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| | | Author: | normann1974  | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 12:24 | | Subject: | Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 157 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | | For: | Catalog Associate | | Status: | Completed | |
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This part and its stickered/printed variants are not really rectangular. They
are (irregular) octagonal. Please rename these parts, it's hard to find them
based on their current name.
/Jan
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 15:48 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
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This part and its stickered/printed variants are not really rectangular. They
are (irregular) octagonal. Please rename these parts, it's hard to find them
based on their current name.
/Jan
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Hi Jan!
Since you brought this up, I would like to give you the opportunity to choose
which one you would like:
- "Rectangular Octagon"
or
- "Octagonal Rectangle"
Or we could go a different route and name them:
- "Rectangular with Cut Corners"
I think it is important that we leave some reference to the rectangle.
Any others with thoughts?
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | Beebs | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 15:53 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| Another idea..."Rectangular with Cut Corners (Octagon)"
In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
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This part and its stickered/printed variants are not really rectangular. They
are (irregular) octagonal. Please rename these parts, it's hard to find them
based on their current name.
/Jan
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Hi Jan!
Since you brought this up, I would like to give you the opportunity to choose
which one you would like:
- "Rectangular Octagon"
or
- "Octagonal Rectangle"
Or we could go a different route and name them:
- "Rectangular with Cut Corners"
I think it is important that we leave some reference to the rectangle.
Any others with thoughts?
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 15:57 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | Or we could go a different route and name them:
- "Rectangular with Cut Corners"
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"Rectangular with Cut Corners (Oblong Octagonal)"
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 16:31 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | Or we could go a different route and name them:
- "Rectangular with Cut Corners"
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"Rectangular with Cut Corners (Oblong Octagonal)"
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Or an elipse with various and different straight sides?
Going to be complicated...
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | IceWorm | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 19:51 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | Or we could go a different route and name them:
- "Rectangular with Cut Corners"
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"Rectangular with Cut Corners (Oblong Octagonal)"
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I like this idea, but doesn't the search functionality only work if you're
specific. So if I put "Octagon" in the search bar, the shield won't show
up unless I add the "al", right?
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| | | | | | | Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 16:30 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
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This part and its stickered/printed variants are not really rectangular. They
are (irregular) octagonal. Please rename these parts, it's hard to find them
based on their current name.
/Jan
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Hi Jan!
Since you brought this up, I would like to give you the opportunity to choose
which one you would like:
- "Rectangular Octagon"
or
- "Octagonal Rectangle"
Or we could go a different route and name them:
- "Rectangular with Cut Corners"
I think it is important that we leave some reference to the rectangle.
Any others with thoughts?
Cheers,
Randy
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I don't really care as long as the word "octagon" or "octagonal" is in the
name. That's what I searched for and didn't find what I wanted.
/Jan
BTW - You will for sure find some people annoyed if using "octagonal rectangle"
or "rectangular octagon". The names are self-contradictory.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Dino | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 16:44 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
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This part and its stickered/printed variants are not really rectangular. They
are (irregular) octagonal. Please rename these parts, it's hard to find them
based on their current name.
/Jan
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Hi Jan!
Since you brought this up, I would like to give you the opportunity to choose
which one you would like:
- "Rectangular Octagon"
or
- "Octagonal Rectangle"
Or we could go a different route and name them:
- "Rectangular with Cut Corners"
I think it is important that we leave some reference to the rectangle.
Any others with thoughts?
Cheers,
Randy
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I don't really care as long as the word "octagon" or "octagonal" is in the
name. That's what I searched for and didn't find what I wanted.
/Jan
BTW - You will for sure find some people annoyed if using "octagonal rectangle"
or "rectangular octagon". The names are self-contradictory.
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This part is an octagon. Nothing else.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 17:11 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
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This part and its stickered/printed variants are not really rectangular. They
are (irregular) octagonal. Please rename these parts, it's hard to find them
based on their current name.
/Jan
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Hi Jan!
