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| | | Author: | Graham.  | | Posted: | Dec 15, 2019 12:45 | | Subject: | Who now “owns” copyright? | | Viewed: | 373 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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This has probably been around before, my apologies!
Within international copyright law, i believe it states that copyright is automatically
vested in the creator. Unless rights are assigned (and/or reassigned) by contract.
Images supplied to BrickLink should be the property of the creator, however if
memory serves, BrickLink claimed copyright when BrickOwl emerged back in 2013.
Was copyright truly, legally transferred?
If so does LEGO group now own (or claim to own) said copyright?
OR do the individual creators of images still own Copyright?
Just curious, mostly interested in the images of minifigures being used and the
ability to use on eBay, individual stores own websites etc.
Thanks.
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Dec 15, 2019 13:53 | | Subject: | Re: Who now “owns” copyright? | | Viewed: | 97 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Thunor writes:
| | @Admin Russell
This has probably been around before, my apologies!
Within international copyright law, i believe it states that copyright is automatically
vested in the creator. Unless rights are assigned (and/or reassigned) by contract.
Images supplied to BrickLink should be the property of the creator, however if
memory serves, BrickLink claimed copyright when BrickOwl emerged back in 2013.
Was copyright truly, legally transferred?
If so does LEGO group now own (or claim to own) said copyright?
OR do the individual creators of images still own Copyright?
Just curious, mostly interested in the images of minifigures being used and the
ability to use on eBay, individual stores own websites etc.
Thanks.
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A very good question!
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1167843
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| | | | | | | Author: | Graham. | | Posted: | Dec 15, 2019 15:34 | | Subject: | Re: Who now “owns” copyright? | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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Interesting thanks!
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| | | | | Author: | 62Bricks | | Posted: | Dec 15, 2019 14:04 | | Subject: | Re: Who now “owns” copyright? | | Viewed: | 131 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Thunor writes:
| | @Admin Russell
This has probably been around before, my apologies!
Within international copyright law, i believe it states that copyright is automatically
vested in the creator. Unless rights are assigned (and/or reassigned) by contract.
Images supplied to BrickLink should be the property of the creator, however if
memory serves, BrickLink claimed copyright when BrickOwl emerged back in 2013.
Was copyright truly, legally transferred?
If so does LEGO group now own (or claim to own) said copyright?
OR do the individual creators of images still own Copyright?
Just curious, mostly interested in the images of minifigures being used and the
ability to use on eBay, individual stores own websites etc.
Thanks.
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You always own copyright of your own original content unless it's a work
for hire or you actually transfer ownership to someone else.
Bricklink's terms do not transfer ownership to Bricklink when you upload
content. You are just agreeing to give Bricklink license to use your content
- forever.
It's all spelled out in the terms of use. Just don't confuse ownership
with license.
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| | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Dec 15, 2019 17:25 | | Subject: | Re: Who now “owns” copyright? | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, Thunor writes:
| | @Admin Russell
This has probably been around before, my apologies!
Within international copyright law, i believe it states that copyright is automatically
vested in the creator. Unless rights are assigned (and/or reassigned) by contract.
Images supplied to BrickLink should be the property of the creator, however if
memory serves, BrickLink claimed copyright when BrickOwl emerged back in 2013.
Was copyright truly, legally transferred?
If so does LEGO group now own (or claim to own) said copyright?
OR do the individual creators of images still own Copyright?
Just curious, mostly interested in the images of minifigures being used and the
ability to use on eBay, individual stores own websites etc.
Thanks.
|
You always own copyright of your own original content unless it's a work
for hire or you actually transfer ownership to someone else.
Bricklink's terms do not transfer ownership to Bricklink when you upload
content. You are just agreeing to give Bricklink license to use your content
- forever.
It's all spelled out in the terms of use. Just don't confuse ownership
with license.
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So, you are saying that all the pictures of my old Lego sets that I licensed
to Peeron and Dan moved them to Bricklink, I could demand that Lego Group not
use them? (Whatever the answer is, there is no way to enforce that.)
John P
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 15, 2019 18:00 | | Subject: | Re: Who now “owns” copyright? | | Viewed: | 91 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, legoman77 writes:
| | So, you are saying that all the pictures of my old Lego sets that I licensed
to Peeron and Dan moved them to Bricklink, I could demand that Lego Group not
use them? (Whatever the answer is, there is no way to enforce that.)
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I wrote a long response, but deleted it. I'll give you the short answer
instead. The answer is no.
According to Peeron's TOS:
By submitting pictures, uploading files, inputting data, or engaging in any
other form of communication through this service, you are granting the Peeron.com
Website and its owners a perpetual, irrevocable, royalty- free, unrestricted,
non-exclusive, worldwide license to:
◦ Use, copy, publish, sublicense, adapt, transmit, archive, restore, publicly
perform, or display any such communication in any medium, and to
◦ Sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any or all of
the foregoing rights granted with respect to the communication.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Dec 15, 2019 18:32 | | Subject: | Re: Who now “owns” copyright? | | Viewed: | 104 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, legoman77 writes:
| | So, you are saying that all the pictures of my old Lego sets that I licensed
to Peeron and Dan moved them to Bricklink, I could demand that Lego Group not
use them? (Whatever the answer is, there is no way to enforce that.)
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I wrote a long response, but deleted it. I'll give you the short answer
instead. The answer is no.
