employees to print or produce in either rare colors or rare prints. That's
on them! Not on the sellers! Especially when sellers don't even know.
Crack down on the employees instead. Haven't us AFOLs paid enough? First
the MSRP hikes (like multiple times within the last few years). Now this...asking
AFOLs to pay the ultimate cost (store shutdowns, revoke of minifigure listings)
for what is essentially their own employees abusing the system/their privilege.
Even if they shut down Bricklink, I'm sure their employees will continue
to list these counterfeits through other sites like brickowl or ebay. so what's
the point of shutting down AFOLs?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | bommibricks | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 11:14 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| I totally agree, it is upto LEGO to protect it's brand and their property
and they need to come up with better ways than harassing the sellers of the product,
I do not think so anyone smart enough would sell fake products in Bricklink (a
lego company) it is liking knowing you have a fake currency and then going to
the bank to deposit it.
At the same time, it is also our responsibility as sellers not to buy from unknown
sources and helping the Bricklink and LEGO team with any of their investigations.
Regards
Bommi Reddy
In Help, utlf writes:
| | In Help, godfrey writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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To be fair, instead of asking Bricklink sellers to police the site, they should
have cracked down on their factories. Folks are obviously misuse (abuse) as factory
employees to print or produce in either rare colors or rare prints. That's
on them! Not on the sellers! Especially when sellers don't even know.
Crack down on the employees instead. Haven't us AFOLs paid enough? First
the MSRP hikes (like multiple times within the last few years). Now this...asking
AFOLs to pay the ultimate cost (store shutdowns, revoke of minifigure listings)
for what is essentially their own employees abusing the system/their privilege.
Even if they shut down Bricklink, I'm sure their employees will continue
to list these counterfeits through other sites like brickowl or ebay. so what's
the point of shutting down AFOLs?
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This, 100%
It's coming from within Lego factories, I don't care how hard people
want to cope & say it isn't - even Lego Customer Service states there are
measures in place to prevent this, but it's clearly ineffective as it's
prevalent and continues to be an issue to this day
If employees are able to use Lego factory equipment & resources to make these
transparent minifigures/parts in random colours, then they're just as easily
able to acquire other minifigures that belong in sets
You can't honestly blame the sellers on BL for something that Lego is clearly
overlooking; I am against it as a whole, but really, can you blame third party
sellers for capitalizing on the opportunity? If Lego won't stop it, then
why should anyone else care?
It's a slippery slope
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 11:46 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | It's coming from within Lego factories, I don't care how hard people
want to cope & say it isn't - even Lego Customer Service states there are
measures in place to prevent this, but it's clearly ineffective as it's
prevalent and continues to be an issue to this day
If employees are able to use Lego factory equipment & resources to make these
transparent minifigures/parts in random colours, then they're just as easily
able to acquire other minifigures that belong in sets
You can't honestly blame the sellers on BL for something that Lego is clearly
overlooking; I am against it as a whole, but really, can you blame third party
sellers for capitalizing on the opportunity? If Lego won't stop it, then
why should anyone else care?
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That is not what the email was about. The email stated:
These are known to have been made using genuine LEGO elements with after-market
(custom) printing.
To make that statement, bricklink presumably has evidence that these are not
made/printed in LEGO factories and stolen but are being printed elsewhere.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | BrickDeals | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 20:53 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, utlf writes:
| | In Help, godfrey writes:
| | In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Just wanted to ask if bricklink recently sent out an email regarding the selling
of minifigures as the entire email is just a bit off
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To be fair, instead of asking Bricklink sellers to police the site, they should
have cracked down on their factories. Folks are obviously misuse (abuse) as factory
employees to print or produce in either rare colors or rare prints. That's
on them! Not on the sellers! Especially when sellers don't even know.
Crack down on the employees instead. Haven't us AFOLs paid enough? First
the MSRP hikes (like multiple times within the last few years). Now this...asking
AFOLs to pay the ultimate cost (store shutdowns, revoke of minifigure listings)
for what is essentially their own employees abusing the system/their privilege.
Even if they shut down Bricklink, I'm sure their employees will continue
to list these counterfeits through other sites like brickowl or ebay. so what's
the point of shutting down AFOLs?
