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| | | Author: | rankster  | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 07:44 | | Subject: | Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 192 times | | Topic: | Catalog Requests | | For: | Inventories Administrator | | Status: | Open | |
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| The inventory of the Darth Vader (sw1112) minifigure was updated on Sep 3, cape
#522 was replaced with cape #522c.
According to Bricks & Pieces page, this minifigure comes with both #522 and #522c
capes as below.
In set 75294:
Element ID: 4124171
Design ID: 22231
In set 75296:
Element ID: 6335646
Design ID: 73518
Should it be separated to sw1112a and sw1112b or should a new entry being made
for the one with #522 cape (as the current one is with #522c)?
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| | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 08:01 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, rankster writes:
| | The inventory of the Darth Vader (sw1112) minifigure was updated on Sep 3, cape
#522 was replaced with cape #522c.
According to Bricks & Pieces page, this minifigure comes with both #522 and #522c
capes as below.
In set 75294:
Element ID: 4124171
Design ID: 22231
In set 75296:
Element ID: 6335646
Design ID: 73518
Should it be separated to sw1112a and sw1112b or should a new entry being made
for the one with #522 cape (as the current one is with #522c)?
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Don't trust Bricks & Pieces, they don't distinguish between 522 and 522c.
See here:
https://brickset.com/sets/containing-design-22231
22231 in all sets through 2020, also in those for which we have confirmation
for 522c like
Do you have proof for 522 in set
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| | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 09:01 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Turez writes:
| | In Catalog, rankster writes:
| | The inventory of the Darth Vader (sw1112) minifigure was updated on Sep 3, cape
#522 was replaced with cape #522c.
According to Bricks & Pieces page, this minifigure comes with both #522 and #522c
capes as below.
In set 75294:
Element ID: 4124171
Design ID: 22231
In set 75296:
Element ID: 6335646
Design ID: 73518
Should it be separated to sw1112a and sw1112b or should a new entry being made
for the one with #522 cape (as the current one is with #522c)?
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Don't trust Bricks & Pieces, they don't distinguish between 522 and 522c.
See here:
https://brickset.com/sets/containing-design-22231
22231 in all sets through 2020, also in those for which we have confirmation
for 522c like
Do you have proof for 522 in set
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My copy of set
have cardboard sleeve with this exact number (just checked it - confirmed from
sealed set content)
this cardboard sleeve with the same cape was then in this set also as I see
so it is 522 cape.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 09:10 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, Turez writes:
| | In Catalog, rankster writes:
| | The inventory of the Darth Vader (sw1112) minifigure was updated on Sep 3, cape
#522 was replaced with cape #522c.
According to Bricks & Pieces page, this minifigure comes with both #522 and #522c
capes as below.
In set 75294:
Element ID: 4124171
Design ID: 22231
In set 75296:
Element ID: 6335646
Design ID: 73518
Should it be separated to sw1112a and sw1112b or should a new entry being made
for the one with #522 cape (as the current one is with #522c)?
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Don't trust Bricks & Pieces, they don't distinguish between 522 and 522c.
See here:
https://brickset.com/sets/containing-design-22231
22231 in all sets through 2020, also in those for which we have confirmation
for 522c like
Do you have proof for 522 in set
?
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My copy of set
have cardboard sleeve with this exact number (just checked it - confirmed from
sealed set content)
this cardboard sleeve with the same cape was then in this set also as I see
so it is 522 cape.
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Ok so I just opend this set and just checked cape carboard sleeve.
and it has this
So I have proof that in Vader from 75294 has 522 cape and from 75296 has 522c
cape
P.S.
But do we really want to complicate differentiation od Star Wars minifigures.
I propose maybe do the same as with heads just add a note that this minfigure
can be with 522 or 522c cape. I wish good look to all sellers tring to measure
those capes anf find 1mm od difference 
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 09:45 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | Ok so I just opend this set and just checked cape carboard sleeve.
and it has this
So I have proof that in Vader from 75294 has 522 cape and from 75296 has 522c
cape
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Thanks. (Again: Did you measure the cape in 75294 or did you just go by the sleeve
number and inventory?)
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But do we really want to complicate differentiation od Star Wars minifigures.
I propose maybe do the same as with heads just add a note that this minfigure
can be with 522 or 522c cape. I wish good look to all sellers tring to measure
those capes anf find 1mm od difference
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In regards to these capes I don't care too much about store inventories.
But I would like to have correct catalog inventories. 
And I think the difference is big enough to justify separate minifigures if necessary.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Redhawk_Kevin | | Posted: | Oct 6, 2021 21:48 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | But do we really want to complicate differentiation od Star Wars minifigures.
I propose maybe do the same as with heads just add a note that this minfigure
can be with 522 or 522c cape. I wish good look to all sellers tring to measure
those capes anf find 1mm od difference
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This is the best suggestion. The minifigures should not be made into separate
entries.
- Kevin
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 09:12 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, Turez writes:
| | In Catalog, rankster writes:
| | The inventory of the Darth Vader (sw1112) minifigure was updated on Sep 3, cape
#522 was replaced with cape #522c.
