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| | | Author: | StormChaser  | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 03:51 | | Subject: | March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 212 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| At long last, it is time. By the end of March, my goal is to eliminate duplicate
catalog entries for sticker sheets:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=15
You can see that this has been moved from Section 11.1 to 11.2 on the roadmap:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours - especially those of you who've
given this some thought over the past decade or so that some of us have wanted
it.
Sticker sheets are handled quite consistently at the present moment. How can
we retain that consistency while eliminating duplicate entries with the least
amount of disruption?
As a side note, how do you feel about the NA/International duplicate entries?
These are the same sticker sheets, but have different item numbers, differently-sized
paper backing, and in some cases a slightly different finish (matte vs. glossy).
I don't want to get too distracted with this particular side discussion,
but do we need to maintain separate catalog entries for these sheets? Do you
want us to?
Looking forward to hearing some discussion and seeing some ideas other than my
own to get these duplicate entries handled.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 03:55 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | As a side note, how do you feel about the NA/International duplicate entries?
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See those here (along with some other kinds of sticker matches):
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=5&catID=160
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 04:01 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | At long last, it is time. By the end of March, my goal is to eliminate duplicate
catalog entries for sticker sheets:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=15
You can see that this has been moved from Section 11.1 to 11.2 on the roadmap:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours - especially those of you who've
given this some thought over the past decade or so that some of us have wanted
it.
Sticker sheets are handled quite consistently at the present moment. How can
we retain that consistency while eliminating duplicate entries with the least
amount of disruption?
As a side note, how do you feel about the NA/International duplicate entries?
These are the same sticker sheets, but have different item numbers, differently-sized
paper backing, and in some cases a slightly different finish (matte vs. glossy).
I don't want to get too distracted with this particular side discussion,
but do we need to maintain separate catalog entries for these sheets? Do you
want us to?
Looking forward to hearing some discussion and seeing some ideas other than my
own to get these duplicate entries handled.
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Personally, I'd like to see duplicates removed. If a sheet appears in one
set then call it "Sticker Sheet for 10001". If it then appears in another set,
call it "Sticker Sheet for 10001 10002". For NA/International sheets, a single
entry is fine for me unless there are actual differences in the stickers on the
sheet.
I'd also like to see the word sheet go in there, to indicate that these should
be sticker sheets as supplied by LEGO, and not stickers removed from sheets and
applied to parts. Plus while we are at it, incomplete sheets should not be allowed
to be listed under the complete sheet listing unless the system is changed to
allow incomplete items to be excluded from searches / price guide.
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| | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 04:15 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | At long last, it is time. By the end of March, my goal is to eliminate duplicate
catalog entries for sticker sheets:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=15
You can see that this has been moved from Section 11.1 to 11.2 on the roadmap:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours - especially those of you who've
given this some thought over the past decade or so that some of us have wanted
it.
Sticker sheets are handled quite consistently at the present moment. How can
we retain that consistency while eliminating duplicate entries with the least
amount of disruption?
As a side note, how do you feel about the NA/International duplicate entries?
These are the same sticker sheets, but have different item numbers, differently-sized
paper backing, and in some cases a slightly different finish (matte vs. glossy).
I don't want to get too distracted with this particular side discussion,
but do we need to maintain separate catalog entries for these sheets? Do you
want us to?
Looking forward to hearing some discussion and seeing some ideas other than my
own to get these duplicate entries handled.
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Many thanks for starting this! My preference would be to eliminate the NA/international
entries for consistency, maybe notes could be used to mention differences and
sellers could specifiy in listings if they wish. I'd also like to see used/incomplete
tags for part sheets, again where sellers specify in the listing what is actually
included or missing.
Robert
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 05:15 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | At long last, it is time. By the end of March, my goal is to eliminate duplicate
catalog entries for sticker sheets:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=15
You can see that this has been moved from Section 11.1 to 11.2 on the roadmap:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours - especially those of you who've
given this some thought over the past decade or so that some of us have wanted
it.
Sticker sheets are handled quite consistently at the present moment. How can
we retain that consistency while eliminating duplicate entries with the least
amount of disruption?
As a side note, how do you feel about the NA/International duplicate entries?
These are the same sticker sheets, but have different item numbers, differently-sized
paper backing, and in some cases a slightly different finish (matte vs. glossy).
