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| | | Author: | Fidelito  | | Posted: | Feb 8, 2022 23:02 | | Subject: | Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 490 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| As a seller, when do you provide the buyer its feedback and why? I`ve heard some
leave it as soon as the order is paid, others when it is shipped of, some others
after the order was marked as complete by de buyer.
Which do you recommend?
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| | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Feb 8, 2022 23:33 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, Fidel_535 writes:
| | As a seller, when do you provide the buyer its feedback and why? I`ve heard some
leave it as soon as the order is paid, others when it is shipped of, some others
after the order was marked as complete by de buyer.
Which do you recommend?
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I usually wait until the buyer marks the order as complete. Many buyers do not
mark the order as complete, so in that case I leave feedback after a few months
have passed and sometimes that prompts the buyer to leave feedback and mark the
order as complete. I have always found it a bit silly sellers who leave feedback
as soon as the order is paid as the transaction is not complete yet and there
are still many things that can go wrong.
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| | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 00:14 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, Fidel_535 writes:
| | As a seller, when do you provide the buyer its feedback and why? I`ve heard some
leave it as soon as the order is paid, others when it is shipped of, some others
after the order was marked as complete by de buyer.
Which do you recommend?
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I leave feedback as soon as the order is shipped. It is my way of putting a "done"
sign on the order process. And I don't wait to do it, because I don't
care to have to go back through dozens of orders to find which ones still need
feedback.
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| | | | | | | Author: | maxx3001 | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 17:36 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, calebfishn writes:
| | In Feedback, Fidel_535 writes:
| | As a seller, when do you provide the buyer its feedback and why? I`ve heard some
leave it as soon as the order is paid, others when it is shipped of, some others
after the order was marked as complete by de buyer.
Which do you recommend?
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I leave feedback as soon as the order is shipped. It is my way of putting a "done"
sign on the order process. And I don't wait to do it, because I don't
care to have to go back through dozens of orders to find which ones still need
feedback.
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+1
I ship, get home, set the order to shipped and leave feedback.
File and move on to the next order.
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| | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 01:23 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, Fidel_535 writes:
| | As a seller, when do you provide the buyer its feedback and why? I`ve heard some
leave it as soon as the order is paid, others when it is shipped of, some others
after the order was marked as complete by de buyer.
Which do you recommend?
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I always did it here and do it on ebay, when it is paid. There has always be
controversy when a seller should leave feedback - wait to see how the whole transaction
plays out. I cannot buy into that in that the buyer only has one thing to do,
pay. And if the transaction goes south, most of the time it is the seller who
screwed up. If the buyer is playing games you can always change the feedback.
It is a way to say thank you and lets the buyer feel safer about the transaction.
If a seller has to wait until the whole transaction is done, what is the seller
worried about? Is the seller trying to pull a fast one on a buyer and not leave
poor feedback if the buyer does not?
Argue as we may, it does not hurt in anyway for the seller to leave feedback
when paid. It is the polite thing to do.
And it works for me, one retaliatory negative as a buyer and one or two neutrals,
for something I did wrong and fixed. The negative and neutral were from a French
seller and a French buyer.
John P
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| | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 03:07 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 97 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, Fidel_535 writes:
| | As a seller, when do you provide the buyer its feedback and why? I`ve heard some
leave it as soon as the order is paid, others when it is shipped of, some others
after the order was marked as complete by de buyer.
Which do you recommend?
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I very much believe that feedback is a buyer necessity but not a seller one.
The prime purpose of feedback as far as I can see is for allowing buyers to rate
the store from which they have purchased from. In my opinion there is little
need for a seller to rate their customers after all I'm not sure what people
would think if a big online chain publicly commented about their customers? therefore
if a buyer chooses to take the time to rate their shopping experience with me
then out of courtesy I will leave them feedback in return but I do not routinely
leave feedback for buyers otherwise
Either way the transaction is not complete until the goods have been received,
checked and any subsequent problems addressed by the seller and so when I myself
am the buyer I leave feedback first to indicate to the seller that goods have
been received and all is well
There are many buyers that do not leave feedback and if anything this just saves
me from feeling the need to leave feedback in return (Leaving feedback is actually
quite time consuming and if anything I would prefer to be able to have this automated
like I have on ebay)
Bricklink should also adopt that same thing as ebay where sellers can't leave
negatives for their customers so it gives a better reflection on how stores are
truly performing!
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| | | | | Author: | tjb01527 | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 05:27 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| As a seller, I will only leave feedback once the buyer has left feedback. I agree
with the previous comment. Buyers just have to pay. My job is to offer a great
service, from product to communication, packing etc. If there is a problem, I
will always do my best to resolve it.
As a buyer, I record feedback straight away. I concede it's different on
Ebay. In the main, it's a different type of customer.
In Feedback, Fidel_535 writes:
| | As a seller, when do you provide the buyer its feedback and why? I`ve heard some
leave it as soon as the order is paid, others when it is shipped of, some others
after the order was marked as complete by de buyer.
Which do you recommend?
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 08:37 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, Fidel_535 writes:
| | As a seller, when do you provide the buyer its feedback and why? I`ve heard some
leave it as soon as the order is paid, others when it is shipped of, some others
after the order was marked as complete by de buyer.
Which do you recommend?
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Buyers "job" is to place a smooth order and gracefully/timely pay.
That's it.
So, you can post a feedback after payment or shipping - but you really shouldn't
wait for anything else, or worse, wait for his feedback!
Sylvain
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 08:42 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, 1001bricks writes:
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Buyers "job" is to place a smooth order and gracefully/timely pay.
That's it.
So, you can post a feedback after payment or shipping - but you really shouldn't
wait for anything else, or worse, wait for his feedback!
Sylvain
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But the feedback is part of the whole transaction!
I can’t judge the transaction before I’ve received feedback.
(This is what some sellers said here. No joking, on their part.)
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 08:47 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| | | But the feedback is part of the whole transaction!
I can’t judge the transaction before I’ve received feedback.
(This is what some sellers said here. No joking, on their part.)
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I agree, but will wait for your agreement to agree.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 16:30 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, 1001bricks writes:
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Buyers "job" is to place a smooth order and gracefully/timely pay.
That's it.
So, you can post a feedback after payment or shipping - but you really shouldn't
wait for anything else, or worse, wait for his feedback!
Sylvain
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But the feedback is part of the whole transaction!
I can’t judge the transaction before I’ve received feedback.
(This is what some sellers said here. No joking, on their part.)