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This, 100%
It's coming from within Lego factories, I don't care how hard people
want to cope & say it isn't - even Lego Customer Service states there are
measures in place to prevent this, but it's clearly ineffective as it's
prevalent and continues to be an issue to this day
If employees are able to use Lego factory equipment & resources to make these
transparent minifigures/parts in random colours, then they're just as easily
able to acquire other minifigures that belong in sets
You can't honestly blame the sellers on BL for something that Lego is clearly
overlooking; I am against it as a whole, but really, can you blame third party
sellers for capitalizing on the opportunity? If Lego won't stop it, then
why should anyone else care?
It's a slippery slope
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Without going into too much detail, I agree. As a large purchaser on this site,
I inspect items regularly for counterfeit patterns, including one of the items
listed in the email.
With almost 20 years experience, a knockoff print would be easy for me to identify.
The equipment necessary to create identical prints would be cost prohibitive
for a private party and where exactly are thousands of monochrome torsos and
heads coming from to print onto?
There is large amount of leakage from the Czech and Mexico factories, which the
LEGO Group should address instead of blaming the Bricklink community. If you
live in a low income country and can pocket a month's salary in 5 minutes,
the temptation is pretty high.
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| | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 11:17 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| I’m case anyone dosnt want to read the last 85 messages here’s a quick rundown
Most people agree this is a hot mess right now
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| | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2022 07:14 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | I’m case anyone dosnt want to read the last 85 messages here’s a quick rundown
Most people agree this is a hot mess right now
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The only reason it’s a hot mess, is that demand has outstripped legitimate supply
to the extent the some people can turn a profit by selling counterfeit. TLG has
control over the legitimate supply chain, and could very quickly solve this.
But doing so would yank the rug out from under various sellers, so it’s a catch-22
situation.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2022 08:15 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | The only reason it’s a hot mess, is that demand has outstripped legitimate supply
to the extent the some people can turn a profit by selling counterfeit. TLG has
control over the legitimate supply chain, and could very quickly solve this.
But doing so would yank the rug out from under various sellers, so it’s a catch-22
situation.
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The problem they have is that they have created a monster in the form of the
minifigure. Lots of people collect them now and don't necessarily want the
sets they came in. Yet LEGO want to sell lots of new sets every year and to do
so have to keep coming up with slightly different versions of minifigures to
make them attractive. If they put the same old version of C-3PO into the UCS
Landspeeder that has been around for some years, there wouldn't be the issue
of fakes of C-3PO.
Could LEGO kill off any counterfeit sales by putting the high demand figures
in multiple cheaper sets? Sure. But they'd also damage the sales volume of
the larger sets as minifigure collectors or resellers wouldn't buy the larger
sets.
Of course it is not as black and white as that, and there are still people that
enjoy building LEGO too (luckily!). But while there are large demands for figures
and those figures only appear in large sets, something has to give. Either LEGO
gives in and puts the figures in smaller sets or there will be money to be made
by selling counterfeit (and that is more money than by parting out the sets).
I think (at least for now) that LEGO will tend to chase the money of the big
sets and have to live with counterfeits for sale here and elsewhere, than give
up on the exclusive figures in larger sets. I dread to think what level counterfeit
figures would have to be at to make them change their minds.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2022 08:19 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, yorbrick writes:
| | | | The only reason it’s a hot mess, is that demand has outstripped legitimate supply
to the extent the some people can turn a profit by selling counterfeit. TLG has
control over the legitimate supply chain, and could very quickly solve this.
But doing so would yank the rug out from under various sellers, so it’s a catch-22
situation.
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The problem they have is that they have created a monster in the form of the
minifigure. Lots of people collect them now and don't necessarily want the
sets they came in. Yet LEGO want to sell lots of new sets every year and to do
so have to keep coming up with slightly different versions of minifigures to
make them attractive. If they put the same old version of C-3PO into the UCS
Landspeeder that has been around for some years, there wouldn't be the issue
of fakes of C-3PO.
Could LEGO kill off any counterfeit sales by putting the high demand figures
in multiple cheaper sets? Sure. But they'd also damage the sales volume of
the larger sets as minifigure collectors or resellers wouldn't buy the larger
sets.
Of course it is not as black and white as that, and there are still people that
enjoy building LEGO too (luckily!). But while there are large demands for figures
and those figures only appear in large sets, something has to give. Either LEGO
gives in and puts the figures in smaller sets or there will be money to be made
by selling counterfeit (and that is more money than by parting out the sets).
