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| | | | | Author: | Stellar  | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 02:50 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 136 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
**If seller exceeds distance selling threshold of €10,000, seller must collect
VAT from buyer.
This will be implemented at a later date.
Excuse me but... What?
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| | | | | | | Author: | Bad_Girl | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 02:58 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 120 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Stellar writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
**If seller exceeds distance selling threshold of €10,000, seller must collect
VAT from buyer.
This will be implemented at a later date.
Excuse me but... What?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Brick.Store. | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 03:24 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 102 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Bad_Girl writes:
| | In Administrative, Stellar writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
**If seller exceeds distance selling threshold of €10,000, seller must collect
VAT from buyer.
This will be implemented at a later date.
Excuse me but... What?
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**If the seller exceeds the distance sales threshold of €10,000, the seller must
collect VAT from the buyer.
This will be implemented at a later date.
and
*EU marketplace rules state that the seller must collect VAT in the buyer's
country. At the moment BrickLink is not able to support this feature, but we
are working on supporting this.
When will this function be available?
Is there a timeline?
On 05.12.2017 this was decided.
It was delayed from 01.01.2021 to 01.07.2021.
So enough time for implementation, now we have 01.07.2021 and it is not working
Affected are all sellers in the EU that are over 10,000 €.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 04:23 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | In Administrative, Bad_Girl writes:
| | In Administrative, Stellar writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
**If seller exceeds distance selling threshold of €10,000, seller must collect
VAT from buyer.
This will be implemented at a later date.
Excuse me but... What?
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**If the seller exceeds the distance sales threshold of €10,000, the seller must
collect VAT from the buyer.
This will be implemented at a later date.
and
*EU marketplace rules state that the seller must collect VAT in the buyer's
country. At the moment BrickLink is not able to support this feature, but we
are working on supporting this.
When will this function be available?
Is there a timeline?
On 05.12.2017 this was decided.
It was delayed from 01.01.2021 to 01.07.2021.
So enough time for implementation, now we have 01.07.2021 and it is not working
Affected are all sellers in the EU that are over 10,000 €.
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Okaaaay.
I don't actually care because I only use Bricklink for hobby selling now
and don't take it very seriously, but it's funny how it's really
the first time in a couple of years that Bricklink actually does less
than I expected it to do. Taxes was their one thing they were working on, it
seemed. But apparently even that is not working out. Proves again that using
Bricklink for business is not the smartest choice!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 04:38 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | Affected are all sellers in the EU that are over 10,000 €.
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Although there's no excuse for it not working, as far as I can see it doesn't
need to be a serious problem, right? I mean, you already had to do your invoicing
outside of Bricklink (if only for the fact the invoice on Bricklink cannot include
an invoice number). So you can also apply the buyer country's VAT percentage
manually. So, the inc.VAT amount would remain the same for all EU buyers but
on the backend you charge a different VAT percentage.
Also, I think the sales up to July don't count for the limit, so you still
have some time to use the old system (if not the full remainder of this year,
and a part of next year if your book year starts in January).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brick.Store. | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 04:50 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 105 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | Affected are all sellers in the EU that are over 10,000 €.
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Although there's no excuse for it not working, as far as I can see it doesn't
need to be a serious problem, right? I mean, you already had to do your invoicing
outside of Bricklink (if only for the fact the invoice on Bricklink cannot include
an invoice number). So you can also apply the buyer country's VAT percentage
manually. So, the inc.VAT amount would remain the same for all EU buyers but
on the backend you charge a different VAT percentage.
Also, I think the sales up to July don't count for the limit, so you still
have some time to use the old system (if not the full remainder of this year,
and a part of next year if your book year starts in January).
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It is no more time to use the old system because:
Determination of the turnover threshold 2021
For the assessment of the place of supply in the taxable period 2021, the following
must also be included to be included, which were executed in the calendar year
2020 and in the 1st half of 2021.
This means that if the turnover threshold has already been exceeded in the calendar
year 2020 or in the 1st half of 2021, from July 1, 2021 onwards, from the first
turnover onwards, for all within the EU
or
Do I fall under the obligation to report to the OSS if I have already exceeded
the threshold of 10,000 euros in 2020?
Yes. The supply threshold of 10,000 euros (net) also applies in advance. If the
threshold of 10,000 euros was exceeded in 2020, then the obligation to report
to the OSS applies from July 1, 2021.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brick.Store. | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 05:23 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | Affected are all sellers in the EU that are over 10,000 €.
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Although there's no excuse for it not working, as far as I can see it doesn't
need to be a serious problem, right? I mean, you already had to do your invoicing
outside of Bricklink (if only for the fact the invoice on Bricklink cannot include
an invoice number). So you can also apply the buyer country's VAT percentage
manually. So, the inc.VAT amount would remain the same for all EU buyers but
on the backend you charge a different VAT percentage.