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Your sarky comment completely misses the point because its more a case of the
transaction isn't complete until either the buyer has left feedback of the
buyer makes contact with the seller upon arrival of their order!
In short a seller may feel a lot less inclined to leave positive feedback if
they find they are dealing with a buyer that turns out to be rude, threatening,
blackmailing or making wildly false claims and quite often this will only become
clear towards the tail end of the transaction!
so you are right no joking on my part!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 17:18 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, infinibrix writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, 1001bricks writes:
| | […]
Buyers "job" is to place a smooth order and gracefully/timely pay.
That's it.
So, you can post a feedback after payment or shipping - but you really shouldn't
wait for anything else, or worse, wait for his feedback!
Sylvain
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But the feedback is part of the whole transaction!
I can’t judge the transaction before I’ve received feedback.
(This is what some sellers said here. No joking, on their part.)
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Your sarky comment completely misses the point because its more a case of the
transaction isn't complete until either the buyer has left feedback of the
buyer makes contact with the seller upon arrival of their order!
In short a seller may feel a lot less inclined to leave positive feedback if
they find they are dealing with a buyer that turns out to be rude, threatening,
blackmailing or making wildly false claims and quite often this will only become
clear towards the tail end of the transaction!
so you are right no joking on my part!
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Ah, now that I think about it, you’re right: Everytime I go to a shop and pay,
the clerk looks at me silently, not saying thank you or goodbye, that must be
because they are waiting to see if I come back to make a fuss because one toothpick
is missing in the box of 500 I just bought.
Not.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | pitz8008 | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 17:21 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, infinibrix writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, 1001bricks writes:
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Buyers "job" is to place a smooth order and gracefully/timely pay.
That's it.
So, you can post a feedback after payment or shipping - but you really shouldn't
wait for anything else, or worse, wait for his feedback!
Sylvain
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But the feedback is part of the whole transaction!
I can’t judge the transaction before I’ve received feedback.
(This is what some sellers said here. No joking, on their part.)
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Your sarky comment completely misses the point because its more a case of the
transaction isn't complete until either the buyer has left feedback of the
buyer makes contact with the seller upon arrival of their order!
In short a seller may feel a lot less inclined to leave positive feedback if
they find they are dealing with a buyer that turns out to be rude, threatening,
blackmailing or making wildly false claims and quite often this will only become
clear towards the tail end of the transaction!
so you are right no joking on my part!
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Ah, now that I think about it, you’re right: Everytime I go to a shop and pay,
the clerk looks at me silently, not saying thank you or goodbye, that must be
because they are waiting to see if I come back to make a fuss because one toothpick
is missing in the box of 500 I just bought.
Not.
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And at what point does the clerk leave you feedback?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 18:01 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, infinibrix writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, 1001bricks writes:
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Buyers "job" is to place a smooth order and gracefully/timely pay.
That's it.
So, you can post a feedback after payment or shipping - but you really shouldn't
wait for anything else, or worse, wait for his feedback!
Sylvain
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But the feedback is part of the whole transaction!
I can’t judge the transaction before I’ve received feedback.
(This is what some sellers said here. No joking, on their part.)
|
Your sarky comment completely misses the point because its more a case of the
transaction isn't complete until either the buyer has left feedback of the
buyer makes contact with the seller upon arrival of their order!
In short a seller may feel a lot less inclined to leave positive feedback if
they find they are dealing with a buyer that turns out to be rude, threatening,
blackmailing or making wildly false claims and quite often this will only become
clear towards the tail end of the transaction!
so you are right no joking on my part!
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Ah, now that I think about it, you’re right: Everytime I go to a shop and pay,
the clerk looks at me silently, not saying thank you or goodbye, that must be
because they are waiting to see if I come back to make a fuss because one toothpick
is missing in the box of 500 I just bought.
Not.
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With the experience I’ve accumulated over the years here in the forum, I've
come to notice that I can most times tell from a member’s input, whether they’re
a buyer only or both buyer and seller.
Sylvain, your perspectives are heavily buy-only colored, which I guess is apropos
to your chosen store name. I know that you were obligated, when accepting the
position of Discussion Mod, to upgrade your membership to seller status. Nonetheless,
I think it would be somewhat poetic if you made more of an effort to view the
activity here in the forum, not just as a buyer but as an active seller too.
Or at least try harder to see issues through the BL vendor’s lens.
If you could, Sylvain, I think you'd go from good to great as a moderator.
Just one member's opinion, though.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 18:13 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, popsicle writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, infinibrix writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, 1001bricks writes:
| | […]
Buyers "job" is to place a smooth order and gracefully/timely pay.
That's it.
So, you can post a feedback after payment or shipping - but you really shouldn't
wait for anything else, or worse, wait for his feedback!
Sylvain
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But the feedback is part of the whole transaction!
I can’t judge the transaction before I’ve received feedback.
(This is what some sellers said here. No joking, on their part.)
|
Your sarky comment completely misses the point because its more a case of the
transaction isn't complete until either the buyer has left feedback of the
buyer makes contact with the seller upon arrival of their order!
In short a seller may feel a lot less inclined to leave positive feedback if
they find they are dealing with a buyer that turns out to be rude, threatening,
blackmailing or making wildly false claims and quite often this will only become
clear towards the tail end of the transaction!
so you are right no joking on my part!
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Ah, now that I think about it, you’re right: Everytime I go to a shop and pay,
the clerk looks at me silently, not saying thank you or goodbye, that must be
because they are waiting to see if I come back to make a fuss because one toothpick
is missing in the box of 500 I just bought.
Not.
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With the experience I’ve accumulated over the years here in the forum, I've
come to notice that I can most times tell from a member’s input, whether they’re
a buyer only or both buyer and seller.
Sylvain, your perspectives are heavily buy-only colored, which I guess is apropos
to your chosen store name. I know that you were obligated, when accepting the
position of Discussion Mod, to upgrade your membership to seller status. Nonetheless,
I think it would be somewhat poetic if you made more of an effort to view the
activity here in the forum, not just as a buyer but as an active seller too.
Or at least try harder to see issues through the BL vendor’s lens.
If you could, Sylvain, I think you'd go from good to great as a moderator.
Just one member's opinion, though.
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+1
A mod that has a lot to say but little experience to backup what they say and
a mod who seems to thrive on being judgmental for the sake of being judgmental!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 18:45 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| | | A mod that has a lot to say but little experience to backup what they say and
a mod who seems to thrive on being judgmental for the sake of being judgmental!