I don't want to get too distracted with this particular side discussion,
but do we need to maintain separate catalog entries for these sheets? Do you
want us to?
Looking forward to hearing some discussion and seeing some ideas other than my
own to get these duplicate entries handled.
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Many thanks for starting this! My preference would be to eliminate the NA/international
entries for consistency, maybe notes could be used to mention differences and
sellers could specifiy in listings if they wish. I'd also like to see used/incomplete
tags for part sheets, again where sellers specify in the listing what is actually
included or missing.
Robert
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I think the same as Robert and yorbrick
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| | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 05:55 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | At long last, it is time. By the end of March, my goal is to eliminate duplicate
catalog entries for sticker sheets:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=15
You can see that this has been moved from Section 11.1 to 11.2 on the roadmap:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours - especially those of you who've
given this some thought over the past decade or so that some of us have wanted
it.
Sticker sheets are handled quite consistently at the present moment. How can
we retain that consistency while eliminating duplicate entries with the least
amount of disruption?
As a side note, how do you feel about the NA/International duplicate entries?
These are the same sticker sheets, but have different item numbers, differently-sized
paper backing, and in some cases a slightly different finish (matte vs. glossy).
I don't want to get too distracted with this particular side discussion,
but do we need to maintain separate catalog entries for these sheets? Do you
want us to?
Looking forward to hearing some discussion and seeing some ideas other than my
own to get these duplicate entries handled.
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As far as I know, all duplicate sticker sheets before 90s were exactly the same,
like
Match #602
So for those, the number of the relevent sets should appear in the name, like..
Sticker for Sets 1966, 6373, 6377, 6391 - Sheet 2, 5 White Window Stripes
but "Sheet 2,5" should then be removed.
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 05:56 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | At long last, it is time. By the end of March, my goal is to eliminate duplicate
catalog entries for sticker sheets:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=15
You can see that this has been moved from Section 11.1 to 11.2 on the roadmap:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours - especially those of you who've
given this some thought over the past decade or so that some of us have wanted
it.
Sticker sheets are handled quite consistently at the present moment. How can
we retain that consistency while eliminating duplicate entries with the least
amount of disruption?
As a side note, how do you feel about the NA/International duplicate entries?
These are the same sticker sheets, but have different item numbers, differently-sized
paper backing, and in some cases a slightly different finish (matte vs. glossy).
I don't want to get too distracted with this particular side discussion,
but do we need to maintain separate catalog entries for these sheets? Do you
want us to?
Looking forward to hearing some discussion and seeing some ideas other than my
own to get these duplicate entries handled.
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Are they still doing separate sheets for North America? It has been a while
since I have seen new ones, but maybe people stopped fussing with it? Or I got
numb?
I don't see a NEED for separate listings for NA on its face, but eliminating
them complicates my preferred solution to the other part, which is adopting the
5 digit number on the sheet as the item number. The name being "Sticker Sheet
for 40175 40176" may not get too cumbersome. I don't know how overused some
sheets are. But "40175-40176-40177stk01" is not a fun item number.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 06:39 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | I don't see a NEED for separate listings for NA on its face, but eliminating
them complicates my preferred solution to the other part, which is adopting the
5 digit number on the sheet as the item number. The name being "Sticker Sheet
for 40175 40176" may not get too cumbersome. I don't know how overused some
sheets are. But "40175-40176-40177stk01" is not a fun item number.
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Would the part number need to be that long if it is used that way? If it first
appeared in set 40175, call it 40175stk01. If it appears in lots of sets at the
same time, use the lowest set number.
Although I am not against using a number actually on the sheet to identify it,
it is often the first thing to type in if you are unsure of what you have. That
should also be searchable.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 07:02 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | At long last, it is time. By the end of March, my goal is to eliminate duplicate
catalog entries for sticker sheets:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=15
You can see that this has been moved from Section 11.1 to 11.2 on the roadmap:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours - especially those of you who've
given this some thought over the past decade or so that some of us have wanted
it.
Sticker sheets are handled quite consistently at the present moment. How can
we retain that consistency while eliminating duplicate entries with the least
amount of disruption?
As a side note, how do you feel about the NA/International duplicate entries?
These are the same sticker sheets, but have different item numbers, differently-sized
paper backing, and in some cases a slightly different finish (matte vs. glossy).