I think (at least for now) that LEGO will tend to chase the money of the big
sets and have to live with counterfeits for sale here and elsewhere, than give
up on the exclusive figures in larger sets. I dread to think what level counterfeit
figures would have to be at to make them change their minds.
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I think the counterfeit minifigs are probably a bigger threat to Bricklink than
they are to LEGO. It costs LEGO some sale opportunities and they'd like
someone not to be stealing their IP, but they obviously don't think it warrants
changes to their business model to head it off.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | BricksOfFaith | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2022 08:21 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| Just wanted to be able to say I did the 100th reply in an abomination of a thread
thread! 😎 🤣🤣🤣
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2022 08:44 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | I think the counterfeit minifigs are probably a bigger threat to Bricklink than
they are to LEGO. It costs LEGO some sale opportunities and they'd like
someone not to be stealing their IP, but they obviously don't think it warrants
changes to their business model to head it off.
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Very true. It wold be interesting to see how much BL issues with things like
this get passed on to LEGO corporate, but I guess we'll never know that!
If BL is seeing lots of fakes, or lots of stolen or illegitimate items, now that
they are owned by LEGO presumably there is a route for that information to pass
from one to the other, at least more than possible than in the past.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Aug 5, 2022 12:29 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, axaday writes:
| | In Help, yorbrick writes:
| | | | The only reason it’s a hot mess, is that demand has outstripped legitimate supply
to the extent the some people can turn a profit by selling counterfeit. TLG has
control over the legitimate supply chain, and could very quickly solve this.
But doing so would yank the rug out from under various sellers, so it’s a catch-22
situation.
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The problem they have is that they have created a monster in the form of the
minifigure. Lots of people collect them now and don't necessarily want the
sets they came in. Yet LEGO want to sell lots of new sets every year and to do
so have to keep coming up with slightly different versions of minifigures to
make them attractive. If they put the same old version of C-3PO into the UCS
Landspeeder that has been around for some years, there wouldn't be the issue
of fakes of C-3PO.
Could LEGO kill off any counterfeit sales by putting the high demand figures
in multiple cheaper sets? Sure. But they'd also damage the sales volume of
the larger sets as minifigure collectors or resellers wouldn't buy the larger
sets.
Of course it is not as black and white as that, and there are still people that
enjoy building LEGO too (luckily!). But while there are large demands for figures
and those figures only appear in large sets, something has to give. Either LEGO
gives in and puts the figures in smaller sets or there will be money to be made
by selling counterfeit (and that is more money than by parting out the sets).
I think (at least for now) that LEGO will tend to chase the money of the big
sets and have to live with counterfeits for sale here and elsewhere, than give
up on the exclusive figures in larger sets. I dread to think what level counterfeit
figures would have to be at to make them change their minds.
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I think the counterfeit minifigs are probably a bigger threat to Bricklink than
they are to LEGO. It costs LEGO some sale opportunities and they'd like
someone not to be stealing their IP, but they obviously don't think it warrants
changes to their business model to head it off.
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Keep this in mind … TLG owns BL. The various Star Wars themed figures are licensed
by Lucas for TLG to produce in a variety of products they have both agreed upon.
If BL is participating in the sales of counterfeit figs (which are licensed)
then Lucas could conceivably come back at TLG for lack of due diligence. I don’t
think that Lucas would yank the franchise/license, but they may require some
more solid method of authenticating a mini figure is real.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Aug 5, 2022 14:38 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, cosmicray writes:
| | | | I think the counterfeit minifigs are probably a bigger threat to Bricklink than
they are to LEGO. It costs LEGO some sale opportunities and they'd like
someone not to be stealing their IP, but they obviously don't think it warrants
changes to their business model to head it off.
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Keep this in mind … TLG owns BL. The various Star Wars themed figures are licensed
by Lucas for TLG to produce in a variety of products they have both agreed upon.
If BL is participating in the sales of counterfeit figs (which are licensed)
then Lucas could conceivably come back at TLG for lack of due diligence. I don’t
think that Lucas would yank the franchise/license, but they may require some
more solid method of authenticating a mini figure is real.
Nita Rae
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I think is one of the ones we're supposed to be cautious about.
1689 of him have sold on Bricklink in the last 6 months in 600 transactions.
Almost always 1 at a time. About a dozen times it was more than 10. 122 and
172 are unusual amounts for a seller to have, but not impossible at all. These
MIGHT all be legit and it is very likely that the majority are. Those 122 and
172 were quite possibly resold at a higher price right here on Bricklink. There
might have only been 1000 of them.