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Wow.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 18:15 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, popsicle writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, infinibrix writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, 1001bricks writes:
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Buyers "job" is to place a smooth order and gracefully/timely pay.
That's it.
So, you can post a feedback after payment or shipping - but you really shouldn't
wait for anything else, or worse, wait for his feedback!
Sylvain
|
But the feedback is part of the whole transaction!
I can’t judge the transaction before I’ve received feedback.
(This is what some sellers said here. No joking, on their part.)
|
Your sarky comment completely misses the point because its more a case of the
transaction isn't complete until either the buyer has left feedback of the
buyer makes contact with the seller upon arrival of their order!
In short a seller may feel a lot less inclined to leave positive feedback if
they find they are dealing with a buyer that turns out to be rude, threatening,
blackmailing or making wildly false claims and quite often this will only become
clear towards the tail end of the transaction!
so you are right no joking on my part!
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Ah, now that I think about it, you’re right: Everytime I go to a shop and pay,
the clerk looks at me silently, not saying thank you or goodbye, that must be
because they are waiting to see if I come back to make a fuss because one toothpick
is missing in the box of 500 I just bought.
Not.
|
With the experience I’ve accumulated over the years here in the forum, I've
come to notice that I can most times tell from a member’s input, whether they’re
a buyer only or both buyer and seller.
Sylvain, your perspectives are heavily buy-only colored, which I guess is apropos
to your chosen store name. I know that you were obligated, when accepting the
position of Discussion Mod, to upgrade your membership to seller status. Nonetheless,
I think it would be somewhat poetic if you made more of an effort to view the
activity here in the forum, not just as a buyer but as an active seller too.
Or at least try harder to see issues through the BL vendor’s lens.
If you could, Sylvain, I think you'd go from good to great as a moderator.
Just one member's opinion, though.
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I think the viewpoints go further than a user's buyer/seller status. It seems
to me that generally those people that have a more favorable and positive viewpoint
on life seem to assume the better of people. I have seen that firsthand in these
same forums. That translates into being able to leave feedback early without
weighing themselves down with possible consequences that may come up. And those
that more naturally look at life through a lens of caution, fear, and anxiety
will most likely not.
Just another member's opinion.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 18:26 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, randyf writes:
| | In Feedback, popsicle writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, infinibrix writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, 1001bricks writes:
| | […]
Buyers "job" is to place a smooth order and gracefully/timely pay.
That's it.
So, you can post a feedback after payment or shipping - but you really shouldn't
wait for anything else, or worse, wait for his feedback!
Sylvain
|
But the feedback is part of the whole transaction!
I can’t judge the transaction before I’ve received feedback.
(This is what some sellers said here. No joking, on their part.)
|
Your sarky comment completely misses the point because its more a case of the
transaction isn't complete until either the buyer has left feedback of the
buyer makes contact with the seller upon arrival of their order!
In short a seller may feel a lot less inclined to leave positive feedback if
they find they are dealing with a buyer that turns out to be rude, threatening,
blackmailing or making wildly false claims and quite often this will only become
clear towards the tail end of the transaction!
so you are right no joking on my part!
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Ah, now that I think about it, you’re right: Everytime I go to a shop and pay,
the clerk looks at me silently, not saying thank you or goodbye, that must be
because they are waiting to see if I come back to make a fuss because one toothpick
is missing in the box of 500 I just bought.
Not.
|
With the experience I’ve accumulated over the years here in the forum, I've
come to notice that I can most times tell from a member’s input, whether they’re
a buyer only or both buyer and seller.
Sylvain, your perspectives are heavily buy-only colored, which I guess is apropos
to your chosen store name. I know that you were obligated, when accepting the
position of Discussion Mod, to upgrade your membership to seller status. Nonetheless,
I think it would be somewhat poetic if you made more of an effort to view the
activity here in the forum, not just as a buyer but as an active seller too.
Or at least try harder to see issues through the BL vendor’s lens.
If you could, Sylvain, I think you'd go from good to great as a moderator.
Just one member's opinion, though.
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I think the viewpoints go further than a user's buyer/seller status. It seems
to me that generally those people that have a more favorable and positive viewpoint
on life seem to assume the better of people. I have seen that firsthand in these
same forums. That translates into being able to leave feedback early without
weighing themselves down with possible consequences that may come up. And those
that more naturally look at life through a lens of caution, fear, and anxiety
will most likely not.
Just another member's opinion.
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And a good one.
But let me ask you Randy, how much selling experience do you have on this
site? Because to negate experience in favor of "viewpoint on life" well, you
lose my understanding.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 18:42 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, popsicle writes:
| | In Feedback, randyf writes:
| | In Feedback, popsicle writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, infinibrix writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, 1001bricks writes:
| | […]
Buyers "job" is to place a smooth order and gracefully/timely pay.
That's it.
So, you can post a feedback after payment or shipping - but you really shouldn't
wait for anything else, or worse, wait for his feedback!
Sylvain
|
But the feedback is part of the whole transaction!
I can’t judge the transaction before I’ve received feedback.
(This is what some sellers said here. No joking, on their part.)
|
Your sarky comment completely misses the point because its more a case of the
transaction isn't complete until either the buyer has left feedback of the
buyer makes contact with the seller upon arrival of their order!
In short a seller may feel a lot less inclined to leave positive feedback if
they find they are dealing with a buyer that turns out to be rude, threatening,
blackmailing or making wildly false claims and quite often this will only become
clear towards the tail end of the transaction!
so you are right no joking on my part!
|
Ah, now that I think about it, you’re right: Everytime I go to a shop and pay,
the clerk looks at me silently, not saying thank you or goodbye, that must be
because they are waiting to see if I come back to make a fuss because one toothpick
is missing in the box of 500 I just bought.
Not.
|
With the experience I’ve accumulated over the years here in the forum, I've
come to notice that I can most times tell from a member’s input, whether they’re
a buyer only or both buyer and seller.
Sylvain, your perspectives are heavily buy-only colored, which I guess is apropos
to your chosen store name. I know that you were obligated, when accepting the
position of Discussion Mod, to upgrade your membership to seller status. Nonetheless,
I think it would be somewhat poetic if you made more of an effort to view the
activity here in the forum, not just as a buyer but as an active seller too.
Or at least try harder to see issues through the BL vendor’s lens.
If you could, Sylvain, I think you'd go from good to great as a moderator.
Just one member's opinion, though.