Also, I think the sales up to July don't count for the limit, so you still
have some time to use the old system (if not the full remainder of this year,
and a part of next year if your book year starts in January).
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It is no more time to use the old system because:
Determination of the turnover threshold 2021
For the assessment of the place of supply in the taxable period 2021, the following
must also be included to be included, which were executed in the calendar year
2020 and in the 1st half of 2021.
This means that if the turnover threshold has already been exceeded in the calendar
year 2020 or in the 1st half of 2021, from July 1, 2021 onwards, from the first
turnover onwards, for all within the EU
or
Do I fall under the obligation to report to the OSS if I have already exceeded
the threshold of 10,000 euros in 2020?
Yes. The supply threshold of 10,000 euros (net) also applies in advance. If the
threshold of 10,000 euros was exceeded in 2020, then the obligation to report
to the OSS applies from July 1, 2021.
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Here is an excerpt from a FAQ
3. from when is the tax liability due?
The sale that leads to crossing the delivery threshold is the sale from which
the tax liability becomes due. If the threshold has already been reached in 2020
or in the first two quarters of 2021, then any sale will be subject to tax from
July 1. If the delivery threshold of 10,000 euros (net) is not reached until
September 2021, for example, then tax is not due until then.
4. When must the first report and the first payment be made in the OSS procedure?
The first report covering the 3rd quarter of 2021 (July, August, September) must
be submitted no later than October 31. 30 days after the end of the reporting
period, the payment period ends.
5. Is it possible to waive claiming the delivery threshold and pay tax directly
from the first euro in the destination country?
Yes, this is possible.
6. Do I fall under the obligation to report to the OSS if I have already exceeded
the threshold of 10,000 euros in 2020?
Yes. The supply threshold of 10,000 euros (net) also applies in advance. If the
threshold of 10,000 euros was exceeded in 2020, then the obligation to report
to the OSS applies from July 1, 2021.
7. Are shipping costs used to calculate whether the delivery threshold has
been exceeded?
Yes.
8. I have already exceeded the delivery threshold of 10,000 euros in Q1 2021.
Do I now have to report every remote sale through the OSS starting July 1?
Yes. If you have already exceeded the delivery threshold in 2021 or already in
2020, then you must report through the OSS starting July 1, 2021 if you want
to use the OSS.
Example 9: A German trader sells goods to Austria and France. When does he
become liable for tax in the two EU countries?
As long as the sales to Austria and France together amount to less than 10,000
euros, the German VAT rate of 19 percent or the reduced rate of 7 percent applies.
As soon as the sales to other EU countries exceed 10,000 euros, for example if
the entrepreneur has sold goods worth 6,000 euros to Austria and goods worth
4,001 euros to France, the entrepreneur becomes liable to pay tax in both countries.
Then each additional euro must be taxed in France at the French VAT rate (usually
20 percent). Each additional euro earned in Austria must be taxed at the Austrian
rate (usually 20 percent).
However, reporting and taxation can be done together via the One-Stop-Shop and
the taxes for both Austria and France are then forwarded to the Tax Office, which
handles the distribution of taxes to the respective EU countries.
Quelle: https://www.haendlerbund.de/de/news/aktuelles/rechtliches/3769-faq-one-stop-shop-umsatzsteuer#meldepflicht%202020
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 05:50 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | Affected are all sellers in the EU that are over 10,000 €.
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Although there's no excuse for it not working, as far as I can see it doesn't
need to be a serious problem, right? I mean, you already had to do your invoicing
outside of Bricklink (if only for the fact the invoice on Bricklink cannot include
an invoice number). So you can also apply the buyer country's VAT percentage
manually. So, the inc.VAT amount would remain the same for all EU buyers but
on the backend you charge a different VAT percentage.
Also, I think the sales up to July don't count for the limit, so you still
have some time to use the old system (if not the full remainder of this year,
and a part of next year if your book year starts in January).
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It is no more time to use the old system because:
Determination of the turnover threshold 2021
For the assessment of the place of supply in the taxable period 2021, the following
must also be included to be included, which were executed in the calendar year
2020 and in the 1st half of 2021.
This means that if the turnover threshold has already been exceeded in the calendar
year 2020 or in the 1st half of 2021, from July 1, 2021 onwards, from the first
turnover onwards, for all within the EU
or
Do I fall under the obligation to report to the OSS if I have already exceeded
the threshold of 10,000 euros in 2020?
