Discussion Forum: Thread 256338

 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 04:52
 Subject: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 247 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Turez (37)

Location:  Germany, Niedersachsen
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 18, 2012 Contact Member Buyer
Buying Privileges - OK
Hi everyone,

is that really necessary? With these cardboard sleeves in inventories it is no
longer possible to see the complete part list at once. You always have to open
an extra inventory to look up what is inside the cardboard sleeve (or sometimes
even two or more extra inventories). Not very user-friendly, imho...

I also don't see a technical reason why cardboard sleeves should be part
of an inventory. They are not listed in official part lists and if they contain
more than one part, adding them will bring the piece count down.

Examples:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=60052-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=10220-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=41381-1

New guideline: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562#regularItems

Regards,
Jonas
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 05:18
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 70 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Hygrotus (811)

Location:  Poland, w. Wielkopolskie
Member Since Contact Type Status Collage
Feb 3, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
View Collage Pic
Store Closed Store: The Insect Store
BrickLink Catalog Associate (?)
In Inventories, Turez writes:
  Hi everyone,

is that really necessary? With these cardboard sleeves in inventories it is no
longer possible to see the complete part list at once. You always have to open
an extra inventory to look up what is inside the cardboard sleeve (or sometimes
even two or more extra inventories). Not very user-friendly, imho...

I also don't see a technical reason why cardboard sleeves should be part
of an inventory. They are not listed in official part lists and if they contain
more than one part, adding them will bring the piece count down.

Examples:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=60052-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=10220-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=41381-1

New guideline: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562#regularItems

Regards,
Jonas

And our suprise that we finally accepting these to the catalog has been spoiled

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=P&catString=1060&itemBrand=1000

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?

They were started to be add to the catalog on Aug 17, 2019
 Author: Hurt View Messages Posted By Hurt
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 05:23
 Subject: (Cancelled)
 Viewed: 40 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Hurt (268)

Location:  Austria, Wien
Member Since Contact Type Status
Aug 10, 2015 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: BricksHurt
(Cancelled)
 Author: TallyToyBricks View Messages Posted By TallyToyBricks
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 06:54
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 56 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

TallyToyBricks (2383)

Location:  USA, Florida
Member Since Contact Type Status
Feb 16, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Tally Toy LLC
Like other have stated, this is not a really good idea.

I ran into this issue last night while trying to lookup some unsorted parts.
It just adds more steps to find an item.

Is there any demand to purchase open, empty cardboard sleeves?

This gets to the whole issue of Bricklink as a commerce platform versus Bricklink
as the unofficial catalog of all things LEGO. Making the catalog side more complicated
(or less intuitive) does not help the commerce side. Perhaps the commerce side
should take precedence in these type of situations.

Joe
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 07:51
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 31 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

yorbrick (683)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
Member Since Contact Type Status
Apr 11, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Yorbricks
  Is there any demand to purchase open, empty cardboard sleeves?

I don't think you can buy the empty sleeve because as soon as you open it,
you have the parts inside but the sleeve itself is not in the inventory of the
sleeve. Just as a sprue contains parts on it but not the sprue itself, a sleeve
does not contain the sleeve once opened. There is no listing for the sleeve only,
only a full (unopened) sleeve.

However, I guess some sellers will open the sleeves to check the parts inside
and sell them as new with "opened" in the comments. Although I imagine the parts
will sell better than the parts in the sleeve*. It would also be possible to
list the sleeve with comments saying "no parts inside, just the sleeve" if someone
really wanted to sell just the sleeve.

* This is where there might be a problem for wants lists. I imagine most people
putting a set together want the parts, not the parts in the sleeves. However,
parting the set out to a wants list (or parting out when selling) defaults to
the user wanting the parts in a sleeve and so they may well miss sellers that
have the parts that they want as they don't have them in the sleeve. It is
the problem of having multiple entries for the same part (or parts) just differing
in whether they are in some sort of useless packaging.
 Author: Hurt View Messages Posted By Hurt
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 05:24
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 55 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Hurt (268)

Location:  Austria, Wien
Member Since Contact Type Status
Aug 10, 2015 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: BricksHurt
Wow, who thought that this is a good idea and why?