I don't want to get too distracted with this particular side discussion,
but do we need to maintain separate catalog entries for these sheets? Do you
want us to?
Looking forward to hearing some discussion and seeing some ideas other than my
own to get these duplicate entries handled.
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Are they still doing separate sheets for North America? It has been a while
since I have seen new ones, but maybe people stopped fussing with it? Or I got
numb?
I don't see a NEED for separate listings for NA on its face, but eliminating
them complicates my preferred solution to the other part, which is adopting the
5 digit number on the sheet as the item number. The name being "Sticker Sheet
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Well can't you add one number as the ID and the other to the alternate ID
as with some parts?
| | for 40175 40176" may not get too cumbersome. I don't know how overused some
sheets are. But "40175-40176-40177stk01" is not a fun item number.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 07:14 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Oh, yes!
In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | At long last, it is time. By the end of March, my goal is to eliminate duplicate
catalog entries for sticker sheets:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=15
You can see that this has been moved from Section 11.1 to 11.2 on the roadmap:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours - especially those of you who've
given this some thought over the past decade or so that some of us have wanted
it.
Sticker sheets are handled quite consistently at the present moment. How can
we retain that consistency while eliminating duplicate entries with the least
amount of disruption?
As a side note, how do you feel about the NA/International duplicate entries?
These are the same sticker sheets, but have different item numbers, differently-sized
paper backing, and in some cases a slightly different finish (matte vs. glossy).
I don't want to get too distracted with this particular side discussion,
but do we need to maintain separate catalog entries for these sheets? Do you
want us to?
Looking forward to hearing some discussion and seeing some ideas other than my
own to get these duplicate entries handled.
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Are they still doing separate sheets for North America? It has been a while
since I have seen new ones, but maybe people stopped fussing with it? Or I got
numb?
I don't see a NEED for separate listings for NA on its face, but eliminating
them complicates my preferred solution to the other part, which is adopting the
5 digit number on the sheet as the item number. The name being "Sticker Sheet
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Well can't you add one number as the ID and the other to the alternate ID
as with some parts?
| | for 40175 40176" may not get too cumbersome. I don't know how overused some
sheets are. But "40175-40176-40177stk01" is not a fun item number.
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| | | | | Author: | blockbuster | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 06:58 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Stating if the sheet is complete or incomplete would be useful for the price
guide.
Sticker sheets that appear in multiple sets are an issue possibly the number
should be the first set that used that sheet, any subsequent set that uses the
same sticker sheet could be referenced back to the first set or sheet number.
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| | | | | | | Author: | wahiggin | | Posted: | Mar 1, 2020 23:36 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, blockbuster writes:
| | Stating if the sheet is complete or incomplete would be useful for the price
guide.
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Nice idea
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| | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 07:57 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | At long last, it is time. By the end of March, my goal is to eliminate duplicate
catalog entries for sticker sheets:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=15
You can see that this has been moved from Section 11.1 to 11.2 on the roadmap:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours - especially those of you who've
given this some thought over the past decade or so that some of us have wanted
it.
Sticker sheets are handled quite consistently at the present moment. How can
we retain that consistency while eliminating duplicate entries with the least
amount of disruption?
As a side note, how do you feel about the NA/International duplicate entries?
These are the same sticker sheets, but have different item numbers, differently-sized
paper backing, and in some cases a slightly different finish (matte vs. glossy).
I don't want to get too distracted with this particular side discussion,
but do we need to maintain separate catalog entries for these sheets? Do you
want us to?
Looking forward to hearing some discussion and seeing some ideas other than my
own to get these duplicate entries handled.
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1) I wouldn't eliminate duplicates because it makes sense to have 4444stk01
and 4445stk01 even if they are the same.
2) No strong opinion on Intl/NA versions, but more inclined to lump them together
(as in don't mantain separate catalog entries).
3) Sticker shouldn't be a Part! In my opinion  Should be treated as Instructions
or Original Box.
4) Thank you!
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 08:28 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | 1) I wouldn't eliminate duplicates because it makes sense to have 4444stk01
and 4445stk01 even if they are the same.
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From a buyer's point of view, I don't think it does make sense. If a
sticker sheet has come in five different sets, then you have to look at five
different listings if you want to know the going price / best price or availability.