According to Bricks & Pieces page, this minifigure comes with both #522 and #522c
capes as below.
In set 75294:
Element ID: 4124171
Design ID: 22231
In set 75296:
Element ID: 6335646
Design ID: 73518
Should it be separated to sw1112a and sw1112b or should a new entry being made
for the one with #522 cape (as the current one is with #522c)?
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Don't trust Bricks & Pieces, they don't distinguish between 522 and 522c.
See here:
https://brickset.com/sets/containing-design-22231
22231 in all sets through 2020, also in those for which we have confirmation
for 522c like
Do you have proof for 522 in set
?
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My copy of set
have cardboard sleeve with this exact number (just checked it - confirmed from
sealed set content)
this cardboard sleeve with the same cape was then in this set also as I see
so it is 522 cape.
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Thanks! Can you confirm the capes in 75294 and 75261 are definitely 522 and not
522c?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | rankster | | Posted: | Oct 6, 2021 17:10 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Turez writes:
| | Thanks! Can you confirm the capes in 75294 and 75261 are definitely 522 and not
522c?
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Dear Hygrotus, could you please confirm this so the minifig could be split to
sw1112a and sw1112b? Thanks in advance.
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 09:14 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Turez writes:
| | In Catalog, rankster writes:
| | The inventory of the Darth Vader (sw1112) minifigure was updated on Sep 3, cape
#522 was replaced with cape #522c.
According to Bricks & Pieces page, this minifigure comes with both #522 and #522c
capes as below.
In set 75294:
Element ID: 4124171
Design ID: 22231
In set 75296:
Element ID: 6335646
Design ID: 73518
Should it be separated to sw1112a and sw1112b or should a new entry being made
for the one with #522 cape (as the current one is with #522c)?
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Don't trust Bricks & Pieces, they don't distinguish between 522 and 522c.
See here:
https://brickset.com/sets/containing-design-22231
22231 in all sets through 2020, also in those for which we have confirmation
for 522c like
Do you have proof for 522 in set
?
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On the subject of capes I don't know how many variations there are but can
I suggest that we add the word 'Rigid' to all those capes that hold their
form when lightly pinched at one end and then add the word 'Soft' to
all those capes that flop down under the same test
This would at least give people a rough idea of the style of cape with just a
quick glance
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 10:32 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
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On the subject of capes I don't know how many variations there are but can
I suggest that we add the word 'Rigid' to all those capes that hold their
form when lightly pinched at one end and then add the word 'Soft' to
all those capes that flop down under the same test
This would at least give people a rough idea of the style of cape with just a
quick glance
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The correct terms to describe these fabrics would be Woven and Knit. (basically
the difference between a dress shirt and a T-shirt) However, not everyone understands
fabric construction.
As we already use Starched and Spongy, I just don't think adding even more
subjective terms would be very helpful.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 11:41 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
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On the subject of capes I don't know how many variations there are but can
I suggest that we add the word 'Rigid' to all those capes that hold their
form when lightly pinched at one end and then add the word 'Soft' to
all those capes that flop down under the same test
This would at least give people a rough idea of the style of cape with just a
quick glance
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The correct terms to describe these fabrics would be Woven and Knit. (basically
the difference between a dress shirt and a T-shirt) However, not everyone understands
fabric construction.
As we already use Starched and Spongy, I just don't think adding even more
subjective terms would be very helpful.
Jen
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Well isn't 'Starched' just a further fabric construction that most
people don't understand? I certainly did'nt until I just keyed it into
google. At least everyone will understand the basic principal of a firm, stiff
or rigid cape compared to one that is not hence my suggestion to include it
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 11:51 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
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On the subject of capes I don't know how many variations there are but can
I suggest that we add the word 'Rigid' to all those capes that hold their
form when lightly pinched at one end and then add the word 'Soft' to
all those capes that flop down under the same test
This would at least give people a rough idea of the style of cape with just a
quick glance
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The correct terms to describe these fabrics would be Woven and Knit. (basically
the difference between a dress shirt and a T-shirt) However, not everyone understands
fabric construction.
As we already use Starched and Spongy, I just don't think adding even more
subjective terms would be very helpful.
Jen
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Well isn't 'Starched' just a further fabric construction that most
people don't understand? I certainly did'nt until I just keyed it into
google. At least everyone will understand the basic principal of a firm, stiff
or rigid cape compared to one that is not hence my suggestion to include it
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Well, maybe my age is showing but I would think Starched is a very common term?
Also, as these capes age, they lose the rigidity and that could create some confusion
with the term. Of course, it's the starch wearing off that causes this. So,
now we are back to Woven and Knit.
I could create a simple image to add to the additional images that could cleary
show the differences in fabric type for lay people.
Where is John P when you need him in this conversation??
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | superchicken77 | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 17:13 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Probably putting capes on Barbies to make them super.
In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
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On the subject of capes I don't know how many variations there are but can
I suggest that we add the word 'Rigid' to all those capes that hold their
form when lightly pinched at one end and then add the word 'Soft' to
all those capes that flop down under the same test
This would at least give people a rough idea of the style of cape with just a
quick glance
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The correct terms to describe these fabrics would be Woven and Knit. (basically
the difference between a dress shirt and a T-shirt) However, not everyone understands
fabric construction.
