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Hi all,

just read the posts regarding a store with a lot of rare figs and what triggered
that (respectful apologies posted by several members; thanks for that!).

Could we be less active acusing/thinking/insinuating etc. and leave the research
to the business part of BrickLink?

And start a petition to implement real rules about investigating stores etc.?

Off building, that's way more fun

StarBrick
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In General, StarBrick writes:
  Hi all,

just read the posts regarding a store with a lot of rare figs and what triggered
that (respectful apologies posted by several members; thanks for that!).

Could we be less active acusing/thinking/insinuating etc. and leave the research
to the business part of BrickLink?

And start a petition to implement real rules about investigating stores etc.?

Off building, that's way more fun

StarBrick

And now there is a post speculating on the extent of fraud, when none is proven.
That whole thread should be pulled.
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It already is in the forum rules, i would say rule 2 isnt enforced that well,
i have seen quite a few and they could be just an upset one sided perspective.
Rule 1 is a lose interpretation of being kind and respectful.

Discussion Forum Rules
Be respectful of others. We don't want to discourage banter or healthy debate.
However, hostile or insulting messages aimed at other users, BrickLink, or its
employees are not acceptable.
Avoid libel or unfounded statements as they can be harmful to both our users
and the site as a whole. This includes concerns about scams.

In General, StarBrick writes:
  Hi all,

just read the posts regarding a store with a lot of rare figs and what triggered
that (respectful apologies posted by several members; thanks for that!).

Could we be less active acusing/thinking/insinuating etc. and leave the research
to the business part of BrickLink?

And start a petition to implement real rules about investigating stores etc.?

Off building, that's way more fun

StarBrick
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  Avoid libel or unfounded statements as they can be harmful to both our users
and the site as a whole. This includes concerns about scams.

It has been very harmful to the seller identified since their store has been
suspended due to the accusations made in the forum.
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  
  Avoid libel or unfounded statements as they can be harmful to both our users
and the site as a whole. This includes concerns about scams.

It has been very harmful to the seller identified since their store has been
suspended due to the accusations made in the forum.

I was just thinking, that if a listing is deemed suspicious, it should be possible
to suspend that individual listing while an investigation is being done, instead
of suspending the whole store. If the listing turns out to be illicit then the
store can be suspended; if not, then it (the listing) can be restored.
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In General, peregrinator writes:
  In General, yorbrick writes:
  
  Avoid libel or unfounded statements as they can be harmful to both our users
and the site as a whole. This includes concerns about scams.

It has been very harmful to the seller identified since their store has been
suspended due to the accusations made in the forum.

I was just thinking, that if a listing is deemed suspicious, it should be possible
to suspend that individual listing while an investigation is being done, instead
of suspending the whole store. If the listing turns out to be illicit then the
store can be suspended; if not, then it (the listing) can be restored.

+10 That's how it should be done!
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I accept that you had filed a petition for suspicious activity, and BrickLink
did not contact me and they suspended my store for preventive action, so I was
charged and found guilty based on assumptions and no one even wants to hear my
side of the story. (Day 18 of suspension).

In General, utlf writes:
  In General, yorbrick writes:
  
  Avoid libel or unfounded statements as they can be harmful to both our users
and the site as a whole. This includes concerns about scams.

It has been very harmful to the seller identified since their store has been
suspended due to the accusations made in the forum.

Once again, as I've stated, a formal report was filed and Bricklink took
action based on that. It wasn't the forum post, as nothing happened until
I filed the form to Bricklink Admins.
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In General, ZorBeast writes:
  It already is in the forum rules, i would say rule 2 isnt enforced that well,
i have seen quite a few and they could be just an upset one sided perspective.
Rule 1 is a lose interpretation of being kind and respectful.


Thank you for pointing out to that; it is correct and I try to abide by them.

However, the 'store suspension' procedure should be more clear and transparent.
And only, ONLY, be part of the BL-staff.

