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 Author: primadeluxe View Messages Posted By primadeluxe
 Posted: Jul 10, 2020 08:41
 Subject: With and without groove in one set
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primadeluxe (433)

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In a sealed set 4203 I found the red 44301 with and without groove. Is it normal
to have different variations of one part in one set? Should it be noted or is
the Undetermined Type in the inventory enough?
 Author: BricksThatStick View Messages Posted By BricksThatStick
 Posted: Jul 10, 2020 08:54
 Subject: Re: With and without groove in one set
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In Catalog, primadeluxe writes:
  In a sealed set 4203 I found the red 44301 with and without groove. Is it normal
to have different variations of one part in one set? Should it be noted or is
the Undetermined Type in the inventory enough?

A sealed set sounds like a strong case to remove the undetermined type and add
what you actually found as regular and alternate parts
 Author: Brickitty View Messages Posted By Brickitty
 Posted: Jul 10, 2020 12:43
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In Catalog, primadeluxe writes:
  In a sealed set 4203 I found the red 44301 with and without groove. Is it normal
to have different variations of one part in one set? Should it be noted or is
the Undetermined Type in the inventory enough?

Yes, it's normal. I just opened hundreds of sealed sets from 2015-2017 and
another few dozen individual sealed bags from 2005-2018. Not only is it normal
to have groove/no groove differences in the same set, but it's also normal
for the proportion of them to vary between different copies of the same set,
even bought at the same place on the same day. Same for hollow stud/blocked open
stud on heads and certain other pieces, same for hollow/solid underside tubes
on bricks and plates, same for virtually every mold difference.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Jul 10, 2020 13:06
 Subject: Re: With and without groove in one set
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In Catalog, Brickitty writes:
  […]
Yes, it's normal. I just opened hundreds of sealed sets from 2015-2017 and
another few dozen individual sealed bags from 2005-2018. Not only is it normal
to have groove/no groove differences in the same set, but it's also normal
for the proportion of them to vary between different copies of the same set,
even bought at the same place on the same day. Same for hollow stud/blocked open
stud on heads and certain other pieces, same for hollow/solid underside tubes
on bricks and plates, same for virtually every mold difference.

Yep.  And BL’s inventories shouldn’t be read as “you either get N of this variant
or N of that one” but as “you N parts total, either of this or that variant.”
So each time there’s an Alternate for N parts, that means there are potentially
N+1 times more versions of the set.

Maybe something should be added to explaim that in https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562&q=Alternate#alternateItems
?
 Author: paulvdb View Messages Posted By paulvdb
 Posted: Jul 10, 2020 13:07
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In Catalog, primadeluxe writes:
  In a sealed set 4203 I found the red 44301 with and without groove. Is it normal
to have different variations of one part in one set? Should it be noted or is
the Undetermined Type in the inventory enough?

As others already mentioned, this is common with some part variants if borh were
in production at the same time. In such a case one of the variants should be
in the inventory as a regular and the other as an alternate.

Undetermined parts should be eliminated from inventories if we have evidence
for one or more specific variants in a set.
 Author: primadeluxe View Messages Posted By primadeluxe
 Posted: Jul 11, 2020 02:38
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OK, thanks to you all. So if I read it right, I should submit two red 44301a
as regular and two red 44301b as alternate and delete the two red 44301?

In Catalog, paulvdb writes:
  In Catalog, primadeluxe writes:
  In a sealed set 4203 I found the red 44301 with and without groove. Is it normal
to have different variations of one part in one set? Should it be noted or is
the Undetermined Type in the inventory enough?

As others already mentioned, this is common with some part variants if borh were
in production at the same time. In such a case one of the variants should be
in the inventory as a regular and the other as an alternate.

Undetermined parts should be eliminated from inventories if we have evidence
for one or more specific variants in a set.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
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In Catalog, primadeluxe writes:
  OK, thanks to you all. So if I read it right, I should submit two red 44301a
as regular and two red 44301b as alternate and delete the two red 44301?

Yep.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog, primadeluxe writes:
  OK, thanks to you all. So if I read it right, I should submit two red 44301a
as regular and two red 44301b as alternate and delete the two red 44301?

Yes, that is correct.

Could you also check and change the undetermined black hinge plates in the set?

 
Part No: 44301  Name: Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 1 Finger on End (Undetermined Type)
* 
44301 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 1 Finger on End (Undetermined Type)
Parts: Hinge {Black}
 
Part No: 44302  Name: Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End
* 
44302 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End
Parts: Hinge {Black}

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: primadeluxe View Messages Posted By primadeluxe
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Submitted the changes for the red 44301. I shall have a look at the black 44301
and 44302.

In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, primadeluxe writes:
  OK, thanks to you all. So if I read it right, I should submit two red 44301a
as regular and two red 44301b as alternate and delete the two red 44301?

Yes, that is correct.

Could you also check and change the undetermined black hinge plates in the set?

 
Part No: 44301  Name: Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 1 Finger on End (Undetermined Type)
* 
44301 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 1 Finger on End (Undetermined Type)
Parts: Hinge {Black}
 
Part No: 44302  Name: Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End
* 
44302 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End
Parts: Hinge {Black}

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: primadeluxe View Messages Posted By primadeluxe
 Posted: Jul 12, 2020 02:31
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All of them are with groove. I made a change request as you asked.

In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, primadeluxe writes:
  OK, thanks to you all. So if I read it right, I should submit two red 44301a
as regular and two red 44301b as alternate and delete the two red 44301?

Yes, that is correct.

Could you also check and change the undetermined black hinge plates in the set?

 
Part No: 44301  Name: Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 1 Finger on End (Undetermined Type)
* 
44301 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 1 Finger on End (Undetermined Type)
Parts: Hinge {Black}
 
Part No: 44302  Name: Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End
* 
44302 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End
Parts: Hinge {Black}

Cheers,
Randy