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| | | Author: | grimsbricksuk  | | Posted: | Jun 29, 2021 17:09 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 522c Black Minifigure Cape Cloth, Standard - Shiny Starched Fabric - Height 3.9 cm
* Add 1 Part 522 Black Minifigure Cape Cloth, Standard - Traditional Starched Fabric - Height 4 cm (22231)
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| | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2021 07:13 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, grimsbricksuk writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 522c Black Minifigure Cape Cloth, Standard - Shiny Starched Fabric - Height 3.9 cm
* Add 1 Part 522 Black Minifigure Cape Cloth, Standard - Traditional Starched Fabric - Height 4 cm (22231)
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Interesting, just yesterday I was wondering if 522c is really the correct variant
here. We cannot ask the original submitter anymore, but based on several review
photos of the set I agree that the capes look more like 522.
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| | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2021 09:59 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, grimsbricksuk writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 522c Black Minifigure Cape Cloth, Standard - Shiny Starched Fabric - Height 3.9 cm
* Add 1 Part 522 Black Minifigure Cape Cloth, Standard - Traditional Starched Fabric - Height 4 cm (22231)
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Interesting, just yesterday I was wondering if 522c is really the correct variant
here. We cannot ask the original submitter anymore, but based on several review
photos of the set I agree that the capes look more like 522.
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I am curious how you can tell the difference without a direct comparison. Did
LEGO really switch back to the original after the variant was added so long ago?
I haven't been actively working on new sets so I don't know for myself.
Keep in mind that the 'shiny' in the name of 522c only indicates that
there is a light sheen to the fabric by comparison to 522. It is not reflective
or actually shiny.
Thanks!
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2021 11:14 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | But maybe that's not correct and we have an even bigger mess with them?
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Yes, it is a mess. I started to look into it and gave up.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2021 12:31 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
Yes, I will create some images. I recall the differences were well documented
here on the Forum when the variant was reported with Loki:
But that conversation is long gone. The differences are slight, but the new variant
was added to stave off future problems with people claiming the newer one was
a fake.
My suspicion is that all capes since 2016 are likely 522c and that the word 'shiny'
in the description caused people to choose the older variant. I was actively
confirming the part while I was inventory admin, but a few seem to have slipped
through since then.  Like I said, I could be wrong about this as I haven't
opened a lot of new sets lately.
The conversation about this fig's cape centered on the color but there are
no comments on the simultaneous change in part number:
This part pretty much needs to be measured with a decent ruler to confirm which
variant it is. You could merge 522 and 522c and just add it to the list of unsplit
variants, but I think collectors will not like that very much.
I'll get to work on the images...
Thanks!
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2021 13:35 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| Here are a couple quick images. It's not a perfect comparison as the older
one is a bit creased. I will need to dig a bit deeper in my collection to find
a 522 that is fresh from its sleeve.
The top Red 522c cape is from:
It has a light sheen, feels thinner and less starched, is 39mm long, and the
part is cut with the weave on the bias. (diagonal)
The bottom Red 522 cape is an older variant. It has no sheen, feels quite starched,
is 40mm long, and the part is cut perpendicular to the weave.
Just to add more confusion: there is one more variant unpictured. A 522 which
has a light sheen, feels quite starched, is 40mm long, and is also cut on the
bias.
I will keep digging for fresh parts to create better comparison images.
My point is that it's best to tell the difference by measuring a flattened
cape and not from a video. The newer cape also weighs .01g less.
We should probably take a moment to fix the Shiny and Traditional terms on these
as they are very subjective. (I can practically hear Stormchaser right now insisting
on the better, more accurate terms.) 
Hope this helps!
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Kesleyk | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2021 14:14 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jennnifer writes:
| | Here are a couple quick images. It's not a perfect comparison as the older
one is a bit creased. I will need to dig a bit deeper in my collection to find
a 522 that is fresh from its sleeve.
The top Red 522c cape is from:
It has a light sheen, feels thinner and less starched, is 39mm long, and the
part is cut with the weave on the bias. (diagonal)
The bottom Red 522 cape is an older variant. It has no sheen, feels quite starched,
is 40mm long, and the part is cut perpendicular to the weave.
Just to add more confusion: there is one more variant unpictured. A 522 which
has a light sheen, feels quite starched, is 40mm long, and is also cut on the
bias.
I will keep digging for fresh parts to create better comparison images.
My point is that it's best to tell the difference by measuring a flattened
cape and not from a video. The newer cape also weighs .01g less.