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I think the viewpoints go further than a user's buyer/seller status. It seems
to me that generally those people that have a more favorable and positive viewpoint
on life seem to assume the better of people. I have seen that firsthand in these
same forums. That translates into being able to leave feedback early without
weighing themselves down with possible consequences that may come up. And those
that more naturally look at life through a lens of caution, fear, and anxiety
will most likely not.
Just another member's opinion.
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And a good one.
But let me ask you Randy, how much selling experience do you have on this
site? Because to negate experience in favor of "viewpoint on life" well, you
lose my understanding.
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None here, but I know which camp I fall into. On ebay, I always left feedback
as soon as someone paid me. Is that enough experience for you, Cory?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 18:46 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, randyf writes:
| | In Feedback, popsicle writes:
| | In Feedback, randyf writes:
| | In Feedback, popsicle writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, infinibrix writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, 1001bricks writes:
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Buyers "job" is to place a smooth order and gracefully/timely pay.
That's it.
So, you can post a feedback after payment or shipping - but you really shouldn't
wait for anything else, or worse, wait for his feedback!
Sylvain
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But the feedback is part of the whole transaction!
I can’t judge the transaction before I’ve received feedback.
(This is what some sellers said here. No joking, on their part.)
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Your sarky comment completely misses the point because its more a case of the
transaction isn't complete until either the buyer has left feedback of the
buyer makes contact with the seller upon arrival of their order!
In short a seller may feel a lot less inclined to leave positive feedback if
they find they are dealing with a buyer that turns out to be rude, threatening,
blackmailing or making wildly false claims and quite often this will only become
clear towards the tail end of the transaction!
so you are right no joking on my part!
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Ah, now that I think about it, you’re right: Everytime I go to a shop and pay,
the clerk looks at me silently, not saying thank you or goodbye, that must be
because they are waiting to see if I come back to make a fuss because one toothpick
is missing in the box of 500 I just bought.
Not.
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With the experience I’ve accumulated over the years here in the forum, I've
come to notice that I can most times tell from a member’s input, whether they’re
a buyer only or both buyer and seller.
Sylvain, your perspectives are heavily buy-only colored, which I guess is apropos
to your chosen store name. I know that you were obligated, when accepting the
position of Discussion Mod, to upgrade your membership to seller status. Nonetheless,
I think it would be somewhat poetic if you made more of an effort to view the
activity here in the forum, not just as a buyer but as an active seller too.
Or at least try harder to see issues through the BL vendor’s lens.
If you could, Sylvain, I think you'd go from good to great as a moderator.
Just one member's opinion, though.
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I think the viewpoints go further than a user's buyer/seller status. It seems
to me that generally those people that have a more favorable and positive viewpoint
on life seem to assume the better of people. I have seen that firsthand in these
same forums. That translates into being able to leave feedback early without
weighing themselves down with possible consequences that may come up. And those
that more naturally look at life through a lens of caution, fear, and anxiety
will most likely not.
Just another member's opinion.
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And a good one.
But let me ask you Randy, how much selling experience do you have on this
site? Because to negate experience in favor of "viewpoint on life" well, you
lose my understanding.
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None here, but I know which camp I fall into. On ebay, I always left feedback as soon as someone paid me.
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Actually, no. But thanks for asking, Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 18:32 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, randyf writes:
| | I think the viewpoints go further than a user's buyer/seller status. It seems
to me that generally those people that have a more favorable and positive viewpoint
on life seem to assume the better of people. I have seen that firsthand in these
same forums. That translates into being able to leave feedback early without
weighing themselves down with possible consequences that may come up. And those
that more naturally look at life through a lens of caution, fear, and anxiety
will most likely not.
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Well said, agree 100%. Things are easier if you have a glass-half-full mentality
(which happens less and less since I cut down my beer intake to one-a-week).
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 18:45 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Feedback, randyf writes:
| | I think the viewpoints go further than a user's buyer/seller status. It seems
to me that generally those people that have a more favorable and positive viewpoint
on life seem to assume the better of people. I have seen that firsthand in these
same forums. That translates into being able to leave feedback early without
weighing themselves down with possible consequences that may come up. And those
that more naturally look at life through a lens of caution, fear, and anxiety
will most likely not.
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Well said, agree 100%. Things are easier if you have a glass-half-full mentality
(which happens less and less since I cut down my beer intake to one-a-week).
Niek.
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So you either wear rose-colored glasses conducting business, or stay intoxicated?
If you don't mind, I'll just keep my options open in these matters. Thanks
anyway
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 18:56 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, randyf writes:
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I think the viewpoints go further than a user's buyer/seller status. It seems
to me that generally those people that have a more favorable and positive viewpoint
on life seem to assume the better of people. I have seen that firsthand in these
same forums. That translates into being able to leave feedback early without
weighing themselves down with possible consequences that may come up. And those
that more naturally look at life through a lens of caution, fear, and anxiety
will most likely not.
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It has nothing to do with having a positive viewpoint on life.... If I wanted
to assume the best in people I would ship all my goods first and allow buyers
to pay upon receipt of their orders? I mean why the need to weight myself down
with caution, fear and anxiety after all What could possibly go wrong?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 19:21 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, infinibrix writes:
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It has nothing to do with having a positive viewpoint on life.... If I wanted
to assume the best in people I would ship all my goods first and allow buyers
to pay upon receipt of their orders?
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I would be down for that. Gimme some minifigs!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 19:23 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, infinibrix writes:
| | In Feedback, randyf writes:
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I think the viewpoints go further than a user's buyer/seller status. It seems
to me that generally those people that have a more favorable and positive viewpoint
on life seem to assume the better of people. I have seen that firsthand in these
same forums. That translates into being able to leave feedback early without
weighing themselves down with possible consequences that may come up. And those
that more naturally look at life through a lens of caution, fear, and anxiety
will most likely not.
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It has nothing to do with having a positive viewpoint on life.... If I wanted
to assume the best in people I would ship all my goods first and allow buyers
to pay upon receipt of their orders? I mean why the need to weight myself down
with caution, fear and anxiety after all What could possibly go wrong?
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Well put.
But frankly you shouldn't bother arguing the point further. I mean how would
you start with those that conflate how one views life or sees the world, with
practical decisions 
It argues that if you don't follow this particular selling procedure, you're
a cynic. The irony is to argue that, itself is cynical.
-popsicle
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 18:39 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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Funny, I'm a vendor, but Sylvain is perfectly right.
The opposite attitude is just retrograde and puts pressure on the buyer while
he's done his part.
| | If you could, Sylvain, I think you'd go from good to great as a moderator.