The store owner is business wise and personally hurt by the actions taken, based
on the forum posts. That's not how it should be, and not how we are supposed
to act as members of this community.
That hurts even more than this store and store owner.
That hurts the entire community. That's what bothers me most.

StarBrick
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Thanks keyboard warrior for keeping your nose in other people's business
and making sure Bricklink is safe from too many parts!
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Couldn't find a pitchfork, so I'll just engrave this on utlf's tombstone:

- Lego gave its blessing to BrickLink and put chrome gold in its pockets

- BrickLink helped to stop unauthorized factory distribution and counterfeits

- utlf spotlighted a listing due to unusual parting out *discrepancies*

- Some agreed that it was suspicious, others opined that the market was diverse

- bommibrick, like most of the community, did not see the post

- Admin noticed the discussion and decided to take preventative action

- BrickLink closed their store to investigate suspicious activity

- bommibrick disclosed a 1mil+ joint investment into Lego

- The volume of projected inventory, to this day, exceeds general understanding
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In General, utlf writes:
  In General, cycbuild writes:
A friend of mine sent me this the other day, came across the post on a FB group;
would really like to know how these sellers can acquire such high amounts of
exclusive minifigures that only appear in D2C sets from Lego S@H that have a
limit of 5 per household

I have a plausible theory. Not illegal but I think not ethical too..

Say, 5-10 (you name it) big sellers unite and buy the same sets but share the
exclusive pieces among themselves. With rotation an exclusive fig / part / instructions
/ sticker so on goes to store 1 to store n for each iteration. Same with the
new / exclusive parts. Rest of the bulk parts may be cherry picked or simply
sold in bulk.

This way,
1. They would cut the competition among themselves.
2. Each participant would get the quantity way beyond their initial investment
3. With quantity they would have the opportunity to control the tight market.
(Set the price highest with the highest quantity... those who have only tiny
amount will skew the price to the price of the highest quantity with time)

This may not be the "trade secret" everyone mentioning.. but I think it's
possible this way...
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In General, utlf writes:
  In General, i_r_on writes:
  In General, utlf writes:
  In General, cycbuild writes:
A friend of mine sent me this the other day, came across the post on a FB group;
would really like to know how these sellers can acquire such high amounts of
exclusive minifigures that only appear in D2C sets from Lego S@H that have a
limit of 5 per household

I have a plausible theory. Not illegal but I think not ethical too..

Say, 5-10 (you name it) big sellers unite and buy the same sets but share the
exclusive pieces among themselves. With rotation an exclusive fig / part / instructions
/ sticker so on goes to store 1 to store n for each iteration. Same with the
new / exclusive parts. Rest of the bulk parts may be cherry picked or simply
sold in bulk.

This way,
1. They would cut the competition among themselves.
2. Each participant would get the quantity way beyond their initial investment
3. With quantity they would have the opportunity to control the tight market.
(Set the price highest with the highest quantity... those who have only tiny
amount will skew the price to the price of the highest quantity with time)

This may not be the "trade secret" everyone mentioning.. but I think it's
possible this way...

That would definitely be plausible, but the issue is the notable parts in the
sets don't appear on Bricklink in the quantities that the minifigs do; say,
for Luke's Landspeeder, there aren't 200+ windscreens available in one
store, let alone across the entire catalog

These things are major red flags going overlooked, I don't want to start
the entire discussion up again, so I'll leave this as my final input

Likewise an elaborate new mold fig is up for sale in another site which is not
likely as a work of print. Other exclusive figures from the same set is not available
from the same store.

For the non existing 200+ windscreens,

1. Exclusive parts for big desirable sets are good candidates for investment,
maybe they were never meant to be sold from day 1
2. They would be directly consumed/sold outside of Bricklink if there is also
a consuming party in this scheme

Same with some of the minifigures, some parties may choose to keep them a certain
time before they want to sell...
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Did it ever occur to you that maybe the seller is sitting on them for a rainy
day. I am sitting on pieces for over a decade. I have enough pieces to make many
monorail sets tracks motors tiles windscreens complete sets and so on. To assume
that because someone doesn’t have the pieces on BL is a problem makes no sense.
Maybe the seller just removed the figs and sold the pieces to someone who has
not sorted them out yet. I have a lot of sets and pieces I buy and hold as an
investment, in my opinion the right figs, pieces or sets are better than most
stocks.