If you have one on a wants list then you might miss it completely in a store
if a seller has one of the other numbered but exactly the same sheets.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 08:38 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | 1) I wouldn't eliminate duplicates because it makes sense to have 4444stk01
and 4445stk01 even if they are the same.
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From a buyer's point of view, I don't think it does make sense. If a
sticker sheet has come in five different sets, then you have to look at five
different listings if you want to know the going price / best price or availability.
If you have one on a wants list then you might miss it completely in a store
if a seller has one of the other numbered but exactly the same sheets.
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Good point!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 08:49 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | From a buyer's point of view, I don't think it does make sense.
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Seller too. The going price for the same sticker might be higher on a different
listing and you might not even know.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 08:59 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | From a buyer's point of view, I don't think it does make sense.
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Seller too. The going price for the same sticker might be higher on a different
listing and you might not even know.
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Yes, true. It also increases the number of people looking for the one you list
as, although of course also increases the number of competitor sheets being sold.
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| | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 08:53 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=15 should all be merged.
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=5&catID=160
If the only difference with Intl/NA is the sheet number, then combine them. If
there is a difference, keep them separate.
I would also like that color be required for sticker sheets. And that it be based
on what the sticker is printed on. So, white, trans-clear, Chrome Silver, Chrome
Gold. it's useful for MOC builders.
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | At long last, it is time. By the end of March, my goal is to eliminate duplicate
catalog entries for sticker sheets:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=15
You can see that this has been moved from Section 11.1 to 11.2 on the roadmap:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours - especially those of you who've
given this some thought over the past decade or so that some of us have wanted
it.
Sticker sheets are handled quite consistently at the present moment. How can
we retain that consistency while eliminating duplicate entries with the least
amount of disruption?
As a side note, how do you feel about the NA/International duplicate entries?
These are the same sticker sheets, but have different item numbers, differently-sized
paper backing, and in some cases a slightly different finish (matte vs. glossy).
I don't want to get too distracted with this particular side discussion,
but do we need to maintain separate catalog entries for these sheets? Do you
want us to?
Looking forward to hearing some discussion and seeing some ideas other than my
own to get these duplicate entries handled.
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| | | | | | | Author: | paulvdb | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 08:59 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
I agree with all of this.
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| | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 09:12 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=15 should all be merged.
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=5&catID=160
If the only difference with Intl/NA is the sheet number, then combine them. If
there is a difference, keep them separate.
I would also like that color be required for sticker sheets. And that it be based
on what the sticker is printed on. So, white, trans-clear, Chrome Silver, Chrome
Gold. it's useful for MOC builders.
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | At long last, it is time. By the end of March, my goal is to eliminate duplicate
catalog entries for sticker sheets:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=15
You can see that this has been moved from Section 11.1 to 11.2 on the roadmap:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours - especially those of you who've
given this some thought over the past decade or so that some of us have wanted
it.
Sticker sheets are handled quite consistently at the present moment. How can
we retain that consistency while eliminating duplicate entries with the least
amount of disruption?
As a side note, how do you feel about the NA/International duplicate entries?
These are the same sticker sheets, but have different item numbers, differently-sized
paper backing, and in some cases a slightly different finish (matte vs. glossy).
I don't want to get too distracted with this particular side discussion,
but do we need to maintain separate catalog entries for these sheets? Do you
want us to?
Looking forward to hearing some discussion and seeing some ideas other than my
own to get these duplicate entries handled.
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I'm sure many here know, but for those that don't, Bret has specialized
in Lego sticker sales in the past, and has more knowledge on the topic than most.
A voice to listen to in this.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 12:39 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I will admit that that can be convenient at times.
In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | I would also like that color be required for sticker sheets. And that it be based
on what the sticker is printed on. So, white, trans-clear, Chrome Silver, Chrome
Gold. it's useful for MOC builders.
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Regarding listing these with color, one of the things we would lose by doing
it this way is the rather dependable position that sticker sheets occupy at the
top of the inventory.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | leopard37 | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 12:52 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | I would also like that color be required for sticker sheets. And that it be based
on what the sticker is printed on. So, white, trans-clear, Chrome Silver, Chrome
Gold. it's useful for MOC builders.
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Regarding listing these with color, one of the things we would lose by doing
it this way is the rather dependable position that sticker sheets occupy at the
top of the inventory.