Yes. The supply threshold of 10,000 euros (net) also applies in advance. If the
threshold of 10,000 euros was exceeded in 2020, then the obligation to report
to the OSS applies from July 1, 2021.
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Here is an excerpt from a FAQ
3. from when is the tax liability due?
The sale that leads to crossing the delivery threshold is the sale from which
the tax liability becomes due. If the threshold has already been reached in 2020
or in the first two quarters of 2021, then any sale will be subject to tax from
July 1. If the delivery threshold of 10,000 euros (net) is not reached until
September 2021, for example, then tax is not due until then.
4. When must the first report and the first payment be made in the OSS procedure?
The first report covering the 3rd quarter of 2021 (July, August, September) must
be submitted no later than October 31. 30 days after the end of the reporting
period, the payment period ends.
5. Is it possible to waive claiming the delivery threshold and pay tax directly
from the first euro in the destination country?
Yes, this is possible.
6. Do I fall under the obligation to report to the OSS if I have already exceeded
the threshold of 10,000 euros in 2020?
Yes. The supply threshold of 10,000 euros (net) also applies in advance. If the
threshold of 10,000 euros was exceeded in 2020, then the obligation to report
to the OSS applies from July 1, 2021.
7. Are shipping costs used to calculate whether the delivery threshold has
been exceeded?
Yes.
8. I have already exceeded the delivery threshold of 10,000 euros in Q1 2021.
Do I now have to report every remote sale through the OSS starting July 1?
Yes. If you have already exceeded the delivery threshold in 2021 or already in
2020, then you must report through the OSS starting July 1, 2021 if you want
to use the OSS.
Example 9: A German trader sells goods to Austria and France. When does he
become liable for tax in the two EU countries?
As long as the sales to Austria and France together amount to less than 10,000
euros, the German VAT rate of 19 percent or the reduced rate of 7 percent applies.
As soon as the sales to other EU countries exceed 10,000 euros, for example if
the entrepreneur has sold goods worth 6,000 euros to Austria and goods worth
4,001 euros to France, the entrepreneur becomes liable to pay tax in both countries.
Then each additional euro must be taxed in France at the French VAT rate (usually
20 percent). Each additional euro earned in Austria must be taxed at the Austrian
rate (usually 20 percent).
However, reporting and taxation can be done together via the One-Stop-Shop and
the taxes for both Austria and France are then forwarded to the Tax Office, which
handles the distribution of taxes to the respective EU countries.
Quelle: https://www.haendlerbund.de/de/news/aktuelles/rechtliches/3769-faq-one-stop-shop-umsatzsteuer#meldepflicht%202020
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Thanks for that info, I just studied the page of the Dutch tax agency closely
and it seems these implementations vary per country. According to the Dutch tax
agency, you must use VAT per coutnry once you have passed the 10.000 limit in
that booking year. So, technically, you could use domestic VAT every year until
you reach the limit and then switch to VAT per country (it says you would need
to do so starting from the first invoice that exceeds the limit in that year).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 06:37 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | Affected are all sellers in the EU that are over 10,000 €.
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Although there's no excuse for it not working, as far as I can see it doesn't
need to be a serious problem, right? I mean, you already had to do your invoicing
outside of Bricklink (if only for the fact the invoice on Bricklink cannot include
an invoice number). So you can also apply the buyer country's VAT percentage
manually. So, the inc.VAT amount would remain the same for all EU buyers but
on the backend you charge a different VAT percentage.
Also, I think the sales up to July don't count for the limit, so you still
have some time to use the old system (if not the full remainder of this year,
and a part of next year if your book year starts in January).
|
It is no more time to use the old system because:
Determination of the turnover threshold 2021
For the assessment of the place of supply in the taxable period 2021, the following
must also be included to be included, which were executed in the calendar year
2020 and in the 1st half of 2021.
This means that if the turnover threshold has already been exceeded in the calendar
year 2020 or in the 1st half of 2021, from July 1, 2021 onwards, from the first
turnover onwards, for all within the EU
or
Do I fall under the obligation to report to the OSS if I have already exceeded
the threshold of 10,000 euros in 2020?
Yes. The supply threshold of 10,000 euros (net) also applies in advance. If the
threshold of 10,000 euros was exceeded in 2020, then the obligation to report
to the OSS applies from July 1, 2021.
|
Here is an excerpt from a FAQ
3. from when is the tax liability due?
The sale that leads to crossing the delivery threshold is the sale from which
the tax liability becomes due. If the threshold has already been reached in 2020
or in the first two quarters of 2021, then any sale will be subject to tax from
July 1. If the delivery threshold of 10,000 euros (net) is not reached until
September 2021, for example, then tax is not due until then.