In General, utlf writes:
  In General, i_r_on writes:
  In General, utlf writes:
  In General, cycbuild writes:
A friend of mine sent me this the other day, came across the post on a FB group;
would really like to know how these sellers can acquire such high amounts of
exclusive minifigures that only appear in D2C sets from Lego S@H that have a
limit of 5 per household

I have a plausible theory. Not illegal but I think not ethical too..

Say, 5-10 (you name it) big sellers unite and buy the same sets but share the
exclusive pieces among themselves. With rotation an exclusive fig / part / instructions
/ sticker so on goes to store 1 to store n for each iteration. Same with the
new / exclusive parts. Rest of the bulk parts may be cherry picked or simply
sold in bulk.

This way,
1. They would cut the competition among themselves.
2. Each participant would get the quantity way beyond their initial investment
3. With quantity they would have the opportunity to control the tight market.
(Set the price highest with the highest quantity... those who have only tiny
amount will skew the price to the price of the highest quantity with time)

This may not be the "trade secret" everyone mentioning.. but I think it's
possible this way...

That would definitely be plausible, but the issue is the notable parts in the
sets don't appear on Bricklink in the quantities that the minifigs do; say,
for Luke's Landspeeder, there aren't 200+ windscreens available in one
store, let alone across the entire catalog

These things are major red flags going overlooked, I don't want to start
the entire discussion up again, so I'll leave this as my final input
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  in my opinion the right figs, pieces or sets are better than most
stocks.

+1 I also have more faith in actual goods as investments as opposed to strait
up financial investments that don't have physical goods backing them (although
I still do have some)
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  That would definitely be plausible, but the issue is the notable parts in the
sets don't appear on Bricklink in the quantities that the minifigs do; say,
for Luke's Landspeeder, there aren't 200+ windscreens available in one
store, let alone across the entire catalog

These things are major red flags going overlooked, I don't want to start
the entire discussion up again, so I'll leave this as my final input

Where are all the parts and figures that would have been in the sets that your
new Dooku lightsaber hilts came from? The same with the 145 SW jetpacks you have
without the other parts or figures? Did you buy 145 copies of 75250 and lose
the rest?

If you can have hard to find pieces in large quantities (more than a few sets
worth) without the other parts from the set, why can't others?
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  Oh, and before anyone can argue that the sellers could have bought them off of
Bricklink too, here's the last 6 months sold vs the ones currently available
on the market
Really activates the almonds, how could 2 sellers acquire ~200+ of these within
2 months if only 315 have been sold on Bricklink???? 629 currently available,
and 2 sellers make up over half of the available quantities.

Large deals are not always done through bricklink, especially where the seller
and buyer know each other. If a group of sellers are buying large volumes of
sets and drafting parts for their stores, they are not going to pay BL fees,
paypal fees and sales tax by publicly buying/selling them. Not every secondary
market sale goes through BL, or other public sites.

Even small stores do that. I know someone that sells the builds from sets minus
minifigs and weapons etc on ebay as he shares purchases with another couple of
guys that just sell minifigures. None of those parts drafting sales appear on
bricklink, there is no reason to pay BL and PayPal fees.
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So, uh, lovely weather we've been having lately…

In General, utlf writes:
  In General, yorbrick writes:
  
  Oh, and before anyone can argue that the sellers could have bought them off of
Bricklink too, here's the last 6 months sold vs the ones currently available
on the market
Really activates the almonds, how could 2 sellers acquire ~200+ of these within
2 months if only 315 have been sold on Bricklink???? 629 currently available,
and 2 sellers make up over half of the available quantities.