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If they were as suggested, not a part any longer, that would not be an issue.
A dedicated section like instructions or sets... sticker sheets?
Or is this messing with the database and too much to accomplish?
Tyson.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 13:00 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
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Regarding listing these with color, one of the things we would lose by doing
it this way is the rather dependable position that sticker sheets occupy at the
top of the inventory.
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Only if you sort by colour first.
I guess most people don’t change the default sorting but it’s nonetheless a welcome
option.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 16:42 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I'll state the obvious: put the color in the description field, not the color
field.
Clear carrier
White carrier
Silver carrier
etc.
In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
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Regarding listing these with color, one of the things we would lose by doing
it this way is the rather dependable position that sticker sheets occupy at the
top of the inventory.
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Only if you sort by colour first.
I guess most people don’t change the default sorting but it’s nonetheless a welcome
option.
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| | | | | | | Author: | wahiggin | | Posted: | Mar 1, 2020 23:39 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | I would also like that color be required for sticker sheets. And that it be based
on what the sticker is printed on. So, white, trans-clear, Chrome Silver, Chrome
Gold. it's useful for MOC builders.
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Great idea. Starbeanie is THE sticker authority.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2020 13:14 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours
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Just for scale, and I probably should have included this in my original message,
here are the duplicate listings (not including NA/Int):
Sheet appears in 2 sets: 95 instances of occurrence
3 sets: 21
4 sets: 5
5 sets: 2
6 sets: 6
8 sets: 2
10 sets: 1
11 sets: 1
12 sets: 1
13 sets: 1
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| | | | | Author: | wahiggin | | Posted: | Mar 1, 2020 23:34 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Thanks for doing the cleanup and for asking about ideas. I think it would be
nice if a description of what is on the sticker sheet as part of each entry.
This one is really nice:
[p=SPACEstk03]
It would be great if this one said "United States and Three American Flags"
Wesley
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2020 07:25 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, wahiggin writes:
| | Thanks for doing the cleanup and for asking about ideas. I think it would be
nice if a description of what is on the sticker sheet as part of each entry.
This one is really nice:
[p=SPACEstk03]
It would be great if this one said "United States and Three American Flags"
Wesley
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You can submit a title change request here: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogReq.asp?itemType=P
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2020 08:40 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Another issue might be sticker sheets that come with gear sometimes have the
same numbers on different sheets. I guess these can have A's and B's
added if needed.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Mar 9, 2020 03:39 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear yours
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I'm still interested in hearing additional ideas on the best way to handle
this restructuring. As I said, I do have some ideas, but I'd rather hear
what others think first so that I'm not influencing opinions.
This is the question from my original post:
| | Sticker sheets are handled quite consistently at the present moment. How can we retain that consistency while eliminating duplicate entries with the least amount of disruption?
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I'll likely post back here within the next week with what I see as some of
our options so that we may discuss them.
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| | | | | Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | Mar 10, 2020 18:34 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I'd say get rid of the current numbering system and give the sticker sheets
the part number which is written on the sheet itself. Then put the set # into
the description.
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| | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Mar 11, 2020 00:41 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| that doesn't solve this problem. same sheet, different number
In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
| | I'd say get rid of the current numbering system and give the sticker sheets
the part number which is written on the sheet itself. Then put the set # into
the description.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 11, 2020 10:33 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Sure it does. You just add the second part number as an alternate item number
and put both Element IDs in two separate PCC slots. In this case, the vendor
number (the 140413A or 134071A) don't matter, but on some they will.
Cheers,
Randy
In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | that doesn't solve this problem. same sheet, different number
In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
| | I'd say get rid of the current numbering system and give the sticker sheets
the part number which is written on the sheet itself. Then put the set # into
the description.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2020 07:41 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | Sure it does. You just add the second part number as an alternate item number
and put both Element IDs in two separate PCC slots. In this case, the vendor
number (the 140413A or 134071A) don't matter, but on some they will.
Cheers,
Randy
In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | that doesn't solve this problem. same sheet, different number
In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
| | I'd say get rid of the current numbering system and give the sticker sheets
the part number which is written on the sheet itself. Then put the set # into
the description.