We are just people, mostly lone hobbyists. I'd love to sell hundreds of
minifigs in a couple months. We worry about it because it undercuts us, makes
people distrust Bricklink, and is cheating. Disney worries about it if it costs
them a lot of money. How much money does Disney lose on this? Let's say
300 of the Luke's sold this year were fakes. He's in one set currently
for sale. It is an expensive set, retailing for $240. If each of those 300
Lukes represents a set that will not be purchased, Lego lost $72,000 in sales.
Disney maybe gets royalties per set. Maybe they lost $3000?
It is definitely worth writing a cease and desist letter here and there and it
is definitely worth looking at possible policy solutions, but it is not worth
hiring a lawyer and it is not worth giving up a lucrative license deal.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | George_Lucy | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2022 08:26 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| What if Lego put limits on how many of a certain figure you could list every
30 days. Maybe not on all figs but certain ones. The only way to stop people
from making fakes is to cut of the ability to sell them in large amounts. If
a fig sold 4000 times on BL is reduced to 300-400 the demand will go away. This
will also increase the value a bit. There is no easy way to stop it.
In Help, yorbrick writes:
| | | | The only reason it’s a hot mess, is that demand has outstripped legitimate supply
to the extent the some people can turn a profit by selling counterfeit. TLG has
control over the legitimate supply chain, and could very quickly solve this.
But doing so would yank the rug out from under various sellers, so it’s a catch-22
situation.
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The problem they have is that they have created a monster in the form of the
minifigure. Lots of people collect them now and don't necessarily want the
sets they came in. Yet LEGO want to sell lots of new sets every year and to do
so have to keep coming up with slightly different versions of minifigures to
make them attractive. If they put the same old version of C-3PO into the UCS
Landspeeder that has been around for some years, there wouldn't be the issue
of fakes of C-3PO.
Could LEGO kill off any counterfeit sales by putting the high demand figures
in multiple cheaper sets? Sure. But they'd also damage the sales volume of
the larger sets as minifigure collectors or resellers wouldn't buy the larger
sets.
Of course it is not as black and white as that, and there are still people that
enjoy building LEGO too (luckily!). But while there are large demands for figures
and those figures only appear in large sets, something has to give. Either LEGO
gives in and puts the figures in smaller sets or there will be money to be made
by selling counterfeit (and that is more money than by parting out the sets).
I think (at least for now) that LEGO will tend to chase the money of the big
sets and have to live with counterfeits for sale here and elsewhere, than give
up on the exclusive figures in larger sets. I dread to think what level counterfeit
figures would have to be at to make them change their minds.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2022 08:55 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, George_Lucy writes:
| | What if Lego put limits on how many of a certain figure you could list every
30 days. Maybe not on all figs but certain ones. The only way to stop people
from making fakes is to cut of the ability to sell them in large amounts. If
a fig sold 4000 times on BL is reduced to 300-400 the demand will go away. This
will also increase the value a bit. There is no easy way to stop it.
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I guess they could, but that doesn't stop the same seller selling the same
item in multiple places or having multiple accounts under other names. From what
I have seen on some facebook groups, deals for very large quantities of figures
seem to get discussed there.
It would also hit high volume sellers of things like CMFs or cheap figures from
cheap sets, unless the limits were placed on specific figures only.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2022 09:05 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, yorbrick writes:
| | In Help, George_Lucy writes:
| | What if Lego put limits on how many of a certain figure you could list every
30 days. Maybe not on all figs but certain ones. The only way to stop people
from making fakes is to cut of the ability to sell them in large amounts. If
a fig sold 4000 times on BL is reduced to 300-400 the demand will go away. This
will also increase the value a bit. There is no easy way to stop it.
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I guess they could, but that doesn't stop the same seller selling the same
item in multiple places or having multiple accounts under other names. From what
I have seen on some facebook groups, deals for very large quantities of figures
seem to get discussed there.
It would also hit high volume sellers of things like CMFs or cheap figures from
cheap sets, unless the limits were placed on specific figures only.