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Promised: I'll try not to vomit in my mask.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 18:46 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Or at least try harder to see issues through the BL vendor’s lens.
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Funny, I'm a vendor, but Sylvain is perfectly right.
The opposite attitude is just retrograde and puts pressure on the buyer while
he's done his part.
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Sorry, Sylvain, but your experience does not count. You have a different opinion
than Cory, so you are wrong. 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 19:29 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, popsicle writes:
| | […]
With the experience I’ve accumulated over the years here in the forum, I've
come to notice that I can most times tell from a member’s input, whether they’re
a buyer only or both buyer and seller.
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Sellers having said in this thread when they leave feedback (and since you seem
to care who’s got the biggest, their number of orders as sellers in parentheses):
When marked Complete:
wildchicken13 (800)
When feedback left by buyer:
infinibrix (4822)
tjb01527 (2970)
popsicle (6030)
When paid/shipped:
calebfishn (2434)
maxx3001 (4149)
legoman77 (3015)
1001bricks (61590)
qwertyboy (9177)
peregrinator (301)
billamber (2935)
(I don’t know what plz8008 (19881) does.)
Seems to me my opinion coincides with the majority (of sellers having chimed
in in this thread).
And I won’t sell because:
1. Mine, My Precious!
2. You’d find another lame ad hominem to disregard my opinion.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 19:34 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| Dont forget the simple answer. When the prop to leave feedback appears it reminds
me to leave feedback otherwise I forget
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 19:43 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, popsicle writes:
| | […]
With the experience I’ve accumulated over the years here in the forum, I've
come to notice that I can most times tell from a member’s input, whether they’re
a buyer only or both buyer and seller.
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Sellers having said in this thread when they leave feedback (and since you seem
to care who’s got the biggest, their number of orders as sellers in parentheses):
When marked Complete:
wildchicken13 (800)
When feedback left by buyer:
infinibrix (4822)
tjb01527 (2970)
popsicle (6030)
When paid/shipped:
calebfishn (2434)
maxx3001 (4149)
legoman77 (3015)
1001bricks (61590)
qwertyboy (9177)
peregrinator (301)
billamber (2935)
(I don’t know what plz8008 (19881) does.)
Seems to me my opinion coincides with the majority (of sellers having chimed
in in this thread).
And I won’t sell because:
1. Mine, My Precious!
2. You’d find another lame ad hominem to disregard my opinion.
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Okay, you've got our profile on your conclusive list. Where do you find our
stated feedback procedure in this thread? Or is it another assumption about sellers
from a zero experience BL seller?
I gave you some advise on perhaps being a better moderator, which in your usual
obstinance, you disregarded here. You'd rather be right in whatever manner
possible, than be better.
-popsicle
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 19:47 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, popsicle writes:
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Okay, you've got our profile on your conclusive list. Where do you find our
stated feedback procedure in this thread?
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I read the thread.
“I always leave feedback when…” is a pretty good clue about what “I” does.
| | [… and another ad hominem …]
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 19:52 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, popsicle writes:
| | […]
Okay, you've got our profile on your conclusive list. Where do you find our
stated feedback procedure in this thread?
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I read the thread.
“I always leave feedback when…” is a pretty good clue about what “I” does.
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Where exactly is our post you're quoting?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 00:53 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, popsicle writes:
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| | I read the thread.
“I always leave feedback when…” is a pretty good clue about what “I” does.
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Where exactly is our post you're quoting?
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Oopsies, I indeed counted you while you didn’t directly say anything on when
to leave feedback.
You only disparaged randyf and me for not being sellers, denying us the right
to an opinion on the matter, IOW argument ad hominem. And you praised infinibrix
for a strawman against randyf’s opinion.
So, as, on the original subject of when to leave feedback, randyf and me are
saying one thing and infinibrix another, I mistakenly concluded you also disagreed
with us and agreed with infinibrix on that subject.
That was logically wrong and a pitfall of ad hominem attacks (to think that because
one attacks the person, one doesn’t agree with what the person said, but it’s
actually only an attack on the person).
My deepest apologies for this logical error and for counting you in the summary.
So, now that it’s established that I made a mistake and you didn’t gave your
opinion on the matter but on people:
Do you have anything to say on the queston of when to give feedback?
Should we count you in one of the other groups?
Or do we remove you from the list altogether?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 04:53 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
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You only disparaged randyf and me for not being sellers, denying us the right
to an opinion on the matter, IOW argument ad hominem. And you praised infinibrix
for a strawman against randyf’s opinion.
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and yet the way you bring forth your opinion is condescending and judgmental,
likewise randy speaks from the moral high ground as if to suggest those that
do this have a positive viewpoint on life compared to those that do something
else and yet there is a lot of naivety within that statement particularly from
a selling perspective!
| | So, now that it’s established that I made a mistake and you didn’t gave your
opinion on the matter but on people:
Do you have anything to say on the queston of when to give feedback?
Should we count you in one of the other groups?
Or do we remove you from the list altogether?
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Why do you feel so intent on categorizing everyone? Is it to pit sellers against
one another?
Popsicle has over 6000 feedback with 100% positive track record for both buying
and selling and so why should he feel the need to explain himself to anyone?
Clearly he already knows whats he's doing and yet a couple of guys with zero
selling experience here on Bricklink somehow know better?
As for trying to categorize myself I have already stated many times before including
in this thread that I do not believe there is any need for sellers to have the
ability to leave non positive feedback for their customers (do you have a category
for that?)
I want buyers to be able to leave true feedback without the fear of retaliation
from sellers and so why are you trying to categorize my views in a negative
context?
However the system is as it is and so yes I would consider leaving a negative
for a buyer if it felt warranted but only because the system allows for this,
not because I believe this is the best way to operate a feedback system
Judging by the fact we have larger list of those that leave feedback first and
therefore have no ability or intention of leaving retaliation feedback am I wrong
to assume those sellers would also support a feedback system where only buyers
can leave negative/neutral feedback?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 05:34 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, infinibrix writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
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You only disparaged randyf and me for not being sellers, denying us the right
to an opinion on the matter, IOW argument ad hominem. And you praised infinibrix
for a strawman against randyf’s opinion.
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and yet the way you bring forth your opinion is condescending and judgmental,
likewise randy speaks from the moral high ground as if to suggest those that
do this have a positive viewpoint on life compared to those that do something
else and yet there is a lot of naivety within that statement particularly from
a selling perspective!
| | So, now that it’s established that I made a mistake and you didn’t gave your
opinion on the matter but on people:
Do you have anything to say on the queston of when to give feedback?