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Design ID for stickers is the one before the / and the one after is the item
number.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2020 11:50 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | Sure it does. You just add the second part number as an alternate item number
and put both Element IDs in two separate PCC slots. In this case, the vendor
number (the 140413A or 134071A) don't matter, but on some they will.
Cheers,
Randy
In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | that doesn't solve this problem. same sheet, different number
In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
| | I'd say get rid of the current numbering system and give the sticker sheets
the part number which is written on the sheet itself. Then put the set # into
the description.
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Design ID for stickers is the one before the / and the one after is the item
number.
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The BrickLink item number/part number (or LEGO Design ID) is the one before the
slash and the BrickLink PCC (or LEGO Element ID) is the one after the slash.
That is exactly what I said above in my statement.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2020 13:01 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | Sure it does. You just add the second part number as an alternate item number
and put both Element IDs in two separate PCC slots. In this case, the vendor
number (the 140413A or 134071A) don't matter, but on some they will.
Cheers,
Randy
In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | that doesn't solve this problem. same sheet, different number
In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
| | I'd say get rid of the current numbering system and give the sticker sheets
the part number which is written on the sheet itself. Then put the set # into
the description.
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Design ID for stickers is the one before the / and the one after is the item
number.
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The BrickLink item number/part number (or LEGO Design ID) is the one before the
slash and the BrickLink PCC (or LEGO Element ID) is the one after the slash.
That is exactly what I said above in my statement.
Cheers,
Randy
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Right Randy, I misread!
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2020 02:55 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Below are the issues additionally identified in this thread:
1. The word "Sheet" should be added to catalog entries.
I agree and we will make this part of the project. So all items will go from
"Sticker for Set" to "Sticker Sheet for Set."
2. Incomplete sticker sheets should not be allowed to be listed.
CAs cannot control this, nor can we force sellers to state if the sticker sheet
is complete or incomplete.
3. We should use the item number for sticker sheets instead of placing the
item number in the title.
Not a bad idea, but we're trying to accomplish this with as little disruption
as possible. This idea would require renumbering every single sticker sheet,
which is not feasible. Also, many early sticker sheets did not have an item
number, so this would be an inconsistent approach.
4. Sticker sheets should not be considered a part, but should instead be
tied to set entries like original boxes and set instructions are.
This idea would create problems because some sticker sheets appear in multiple
sets. Also, tying instructions and original boxes to set entries creates its
own problems. Also, this would require coding from the site and we know we won't
get that.
5. Background color should be required for sticker sheets.
For this, I don't think so. I get that it would be convenient for some users,
but our image scans of sticker sheets are continually improving. A proper scan
will show the background color and this is probably the best way to handle this
issue.
6. Sticker sheets should be titled with descriptions of most or all of the
stickers that appear thereon.
I agree that this would make searching easier, but it would also be fairly difficult
to accomplish properly with the system we now have. This isn't a bad idea,
but it would be more appropriate for some kind of tag system if we ever get it.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2020 03:18 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Here's my plan to handle the restructuring, which is a combination of ideas
from everyone:
For Existing Duplicate Catalog Entries:
1. Stickers that appear in multiple sets will have a new catalog entry
created. Then all existing duplicate entries will be merged into the new entry.
2. Item numbers for the new catalog entries will be formatted like this:
multistk001, multistk002, multistk003, etc.
3. Item titles for new entries will be formatted as follows. When the
sticker appears in three or fewer sets, then "Sticker Sheet for Multiple Sets
- 1001, 1002, 1003." When the sheet appears in more than three sets (there are
only 19 of these): "Sticker Sheet for Multiple Sets, Town, Fish and Coral."
4. N/A and International sticker sheet entries will be merged when there
are no apparent differences beyond the standard N/A / International differences.
5. Where significant differences exist between sticker sheets, such as
color differences in the stickers themselves, the duplicate entries will be retained.
For All Sticker Sheet Entries:
1. PCCs for all sticker sheets will be moved from the item title to the
PCC field. Item numbers will be retained in their current place in the titles.
2. Item titles for all sticker sheets will be changed from the format
"Sticker for Set" to "Sticker Sheet for Set."
If anyone has suggestions for this plan or sees where it may encounter problems,
please say something. Otherwise, we'll move into the action phase during
the upcoming week.
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2020 22:40 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | For All Sticker Sheet Entries:
1. PCCs for all sticker sheets will be moved from the item title to the
PCC field. Item numbers will be retained in their current place in the titles.