Since you brought this up, I would like to give you the opportunity to choose
which one you would like:
- "Rectangular Octagon"
or
- "Octagonal Rectangle"
Or we could go a different route and name them:
- "Rectangular with Cut Corners"
I think it is important that we leave some reference to the rectangle.
Any others with thoughts?
Cheers,
Randy
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I don't really care as long as the word "octagon" or "octagonal" is in the
name. That's what I searched for and didn't find what I wanted.
/Jan
BTW - You will for sure find some people annoyed if using "octagonal rectangle"
or "rectangular octagon". The names are self-contradictory.
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This part is an octagon. Nothing else.
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Since two sides are longer than the other 6, which is different than the octagon
that everyone pictures when they hear that word, I see no problem with "rectangular
octagon"
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Dino | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 18:34 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Dino | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 18:52 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, firestar246 writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
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This part and its stickered/printed variants are not really rectangular. They
are (irregular) octagonal. Please rename these parts, it's hard to find them
based on their current name.
/Jan
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Hi Jan!
Since you brought this up, I would like to give you the opportunity to choose
which one you would like:
- "Rectangular Octagon"
or
- "Octagonal Rectangle"
Or we could go a different route and name them:
- "Rectangular with Cut Corners"
I think it is important that we leave some reference to the rectangle.
Any others with thoughts?
Cheers,
Randy
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I don't really care as long as the word "octagon" or "octagonal" is in the
name. That's what I searched for and didn't find what I wanted.
/Jan
BTW - You will for sure find some people annoyed if using "octagonal rectangle"
or "rectangular octagon". The names are self-contradictory.
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This part is an octagon. Nothing else.
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Since two sides are longer than the other 6, which is different than the octagon
that everyone pictures when they hear that word, I see no problem with "rectangular
octagon"
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Octagon says nothing about the length of the sides. Only that there are 8 corners.
In German, an octagon with 5 equal sides is a "regular" octagon.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 19:15 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| | | | | | | | | This part is an octagon. Nothing else.
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Since two sides are longer than the other 6, which is different than the octagon
that everyone pictures when they hear that word, I see no problem with "rectangular
octagon"
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Octagon says nothing about the length of the sides. Only that there are 8 corners.
In German, an octagon with 5 equal sides is a "regular" octagon.
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It seems I agree with the Dino.
"In geometry, an octagon (from the Greek ὀκτάγωνον oktágōnon, "eight angles")
is an eight-sided polygon or 8-gon."
Wikipedia.
So, this is an Octagon.
This isn't a Regular Octagon - which is the one we always call Octagon, but
it's an error.
Regular version:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octagon#/media/File:Regular_polygon_8_annotated.svg
Then, should the Catalog be easy or exact, this is another problem...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | IceWorm | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 20:03 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | | | | | This part is an octagon. Nothing else.
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Since two sides are longer than the other 6, which is different than the octagon
that everyone pictures when they hear that word, I see no problem with "rectangular
octagon"
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Octagon says nothing about the length of the sides. Only that there are 8 corners.
In German, an octagon with 5 equal sides is a "regular" octagon.
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It seems I agree with the Dino.
"In geometry, an octagon (from the Greek ὀκτάγωνον oktágōnon, "eight angles")
is an eight-sided polygon or 8-gon."
Wikipedia.
So, this is an Octagon.
This isn't a Regular Octagon - which is the one we always call Octagon, but
it's an error.
Regular version:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octagon#/media/File:Regular_polygon_8_annotated.svg
Then, should the Catalog be easy or exact, this is another problem...
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But we are dealing with a situation where people aren't necessarily shape
savants lol, so someone might go, "uh, it's a kinda rectangular shape, but
the corners are angled?". Octagon should be in there, but the catalogue should
be designed around key terms people are likely to use based on common association.
It might not be right, but unfortunately we can't poll everyone who's
ever looked for this piece and ask them so we do have to use generalistic terms
to help those that don’t jump to the octagon even if that may seem right to us
haha. 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 20:20 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, IceWorm writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | | | | | This part is an octagon. Nothing else.