Should we count you in one of the other groups?
Or do we remove you from the list altogether?
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Why do you feel so intent on categorizing everyone? Is it to pit sellers against
one another?
Popsicle has over 6000 feedback with 100% positive track record for both buying
and selling and so why should he feel the need to explain himself to anyone?
Clearly he already knows whats he's doing and yet a couple of guys with zero
selling experience here on Bricklink somehow know better?
As for trying to categorize myself I have already stated many times before including
in this thread that I do not believe there is any need for sellers to have the
ability to leave non positive feedback for their customers (do you have a category
for that?)
I want buyers to be able to leave true feedback without the fear of retaliation
from sellers and so why are you trying to categorize my views in a negative
context?
However the system is as it is and so yes I would consider leaving a negative
for a buyer if it felt warranted but only because the system allows for this,
not because I believe this is the best way to operate a feedback system
Judging by the fact we have larger list of those that leave feedback first and
therefore have no ability or intention of leaving retaliation feedback am I wrong
to assume those sellers would also support a feedback system where only buyers
can leave negative/neutral feedback?
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Always a good read, your inputs. Thanks
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | pitz8008 | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 23:38 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, popsicle writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, popsicle writes:
| | […]
With the experience I’ve accumulated over the years here in the forum, I've
come to notice that I can most times tell from a member’s input, whether they’re
a buyer only or both buyer and seller.
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Sellers having said in this thread when they leave feedback (and since you seem
to care who’s got the biggest, their number of orders as sellers in parentheses):
When marked Complete:
wildchicken13 (800)
When feedback left by buyer:
infinibrix (4822)
tjb01527 (2970)
popsicle (6030)
When paid/shipped:
calebfishn (2434)
maxx3001 (4149)
legoman77 (3015)
1001bricks (61590)
qwertyboy (9177)
peregrinator (301)
billamber (2935)
(I don’t know what plz8008 (19881) does.)
Seems to me my opinion coincides with the majority (of sellers having chimed
in in this thread).
And I won’t sell because:
1. Mine, My Precious!
2. You’d find another lame ad hominem to disregard my opinion.
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Okay, you've got our profile on your conclusive list. Where do you find our
stated feedback procedure in this thread? Or is it another assumption about sellers
from a zero experience BL seller?
I gave you some advise on perhaps being a better moderator, which in your usual
obstinance, you disregarded here. You'd rather be right in whatever manner
possible, than be better.
-popsicle
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Unless they are international orders, I leave feedback after a month or so. And
I even do that evil thing where I mark an order complete after a month or so
and leave feedback.
I don't mean to be rude. But the "Discussions Moderator" doesn't actually
seem to be a moderator whatsoever. At least going by the standard definition
of a moderator.
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| In Feedback, pitz8008 writes:
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I don't mean to be rude. But the "Discussions Moderator" doesn't actually
seem to be a moderator whatsoever. At least going by the standard definition
of a moderator.
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You’re free to flag for the Discussions Moderators any message you think
breaks the forum rules (as stated here: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=126
and in the ToS).
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| In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, pitz8008 writes:
| | […]
I don't mean to be rude. But the "Discussions Moderator" doesn't actually
seem to be a moderator whatsoever. At least going by the standard definition
of a moderator.
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You’re free to flag for the Discussions Moderators any message you think
breaks the forum rules (as stated here: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=126
and in the ToS).
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This is like the equivalent of Thor (who I was a big fan of) being a Discussions
Moderator.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 08:17 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, pitz8008 writes:
| | In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, pitz8008 writes:
| | […]
I don't mean to be rude. But the "Discussions Moderator" doesn't actually
seem to be a moderator whatsoever. At least going by the standard definition
of a moderator.
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You’re free to flag for the Discussions Moderators any message you think
breaks the forum rules (as stated here: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=126
and in the ToS).
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This is like the equivalent of Thor (who I was a big fan of) being a Discussions Moderator.
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Though not exactly "a big fan" I admired and appreciated Foster's energy
and tenaciousness on topics here in the forum. Some of the longest and entertaining
threads over the years, were Foster-driven. I know there remains those that would
disagree (I could probably name a few) but they were good times here when
the BL forum was yet untamed, imho.
Not to mention the excitement of the auctions, if you go back far enough.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=563801
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| | | | | This is like the equivalent of Thor (who I was a big fan of) being a Discussions Moderator.
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Though not exactly "a big fan" I admired and appreciated Foster's energy
and tenaciousness on topics here in the forum.
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Yes. But he was a Major PITA also.
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| In Feedback, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | This is like the equivalent of Thor (who I was a big fan of) being a Discussions Moderator.
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Though not exactly "a big fan" I admired and appreciated Foster's energy
and tenaciousness on topics here in the forum.
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Yes. But he was a Major PITA also
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And proud of it... but which of us are not in one form or another to someone
or another, when speaking our mind?
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| In Feedback, popsicle writes:
| | In Feedback, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | This is like the equivalent of Thor (who I was a big fan of) being a Discussions Moderator.
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Though not exactly "a big fan" I admired and appreciated Foster's energy
and tenaciousness on topics here in the forum.
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Yes. But he was a Major PITA also
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And proud of it... but which of us are not in one form or another to someone
or another, when speaking our mind?
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Ahhh, good times, when you could enjoy a good night on the forum, just reading,
drinking beer and watching the sheep hit the fan 
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| | | | | | | | | Though not exactly "a big fan" I admired and appreciated Foster's energy
and tenaciousness on topics here in the forum.
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Yes. But he was a Major PITA also
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And proud of it... but which of us are not in one form or another to someone
or another, when speaking our mind?
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Ahhh, good times, when you could enjoy a good night on the forum, just reading,
drinking beer and watching the sheep hit the fan
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You're talking about this?
25th May 2008
I miss Timothy as well.
He drove Foster crazy calling him a "sock puppet" ha ha :-=)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 19:56 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Feedback, popsicle writes:
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With the experience I’ve accumulated over the years here in the forum, I've
come to notice that I can most times tell from a member’s input, whether they’re
a buyer only or both buyer and seller.
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Sellers having said in this thread when they leave feedback (and since you seem
to care who’s got the biggest, their number of orders as sellers in parentheses):
When marked Complete:
wildchicken13 (800)
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infinibrix (4822)
tjb01527 (2970)
popsicle (6030)
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calebfishn (2434)
maxx3001 (4149)
legoman77 (3015)
1001bricks (61590)
qwertyboy (9177)
peregrinator (301)
billamber (2935)
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Stellar (3319)
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(I don’t know what plz8008 (19881) does.)