We should probably take a moment to fix the Shiny and Traditional terms on these
as they are very subjective. (I can practically hear Stormchaser right now insisting
on the better, more accurate terms.)
Hope this helps!
Jen
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You are amazing, thank you! It would be great if these could be included in
the description (either in addition to, or instead of "shiny").
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 03:27 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jennnifer writes:
| | Here are a couple quick images. It's not a perfect comparison as the older
one is a bit creased. I will need to dig a bit deeper in my collection to find
a 522 that is fresh from its sleeve.
The top Red 522c cape is from:
It has a light sheen, feels thinner and less starched, is 39mm long, and the
part is cut with the weave on the bias. (diagonal)
The bottom Red 522 cape is an older variant. It has no sheen, feels quite starched,
is 40mm long, and the part is cut perpendicular to the weave.
Just to add more confusion: there is one more variant unpictured. A 522 which
has a light sheen, feels quite starched, is 40mm long, and is also cut on the
bias.
I will keep digging for fresh parts to create better comparison images.
My point is that it's best to tell the difference by measuring a flattened
cape and not from a video. The newer cape also weighs .01g less.
We should probably take a moment to fix the Shiny and Traditional terms on these
as they are very subjective. (I can practically hear Stormchaser right now insisting
on the better, more accurate terms.)
Hope this helps!
Jen
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Yes it definitely helps, many thanks! I have ordered a new set with a black cape
so we will see how it looks like.
Btw. catalog discussions are not purged anymore nowadays.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 09:05 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| | | In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
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I am aware. You are literally talking to the girl who got that done back in
the day.
Has this been extended to all catalog discussion topics and not just Change Requests?
The purged discussion was not attached to a request which is why it's long
gone.
Regarding these changes:
Are you going to leave these changes in place while you investigate the capes?
Many sellers have these minifigs for sale and could now be accused of having
the wrong part. I believe it would be best to confirm right away that this change
was initiated by someone who had the parts in hand and can confirm the differences.
Also, it's entirely possible that if the older 4mm capes ARE back in service,
that they are alternate parts. There are many aspects of this change request
that concern me!!
Thanks for looking into this,
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 10:06 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jennnifer writes:
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| | Btw. catalog discussions are not purged anymore nowadays.
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I am aware. You are literally talking to the girl who got that done back in
the day.
Has this been extended to all catalog discussion topics and not just Change Requests?
The purged discussion was not attached to a request which is why it's long
gone.
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Yep, all catalog discussions (exept Packing Dimensions and Catalog Identification)
are now "suggestions" and won't be purged anymore. Russell made the changes
last week. So hopefully we won't loose important catalog discussions anymore.
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Regarding these changes:
Are you going to leave these changes in place while you investigate the capes?
Many sellers have these minifigs for sale and could now be accused of having
the wrong part. I believe it would be best to confirm right away that this change
was initiated by someone who had the parts in hand and can confirm the differences.
Also, it's entirely possible that if the older 4mm capes ARE back in service,
that they are alternate parts. There are many aspects of this change request
that concern me!!
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The black cape is included in four Star Wars minifigs from 2020:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=522&in=A&itemYear=2020&colorID=11&ov=Y
I find it hard to believe that two of them came with 522 and the other two had
522c. (As said, 522 and 522c have the same PCC). So it is possible two of them
have been wrong since the beginning anyway and now, they are either all wrong
or all correct. I asked the submitter of the requests to help us with this.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | grimsbricksuk | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 10:29 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| Initially I had noticed there were only two SW minifigs that had the 522c (shiny
cape) in their inventory, which I thought was strange. So I checked my collection
(having owned all Star Wars minifigs which are taken from new sets) to compare
the capes that came within the Cantina set for the Labria (sw1126) & Garindan
(sw1127) minifigs.
Having compared their capes to many other recent SW minifigs I found no difference
in either size or texture between them & came to the conclusion that whoever
initially inventoried the two Cantina minifigs must of mistakenly assigned cape
522c.
In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jennnifer writes:
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I am aware. You are literally talking to the girl who got that done back in
the day.
Has this been extended to all catalog discussion topics and not just Change Requests?
The purged discussion was not attached to a request which is why it's long
gone.
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Yep, all catalog discussions (exept Packing Dimensions and Catalog Identification)
are now "suggestions" and won't be purged anymore. Russell made the changes
last week. So hopefully we won't loose important catalog discussions anymore.
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Regarding these changes:
Are you going to leave these changes in place while you investigate the capes?