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I think the epidemic on Bricklink, where sales are tracked transparently, is
surely a sliver compared to eBay. It probably wouldn't take a lot of disincentive
to drive the fakers totally to eBay. It wouldn't solve the root issue, but
it would make it not Bricklink's problem.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2022 10:01 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | I think the epidemic on Bricklink, where sales are tracked transparently, is
surely a sliver compared to eBay. It probably wouldn't take a lot of disincentive
to drive the fakers totally to eBay. It wouldn't solve the root issue, but
it would make it not Bricklink's problem.
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The problem is that if it is on one site, then it is on every site. BL can try
to root out all fakes (if they are fakes), but they will still come here. Maybe
different sellers and maybe in different numbers per seller, but they will still
be here.
If ebay was known to be full of (indistinguishable) fakes and bricklink was assumed
to be clean, then prices here would be higher. And so people would buy on ebay
and sell here. And so BL would not be as clean as thought. It wouldn't have
the 1000+ qty rare figure sellers, but the problem would still be here.
If I listed a C-3PO today, would BL believe it was genuine or not? I could have
bought a (very good, custom printed) fake from eBay or I could have got it from
a set. I could have even bought it from a BL seller in the past and decided to
sell it on. If it looks indistinguishable from a genuine LEGO one, enough to
fool me and to fool the buyer, then nobody will know. Would it even be a problem
then? What if I did it five times. Or 10. Or 50. How many would an individual
need to sell for it to be a problem. And if that is ever answered, then sellers
know exactly how many illegitimate ones they can sell pretending they are real
before the warning light comes on.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2022 10:09 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, yorbrick writes:
| | | | I think the epidemic on Bricklink, where sales are tracked transparently, is
surely a sliver compared to eBay. It probably wouldn't take a lot of disincentive
to drive the fakers totally to eBay. It wouldn't solve the root issue, but
it would make it not Bricklink's problem.
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The problem is that if it is on one site, then it is on every site. BL can try
to root out all fakes (if they are fakes), but they will still come here. Maybe
different sellers and maybe in different numbers per seller, but they will still
be here.
If ebay was known to be full of (indistinguishable) fakes and bricklink was assumed
to be clean, then prices here would be higher. And so people would buy on ebay
and sell here. And so BL would not be as clean as thought. It wouldn't have
the 1000+ qty rare figure sellers, but the problem would still be here.
If I listed a C-3PO today, would BL believe it was genuine or not? I could have
bought a (very good, custom printed) fake from eBay or I could have got it from
a set. I could have even bought it from a BL seller in the past and decided to
sell it on. If it looks indistinguishable from a genuine LEGO one, enough to
fool me and to fool the buyer, then nobody will know. Would it even be a problem
then? What if I did it five times. Or 10. Or 50. How many would an individual
need to sell for it to be a problem. And if that is ever answered, then sellers
know exactly how many illegitimate ones they can sell pretending they are real
before the warning light comes on.
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Yeah, unless you can get the factories shut down, they fakes are gonna get made
and they will be sold here, even if unwittingly. I really don't think there
is anything Bricklink can do about that. They are a tiny part of marketplace
for these. eBay and Amazon sell a lot more of them. So nothing Bricklink does
will affect the producers.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2022 12:20 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2022 12:57 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| I appreciate the following:
a) Bricklink has identified a problem with counterfeit minifigures on the site.
(Something that is a threat to all sellers and buyers)
b) Bricklink communicated with all sellers warning about the existence of the
counterfeits.
c) Bricklink solicited the help of the Bricklink community to help clear out
the counterfeits.
d) Bricklink supplied details to help community members identify possible counterfeits.
e) Bricklink described action they are currently taking, and action they may
yet take.
Thank you Bricklink admins and staff for taking this problem of counterfeit minifigs
seriously, and taking action, and involving the Bricklink community.
I don't appreciate some of the unhinged conspiracy theories, negativity,
and whining in the forum. Perhaps Bricklink's messaging did cause concerns,
but I'm positive that if they had not taken these steps, people would be
complaining about that.
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| | | | | Author: | ChopperBricks | | Posted: | Aug 5, 2022 18:25 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink email? is it real? | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| I know someone on Instagram who was selling dozens of that C3PO, before it was
even released. He's known to be selling stuff from the Mexican factory, wouldnt
be surprised if this is where these are from.
Bricklink saying there are fake C3POs going around is absurd, how would they
replicate the double molded leg, and the notoriously difficult to produce arm
prints? These figures, while not official as in authorized, are definetly made
by Lego printers on real Lego parts. This is Lego's issue...
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