Seems to me my opinion coincides with the majority (of sellers having chimed
in in this thread).
And I won’t sell because:
1. Mine, My Precious!
2. You’d find another lame ad hominem to disregard my opinion.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 17:39 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| | | Your sarky comment completely misses the point because its more a case of the
transaction isn't complete until either the buyer has left feedback of the
buyer makes contact with the seller upon arrival of their order!
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You buy, you pay, you go home.
Then call your seller: "Hey! Thank you, I finally arrived with no damage and
everything seems to be in perfect condition!"
Then the seller replies "Oh, thanks to let me know! You're very welcome back
to my shop, any time A+++ buyer!!!"
SylvainLS may have missed a point, but apparently you've missed the few recent
decades, sorry to say.
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| In Feedback, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | Your sarky comment completely misses the point because its more a case of the
transaction isn't complete until either the buyer has left feedback of the
buyer makes contact with the seller upon arrival of their order!
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You buy, you pay, you go home.
Then call your seller: "Hey! Thank you, I finally arrived with no damage and
everything seems to be in perfect condition!"
Then the seller replies "Oh, thanks to let me know! You're very welcome back
to my shop, any time A+++ buyer!!!"
SylvainLS may have missed a point, but apparently you've missed the few recent
decades, sorry to say.
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You've also missed the point because if the buyer hasn't left feedback
and they are contacting the seller its likely to be because they consider their
to be a problem with the transaction.... I then listen to what the customer has
to say before gauging whether my experience with the buyer is positive or negative
and so is that so difficult to understand?
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| | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 08:46 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, Fidel_535 writes:
| | As a seller, when do you provide the buyer its feedback and why? I`ve heard some
leave it as soon as the order is paid, others when it is shipped of, some others
after the order was marked as complete by de buyer.
Which do you recommend?
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I typically leave feedback when I ship the order - I have automated feedback
set up to do this. Sometimes I will leave feedback before this, if I want to
personalize it in some way.
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| | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 18:07 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, Fidel_535 writes:
| | As a seller, when do you provide the buyer its feedback and why? I`ve heard some
leave it as soon as the order is paid, others when it is shipped of, some others
after the order was marked as complete by de buyer.
Which do you recommend?
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There seems to be two main philosophies:
1. Leave feedback as soon as the buyer pays. The buyer's main responsibility
is to pay, so once they have done that, the seller can (and should) leave feedback.
2. Leave feedback after the transaction is complete, usually after the buyer
has marked the order as complete or a certain amount of time has elapsed.
Not sure which one is better or if it really matters. Feedback can be removed
up to a month after it has been posted, by which point the transaction is most
likely complete, anyway. Besides, 99% of all feedback on BrickLink is positive,
so even if you only leave positive feedback, you will be right most of the time.
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| | | | | | | Author: | billamber | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 18:23 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Feedback, Fidel_535 writes:
| | As a seller, when do you provide the buyer its feedback and why? I`ve heard some
leave it as soon as the order is paid, others when it is shipped of, some others
after the order was marked as complete by de buyer.
Which do you recommend?
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There seems to be two main philosophies:
1. Leave feedback as soon as the buyer pays. The buyer's main responsibility
is to pay, so once they have done that, the seller can (and should) leave feedback.
2. Leave feedback after the transaction is complete, usually after the buyer
has marked the order as complete or a certain amount of time has elapsed.
Not sure which one is better or if it really matters. Feedback can be removed
up to a month after it has been posted, by which point the transaction is most
likely complete, anyway. Besides, 99% of all feedback on BrickLink is positive,
so even if you only leave positive feedback, you will be right most of the time.
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Hi all! Been on here about 12 years and on ebay about 12 before that (as a seller
and sometimes buyer). It seem to be a matter of seller preference when to leave
feedback. Everyone agrees that the buyer has only one job, to pay, but no one
mentions that the buyer is basically 'taking the risk' of paying, then
hoping to receive an order. Because of the 'risk' factor involved, I
personally like to reward the buyers' 'good faith payment' by leaving
feedback right away, just sayin'
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| | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 23:51 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, Fidel_535 writes:
| | As a seller, when do you provide the buyer its feedback and why? I`ve heard some
leave it as soon as the order is paid, others when it is shipped of, some others
after the order was marked as complete by de buyer.
Which do you recommend?
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I only leave feedback if the buyer leaves feedback (except few exceptions).
Reasons:
- Buyer needs feedback more than seller. If they don't care and don't
mind to leave any feedback, they are not gonna get one from me neither.
I trust better buyers that have left and received many positive feedbacks and
may give them a better service. I may not do the same with a buyer who has not
left nay feedback for other sellers (and probably do not communicate well about
his/her expectations,...)
- If the buyer is trouble-maker, unreasonable, scammer,.... I absolutely want
to leave appropriate feedback to warn other sellers. So I will not immediately
leave a positive feedback right after the payment is received.
This is not a reason:
- If buyer leaves a bad feedback because I made a mistake and did not correct
it, I will not leave a retaliatory feedback.
So far, about 10 buyers left neutral/negative feedbacks, mostly without any communication
with me. Once I reached out and resolved the problem, they happily removed the
feedback.
In one recent case, the negative feedback of a problematic buyer was removed
by BL's admin.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Feb 9, 2022 23:58 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| | | In one recent case, the negative feedback of a problematic buyer was removed
by BL's admin.
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Congrats on the return to 100% feedback!!!
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| In Feedback, Nubs_Select writes:
| | | | In one recent case, the negative feedback of a problematic buyer was removed
by BL's admin.
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Congrats on the return to 100% feedback!!!
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Thanks Nubs select. Canadian stores do their bests!
I was still considering its positive side: I had stopped being obsessed with
100% feedback!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 01:13 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| | | I was still considering its positive side: I had stopped being obsessed with
100% feedback!
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Yah I’m still worried for the day I get a negative or neutral and can’t work
anything out with they buyer to get it removed. My recent neutral (buyer didn’t
put enough batteries in the battery box) I was wondering if I should leave it
so I would worry anymore
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| In Feedback, Nubs_Select writes:
| | | | I was still considering its positive side: I had stopped being obsessed with
100% feedback!