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Since two sides are longer than the other 6, which is different than the octagon
that everyone pictures when they hear that word, I see no problem with "rectangular
octagon"
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Octagon says nothing about the length of the sides. Only that there are 8 corners.
In German, an octagon with 5 equal sides is a "regular" octagon.
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It seems I agree with the Dino.
"In geometry, an octagon (from the Greek ὀκτάγωνον oktágōnon, "eight angles")
is an eight-sided polygon or 8-gon."
Wikipedia.
So, this is an Octagon.
This isn't a Regular Octagon - which is the one we always call Octagon, but
it's an error.
Regular version:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octagon#/media/File:Regular_polygon_8_annotated.svg
Then, should the Catalog be easy or exact, this is another problem...
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But we are dealing with a situation where people aren't necessarily shape
savants lol, so someone might go, "uh, it's a kinda rectangular shape, but
the corners are angled?". Octagon should be in there, but the catalogue should
be designed around key terms people are likely to use based on common association.
It might not be right, but unfortunately we can't poll everyone who's
ever looked for this piece and ask them so we do have to use generalistic terms
to help those that don’t jump to the octagon even if that may seem right to us
haha.
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This. The catalog should cater to both being technical and being easy to navigate.
If lots of folks see this and think "rectangle" rather than octagon, then I say
"rectangular octagon" will help both the technical minded and not to find it
easily.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 21:09 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2022 05:38 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| | | Octagon says nothing about the length of the sides. Only that there are 8 corners.
In German, an octagon with 5 equal sides is a "regular" octagon.
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When I was at school, a regular n-polyhedron had n equal sides AND n equal angles
(for n greater than 3, as one implies the other for n=3).
For n greater than 3, you can have equal sides but unequal angles (e.g. a rhombus
is not a square) or equal angles but unequal sides (e.g. a rectangle is not a
square).
But then you have to be careful when counting sides to define the actual shape.
This part looks like a pentagonal interior, but is clearly not pentagonal if
you count all the exterior sides. But then some people may count 12 sides, others
up to 18. If that is pentagonal with spikes added, why is the shield not rectangular
with corners cut?
We also have these irregular hexagons, that are not called hexagons:
I don't think anyone would want those to be called hexagons in the catalogue.
And these close to regular octagonal plates that are called octagonal:
So it would seem that the polyhedron names are used when close to regular and
not when irregular.
But then there are these parts that break that slightly:
The first two are cut triangles but pretty close to hexagons, the third has almost
equal sides but angkles are off but still pretty close, the last one to me is
way off hexagonal but of course the profile has six sides.
Personally, I see the shields as rectangular as opposed to round or oval or
ovoid or triangular, but maybe that is because I know what they are called on
bricklink. Like everything in the catalogue, finding it is simple if you learn
the keywords that are used. I wouldn't go searching for heater shields or
kite shields, as I know those terms are not used here. Plus they are close to
rectangles with cut corners rather than regular octagons.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2022 14:07 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Octagon says nothing about the length of the sides. Only that there are 8 corners.
In German, an octagon with 5 equal sides is a "regular" octagon.
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When I was at school, a regular n-polyhedron had n equal sides AND n equal angles
(for n greater than 3, as one implies the other for n=3).
For n greater than 3, you can have equal sides but unequal angles (e.g. a rhombus
is not a square) or equal angles but unequal sides (e.g. a rectangle is not a
square).
But then you have to be careful when counting sides to define the actual shape.
This part looks like a pentagonal interior, but is clearly not pentagonal if
you count all the exterior sides. But then some people may count 12 sides, others
up to 18. If that is pentagonal with spikes added, why is the shield not rectangular
with corners cut?
We also have these irregular hexagons, that are not called hexagons:
I don't think anyone would want those to be called hexagons in the catalogue.
And these close to regular octagonal plates that are called octagonal:
So it would seem that the polyhedron names are used when close to regular and
not when irregular.