4. When must the first report and the first payment be made in the OSS procedure?
The first report covering the 3rd quarter of 2021 (July, August, September) must
be submitted no later than October 31. 30 days after the end of the reporting
period, the payment period ends.
5. Is it possible to waive claiming the delivery threshold and pay tax directly
from the first euro in the destination country?
Yes, this is possible.
6. Do I fall under the obligation to report to the OSS if I have already exceeded
the threshold of 10,000 euros in 2020?
Yes. The supply threshold of 10,000 euros (net) also applies in advance. If the
threshold of 10,000 euros was exceeded in 2020, then the obligation to report
to the OSS applies from July 1, 2021.
7. Are shipping costs used to calculate whether the delivery threshold has
been exceeded?
Yes.
8. I have already exceeded the delivery threshold of 10,000 euros in Q1 2021.
Do I now have to report every remote sale through the OSS starting July 1?
Yes. If you have already exceeded the delivery threshold in 2021 or already in
2020, then you must report through the OSS starting July 1, 2021 if you want
to use the OSS.
Example 9: A German trader sells goods to Austria and France. When does he
become liable for tax in the two EU countries?
As long as the sales to Austria and France together amount to less than 10,000
euros, the German VAT rate of 19 percent or the reduced rate of 7 percent applies.
As soon as the sales to other EU countries exceed 10,000 euros, for example if
the entrepreneur has sold goods worth 6,000 euros to Austria and goods worth
4,001 euros to France, the entrepreneur becomes liable to pay tax in both countries.
Then each additional euro must be taxed in France at the French VAT rate (usually
20 percent). Each additional euro earned in Austria must be taxed at the Austrian
rate (usually 20 percent).
However, reporting and taxation can be done together via the One-Stop-Shop and
the taxes for both Austria and France are then forwarded to the Tax Office, which
handles the distribution of taxes to the respective EU countries.
Quelle: https://www.haendlerbund.de/de/news/aktuelles/rechtliches/3769-faq-one-stop-shop-umsatzsteuer#meldepflicht%202020
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Thanks for that info, I just studied the page of the Dutch tax agency closely
and it seems these implementations vary per country. According to the Dutch tax
agency, you must use VAT per coutnry once you have passed the 10.000 limit in
that booking year. So, technically, you could use domestic VAT every year until
you reach the limit and then switch to VAT per country (it says you would need
to do so starting from the first invoice that exceeds the limit in that year).
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Okay you are now just serving hobbyists on Bricklink and we are now only serving
domestic customers (No onsite payment option). Good fun and maybe, just maybe
other doors will open. Straanger things have happened.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | kaat | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 06:04 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | Affected are all sellers in the EU that are over 10,000 €.
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Although there's no excuse for it not working, as far as I can see it doesn't
need to be a serious problem, right? I mean, you already had to do your invoicing
outside of Bricklink (if only for the fact the invoice on Bricklink cannot include
an invoice number). So you can also apply the buyer country's VAT percentage
manually. So, the inc.VAT amount would remain the same for all EU buyers but
on the backend you charge a different VAT percentage.
Also, I think the sales up to July don't count for the limit, so you still
have some time to use the old system (if not the full remainder of this year,
and a part of next year if your book year starts in January).
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This is exactly what I end up doing. Simply remove 21% dutch VAT for non-domestic
EU sales and readd the correct EU VAT myself. This means I'll lose a bit
on sales to countries with a higher VAT % and gain a little when the VAT % is
lower. At least then you can track sales with the correct VAT in your own book
keeping and report it at the end of the quarter.
OneStopShop is voluntary when below 10K but I already subscribed simply because
I don't want to have to start using all the different VAT percentages in
the middle of the quarter (when you're about to go over the threshold). And
when you already know you need to do it sooner or later, better do it from the
start.
So you need to work around it for now Most likely automate it, as it's
not funny doing this manually.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 06:32 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, kaat writes:
| | In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | Affected are all sellers in the EU that are over 10,000 €.
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Although there's no excuse for it not working, as far as I can see it doesn't
need to be a serious problem, right? I mean, you already had to do your invoicing
outside of Bricklink (if only for the fact the invoice on Bricklink cannot include
an invoice number). So you can also apply the buyer country's VAT percentage
manually. So, the inc.VAT amount would remain the same for all EU buyers but
on the backend you charge a different VAT percentage.
Also, I think the sales up to July don't count for the limit, so you still
have some time to use the old system (if not the full remainder of this year,
and a part of next year if your book year starts in January).
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This is exactly what I end up doing. Simply remove 21% dutch VAT for non-domestic
EU sales and readd the correct EU VAT myself. This means I'll lose a bit
on sales to countries with a higher VAT % and gain a little when the VAT % is
lower. At least then you can track sales with the correct VAT in your own book
keeping and report it at the end of the quarter.