According to Peeron's TOS:
By submitting pictures, uploading files, inputting data, or engaging in any
other form of communication through this service, you are granting the Peeron.com
Website and its owners a perpetual, irrevocable, royalty- free, unrestricted,
non-exclusive, worldwide license to:
◦ Use, copy, publish, sublicense, adapt, transmit, archive, restore, publicly
perform, or display any such communication in any medium, and to
◦ Sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any or all of
the foregoing rights granted with respect to the communication.
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Thank you. Not that I would or could object to their use, I just sit and wonder
about things a lot.
Short story:
I bought an old Lego display on ebay and it had the tag on it, and the tag was
shown in a picture. I got an email from a lawyer at Leg wanting it back. I
called the number and had an interesting discussion with the "lawyer." After
I basically said no way, she told me that as I am a collector and lover of Lego
(I didn't tell her about the Barbies)that I should return it to Lego. I
believe that they destroy store displays when they get them back. I was buying
thousands of dollars worth of Lego each month at that time and I called customer
service and they said they would check. Next day I got an email from the lawyer
saying never mind.
John P
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Dec 15, 2019 21:29 | | Subject: | Re: Who now “owns” copyright? | | Viewed: | 127 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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Location:  USA, California |
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| In Catalog, legoman77 writes:
| | Thank you. Not that I would or could object to their use, I just sit and wonder
about things a lot.
Short story:
I bought an old Lego display on ebay and it had the tag on it, and the tag was
shown in a picture. I got an email from a lawyer at Leg wanting it back. I
called the number and had an interesting discussion with the "lawyer." After
I basically said no way, she told me that as I am a collector and lover of Lego
(I didn't tell her about the Barbies)that I should return it to Lego. I
believe that they destroy store displays when they get them back. I was buying
thousands of dollars worth of Lego each month at that time and I called customer
service and they said they would check. Next day I got an email from the lawyer
saying never mind.
John P
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If there are images in the BrickLink catalog that you own the rights to, please
let us know and we will assign your username to them. In the early days of the
site, image attribution was apparently not as robust a practice as it is today,
so there are many images with "Admin" as the credit but they actually belong
to individual users.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Dec 15, 2019 22:05 | | Subject: | Re: Who now “owns” copyright? | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, legoman77 writes:
| | Thank you. Not that I would or could object to their use, I just sit and wonder
about things a lot.
Short story:
I bought an old Lego display on ebay and it had the tag on it, and the tag was
shown in a picture. I got an email from a lawyer at Leg wanting it back. I
called the number and had an interesting discussion with the "lawyer." After
I basically said no way, she told me that as I am a collector and lover of Lego
(I didn't tell her about the Barbies)that I should return it to Lego. I
believe that they destroy store displays when they get them back. I was buying
thousands of dollars worth of Lego each month at that time and I called customer
service and they said they would check. Next day I got an email from the lawyer
saying never mind.
John P
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If there are images in the BrickLink catalog that you own the rights to, please
let us know and we will assign your username to them. In the early days of the
site, image attribution was apparently not as robust a practice as it is today,
so there are many images with "Admin" as the credit but they actually belong
to individual users.
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It is not a big deal, but thank you. Dan and I did discuss it a very long time
ago and I was flattered he used them. I was just using them as an example. I
did a lot of inventories here or on Perron but someone else loaded them for
me and I told her to take credit. That seems so long ago. Peeron was a good
site. I was sorry to see it go.
John P
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Dec 16, 2019 04:03 | | Subject: | Re: Who now “owns” copyright? | | Viewed: | 85 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | I bought an old Lego display on ebay and it had the tag on it, and the tag was
shown in a picture. I got an email from a lawyer at Leg wanting it back. I
called the number and had an interesting discussion with the "lawyer." After
I basically said no way, she told me that as I am a collector and lover of Lego
(I didn't tell her about the Barbies)that I should return it to Lego. I
believe that they destroy store displays when they get them back. I was buying
thousands of dollars worth of Lego each month at that time and I called customer
service and they said they would check. Next day I got an email from the lawyer
saying never mind.
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Surely the onus would be on them to prove that you had received stolen goods.
Which would mean an entire investigation into how so many of these things had
escaped from destruction in the past. I know of store employees that were allowed
to take these things home - so managers and/or employees would have been breaking
LEGO's internal rules about their return.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Dec 15, 2019 21:21 | | Subject: | Re: Who now “owns” copyright? | | Viewed: | 128 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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BrickLink
ID CardAdmin_Russell
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| Location: USA, California |
| Member Since |
Contact |
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Admin |
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| BrickLink Administrator |
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| In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, Thunor writes:
| | @Admin Russell
This has probably been around before, my apologies!
Within international copyright law, i believe it states that copyright is automatically
vested in the creator. Unless rights are assigned (and/or reassigned) by contract.
Images supplied to BrickLink should be the property of the creator, however if
memory serves, BrickLink claimed copyright when BrickOwl emerged back in 2013.
Was copyright truly, legally transferred?
If so does LEGO group now own (or claim to own) said copyright?
OR do the individual creators of images still own Copyright?
Just curious, mostly interested in the images of minifigures being used and the
ability to use on eBay, individual stores own websites etc.
Thanks.
|
You always own copyright of your own original content unless it's a work
for hire or you actually transfer ownership to someone else.
Bricklink's terms do not transfer ownership to Bricklink when you upload
content. You are just agreeing to give Bricklink license to use your content
- forever.
It's all spelled out in the terms of use. Just don't confuse ownership
with license.
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This is my understanding of the situation as well.
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