Large deals are not always done through bricklink, especially where the seller
and buyer know each other. If a group of sellers are buying large volumes of
sets and drafting parts for their stores, they are not going to pay BL fees,
paypal fees and sales tax by publicly buying/selling them. Not every secondary
market sale goes through BL, or other public sites.

Even small stores do that. I know someone that sells the builds from sets minus
minifigs and weapons etc on ebay as he shares purchases with another couple of
guys that just sell minifigures. None of those parts drafting sales appear on
bricklink, there is no reason to pay BL and PayPal fees.

Yeah, but how are they acquiring these sets?
S@H limit for the UCS Landspeeder is 5 per household, and not everyone has a
physical Lego store near them

For simplicity's sake, it would work out like this:
To acquire 200 C-3PO minifigures from the UCS Landspeeder, you would, at the
very minimum, need 40 individuals at 40 different addresses to order 5 UCS Landspeeders
each (5 limit x 40 people = 200 sets)

On top of that, you would then need everyone to agree to who gets what; let's
say 20 of those 40 people are family or relatives of the 20 sellers; they get
them to order 5 for them, and then pay them to cover the cost of the sets; that
would mean 20 sellers are getting 10 UCS Landspeeders each, amounting to a total
of $40,000 USD (each seller puts out roughly $2,000 USD each)

Arguably, the only true bread and butter/guaranteed-to-sell part of Lego sets
are the minifigures, so it wouldn't be fair for one seller to get all 200
exclusive minifigures from the set - that would lead to the other sellers losing
money on the purchases, leaving the 19 other sellers scraping up the scraps and
trying to salvage the best parts to get their money back

On top of this, 2 sellers from different countries in different continents would
have had to do the exact same thing in order to acquire ~200 C-3PO minifigures

It logistically doesn't make sense, especially because these Landspeeder
sets are currently only available through Lego, and not other retailers such
as amazon, so it's unlikely Lego would send out more than 5 to a 3rd party
seller at this point in time.
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  For simplicity's sake, it would work out like this:
To acquire 200 C-3PO minifigures from the UCS Landspeeder, you would, at the
very minimum, need 40 individuals at 40 different addresses to order 5 UCS Landspeeders
each (5 limit x 40 people = 200 sets)

You are going for simplicity. If it was simple, everyone would do the same thing.
That is why prices are often low for sets just after retirement since many people
including those not into lego buy one or two of each modular or UCS set. That
is why high volume sellers come up with non-simplistic routes to get stock, as
they have to compete with large numbers of low volume sellers.

It wouldn't surprise me if C-3PO's value falls a bit in future. Hence
these sellers hit the market fast at the high initial prices.

  On top of that, you would then need everyone to agree to who gets what; let's
say 20 of those 40 people are family or relatives of the 20 sellers; they get
them to order 5 for them, and then pay them to cover the cost of the sets; that
would mean 20 sellers are getting 10 UCS Landspeeders each, amounting to a total
of $40,000 USD (each seller puts out roughly $2,000 USD each)

I can hit five stores near me if I drive all day. Four people in a van means
100 sets, if each store has 20 in stock. More if the manager wants to hit sales
targets.

  Arguably, the only true bread and butter/guaranteed-to-sell part of Lego sets
are the minifigures, so it wouldn't be fair for one seller to get all 200
exclusive minifigures from the set - that would lead to the other sellers losing
money on the purchases, leaving the 19 other sellers scraping up the scraps and
trying to salvage the best parts to get their money back

So you are now arguing that the UCS Landspeeder wouldn't sell without minifigures?
In my view, a UCS set not at minifig scale will sell perfectly well without any
figures. For this set, you wouldn't even need to part it out to sell the
parts. Give it a few years and that set without minifigures will be worth more
than RRP with minifigures.

They don't even need to share the parts of the sets. If all four people buy
5x four different sets, the first person gers 20x the set they want, the second
gers 20x what they want, and so on. That way, there is no inequality, they all
get the sets they want in bulk by working together.

  It logistically doesn't make sense, especially because these Landspeeder
sets are currently only available through Lego, and not other retailers such
as amazon, so it's unlikely Lego would send out more than 5 to a 3rd party
seller at this point in time.