OneStopShop is voluntary when below 10K but I already subscribed simply because
I don't want to have to start using all the different VAT percentages in
the middle of the quarter (when you're about to go over the threshold). And
when you already know you need to do it sooner or later, better do it from the
start.
So you need to work around it for now Most likely automate it, as it's
not funny doing this manually.
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Yeah, besides the fluctuating turnover (which may or may not matter to a seller)
maybe Bricklink failure to fix this on time doesn't make that much of a difference?
I mean, you need to write your own invoices anyway, the only difference is you
cannot take the VAT amount as quoted by Bricklink, you have to calculate it by
yourself (in your own system/software/excel/etc).
But even if Bricklink had a functional setting to charge the correct VAT amount,
you'd still need to keep your own administration right: do your invoices
and keep track of how much you sold to which country (because I don't assume
Bricklink is going to offer some kind of report on this). So it seems to me it's
just the VAT field being filled with an incorrect VAT amount which you should
just ignore...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Erikmax | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 06:47 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | In Administrative, kaat writes:
| | In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | Affected are all sellers in the EU that are over 10,000 €.
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Although there's no excuse for it not working, as far as I can see it doesn't
need to be a serious problem, right? I mean, you already had to do your invoicing
outside of Bricklink (if only for the fact the invoice on Bricklink cannot include
an invoice number). So you can also apply the buyer country's VAT percentage
manually. So, the inc.VAT amount would remain the same for all EU buyers but
on the backend you charge a different VAT percentage.
Also, I think the sales up to July don't count for the limit, so you still
have some time to use the old system (if not the full remainder of this year,
and a part of next year if your book year starts in January).
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This is exactly what I end up doing. Simply remove 21% dutch VAT for non-domestic
EU sales and readd the correct EU VAT myself. This means I'll lose a bit
on sales to countries with a higher VAT % and gain a little when the VAT % is
lower. At least then you can track sales with the correct VAT in your own book
keeping and report it at the end of the quarter.
OneStopShop is voluntary when below 10K but I already subscribed simply because
I don't want to have to start using all the different VAT percentages in
the middle of the quarter (when you're about to go over the threshold). And
when you already know you need to do it sooner or later, better do it from the
start.
So you need to work around it for now Most likely automate it, as it's
not funny doing this manually.
|
Yeah, besides the fluctuating turnover (which may or may not matter to a seller)
maybe Bricklink failure to fix this on time doesn't make that much of a difference?
I mean, you need to write your own invoices anyway, the only difference is you
cannot take the VAT amount as quoted by Bricklink, you have to calculate it by
yourself (in your own system/software/excel/etc).
But even if Bricklink had a functional setting to charge the correct VAT amount,
you'd still need to keep your own administration right: do your invoices
and keep track of how much you sold to which country (because I don't assume
Bricklink is going to offer some kind of report on this). So it seems to me it's
just the VAT field being filled with an incorrect VAT amount which you should
just ignore...
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There is another complication. We sell partly through the margin system. Margin
system articles do not fall under the new regulations.
But there is something else bothering me. Bricklink is now collectiong USA state
tax. And also for Britain it is collecting tax.
Because Bricklink is playing an active rol in the proces(it facilitates Paypal
payments) BRICKLINK is the one that has to collect European tax. And this might
result in the same situation as we now have for outside the EU.And how this works
with the margin regulations is a big question for me.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 06:56 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, kaat writes:
| | In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | Affected are all sellers in the EU that are over 10,000 €.
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Although there's no excuse for it not working, as far as I can see it doesn't
need to be a serious problem, right? I mean, you already had to do your invoicing
outside of Bricklink (if only for the fact the invoice on Bricklink cannot include
an invoice number). So you can also apply the buyer country's VAT percentage
manually. So, the inc.VAT amount would remain the same for all EU buyers but
on the backend you charge a different VAT percentage.
Also, I think the sales up to July don't count for the limit, so you still
have some time to use the old system (if not the full remainder of this year,
and a part of next year if your book year starts in January).
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This is exactly what I end up doing. Simply remove 21% dutch VAT for non-domestic
EU sales and readd the correct EU VAT myself. This means I'll lose a bit
on sales to countries with a higher VAT % and gain a little when the VAT % is
lower. At least then you can track sales with the correct VAT in your own book
keeping and report it at the end of the quarter.
OneStopShop is voluntary when below 10K but I already subscribed simply because
I don't want to have to start using all the different VAT percentages in
the middle of the quarter (when you're about to go over the threshold). And
when you already know you need to do it sooner or later, better do it from the
start.