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Yah I’m still worried for the day I get a negative or neutral and can’t work
anything out with they buyer to get it removed. My recent neutral (buyer didn’t
put enough batteries in the battery box)
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Was this really the reason he left you a neutral feedback? How unfair and unreasonable.
I cannot believe it.
I mean.......for this, you deserved a permanent negative feedback for sure!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 10:42 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| | | Was this really the reason he left you a neutral feedback?
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Yup
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I cannot believe it.
I mean.......for this, you deserved a permanent negative feedback for
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And the sad part is since he contacted me about it being broken I sent him a
refund right away but then later he conmtaced me and said he realized he didn’t
put enough batteries in it and that it worked perfectly and so I messaged him
about what to do about the fact I gave him a refund (about $40) and he never
responded and to my knowledge you can’t reverse a refund. at least he changed
it from a neutral (or negative I can’t remember) to a positive.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 01:46 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, SezaR writes:
| | I was still considering its positive side: I had stopped being obsessed with
100% feedback!
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Now why would that be? I thought "Buyer needs feedback more than seller." 
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| In Feedback, randyf writes:
| | In Feedback, SezaR writes:
| | I was still considering its positive side: I had stopped being obsessed with
100% feedback!
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Now why would that be? I thought "Buyer needs feedback more than seller."
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Are you asking why I am obsessed with 100%?
It is called perfectionist, OCR,...whatever. It is not about receiving more feedbacks.
It is about 100% feedback rating. So as far as I don't get any more feedback,
I am good.
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100% feedback!
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Now why would that be? I thought "Buyer needs feedback more than seller."
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Are you asking why I am obsessed with 100%?
It is called perfectionist, OCR,...
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Order Cancel Request???
Feedback should reflect real life.
100% positive feedback in life is, frankly, abnormal - or even worrying.
When I see this, I've a tendency to flea - as I guess I'll be hassled
with threats (or kindness - worse) to make my feedback be forced to change.
But that's me - I'm just thinking it's stupid/weird/gross when I
hear this girl on the phone asking me: "And is there anything alse I can do for
you today?" 
I know it's Business; and I know I'm not like this.
In short, wanting to keep 100% is an obsession: this is kindly (the more often)
sick
IMHO here.
Sylvain
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 10:28 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| | | Feedback should reflect real life.
100% positive feedback in life is, frankly, abnormal - or even worrying.
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If feedback reflects real life, they should probably just do away with all feedback.
In real life, how many people give feedback to a store and how many expect to
receive it from a store after paying? If feedback reflects real life, I think
most people couldn't care less about service when they pick what they want
at a price they are willing to pay, pay for it and take it away. If it was the
same on BL, most feedback would be null - as in not left. And if forced to leave
it, most would be neutral if the store just did what the customer expected.
I cannot really think of anything that would make a BL transaction positive more
than "I got what I ordered and paid for (in a reasonable time)". But that is
also my basic expectation. It is not a (real life) positive to me that someone
managed to send me the item that I ordered and paid for. I wouldn't write
blogs or tweets or tell friends about how great the store is for managing to
supply what I paid for. I cannot think of anything that would make it positive
rather than just what I expect as a basic standard. I know some sellers put in
sweets or LEGO stickers or bags of free parts that do not otherwise sell, but
I don't count that as an extra positive service that would make me want to
buy from them again any more than a seller that doesn't do it. If a seller
supplies what I ordered at the price I was willing to pay, I'd order from
them again.
I think in part it is to do with the names of the types of feedback. To me (as
a buyer leaving feedback for seller) the names really mean:
Positive: I got what I paid for, the transaction was fine (or better).
Neutral: There were problems but it got resolved eventually, or the problem was
not resolved but not really that serious but was worth noting.
Negative: They tried to rip me off, or other serious problem.
The important point is that "fine" is positive, and not neutral. To me, in real
life, neutral means fine but nothing special. But it has a different meaning
on BL.
What is the point of store feedback for other buyers to see. Surely it is to
know will you get the order (in a reasonable time) or won't you? If we
started differentiating between sellers that put in a few freebies (wow - positive)
and those that don't (neutral as they were just fine), it becomes a bit farcical
when all that really matters is will I get the stuff I paid for. And in that
sense there is not really a difference between expected service and positive.
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| | | | | Author: | i_r_on | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 05:04 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, Fidel_535 writes:
| | As a seller, when do you provide the buyer its feedback and why? I`ve heard some
leave it as soon as the order is paid, others when it is shipped of, some others
after the order was marked as complete by de buyer.
Which do you recommend?
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I think it's all about the trust in yourself about the quality of service
you are providing and your trust in your buyer for his/her appreciation of that
service.
If you are ok with yourself and your buyer you can leave the feedback right away
after shipping the order.
Of all buyers & sellers out there there is more to be heard about "never given
feedback" tough. It's like keeping it secret.
For the seller side at least if you give your feedback right after shipping you
pass the burden to the buyer.
I think it's a kind of hypocrisy for either seller/buyer to wait for the
other side to give feedback first. Feedback should be an objective response about
the experience of either side buyer or seller.
For the customer the transaction doesn't end with you shipping the order
so you have the chance to amend the outcome of your experience buy adjusting
your feedback.
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| | | I think it's a kind of hypocrisy for either seller/buyer to wait for the
other side to give feedback first. Feedback should be an objective response about
the experience of either side buyer or seller.
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Bingo!
Thank you.
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 10, 2022 05:29 | | Subject: | Re: Feedback before or after completing order | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Feedback | |
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| In Feedback, Fidel_535 writes:
| | As a seller, when do you provide the buyer its feedback and why? I`ve heard some
leave it as soon as the order is paid, others when it is shipped of, some others
after the order was marked as complete by de buyer.
Which do you recommend?
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I normally leave once I have shipped, just as I am filing the order away. However,
recently I have started checking feedback left by buyers. It only takes a few
seconds, and if they don't leave feedback for sellers then I don't bother
to leave it for them.
I'm not really sure what the point of feedback for buyers is anyway. They
could equally well go to a system for buyers of number of orders placed and number
of NPBs. It is not like a seller can stop a random buyer buying anyway, although
I guess in rare cases, there might be bad behaviour flagged up in negative feedback,
such as the buyer makes frequent complaints or whatever, but that would only
be seen if the seller checks the feedback for every buyer. But then is there
much point to that if they have already bought and paid?
Of course, it could go to the ebay style of all feedback for buyers is positive
only, but that is somewhat pointless. That just becomes an order placed count.
I used to leave feedback for all orders on ebay, whether buyer or seller. I don't
bother these days as either buyer or seller.
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