As we already use Starched and Spongy, I just don't think adding even more
subjective terms would be very helpful.
Jen
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Well isn't 'Starched' just a further fabric construction that most
people don't understand? I certainly did'nt until I just keyed it into
google. At least everyone will understand the basic principal of a firm, stiff
or rigid cape compared to one that is not hence my suggestion to include it
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Well, maybe my age is showing but I would think Starched is a very common term?
Also, as these capes age, they lose the rigidity and that could create some confusion
with the term. Of course, it's the starch wearing off that causes this. So,
now we are back to Woven and Knit.
I could create a simple image to add to the additional images that could cleary
show the differences in fabric type for lay people.
Where is John P when you need him in this conversation??
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 11:53 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | Well isn't 'Starched' just a further fabric construction that most
people don't understand? I certainly did'nt until I just keyed it into
google. At least everyone will understand the basic principal of a firm, stiff
or rigid cape compared to one that is not hence my suggestion to include it
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"stiff" or "rigid" is certainly better than "starched" in my opinion - and may
be more accurate as well. Starching is something that is done to fabric to make
it stiff. Is Lego actually starching fabric or are they just using fabrics that
are more or less stiff to begin with?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 11:56 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | Well isn't 'Starched' just a further fabric construction that most
people don't understand? I certainly did'nt until I just keyed it into
google. At least everyone will understand the basic principal of a firm, stiff
or rigid cape compared to one that is not hence my suggestion to include it
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"stiff" or "rigid" is certainly better than "starched" in my opinion - and may
be more accurate as well. Starching is something that is done to fabric to make
it stiff. Is Lego actually starching fabric or are they just using fabrics that
are more or less stiff to begin with?
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The starched capes lose their stiffness over time during play. So, yes, I believe
it is a starched fabric.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 11:53 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
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On the subject of capes I don't know how many variations there are but can
I suggest that we add the word 'Rigid' to all those capes that hold their
form when lightly pinched at one end and then add the word 'Soft' to
all those capes that flop down under the same test
This would at least give people a rough idea of the style of cape with just a
quick glance
|
The correct terms to describe these fabrics would be Woven and Knit. (basically
the difference between a dress shirt and a T-shirt) However, not everyone understands
fabric construction.
As we already use Starched and Spongy, I just don't think adding even more
subjective terms would be very helpful.
Jen
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It would be really helpful if they would stop making the starched ones and we
could all walk together into a bright future where capes are not immediately
ruined on first use.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2021 12:05 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
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On the subject of capes I don't know how many variations there are but can
I suggest that we add the word 'Rigid' to all those capes that hold their
form when lightly pinched at one end and then add the word 'Soft' to
all those capes that flop down under the same test
This would at least give people a rough idea of the style of cape with just a
quick glance
|
The correct terms to describe these fabrics would be Woven and Knit. (basically
the difference between a dress shirt and a T-shirt) However, not everyone understands
fabric construction.
As we already use Starched and Spongy, I just don't think adding even more
subjective terms would be very helpful.
Jen
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It would be really helpful if they would stop making the starched ones and we
could all walk together into a bright future where capes are not immediately
ruined on first use.
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I am with you! Knit fabric is also less likely to fray.
I think my previous life as a sewing, knitting, crafting, non-LEGO person is
starting to show through.
Jen
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| | | | | Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | Oct 6, 2021 20:05 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Oh, no... I now have to start measuring all my black capes because of a .1 cm
difference?
In Catalog, rankster writes:
| | The inventory of the Darth Vader (sw1112) minifigure was updated on Sep 3, cape
#522 was replaced with cape #522c.
According to Bricks & Pieces page, this minifigure comes with both #522 and #522c
capes as below.
In set 75294:
Element ID: 4124171
Design ID: 22231
In set 75296:
Element ID: 6335646
Design ID: 73518
Should it be separated to sw1112a and sw1112b or should a new entry being made
for the one with #522 cape (as the current one is with #522c)?
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Oct 7, 2021 04:15 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
| | Oh, no... I now have to start measuring all my black capes because of a .1 cm
difference?
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If you still have some in cardboard I think you can check the number:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=522&in=P
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=522c&in=P
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In Catalog, rankster writes:
| | The inventory of the Darth Vader (sw1112) minifigure was updated on Sep 3, cape
#522 was replaced with cape #522c.
According to Bricks & Pieces page, this minifigure comes with both #522 and #522c
capes as below.
In set 75294:
Element ID: 4124171
Design ID: 22231
In set 75296:
Element ID: 6335646
Design ID: 73518
Should it be separated to sw1112a and sw1112b or should a new entry being made
for the one with #522 cape (as the current one is with #522c)?
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| | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Oct 7, 2021 16:13 | | Subject: | Re: Capes of Darth Vader (sw1112) | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
| | Oh, no... I now have to start measuring all my black capes because of a .1 cm
difference?
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What do you mean by "now"? The separate entry for 522c has been in the catalog
for over six years.
And we already have a separate figure entry because of the .1 cm difference since
2016:
See also https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1278383
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