By the way - many sets came with labeled plastic bags (like "1", "2", "3", etc.)
- let's add them as well and move all parts that are in it to the bag item
instead of the set. But don't forget that there are even smaller bags in
the big bags, those need to be listed as well (inside the big bag, containing
the correct parts of course)!

Sorry, this is just ...
 Author: Hurt View Messages Posted By Hurt
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 05:46
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 40 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Hurt (268)

Location:  Austria, Wien
Member Since Contact Type Status
Aug 10, 2015 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: BricksHurt
   Sorry, this is just ...
 
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 05:34
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 50 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

yorbrick (683)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
Member Since Contact Type Status
Apr 11, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Yorbricks
In Inventories, Turez writes:
  Hi everyone,

is that really necessary? With these cardboard sleeves in inventories it is no
longer possible to see the complete part list at once. You always have to open
an extra inventory to look up what is inside the cardboard sleeve (or sometimes
even two or more extra inventories). Not very user-friendly, imho...

I also don't see a technical reason why cardboard sleeves should be part
of an inventory. They are not listed in official part lists and if they contain
more than one part, adding them will bring the piece count down.

Examples:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=60052-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=10220-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=41381-1

New guideline: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562#regularItems

Regards,
Jonas


There is also an issue with the naming. For example:

 
Part No: 4580966  Name: Cardboard Sleeve 4580966 with Contents
* 
4580966 (Inv) Cardboard Sleeve 4580966 with Contents
Parts: Cardboard Sleeve

is currently called "Cardboard Sleeve for Sets 60051, 60052". It has exactly
the same name as

 
Part No: 4580964  Name: Cardboard Sleeve 4580964 with Contents
* 
4580964 (Inv) Cardboard Sleeve 4580964 with Contents
Parts: Cardboard Sleeve

But what happens when more sets come along that use this sleeve? They need to
be added to the part description. Why not just call it "Cardboard Sleeve 4580966"
removing the set names?


 
Part No: 6049732  Name: Cardboard Sleeve 6049732 with Contents
* 
6049732 (Inv) Cardboard Sleeve 6049732 with Contents
Parts: Cardboard Sleeve

already has five set numbers in the name, what will the limit be? If it appears
in 100 sets, will they all be named in the description?


And isn't a natural extension of this to catalogue, for example, bag 1 from
set XXXX, bag 2 from set XXXX, and so on (where these bags do not contain any
minifigure parts)? After all, that is how LEGO supplies them in a set. They are
not individual parts in a box, they are multiple parts in a defined bag in a
box. How big does a bag have to be before it is no longer a multipack? So when
a set contains a small bag of 1x1 parts in a larger bag, is that now considered
a multipack or is it the parts in a bag?


And what about instructions when they are supplied with a sticker sheet inside
a polythene bag and a piece of card? Is that a cardboard sleeve / multipack or
just the instructions and a sticker sheet?
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 13:40
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 32 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

randyf (368)

Location:  USA, Ohio
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 16, 2009 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store Closed Store: The Bricking Spectre
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Inventories, yorbrick writes:

  But what happens when more sets come along that use this sleeve? They need to
be added to the part description. Why not just call it "Cardboard Sleeve 4580966"
removing the set names?

Thank you for this suggestion. We were trying to come up with a way to not have
to repeat information in the names, but I think this idea is the easiest solution.
We will have to come up with another way to track what sets these come in in
the meantime. I am guessing the additional notes for the sleeves will probably
be the way to go.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 14:12
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 31 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

yorbrick (683)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
Member Since Contact Type Status
Apr 11, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Yorbricks
In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, yorbrick writes:

  But what happens when more sets come along that use this sleeve? They need to
be added to the part description. Why not just call it "Cardboard Sleeve 4580966"
removing the set names?

Thank you for this suggestion. We were trying to come up with a way to not have
to repeat information in the names, but I think this idea is the easiest solution.
We will have to come up with another way to track what sets these come in in
the meantime. I am guessing the additional notes for the sleeves will probably
be the way to go.