But then there are these parts that break that slightly:
The first two are cut triangles but pretty close to hexagons, the third has almost
equal sides but angkles are off but still pretty close, the last one to me is
way off hexagonal but of course the profile has six sides.
Personally, I see the shields as rectangular as opposed to round or oval or
ovoid or triangular, but maybe that is because I know what they are called on
bricklink. Like everything in the catalogue, finding it is simple if you learn
the keywords that are used. I wouldn't go searching for heater shields or
kite shields, as I know those terms are not used here. Plus they are close to
rectangles with cut corners rather than regular octagons.
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*Excellent* post.
This is exactly the type of stuff that we admins have to think about when dealing
with any change requests. In other words, how does a _single_ change affect what
has come before in the entirety of the catalog. I had only done an overall look
into all of the shield shapes in the catalog, but I had neglected to look beyond
that at how shapes are used throughout other areas of the catalog. I believe
the proposal for the shields is still the right way to go, but it is nice to
have as much information as possible when making a decision.
I will be saving this post for the future as it is a great reminder of the complexity
of things.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2022 14:13 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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rectangles with cut corners rather than regular octagons.
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Agreed on this.
It could be less confusing as Rectangle with 2 Cut Corners (or 3 or Square with
4 Cut Corners) than more or less octogonal...
Then, all those and others should be renamed?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | IceWorm | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 20:05 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, firestar246 writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
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This part and its stickered/printed variants are not really rectangular. They
are (irregular) octagonal. Please rename these parts, it's hard to find them
based on their current name.
/Jan
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Hi Jan!
Since you brought this up, I would like to give you the opportunity to choose
which one you would like:
- "Rectangular Octagon"
or
- "Octagonal Rectangle"
Or we could go a different route and name them:
- "Rectangular with Cut Corners"
I think it is important that we leave some reference to the rectangle.
Any others with thoughts?
Cheers,
Randy
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I don't really care as long as the word "octagon" or "octagonal" is in the
name. That's what I searched for and didn't find what I wanted.
/Jan
BTW - You will for sure find some people annoyed if using "octagonal rectangle"
or "rectangular octagon". The names are self-contradictory.
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This part is an octagon. Nothing else.
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Since two sides are longer than the other 6, which is different than the octagon
that everyone pictures when they hear that word, I see no problem with "rectangular
octagon"
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Agreed, rectangular octagon sounds good even if its not "technically" correct,
the key words are there.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 21:01 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
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This part and its stickered/printed variants are not really rectangular. They
are (irregular) octagonal. Please rename these parts, it's hard to find them
based on their current name.
/Jan
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Hi Jan!
Since you brought this up, I would like to give you the opportunity to choose
which one you would like:
- "Rectangular Octagon"
or
- "Octagonal Rectangle"
Or we could go a different route and name them:
- "Rectangular with Cut Corners"
I think it is important that we leave some reference to the rectangle.
Any others with thoughts?
Cheers,
Randy
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I don't really care as long as the word "octagon" or "octagonal" is in the
name. That's what I searched for and didn't find what I wanted.
/Jan
BTW - You will for sure find some people annoyed if using "octagonal rectangle"
or "rectangular octagon". The names are self-contradictory.
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I did an analysis of all the names used for shields in the catalog to see if
we could make the system a little easier.
The catalog uses the following terms at present:
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"Shield Ovoid"
and its patterned versions
The name is good and works. If LEGO makes a shortened version, then it should
be renamed "Shield Ovoid Long".
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"Shield Triangular"
and its patterned versions
This isn't really a triangle, but it is "triangular". The name works as long
as LEGO does not make a real triangle shield. If they do, these will need to
be updated.
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"Shield Round with Stud"
The name is good and works. "Round" could be changed to "Circular" to more accurately
describe it in terms of shape. The ridges on the shield could be described.
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"Shield Broad with Spiked Bottom and Cutout Corner"
and its patterned versions
The name is good and it works.
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"Shield Triangular Long"
(not available plain) and its patterned versions
Once again, this isn't really a triangle, but it is "triangular". The name
works as long as LEGO does not make a real triangle shield that is longer. If
they do, these will need to be updated.