See above.
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  
  For simplicity's sake, it would work out like this:
To acquire 200 C-3PO minifigures from the UCS Landspeeder, you would, at the
very minimum, need 40 individuals at 40 different addresses to order 5 UCS Landspeeders
each (5 limit x 40 people = 200 sets)

You are going for simplicity. If it was simple, everyone would do the same thing.
That is why prices are often low for sets just after retirement since many people
including those not into lego buy one or two of each modular or UCS set. That
is why high volume sellers come up with non-simplistic routes to get stock, as
they have to compete with large numbers of low volume sellers.

It wouldn't surprise me if C-3PO's value falls a bit in future. Hence
these sellers hit the market fast at the high initial prices.

  On top of that, you would then need everyone to agree to who gets what; let's
say 20 of those 40 people are family or relatives of the 20 sellers; they get
them to order 5 for them, and then pay them to cover the cost of the sets; that
would mean 20 sellers are getting 10 UCS Landspeeders each, amounting to a total
of $40,000 USD (each seller puts out roughly $2,000 USD each)

I can hit five stores near me if I drive all day. Four people in a van means
100 sets, if each store has 20 in stock. More if the manager wants to hit sales
targets.

  Arguably, the only true bread and butter/guaranteed-to-sell part of Lego sets
are the minifigures, so it wouldn't be fair for one seller to get all 200
exclusive minifigures from the set - that would lead to the other sellers losing
money on the purchases, leaving the 19 other sellers scraping up the scraps and
trying to salvage the best parts to get their money back

So you are now arguing that the UCS Landspeeder wouldn't sell without minifigures?
In my view, a UCS set not at minifig scale will sell perfectly well without any
figures. For this set, you wouldn't even need to part it out to sell the
parts. Give it a few years and that set without minifigures will be worth more
than RRP with minifigures.

They don't even need to share the parts of the sets. If all four people buy
5x four different sets, the first person gers 20x the set they want, the second
gers 20x what they want, and so on. That way, there is no inequality, they all
get the sets they want in bulk by working together.

  It logistically doesn't make sense, especially because these Landspeeder
sets are currently only available through Lego, and not other retailers such
as amazon, so it's unlikely Lego would send out more than 5 to a 3rd party
seller at this point in time.

See above.
 
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  A friend of mine sent me this the other day, came across the post on a FB group;
would really like to know how these sellers can acquire such high amounts of
exclusive minifigures that only appear in D2C sets from Lego S@H that have a
limit of 5 per household

So you apologized but then... restart?
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In General, 1001bricks writes:
  
  A friend of mine sent me this the other day, came across the post on a FB group;
would really like to know how these sellers can acquire such high amounts of
exclusive minifigures that only appear in D2C sets from Lego S@H that have a
limit of 5 per household

So you apologized but then... restart?


I think they are jealous. They want good, popular minifigs as well.

To me, it feels like they are not willing to do the work themselves to help build
their business on this platform, but to tear everyone else down to their level
so it feels fair to them.

Newsflash, life and especially business are not inherently fair.

If utlf has proof, go to Bricklink admin, otherwise, please stop trowing monkey
poo all over our forum. It is rude and distasteful.

I am getting so tired of these threads. (I know by commenting, I am perpetuating
it, so this will be my one and only comment on this thread.)

Sincere regards,
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In General, utlf writes:
  A friend of mine sent me this the other day, came across the post on a FB group;
would really like to know how these sellers can acquire such high amounts of
exclusive minifigures that only appear in D2C sets from Lego S@H that have a
limit of 5 per household

None of their buyers have complained about fakes, if that means anything.

(They did have a complaint about a scratch, but their other Neutral is "Received
quickly and properly packaged. Thank you _!")

I don't know man. My only opinion is that Lego makes more parts than they
know what to do with, and the excess in distribution and retail is an opportunity
for resellers.
 