Cheers,
Randy

If the actual parts in the sleeve are listed in the inventory and the (sealed)
sleeves are listed as an alternate for each of the sets they are in, won't
that information already be stored in the catalogue in a meaningful way? Then
someone can look up the number on the sleeve and search for it. It won't
be in any sets as a regular part but will be listed as an alternate for all the
sets it appears in. That way, the set numbers need not be kept in the title or
as additional notes.

Or have I totally misunderstood how alternates work?
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 14:38
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 38 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

randyf (368)

Location:  USA, Ohio
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 16, 2009 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store Closed Store: The Bricking Spectre
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
  In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, yorbrick writes:

  But what happens when more sets come along that use this sleeve? They need to
be added to the part description. Why not just call it "Cardboard Sleeve 4580966"
removing the set names?

Thank you for this suggestion. We were trying to come up with a way to not have
to repeat information in the names, but I think this idea is the easiest solution.
We will have to come up with another way to track what sets these come in in
the meantime. I am guessing the additional notes for the sleeves will probably
be the way to go.

Cheers,
Randy

If the actual parts in the sleeve are listed in the inventory and the (sealed)
sleeves are listed as an alternate for each of the sets they are in, won't
that information already be stored in the catalogue in a meaningful way? Then
someone can look up the number on the sleeve and search for it. It won't
be in any sets as a regular part but will be listed as an alternate for all the
sets it appears in. That way, the set numbers need not be kept in the title or
as additional notes.

Or have I totally misunderstood how alternates work?

Yes, you have misunderstood alternates. Alternate parts are parts that are completely
substituted for other parts in a set. These sleeves come in every set they came
in.

As Russell said, we will need to wait for new functionality before we can ever
add these to inventories in a meaningful way that makes it easy for sellers to
part them.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 15:06
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 36 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

yorbrick (683)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
Member Since Contact Type Status
Apr 11, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Yorbricks
In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
  In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, yorbrick writes:

  But what happens when more sets come along that use this sleeve? They need to
be added to the part description. Why not just call it "Cardboard Sleeve 4580966"
removing the set names?

Thank you for this suggestion. We were trying to come up with a way to not have
to repeat information in the names, but I think this idea is the easiest solution.
We will have to come up with another way to track what sets these come in in
the meantime. I am guessing the additional notes for the sleeves will probably
be the way to go.

Cheers,
Randy

If the actual parts in the sleeve are listed in the inventory and the (sealed)
sleeves are listed as an alternate for each of the sets they are in, won't
that information already be stored in the catalogue in a meaningful way? Then
someone can look up the number on the sleeve and search for it. It won't
be in any sets as a regular part but will be listed as an alternate for all the
sets it appears in. That way, the set numbers need not be kept in the title or
as additional notes.

Or have I totally misunderstood how alternates work?

Yes, you have misunderstood alternates. Alternate parts are parts that are completely
substituted for other parts in a set. These sleeves come in every set they came
in.

As Russell said, we will need to wait for new functionality before we can ever
add these to inventories in a meaningful way that makes it easy for sellers to
part them.

Cheers,
Randy

Sorry I got confused. I meant actually counterpart and not alternate.

So as an example could you have
 
Part No: 4580966  Name: Cardboard Sleeve 4580966 with Contents
* 
4580966 (Inv) Cardboard Sleeve 4580966 with Contents
Parts: Cardboard Sleeve

as a counterpart to having four of these
[x1687]

???

Of course, this doesn't meet the current definition of what a counterpart
is either - although in a way it does, if you open the sleeve then you have permanently
changed it. But this would mean listing the filled sleeve as the regular unperturbed
item and the four rods as counterparts (and what to do with the empty sleeve,
throw it away like an unused sprue?).

Again I may well have it wrong, as I tend to focus on which parts LEGO gives
us rather than how LEGO packages them in the box.

I can see it is a mess, trying to fit something new(ish) around existing rules
that were not put in place to do what is needed.