So you need to work around it for now Most likely automate it, as it's
not funny doing this manually.
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Yeah, as I expected Bricklink to not comply with EU law to this date that is
what I thought to do too. Hope no worker from EU VAT compliance checks Bricklink's
big sellers and they don't display prices with the correct VAT...
Deep inside me I had still a bit of faith, but I don't know why...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Erikmax | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 07:06 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Stellar writes:
| | In Administrative, kaat writes:
| | In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | Affected are all sellers in the EU that are over 10,000 €.
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Although there's no excuse for it not working, as far as I can see it doesn't
need to be a serious problem, right? I mean, you already had to do your invoicing
outside of Bricklink (if only for the fact the invoice on Bricklink cannot include
an invoice number). So you can also apply the buyer country's VAT percentage
manually. So, the inc.VAT amount would remain the same for all EU buyers but
on the backend you charge a different VAT percentage.
Also, I think the sales up to July don't count for the limit, so you still
have some time to use the old system (if not the full remainder of this year,
and a part of next year if your book year starts in January).
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This is exactly what I end up doing. Simply remove 21% dutch VAT for non-domestic
EU sales and readd the correct EU VAT myself. This means I'll lose a bit
on sales to countries with a higher VAT % and gain a little when the VAT % is
lower. At least then you can track sales with the correct VAT in your own book
keeping and report it at the end of the quarter.
OneStopShop is voluntary when below 10K but I already subscribed simply because
I don't want to have to start using all the different VAT percentages in
the middle of the quarter (when you're about to go over the threshold). And
when you already know you need to do it sooner or later, better do it from the
start.
So you need to work around it for now Most likely automate it, as it's
not funny doing this manually.
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Yeah, as I expected Bricklink to not comply with EU law to this date that is
what I thought to do too. Hope no worker from EU VAT compliance checks Bricklink's
big sellers and they don't display prices with the correct VAT...
Deep inside me I had still a bit of faith, but I don't know why...
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And there is another point. What consequences will this have for the non-registered
sellers? I presume all files of export sales will now have to be handed over
to the taxman. I wonder what solutions Bricklink will have to tackle both the
margin regulations and the privat sellers.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 07:16 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Erikmax writes:
| | In Administrative, Stellar writes:
| | In Administrative, kaat writes:
| | In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | Affected are all sellers in the EU that are over 10,000 €.
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Although there's no excuse for it not working, as far as I can see it doesn't
need to be a serious problem, right? I mean, you already had to do your invoicing
outside of Bricklink (if only for the fact the invoice on Bricklink cannot include
an invoice number). So you can also apply the buyer country's VAT percentage
manually. So, the inc.VAT amount would remain the same for all EU buyers but
on the backend you charge a different VAT percentage.
Also, I think the sales up to July don't count for the limit, so you still
have some time to use the old system (if not the full remainder of this year,
and a part of next year if your book year starts in January).
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This is exactly what I end up doing. Simply remove 21% dutch VAT for non-domestic
EU sales and readd the correct EU VAT myself. This means I'll lose a bit
on sales to countries with a higher VAT % and gain a little when the VAT % is
lower. At least then you can track sales with the correct VAT in your own book
keeping and report it at the end of the quarter.
OneStopShop is voluntary when below 10K but I already subscribed simply because
I don't want to have to start using all the different VAT percentages in
the middle of the quarter (when you're about to go over the threshold). And
when you already know you need to do it sooner or later, better do it from the
start.
So you need to work around it for now Most likely automate it, as it's
not funny doing this manually.
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Yeah, as I expected Bricklink to not comply with EU law to this date that is
what I thought to do too. Hope no worker from EU VAT compliance checks Bricklink's
big sellers and they don't display prices with the correct VAT...
Deep inside me I had still a bit of faith, but I don't know why...
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And there is another point. What consequences will this have for the non-registered
sellers? I presume all files of export sales will now have to be handed over
to the taxman. I wonder what solutions Bricklink will have to tackle both the
margin regulations and the privat sellers.
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There is a little bit of a twist to that. Non registered sellers who do not offer
onsite payments cannot make sales to any one other than domestic and a few countries
where tax is not in situ.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 07:11 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Stellar writes:
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Yeah, as I expected Bricklink to not comply with EU law to this date that is
what I thought to do too. Hope no worker from EU VAT compliance checks Bricklink's
big sellers and they don't display prices with the correct VAT...
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I’m not sure that’s a big problem until the buyer checks out: when I go to amazon.de,
prices are shown with German VAT (19%) even though they know I’m in France, it’s
only at checkout that the VAT is changed to French VAT (20%).