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"Shield Pentagonal"
The name is good, but it could be better. It could possibly mention the studs.
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"Shield Pentagonal with Rock Edges"
The name is good, but it could be better. It could possibly mention the studs.
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"Shield Pentagonal with Spikes"
The name is good, but it could be better. It could possibly mention the studs.
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"Shield Rectangular with Stud"
and its patterned versions
As brought up in this thread, the name is not accurate and does not really work.
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"Shield Round Flat"
and its patterned versions
The name is good and it works. It could possibly be changed to "Shield Round
with Flat Front" to be consistent with 75902 below. Also, "Round" could be changed
to "Circular" to more accurately describe it in terms of shape.
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"Shield Rectangular without Stud"
This is the only part that uses this shape. As brought up in this thread, the
name is not accurate and does not really work.
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"Shield Round with Rounded Front"
and its patterned versions
The name is good and it works. "Round" could be changed to "Circular" to more
accurately describe it in terms of shape.
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"Shield Round with Stud and Ring Around Edge"
and its patterned versions
The name is good and it works. It could possibly be tweaked a tad with respect
to the "Ring" term. Also, "Round" could be changed to "Circular" to more accurately
describe it in terms of shape.
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"Shield Oval"
and its patterned versions
The name is good and it works. This is the only shaped shield type that uses
a noun to describe it ("Oval") instead of an adjective. Switching to an adjective
would lead to "Ovate" which is too close to "Ovoid". "Elliptical" could be a
choice.
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"Shield Scarab"
The name is good and it works.
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"Shield Rectangular Curved with Stud"
(not available plain) and its patterned versions
The name is good and it works. Here we have a true "Rectangular" shield that
is curved. It makes sense that the shields originally talked about in this thread
should move away from that term.
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"Shield Round with Groove"
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I did not know this existed, so I don't know anything about it. The name
feels like it could be changed to something more like 75902 above.
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"Shield Octagonal"
This is the only part that uses this shape. This part is a true octagon, so the
other shields being talked about in this thread should not use just "Octagonal".
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At this point, after reviewing all of the comments in the thread and doing the
above analysis, here is what I am thinking concerning the shields in this thread:
- Remove any mention of "Rectangular". They are not true rectangles, and LEGO
may make a true rectangular shield which would need this term.
- They are "Octagonal", so should definitely use that term.
- They are longer than the one "Octagonal" shield already in the catalog, so
they should use the term "Long" to differentiate and stay consistent with other
shields that have a shorter and longer version.
Proposal:
All shields that use the following shape get renamed to "Shield Octagonal
Long with Stud":
Any further thoughts?
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 21:17 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| Agreed: triangular, pentagonal... this one (and the other one of your list) should
be octogonal.
Then, the "Long" is a good idea, yes, it'd be perfect.
IMHO.
| | At this point, after reviewing all of the comments in the thread and doing the
above analysis, here is what I am thinking concerning the shields in this thread:
- Remove any mention of "Rectangular". They are not true rectangles, and LEGO
may make a true rectangular shield which would need this term.
- They are "Octagonal", so should definitely use that term.
- They are longer than the one "Octagonal" shield already in the catalog, so
they should use the term "Long" to differentiate and stay consistent with other
shields that have a shorter and longer version.
Proposal:
All shields that use the following shape get renamed to "Shield Octagonal
Long with Stud":
Any further thoughts?
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 21:55 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| Would it be possible to also get more "simple" words to use for them or is it
something that should be left until the tagging system gets implemented
For example instead of just triangular to also have the word triangle
or ovoid also have oval (until i started on bricklink i didn't even know
ovoid was a word)
or circular to also have circle
I know im probably the odd one out as i never finished school so I didn't
go to as many English classes but I think it might help overall to have more
"recognizable" name.
On a side note do you think it would be a good idea to somewhere add Uruk-hai
to shield 10049's name to make it easier to find ive been on the edge about
requesting a name change but now that shield name changes came up I thought I
should ask
Thanks!