If you look up those axles you get told they are in 24 sets (and also 3 parts).
If I wanted to know which sets that axle came from I would naturally look at
the 24 sets but probably not look at the parts they come from. I wouldn't
find that they come in set 60051 when in reality they do.
 Author: paulvdb View Messages Posted By paulvdb
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 15:26
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 33 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

paulvdb (6420)

Location:  Netherlands, Overijssel
Member Since Contact Type Status
Nov 14, 2007 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Paul's Dutch Brick Store
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
  If you look up those axles you get told they are in 24 sets (and also 3 parts).
If I wanted to know which sets that axle came from I would naturally look at
the 24 sets but probably not look at the parts they come from. I wouldn't
find that they come in set 60051 when in reality they do.

That is actually not how the system works. If you look at the sets that these
axles come in it will still list 60051 among them even though the cardboard sleeve
is listed in the set inventory. See also other parts that are not listed individually
in set inventories but are on sprues or in multipacks. For example
 
Part No: 3742  Name: Plant Flower Small
* 
3742 Plant Flower Small
Parts: Plant
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 05:39
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 33 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

yorbrick (683)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
Member Since Contact Type Status
Apr 11, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Yorbricks
Also it seems parting out sets is now broken. Will there be an option added (like
break sets in set) to break parts in sleeves / multipacks? Selecting break sets
in set does not open up the multipacks or sleeves.

Try parting out a set, and the only option seems to be to list the sleeve, not
is what is actually in the sleeve. To list the parts you now need to do that
manually.

This is a really bad decision, Bricklink! BL should make things easier for sellers
to sell parts, not make it increasingly difficult.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 05:59
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 37 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

yorbrick (683)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
Member Since Contact Type Status
Apr 11, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Yorbricks
This will also screw about with the price guide and wants lists, with decisions
about how to sell the part in the sleeve.

Do you sell a single part in a cardboard sleeve or do you sell it as the part?
These are two different entries with two different price guides.

It is like sets that contain a single part or minifigure - just introducing more
difficulty for users to sell / find what they want.
 Author: mwright5 View Messages Posted By mwright5
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 07:55
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 41 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

mwright5 (1978)

Location:  USA, Virginia
Member Since Contact Type Status
Aug 28, 2015 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Brickwright Shop
In Inventories, Turez writes:
  Hi everyone,

is that really necessary? With these cardboard sleeves in inventories it is no
longer possible to see the complete part list at once. You always have to open
an extra inventory to look up what is inside the cardboard sleeve (or sometimes
even two or more extra inventories). Not very user-friendly, imho...

I also don't see a technical reason why cardboard sleeves should be part
of an inventory. They are not listed in official part lists and if they contain
more than one part, adding them will bring the piece count down.

Examples:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=60052-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=10220-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=41381-1

New guideline: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562#regularItems

Regards,
Jonas



Wow! Just seeing that cardboard cape boxes have been added to the catalog.
I usually would prefer to refrain from making a derogatory comment on something
so trivial, but I have to say, that is a new kind of stupid. Give me a break.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 08:16
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 36 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

yorbrick (683)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
Member Since Contact Type Status
Apr 11, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Yorbricks
  Wow! Just seeing that cardboard cape boxes have been added to the catalog.
I usually would prefer to refrain from making a derogatory comment on something
so trivial, but I have to say, that is a new kind of stupid. Give me a break.

It is truly bizarre. There is this sleeve, for example:

 
Part No: 6268510  Name: Cardboard Sleeve 6268510 with Contents
* 
6268510 (Inv) Cardboard Sleeve 6268510 with Contents
Parts: Cardboard Sleeve

which contains two minifigure capes. However, this sleeve which is called "Cardboard
Sleeve for Set 70837" doesn't actually appear in set 70837 since it contains
minifigure parts, which are listed with the minifigures. So we now have an entry
for a part that is not included in any sets and so is unlikely to ever be listed
in that way.

Then we have the same where the sleeves contain a single cape, for example:

 
Part No: 6259727  Name: Cardboard Sleeve 6259727 with Contents
* 
6259727 (Inv) Cardboard Sleeve 6259727 with Contents
Parts: Cardboard Sleeve

Again it doesn't belong to any sets despite the name, since it belongs to
a minifigure.