So I guess it’s okay to use seller’s VAT rate for listings.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 07:53 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Administrative, Stellar writes:
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Yeah, as I expected Bricklink to not comply with EU law to this date that is
what I thought to do too. Hope no worker from EU VAT compliance checks Bricklink's
big sellers and they don't display prices with the correct VAT...
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I’m not sure that’s a big problem until the buyer checks out: when I go to amazon.de,
prices are shown with German VAT (19%) even though they know I’m in France, it’s
only at checkout that the VAT is changed to French VAT (20%).
So I guess it’s okay to use seller’s VAT rate for listings.
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Well, what you see is what you pay, so that part is still OK. The only mistake
is the message that states that prices in the store include "xx%" VAT, when really
it includes your domestic VAT percentage (assuming that what the seller will
do is take the inc.VAT amount and calculate the correct VAT out of that). So
at least for consumers, who don't care what percentage of what they pay is
VAT, it won't matter.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 08:02 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Teup writes:
| | In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Administrative, Stellar writes:
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Yeah, as I expected Bricklink to not comply with EU law to this date that is
what I thought to do too. Hope no worker from EU VAT compliance checks Bricklink's
big sellers and they don't display prices with the correct VAT...
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I’m not sure that’s a big problem until the buyer checks out: when I go to amazon.de,
prices are shown with German VAT (19%) even though they know I’m in France, it’s
only at checkout that the VAT is changed to French VAT (20%).
So I guess it’s okay to use seller’s VAT rate for listings.
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Well, what you see is what you pay, so that part is still OK.
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On BL, but not on Amazon: I paid more than what was first listed, because they
handle the VAT correctly: “included” means it’s added to the base price, not
“we have a final price and we calculate the base price depending on the VAT rate
you paid.”
As I said, the price changed at checkout. (And they charged me shipping too,
as I’m not in Germany… but it was still cheaper than amazon.fr with free shipping.)
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is the message that states that prices in the store include "xx%" VAT, when really
it includes your domestic VAT percentage (assuming that what the seller will
do is take the inc.VAT amount and calculate the correct VAT out of that). So
at least for consumers, who don't care what percentage of what they pay is
VAT, it won't matter.
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| | | | | Author: | pineBRICKS | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 03:39 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | | | Author: | Erikmax | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 07:22 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 91 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
My question is: VAT registered dealers may sell under what is called the margin
regulation. The margin articles do not fall under the new rules. So my question
is how Bricklink will handle sales of VAT registered dealers selling margin goods.
Or simply not adding a VAT number?
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| | | | | | | Author: | leggodtshop | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 09:43 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 102 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Erikmax writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
My question is: VAT registered dealers may sell under what is called the margin
regulation. The margin articles do not fall under the new rules. So my question
is how Bricklink will handle sales of VAT registered dealers selling margin goods.
Or simply not adding a VAT number?
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AFAIK you cannot sell margin goods in a store registed as VAT seller. BL will
charge VAT on them and you do not want that.
IMO there is just 1 solution for selling both margin and regular goods: 2 stores.
1 store registered with VAT id and selling regular goods
1 store not registered VAT and selling margin goods
clean and simple
however... does BL support 2 stores from the same seller?
I haven't asked so far because I sell margin only, so no need... but curious
though to know
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| | | | | Author: | SF1 | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 23:23 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
I am a NON-EU seller, and not quite understand the rule for import to EU
any restriction to us? and do we need to registered?
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| | | | | | | Author: | leggodtshop | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 23:30 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, SF1 writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
I am a NON-EU seller, and not quite understand the rule for import to EU
any restriction to us? and do we need to registered?
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You're not EU so VAT does not apply to you, no need to register. However,
EU-buyers ordering in your store might be charged VAT by BrickLink and BrickLink
will collect that VAT through the online payment.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SF1 | | Posted: | Jul 2, 2021 00:03 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
| | In Administrative, SF1 writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
I am a NON-EU seller, and not quite understand the rule for import to EU
any restriction to us? and do we need to registered?
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You're not EU so VAT does not apply to you, no need to register. However,
EU-buyers ordering in your store might be charged VAT by BrickLink and BrickLink
will collect that VAT through the online payment.
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Hihi
Very clear, but i have received an order over Euro 400, do i need to pay the
tax too?
I see there is no more interpreation if total amount over Eur 150.
Thanks and best regards
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | paulvdb | | Posted: | Jul 2, 2021 03:50 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, SF1 writes:
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Hihi
Very clear, but i have received an order over Euro 400, do i need to pay the
tax too?
I see there is no more interpreation if total amount over Eur 150.
Thanks and best regards
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If value is over EUR 150 the buyer will have to pay the VAT (and duties if applicable)
to the postal service (or another delivery service, for example DHL or UPS, depending
on how the seller ships the order).