2. Item titles for all sticker sheets will be changed from the format
"Sticker for Set" to "Sticker Sheet for Set."
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We can get started on this now. I can add the word "Sheet" to titles administratively,
but there is no easy way to accomplish moving PCCs administratively. Assistance
with catalog change requests would be appreciated.
Please see the attached images. The first image shows how to move the PCC when
there is only one number in the title. If anyone disagrees with treating this
number as a PCC, then say something. The second image shows how to move the
PCC when there are two numbers in the title separated by a slash. The lengthier
number should be the PCC (ask if unsure in a specific instance).
For sticker sheets from roughly 1997-2014 PCCs were already moved, but they were
(most unfortunately) left in the titles. They still need to be removed from
titles. If the PCC has already been moved, you'll get the message shown
in the third image. In those cases, just remove the PCC from the title.
If you're not sure how this should be done properly, please ask for clarification
before proceeding to assist with these changes. The parts shown in the images
are linked for reference:
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2020 22:56 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
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Forgot to clarify: we're only changing parts that appear in a single set.
If the sticker sheet appears in more than one set, then ignore it for now.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2020 00:23 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | For All Sticker Sheet Entries:
1. PCCs for all sticker sheets will be moved from the item title to the
PCC field. Item numbers will be retained in their current place in the titles.
2. Item titles for all sticker sheets will be changed from the format
"Sticker for Set" to "Sticker Sheet for Set."
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We can get started on this now. I can add the word "Sheet" to titles administratively,
but there is no easy way to accomplish moving PCCs administratively. Assistance
with catalog change requests would be appreciated.
Please see the attached images. The first image shows how to move the PCC when
there is only one number in the title. If anyone disagrees with treating this
number as a PCC, then say something.
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I do! (hand in air)
I am not sure what this number is on these sheets. It could be an Element ID,
but maybe it isn't. I would rather us just move numbers to PCCs that we know
for sure are Element IDs. These would be the sticker sheets with a clear "Design
ID/Element ID" format on the sheets.
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2020 00:33 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Here's my plan to handle the restructuring, which is a combination of ideas
from everyone:
For Existing Duplicate Catalog Entries:
1. Stickers that appear in multiple sets will have a new catalog entry
created. Then all existing duplicate entries will be merged into the new entry.
2. Item numbers for the new catalog entries will be formatted like this:
multistk001, multistk002, multistk003, etc.
3. Item titles for new entries will be formatted as follows. When the
sticker appears in three or fewer sets, then "Sticker Sheet for Multiple Sets
- 1001, 1002, 1003." When the sheet appears in more than three sets (there are
only 19 of these): "Sticker Sheet for Multiple Sets, Town, Fish and Coral."
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Is there a reason why we can't have all the set numbers in the titles besides
the title length limitation? Since there are so few of these, I honestly don't
see why we would create two new naming conventions for these sheets that differ
from the convention used for all other sticker sheets. Also, since you are changing
the item numbers for these multi-set sticker sheets, it is probably more important
than ever to have the set numbers in the titles for search purposes. Using a
title like "Sticker Sheet for Multiple Sets, Town, Fish and Coral" does nothing
to help find this sticker sheet.
My suggestion is for one naming convention:
"Sticker Sheet for Set ..." for one-set sticker sheets and "Sticker Sheet for
Sets ..." for multi-set sticker sheets.
| | 4. N/A and International sticker sheet entries will be merged when there
are no apparent differences beyond the standard N/A / International differences.
5. Where significant differences exist between sticker sheets, such as
color differences in the stickers themselves, the duplicate entries will be retained.
For All Sticker Sheet Entries:
1. PCCs for all sticker sheets will be moved from the item title to the
PCC field. Item numbers will be retained in their current place in the titles.
2. Item titles for all sticker sheets will be changed from the format
"Sticker for Set" to "Sticker Sheet for Set."
If anyone has suggestions for this plan or sees where it may encounter problems,
please say something. Otherwise, we'll move into the action phase during
the upcoming week.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2020 10:35 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I agree. Having the set number in neither the part number or description will
make it harder to find.