It seems to be a case of making a rule then insisting on sticking to it for all
parts and sets, no matter how stupid the application of the rule is.
 Author: mwright5 View Messages Posted By mwright5
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 15:39
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 33 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

mwright5 (1978)

Location:  USA, Virginia
Member Since Contact Type Status
Aug 28, 2015 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Brickwright Shop
In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
  
  Wow! Just seeing that cardboard cape boxes have been added to the catalog.
I usually would prefer to refrain from making a derogatory comment on something
so trivial, but I have to say, that is a new kind of stupid. Give me a break.

It is truly bizarre. There is this sleeve, for example:

 
Part No: 6268510  Name: Cardboard Sleeve 6268510 with Contents
* 
6268510 (Inv) Cardboard Sleeve 6268510 with Contents
Parts: Cardboard Sleeve

which contains two minifigure capes. However, this sleeve which is called "Cardboard
Sleeve for Set 70837" doesn't actually appear in set 70837 since it contains
minifigure parts, which are listed with the minifigures. So we now have an entry
for a part that is not included in any sets and so is unlikely to ever be listed
in that way.

Then we have the same where the sleeves contain a single cape, for example:

 
Part No: 6259727  Name: Cardboard Sleeve 6259727 with Contents
* 
6259727 (Inv) Cardboard Sleeve 6259727 with Contents
Parts: Cardboard Sleeve

Again it doesn't belong to any sets despite the name, since it belongs to
a minifigure.

It seems to be a case of making a rule then insisting on sticking to it for all
parts and sets, no matter how stupid the application of the rule is.


I've got a great idea! To follow suit, lets start cataloging and selling
the numbered plastic bags that the pieces come in in each box. Actually, why
stop there, lets catalog the empty collectible minifig poly bags too. After
all that's technically LEGO is it not? Give me a break!!!!!!!!!
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 15:52
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 56 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

randyf (368)

Location:  USA, Ohio
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 16, 2009 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store Closed Store: The Bricking Spectre
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Inventories, mwright5 writes:
  In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
  
  Wow! Just seeing that cardboard cape boxes have been added to the catalog.
I usually would prefer to refrain from making a derogatory comment on something
so trivial, but I have to say, that is a new kind of stupid. Give me a break.

It is truly bizarre. There is this sleeve, for example:

 
Part No: 6268510  Name: Cardboard Sleeve 6268510 with Contents
* 
6268510 (Inv) Cardboard Sleeve 6268510 with Contents
Parts: Cardboard Sleeve

which contains two minifigure capes. However, this sleeve which is called "Cardboard
Sleeve for Set 70837" doesn't actually appear in set 70837 since it contains
minifigure parts, which are listed with the minifigures. So we now have an entry
for a part that is not included in any sets and so is unlikely to ever be listed
in that way.

Then we have the same where the sleeves contain a single cape, for example:

 
Part No: 6259727  Name: Cardboard Sleeve 6259727 with Contents
* 
6259727 (Inv) Cardboard Sleeve 6259727 with Contents
Parts: Cardboard Sleeve

Again it doesn't belong to any sets despite the name, since it belongs to
a minifigure.

It seems to be a case of making a rule then insisting on sticking to it for all
parts and sets, no matter how stupid the application of the rule is.


I've got a great idea! To follow suit, lets start cataloging and selling
the numbered plastic bags that the pieces come in in each box. Actually, why
stop there, lets catalog the empty collectible minifig poly bags too. After
all that's technically LEGO is it not? Give me a break!!!!!!!!!

You do realize these catalog entries are for the sealed cardboard sleeves with
contents in them, right? Because I don't think you do...

- Randy
 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 08:38
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 40 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Turez (37)

Location:  Germany, Niedersachsen
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 18, 2012 Contact Member Buyer
Buying Privileges - OK
In Inventories, mwright5 writes:
  Wow! Just seeing that cardboard cape boxes have been added to the catalog.
I usually would prefer to refrain from making a derogatory comment on something
so trivial, but I have to say, that is a new kind of stupid. Give me a break.