-Jason
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 22:36 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| I think the reason we use the adjective forms of the terms is because many of
the shapes are not exactly the shapes that people think of.
Examples:
- "Triangle" makes people think of a shape with three straight sides and corners,
but none of the shields are actually triangles. They are "triangular", though.
- "Oval" makes people think of a symmetrically stretched rounded shape, whereas
only some of the shields are actually symmetrical ovals. Most of them are "ovoid",
or egg-shaped.
- As for the case of the shields that led to this thread, "octagon" makes people
think of regular octagons that have all equal sides and angles like a STOP sign.
But there is only one shield in the catalog that is a regular octagon. The others
are also octagons, but more readily described as "octagonal".
I like the idea of having the simplified terms, but it may be best left for a
tag system at this point. And a tag system is coming. Work on it will begin this
year, but it is going to require the entire search interface for BrickLink to
be redesigned, so it is slated for a long development time. Until then, I think
the terms are best left as close as possible to what has been used up until now.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Cheers,
Randy
In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Would it be possible to also get more "simple" words to use for them or is it
something that should be left until the tagging system gets implemented
For example instead of just triangular to also have the word triangle
or ovoid also have oval (until i started on bricklink i didn't even know
ovoid was a word)
or circular to also have circle
I know im probably the odd one out as i never finished school so I didn't
go to as many English classes but I think it might help overall to have more
"recognizable" name.
On a side note do you think it would be a good idea to somewhere add Uruk-hai
to shield 10049's name to make it easier to find ive been on the edge about
requesting a name change but now that shield name changes came up I thought I
should ask
Thanks!
-Jason
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 22:39 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| | Thankyou for the explanation! Sounds like a good plan! |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Mar 20, 2022 11:45 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
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This part and its stickered/printed variants are not really rectangular. They
are (irregular) octagonal. Please rename these parts, it's hard to find them
based on their current name.
/Jan
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Hi Jan!
Since you brought this up, I would like to give you the opportunity to choose
which one you would like:
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All shields that use the following shape get renamed to "Shield Octagonal
Long with Stud":
Any further thoughts?
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2022 16:57 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
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This part and its stickered/printed variants are not really rectangular. They
are (irregular) octagonal. Please rename these parts, it's hard to find them
based on their current name.
/Jan
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Hi Jan!
Since you brought this up, I would like to give you the opportunity to choose
which one you would like:
- "Rectangular Octagon"
or
- "Octagonal Rectangle"
Or we could go a different route and name them:
- "Rectangular with Cut Corners"
I think it is important that we leave some reference to the rectangle.
Any others with thoughts?
Cheers,
Randy
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I believe the term you are looking for is oblong.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2022 07:16 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, jennnifer writes:
| | I believe the term you are looking for is oblong.
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I suggested this above and it is accurate, however - I do think it's a bit
of an obscure term. "Long Octagon" as Randyf suggested is probably better from
the POV of what users would actually search.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2022 09:00 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, jennnifer writes:
| | I believe the term you are looking for is oblong.
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I suggested this above and it is accurate, however - I do think it's a bit
of an obscure term. "Long Octagon" as Randyf suggested is probably better from
the POV of what users would actually search.
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Oblong is also one of those terms with different meanings in different countries.
In British English oblong nearly always refers to a rectangle, whereas in US
English it is an elongated shape of any form.
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 25, 2022 18:33 | | Subject: | Re: Rectangular vs octagonal shields | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
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| In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
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This part and its stickered/printed variants are not really rectangular. They
are (irregular) octagonal. Please rename these parts, it's hard to find them
based on their current name.
/Jan
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This has been completed along with some other small tweaks to shield names. The
names are much more consistent and follow a set structure.
Thanks for bringing this up, and thanks for everyone who participated in the
discussion.
Cheers,
Randy
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Denmark
USA, Ohio
France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
United Kingdom, England
Luxembourg
Canada, Ontario
Spain, Comunidad Valenciana