In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Here's my plan to handle the restructuring, which is a combination of ideas
from everyone:
For Existing Duplicate Catalog Entries:
1. Stickers that appear in multiple sets will have a new catalog entry
created. Then all existing duplicate entries will be merged into the new entry.
2. Item numbers for the new catalog entries will be formatted like this:
multistk001, multistk002, multistk003, etc.
3. Item titles for new entries will be formatted as follows. When the
sticker appears in three or fewer sets, then "Sticker Sheet for Multiple Sets
- 1001, 1002, 1003." When the sheet appears in more than three sets (there are
only 19 of these): "Sticker Sheet for Multiple Sets, Town, Fish and Coral."
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Is there a reason why we can't have all the set numbers in the titles besides
the title length limitation? Since there are so few of these, I honestly don't
see why we would create two new naming conventions for these sheets that differ
from the convention used for all other sticker sheets. Also, since you are changing
the item numbers for these multi-set sticker sheets, it is probably more important
than ever to have the set numbers in the titles for search purposes. Using a
title like "Sticker Sheet for Multiple Sets, Town, Fish and Coral" does nothing
to help find this sticker sheet.
My suggestion is for one naming convention:
"Sticker Sheet for Set ..." for one-set sticker sheets and "Sticker Sheet for
Sets ..." for multi-set sticker sheets.
| | 4. N/A and International sticker sheet entries will be merged when there
are no apparent differences beyond the standard N/A / International differences.
5. Where significant differences exist between sticker sheets, such as
color differences in the stickers themselves, the duplicate entries will be retained.
For All Sticker Sheet Entries:
1. PCCs for all sticker sheets will be moved from the item title to the
PCC field. Item numbers will be retained in their current place in the titles.
2. Item titles for all sticker sheets will be changed from the format
"Sticker for Set" to "Sticker Sheet for Set."
If anyone has suggestions for this plan or sees where it may encounter problems,
please say something. Otherwise, we'll move into the action phase during
the upcoming week.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2020 23:07 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Restructuring | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
Just to let everyone know: this project has been placed on hold due to unforeseen
circumstances until April 5th, 2020.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Apr 3, 2020 00:18 | | Subject: | March Project - Sticker Sheet Final Update | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | By the end of March, my goal is to eliminate duplicate
catalog entries for sticker sheets:
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Just to keep everyone updated, this project ended today. The following changes
occurred as a result of this project:
1. The titles of all sticker sheets changed from "Sticker" to "Sticker Sheet."
This still needs to happen for sticker sheets in Gear.
2. A total of 133 stickers sheets were merged into 20 catalog entries. This
affected any sticker sheets appearing in more than three sets. For sheets appearing
in either 2 or 3 sets, the catalog will remain unchanged.
The side projects of eliminating NA/International sheets and of moving the string
of numbers out of title fields were not realized. And by not realized, I mean
that they will not occur.
Reply with any questions if you've got 'em. Otherwise, thank you all
for participating in the discussion.
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
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| | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Apr 3, 2020 09:08 | | Subject: | Re: March Project - Sticker Sheet Final Update | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| For people who had 2 stickers that were merged into 1, how was the selling price
determined?
I appreciate all the effort that was put into this.
I'm sorry that the NA/International merge will not be realized. There are
quite a few single entries that aren't designated as either but in fact have
multiple sheet number variations. I had hoped that with the merge being done
I wouldn't have to submit all the new ones and have the old ones renamed.
Particularly since most sheets have come this way for years and just haven't
been submitted.
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | By the end of March, my goal is to eliminate duplicate
catalog entries for sticker sheets:
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Just to keep everyone updated, this project ended today. The following changes
occurred as a result of this project:
1. The titles of all sticker sheets changed from "Sticker" to "Sticker Sheet."
This still needs to happen for sticker sheets in Gear.
2. A total of 133 stickers sheets were merged into 20 catalog entries. This
affected any sticker sheets appearing in more than three sets. For sheets appearing
in either 2 or 3 sets, the catalog will remain unchanged.
The side projects of eliminating NA/International sheets and of moving the string
of numbers out of title fields were not realized. And by not realized, I mean
that they will not occur.
Reply with any questions if you've got 'em. Otherwise, thank you all
for participating in the discussion.
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
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USA, Oklahoma
United Kingdom, England
Spain, Comunidad Valenciana
Canada, British Columbia
Portugal
Netherlands, Overijssel
France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
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