I would not say that it is stupid to have catalog entries for the cardboard sleeves.
It may be helpful to have a reference for them. But adding the whole cardboard
sleeves to set inventories instead of the included parts is something completely
different.
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 09:21
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 44 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Hygrotus (811)

Location:  Poland, w. Wielkopolskie
Member Since Contact Type Status Collage
Feb 3, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
View Collage Pic
Store Closed Store: The Insect Store
BrickLink Catalog Associate (?)
In Inventories, Turez writes:
  I would not say that it is stupid to have catalog entries for the cardboard sleeves.
It may be helpful to have a reference for them.

And that was the idea to add them. We will be the only site which keeps their
references and documenting them.
 Author: hpoort View Messages Posted By hpoort
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 12:27
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 38 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

hpoort (383)

Location:  Netherlands, Groningen
Member Since Contact Type Status
Oct 11, 2014 Contact Member Buyer
Buying Privileges - OK
In Inventories, Turez writes:
  In Inventories, mwright5 writes:
  Wow! Just seeing that cardboard cape boxes have been added to the catalog.
I usually would prefer to refrain from making a derogatory comment on something
so trivial, but I have to say, that is a new kind of stupid. Give me a break.

I would not say that it is stupid to have catalog entries for the cardboard sleeves.
It may be helpful to have a reference for them. But adding the whole cardboard
sleeves to set inventories instead of the included parts is something completely
different.

Understanding the wish for (1) having the sleeves in the catalog and thus the
need to include the in inventories somehow, and (2) leaving the functionality
of the inventories as is, brings me to a simple alternate solution:

Add the sleeves as ALTERNATE to the inventories only.

Similar to
- a part with the sticker applied is alternate (as opposed to the stickersheet
and the plain part)
- a combination of parts that is hard to separate is alternate (as opposed
to the parts that make up the combination)
- the parts that are removed from a sprue (as opposed to the entire sprue)
and thus finally:
- a part still packed within the original sleeve (as opposed to the part without
packaging)

How about this alternative?


Hans-Peter
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 12:37
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 59 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Admin_Russell

Location:  USA, California
Member Since Contact Type Status
May 9, 2017 Contact Member Admin
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
BrickLink Administrator
In Inventories, hpoort writes:
  In Inventories, Turez writes:
  In Inventories, mwright5 writes:
  Wow! Just seeing that cardboard cape boxes have been added to the catalog.
I usually would prefer to refrain from making a derogatory comment on something
so trivial, but I have to say, that is a new kind of stupid. Give me a break.

I would not say that it is stupid to have catalog entries for the cardboard sleeves.
It may be helpful to have a reference for them. But adding the whole cardboard
sleeves to set inventories instead of the included parts is something completely
different.

Understanding the wish for (1) having the sleeves in the catalog and thus the
need to include the in inventories somehow, and (2) leaving the functionality
of the inventories as is, brings me to a simple alternate solution:

Add the sleeves as ALTERNATE to the inventories only.

This would fall under what is currently described as the counterpart section.
  
Similar to
- a part with the sticker applied is alternate (as opposed to the stickersheet
and the plain part)
- a combination of parts that is hard to separate is alternate (as opposed
to the parts that make up the combination)
- the parts that are removed from a sprue (as opposed to the entire sprue)
and thus finally:
- a part still packed within the original sleeve (as opposed to the part without
packaging)

How about this alternative?


Hans-Peter
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 12:18
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 79 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Admin_Russell

Location:  USA, California
Member Since Contact Type Status
May 9, 2017 Contact Member Admin
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
BrickLink Administrator
In Inventories, Turez writes:
  Hi everyone,

is that really necessary? With these cardboard sleeves in inventories it is no
longer possible to see the complete part list at once. You always have to open
an extra inventory to look up what is inside the cardboard sleeve (or sometimes
even two or more extra inventories). Not very user-friendly, imho...

I also don't see a technical reason why cardboard sleeves should be part
of an inventory. They are not listed in official part lists and if they contain
more than one part, adding them will bring the piece count down.