For orders under EUR 150 only VAT needs to be paid which is easy to calculate,
but for higher order values duties may also need to be paid which are usually
not as easy to calculate by the marketplace or seller. That's why they are
only determined during customs processing which is handled by the postal/delivery
service. They will almost always also charge a handling fee for dealing with
the customs processing.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SF1 | | Posted: | Jul 2, 2021 03:54 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, paulvdb writes:
| | In Administrative, SF1 writes:
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Hihi
Very clear, but i have received an order over Euro 400, do i need to pay the
tax too?
I see there is no more interpreation if total amount over Eur 150.
Thanks and best regards
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If value is over EUR 150 the buyer will have to pay the VAT (and duties if applicable)
to the postal service (or another delivery service, for example DHL or UPS, depending
on how the seller ships the order).
For orders under EUR 150 only VAT needs to be paid which is easy to calculate,
but for higher order values duties may also need to be paid which are usually
not as easy to calculate by the marketplace or seller. That's why they are
only determined during customs processing which is handled by the postal/delivery
service. They will almost always also charge a handling fee for dealing with
the customs processing.
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Hihi, thanks for your explanation, it seems all tax fee will be charge to buyer...
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| | | | | Author: | coloredbricks | | Posted: | Jul 2, 2021 04:34 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Yesterday, July 1, I got an order from Poland, but in order details I still see
German, not Polish VAT: 19% instead of 23%. Isn't "EU Marketplace Tax Solution"
active?
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| | | | | | | Author: | kaat | | Posted: | Jul 2, 2021 04:45 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, legobasar writes:
| | Yesterday, July 1, I got an order from Poland, but in order details I still see
German, not Polish VAT: 19% instead of 23%. Isn't "EU Marketplace Tax Solution"
active?
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Unfortunately this is not yet implemented.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517
Quote:
**If seller exceeds distance selling threshold of €10,000, seller must collect
VAT from buyer.
This will be implemented at a later date.
For now, it will still use the VAT percentage from the seller and you will have
to "fix" this in your own book keeping. Or stay below 10K, because then you can
still use domestic VAT percentage.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Brick.Store. | | Posted: | Jul 2, 2021 05:14 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 109 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, kaat writes:
| | In Administrative, legobasar writes:
| | Yesterday, July 1, I got an order from Poland, but in order details I still see
German, not Polish VAT: 19% instead of 23%. Isn't "EU Marketplace Tax Solution"
active?
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Unfortunately this is not yet implemented.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517
Quote:
**If seller exceeds distance selling threshold of €10,000, seller must collect
VAT from buyer.
This will be implemented at a later date.
For now, it will still use the VAT percentage from the seller and you will have
to "fix" this in your own book keeping. Or stay below 10K, because then you can
still use domestic VAT percentage.
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It is a pity that it does not work yet.
It would be nice if someone from the responsible parties says something about
it, until when you can expect it!
Will it take another 1-2 weeks or a few months, etc.?
There are certainly genung dealers who are over 10,000€.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TDH_Bricks | | Posted: | Jul 7, 2021 07:12 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Brick.Store writes:
| | In Administrative, kaat writes:
| | In Administrative, legobasar writes:
| | Yesterday, July 1, I got an order from Poland, but in order details I still see
German, not Polish VAT: 19% instead of 23%. Isn't "EU Marketplace Tax Solution"
active?
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Unfortunately this is not yet implemented.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517
Quote:
**If seller exceeds distance selling threshold of €10,000, seller must collect
VAT from buyer.
This will be implemented at a later date.
For now, it will still use the VAT percentage from the seller and you will have
to "fix" this in your own book keeping. Or stay below 10K, because then you can
still use domestic VAT percentage.
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It is a pity that it does not work yet.
It would be nice if someone from the responsible parties says something about
it, until when you can expect it!
Will it take another 1-2 weeks or a few months, etc.?
There are certainly genung dealers who are over 10,000€.
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Hello,
can somebody from BL team tell us deadline (or plan) for implementation of using
Buyers VAT rate for EU intracommunity sales? It is frustrating to manually recalculate
and explain each invoice to EU Buyers.
Thank you.
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| | | | | Author: | DarioCruz | | Posted: | Jul 16, 2021 10:03 | | Subject: | Re: New EU Marketplace Tax Solution is Now Live | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Good afternoon
Could someone tell me which invoicing software is compatible with bricklink to
be able to invoice Vat.
Thanks
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USA, California
Spain, Comunidad Valenciana
Germany, Saarland
Netherlands, Utrecht
United Kingdom, England
France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
Hong Kong
Czech Republic, Královéhradecký Kraj
Portugal