Many sellers have these minifigs for sale and could now be accused of having
the wrong part. I believe it would be best to confirm right away that this change
was initiated by someone who had the parts in hand and can confirm the differences.
Also, it's entirely possible that if the older 4mm capes ARE back in service,
that they are alternate parts. There are many aspects of this change request
that concern me!!
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The black cape is included in four Star Wars minifigs from 2020:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=522&in=A&itemYear=2020&colorID=11&ov=Y
I find it hard to believe that two of them came with 522 and the other two had
522c. (As said, 522 and 522c have the same PCC). So it is possible two of them
have been wrong since the beginning anyway and now, they are either all wrong
or all correct. I asked the submitter of the requests to help us with this.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 10:46 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, grimsbricksuk writes:
| | Initially I had noticed there were only two SW minifigs that had the 522c (shiny
cape) in their inventory, which I thought was strange. So I checked my collection
(having owned all Star Wars minifigs which are taken from new sets) to compare
the capes that came within the Cantina set for the Labria (sw1126) & Garindan
(sw1127) minifigs.
Having compared their capes to many other recent SW minifigs I found no difference
in either size or texture between them & came to the conclusion that whoever
initially inventoried the two Cantina minifigs must of mistakenly assigned cape
522c.
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Thanks for clarifying your request! You have confirmed that the recent capes
are the same, which is good, now we just need to know which type they all are.
I think it's pretty clear now that the capes need to be confirmed by measuring
and comparing with a known 522. And by that, I mean one that came out before
2016.
There has definitely been confusion caused by the term 'shiny' here.
I can easily see how a few capes could have been mistakenly listed.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | grimsbricksuk | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 11:03 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| It’s fair to presume that all capes produced within the last few years are the
slightly shorther, thinner texture ones. However, as the difference is so subtle
(& not obvious to most people), I believe that 522c should be merged into 522
& removed from the catalog entirely to avoid any further confusion.
In Inventories Requests, jennnifer writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, grimsbricksuk writes:
| | Initially I had noticed there were only two SW minifigs that had the 522c (shiny
cape) in their inventory, which I thought was strange. So I checked my collection
(having owned all Star Wars minifigs which are taken from new sets) to compare
the capes that came within the Cantina set for the Labria (sw1126) & Garindan
(sw1127) minifigs.
Having compared their capes to many other recent SW minifigs I found no difference
in either size or texture between them & came to the conclusion that whoever
initially inventoried the two Cantina minifigs must of mistakenly assigned cape
522c.
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Thanks for clarifying your request! You have confirmed that the recent capes
are the same, which is good, now we just need to know which type they all are.
I think it's pretty clear now that the capes need to be confirmed by measuring
and comparing with a known 522. And by that, I mean one that came out before
2016.
There has definitely been confusion caused by the term 'shiny' here.
I can easily see how a few capes could have been mistakenly listed.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 11:20 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, grimsbricksuk writes:
| | It’s fair to presume that all capes produced within the last few years are the
slightly shorther, thinner texture ones. However, as the difference is so subtle
(& not obvious to most people), I believe that 522c should be merged into 522
& removed from the catalog entirely to avoid any further confusion.
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That's very valid and should be considered. When I added the variant to the
catalog, there was no other good way to document that the part had been slightly
changed. Also, some collectors were VERY much for the new version being split
from the old.
I am fine with either solution as long as the recent 522 listings are all reconfirmed
and correct.
Thanks for being part of the discussion!
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 10:51 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
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Yep, all catalog discussions (exept Packing Dimensions and Catalog Identification)
are now "suggestions" and won't be purged anymore. Russell made the changes
last week. So hopefully we won't loose important catalog discussions anymore.
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That's great! Thanks for sharing this info.
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Regarding these changes:
Are you going to leave these changes in place while you investigate the capes?
Many sellers have these minifigs for sale and could now be accused of having
the wrong part. I believe it would be best to confirm right away that this change
was initiated by someone who had the parts in hand and can confirm the differences.
Also, it's entirely possible that if the older 4mm capes ARE back in service,
that they are alternate parts. There are many aspects of this change request
that concern me!!
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The black cape is included in four Star Wars minifigs from 2020:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=522&in=A&itemYear=2020&colorID=11&ov=Y
I find it hard to believe that two of them came with 522 and the other two had
522c. (As said, 522 and 522c have the same PCC). So it is possible two of them
have been wrong since the beginning anyway and now, they are either all wrong
or all correct. I asked the submitter of the requests to help us with this.
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Let me know if there is anything I can help with...