Examples:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=60052-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=10220-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=41381-1

New guideline: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562#regularItems

Regards,
Jonas

Folks, if anything is going to improve in the catalog, we need to give some freedom
and grace to our admins so they can try things out. I can understand if people
get frustrated when they find something has changed and it no longer works for
them, but please understand that we have the long-term interests of the site
in mind, and also that we can adjust and/or reverse any decision that is made.

Regarding these sleeves, we have needed to add them to the catalog for quite
a while now, because of the need to search by the number printed on the sleeve.
Strictly speaking, this is not a PCC, but it's still a number people can
use for reference. Specifically, we want to give the ability to sellers to sell
the parts in the sleeves without having to open the sleeves. The only way they
can do this is to have a reference database showing the contents of every sleeve.

Because our partout system is not yet capable of handling subparts, we're
probably not going to be able to add these sleeves to the regular section of
inventories. Maybe if we change the image and description we can do it, but right
now sellers will end up listing things in their store that buyers cannot identify.

Please have patience as we make some adjustments.
 Author: Proprietor View Messages Posted By Proprietor
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 12:53
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 46 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Proprietor (1620)

Location:  USA, New York
Member Since Contact Type Status Collage
Oct 18, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
View Collage Pic
Store: Lost & Found
In Inventories, Admin_Russell writes:
snip
  Because our partout system is not yet capable of handling subparts, we're
probably not going to be able to add these sleeves to the regular section of
inventories. Maybe if we change the image and description we can do it, but right
now sellers will end up listing things in their store that buyers cannot identify.

Please have patience as we make some adjustments.

And yet, inventories are being changed, and the sleeve is being added as a regular
item and its component parts deleted:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=10220-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 13:10
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 54 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Admin_Russell

Location:  USA, California
Member Since Contact Type Status
May 9, 2017 Contact Member Admin
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
BrickLink Administrator
In Inventories, Proprietor writes:
  In Inventories, Admin_Russell writes:
snip
  Because our partout system is not yet capable of handling subparts, we're
probably not going to be able to add these sleeves to the regular section of
inventories. Maybe if we change the image and description we can do it, but right
now sellers will end up listing things in their store that buyers cannot identify.

Please have patience as we make some adjustments.

And yet, inventories are being changed, and the sleeve is being added as a regular
item and its component parts deleted:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=10220-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1

Yes, there were a number of them done this way yesterday, but we'll probably
need to make an adjustment.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 13:15
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 29 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

yorbrick (683)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
Member Since Contact Type Status
Apr 11, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Yorbricks
  Because our partout system is not yet capable of handling subparts, we're
probably not going to be able to add these sleeves to the regular section of
inventories. Maybe if we change the image and description we can do it, but right
now sellers will end up listing things in their store that buyers cannot identify.

Too late, you are already doing it!

  Please have patience as we make some adjustments.

Why not get the partout system for sellers and buyers to handle it correctly,
then make the changes. As it is, anyone parting out a set with these sleeves
in needs to manually delete each sleeve from the part out, then go back and part
out any sleeves or similar.

Although from the comment above, I assume you don't know that these are already
being added as sleeves rather than as the component parts. If the sleeves are
added but not as regular parts, and the parts are still in the regular section,
then it is fine and easy to ignore. But that isn't the case.

Also parting out as a part doesn't work quite right. You have to select a
colour for the part to be able to part it out, even if you have already selected
Not Applicable as the colour on the part's page before parting out. So this
adds yet another click to the parting out a sleeve process.

Although shouldn't the colour of most of these sleeves be white rather than
not applicable? After all, they are white!
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 13:19
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 31 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

SezaR (161)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
Member Since Contact Type Status
Jan 15, 2015 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Sezar's trains
There are several catalog items created for one sticker sheet. For example
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=6391stk02#T=S&C=0&O={%22color%22:0,%22iconly%22:0}

Is there any plan to improve this too?


In Inventories, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Inventories, Turez writes:
  Hi everyone,

is that really necessary? With these cardboard sleeves in inventories it is no
longer possible to see the complete part list at once. You always have to open
an extra inventory to look up what is inside the cardboard sleeve (or sometimes
even two or more extra inventories). Not very user-friendly, imho...