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A friend of mine sent me this the other day, came across the post on a FB group;
would really like to know how these sellers can acquire such high amounts of
exclusive minifigures that only appear in D2C sets from Lego S@H that have a
limit of 5 per household

The 75341 is not a LEGO S@H exclusive set. The shops that have that set in their
assortment does not order 5 sets; they order 5 pallets. Or more.
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In General, utlf writes:
  In General, helge writes:
  
  
A friend of mine sent me this the other day, came across the post on a FB group;
would really like to know how these sellers can acquire such high amounts of
exclusive minifigures that only appear in D2C sets from Lego S@H that have a
limit of 5 per household

The 75341 is not a LEGO S@H exclusive set. The shops that have that set in their
assortment does not order 5 sets; they order 5 pallets. Or more.

The set is a D2C set exclusive to Lego S@H and Lego Stores, a customer can't
go in and purchase more than 5 at a time, let alone 200

As I said the 75341 is NOT a LEGO S@H exclusive set. There are toy stores that
can order them directly from LEGO. Sometimes they even get pre-release access
to "exclusive" sets like this. (though I do not know if this were the case with
this particular set)

But I guess you will keep insist that you are right and everybody else are wrong,
and keep refusing to learn anything new, so I not sure why I waste my time answering
you...
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In General, StarBrick writes:
  Hi all,

just read the posts regarding a store with a lot of rare figs and what triggered
that (respectful apologies posted by several members; thanks for that!).

Could we be less active acusing/thinking/insinuating etc. and leave the research
to the business part of BrickLink?

And start a petition to implement real rules about investigating stores etc.?

Off building, that's way more fun

StarBrick

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Suspicious listings can and should be reported here: https://www.bricklink.com/problemInventory.asp
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  Thread is canceled.
Admin is looking into it.

Suspicious listings can and should be reported here: https://www.bricklink.com/problemInventory.asp

Next time such a question about how sellers get so much stock is asked here (whether
an individual store is identified or not), maybe the simplest solution is to
immediately lock the thread but also point the person to that page saying that
they can report their suspicions there.
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In General, StarBrick writes:
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  Could we be less active acusing/thinking/insinuating etc. and leave the research
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StarBrick

just a quick question..

-- what type of 'active thinking' should we be doing less of...
you mean like Questions...?
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  Could we be less active acusing/thinking/insinuating etc. and leave the research
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This is a highly suspect wish. I'll have to check your Shop!
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In General, StarBrick writes:
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+1 zillion

Be kind, mind your own business and have fun!
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In General, gogogovro writes:
  In General, StarBrick writes:
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+1 zillion

Be kind, mind your own business and have fun!

I don't know... I've heard of people having metric tons of Mustard.
Nowadays, that's very abnormal
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Hmmm at least you have proof of mustard.
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I did not mean to offend anyone as said it because Nub's made a joke about
having receipts.
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In General, 1001bricks writes:
  In General, gogogovro writes:
  In General, StarBrick writes:
  Could we be less active acusing/thinking/insinuating etc. and leave the research
to the business part of BrickLink?

+1 zillion

Be kind, mind your own business and have fun!

I don't know... I've heard of people having metric tons of Mustard.
Nowadays, that's very abnormal

According to Google, zillion translates in French to "des tas de".
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  I don't know... I've heard of people having metric tons of Mustard.
Nowadays, that's very abnormal

What can I say? I like mustard and I make lots of sandwiches.
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  I don't know... I've heard of people having metric tons of Mustard.
Nowadays, that's very abnormal

I have the store receipts! I can prove that it was obtained legally!
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In General, gogogovro writes:
  In General, StarBrick writes:
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+1 zillion

Be kind, mind your own business and have fun!

+1
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In General, gogogovro writes:
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+1 zillion

Be kind, mind your own business and have fun!

technically, if everyone was minding their own business, no one would have reported
the issue in the 1st place..

isn't "reporting things" contradictory to 'minding your own business"..

i guess thankfully someone didn't mind their own business & asked " why does
this seller have 1,000 Joker's"...