This is starting to sound to me like a great excuse to finally get a copy of
that gorgeous Cantina set.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | taxan | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 11:52 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jennnifer writes:
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| | Btw. catalog discussions are not purged anymore nowadays.
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I am aware. You are literally talking to the girl who got that done back in
the day.
Has this been extended to all catalog discussion topics and not just Change Requests?
The purged discussion was not attached to a request which is why it's long
gone.
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Yep, all catalog discussions (exept Packing Dimensions and Catalog Identification)
are now "suggestions" and won't be purged anymore. Russell made the changes
last week. So hopefully we won't loose important catalog discussions anymore.
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Regarding these changes:
Are you going to leave these changes in place while you investigate the capes?
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| | | | Many sellers have these minifigs for sale and could now be accused of having
the wrong part. I believe it would be best to confirm right away that this change
was initiated by someone who had the parts in hand and can confirm the differences.
Also, it's entirely possible that if the older 4mm capes ARE back in service,
that they are alternate parts. There are many aspects of this change request
that concern me!!
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The black cape is included in four Star Wars minifigs from 2020:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=522&in=A&itemYear=2020&colorID=11&ov=Y
I find it hard to believe that two of them came with 522 and the other two had
522c. (As said, 522 and 522c have the same PCC). So it is possible two of them
have been wrong since the beginning anyway and now, they are either all wrong
or all correct. I asked the submitter of the requests to help us with this.
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From the catalog pictures i say...
Looks to have a special on. It have white fiber in it. It's the
c version.
Is the c version
and
Looks to be the old version.
The way to tell them apart is:
That the old version is cut with the fiber in + position and the c version in
the x position. I cant confirm this do i don't own both version.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 12:37 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, taxan writes:
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The way to tell them apart is:
That the old version is cut with the fiber in + position and the c version in
the x position. I cant confirm this do i don't own both version.
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I am sorry, but I do not believe this correct. There are both 40mm and 39mm versions
that are cut on the bias (fiber in the x position), so it is not possible to
tell the difference from a minifig image or video.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 11:18 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jennnifer writes:
| | The bottom Red 522 cape is an older variant. It has no sheen, feels quite starched,
is 40mm long, and the part is cut perpendicular to the weave.
Just to add more confusion: there is one more variant unpictured. A 522 which
has a light sheen, feels quite starched, is 40mm long, and is also cut on the
bias.
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I wonder if these are actually variants - it could be that to waste as little
fabric as possible, some capes are cut on the bias. If the shape approximates
a triangle with angles 45°, 67.5°, 67.5°, then 8 capes could be cut from a circle
of fabric, and four of these would be cut on the bias
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| In Inventories Requests, peregrinator writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jennnifer writes:
| | The bottom Red 522 cape is an older variant. It has no sheen, feels quite starched,
is 40mm long, and the part is cut perpendicular to the weave.
Just to add more confusion: there is one more variant unpictured. A 522 which
has a light sheen, feels quite starched, is 40mm long, and is also cut on the
bias.
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I wonder if these are actually variants - it could be that to waste as little
fabric as possible, some capes are cut on the bias. If the shape approximates
a triangle with angles 45°, 67.5°, 67.5°, then 8 capes could be cut from a circle
of fabric, and four of these would be cut on the bias
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That's an interesting speculation! It's too bad we don't know anyone
at the LEGO group who could add some insight to our conversation.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2021 11:57 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jennnifer writes:
| | I recall the differences were well documented here on the Forum when the variant was reported with Loki:
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| | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2021 07:46 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifigure sw1126 | | Viewed: | 91 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, grimsbricksuk writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 522c Black Minifigure Cape Cloth, Standard - Shiny Starched Fabric - Height 3.9 cm
* Add 1 Part 522 Black Minifigure Cape Cloth, Standard - Traditional Starched Fabric - Height 4 cm (22231)
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Small update on this topic:
Together with Elena (msSquirrel) I found out that the cape in
(which comes in sets 75296, 75302, and 76395) is definitely the 3.9 cm variant.
I also prepared two more comparison images for the entries 522 and 522c to show
the difference. I think we should get rid of the "Shiny" and "Traditional" descriptions.
Yes, the material is slightly different, but to determine the cape type it is
much better to just measure them than to "feel" the difference.
Now the next step is to find out which variant is actually included in
and
Is anyone out there who has these sets with original capes and would measure
them for us?
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United Kingdom, England
Germany, Niedersachsen
USA, Illinois
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Sweden, Västernorrland
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