I also don't see a technical reason why cardboard sleeves should be part
of an inventory. They are not listed in official part lists and if they contain
more than one part, adding them will bring the piece count down.

Examples:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=60052-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=10220-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=41381-1

New guideline: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562#regularItems

Regards,
Jonas

Folks, if anything is going to improve in the catalog, we need to give some freedom
and grace to our admins so they can try things out. I can understand if people
get frustrated when they find something has changed and it no longer works for
them, but please understand that we have the long-term interests of the site
in mind, and also that we can adjust and/or reverse any decision that is made.

Regarding these sleeves, we have needed to add them to the catalog for quite
a while now, because of the need to search by the number printed on the sleeve.
Strictly speaking, this is not a PCC, but it's still a number people can
use for reference. Specifically, we want to give the ability to sellers to sell
the parts in the sleeves without having to open the sleeves. The only way they
can do this is to have a reference database showing the contents of every sleeve.

Because our partout system is not yet capable of handling subparts, we're
probably not going to be able to add these sleeves to the regular section of
inventories. Maybe if we change the image and description we can do it, but right
now sellers will end up listing things in their store that buyers cannot identify.

Please have patience as we make some adjustments.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 13:35
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 36 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

randyf (368)

Location:  USA, Ohio
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 16, 2009 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store Closed Store: The Bricking Spectre
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Inventories, SezaR writes:
  There are several catalog items created for one sticker sheet. For example
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=6391stk02#T=S&C=0&O={%22color%22:0,%22iconly%22:0}

Is there any plan to improve this too?

In the future, yes.
 Author: TheBrickGuys View Messages Posted By TheBrickGuys
 Posted: Aug 23, 2019 17:34
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 47 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

TheBrickGuys (8798)

Location:  USA, California
Member Since Contact Type Status
Dec 18, 2010 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: TheBrickGuys
  
Folks, if anything is going to improve in the catalog, we need to give some freedom
and grace to our admins so they can try things out. I can understand if people
get frustrated when they find something has changed and it no longer works for
them, but please understand that we have the long-term interests of the site
in mind, and also that we can adjust and/or reverse any decision that is made.

Regarding these sleeves, we have needed to add them to the catalog for quite
a while now, because of the need to search by the number printed on the sleeve.
Strictly speaking, this is not a PCC, but it's still a number people can
use for reference. Specifically, we want to give the ability to sellers to sell
the parts in the sleeves without having to open the sleeves. The only way they
can do this is to have a reference database showing the contents of every sleeve.

Because our partout system is not yet capable of handling subparts, we're
probably not going to be able to add these sleeves to the regular section of
inventories. Maybe if we change the image and description we can do it, but right
now sellers will end up listing things in their store that buyers cannot identify.

Please have patience as we make some adjustments.

+1

I think this is a long time coming and a darn good add to the catalog. I hate
having to open the cardboard packages to know what is inside them.

Thank you for adding them and the hard work you guys are doing in regards to
things like this! Whenever changes are made there will always be a good number
of people who will hate the changes which I can respect to a degree for there
has been changes that took me a while to get used to but as mentioned, we need
to give some latitude to the people in charge of making these changes to see
what works and what does not and give constructive criticism and not just criticism.

Jim
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 13:31
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 56 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

randyf (368)

Location:  USA, Ohio
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 16, 2009 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store Closed Store: The Bricking Spectre
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Inventories, Turez writes:
  Hi everyone,

is that really necessary? With these cardboard sleeves in inventories it is no
longer possible to see the complete part list at once. You always have to open
an extra inventory to look up what is inside the cardboard sleeve (or sometimes
even two or more extra inventories). Not very user-friendly, imho...

I also don't see a technical reason why cardboard sleeves should be part
of an inventory. They are not listed in official part lists and if they contain
more than one part, adding them will bring the piece count down.

Examples:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=60052-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=10220-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=41381-1

New guideline: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562#regularItems

Regards,
Jonas

Wow, people will throw an instant tirade about any new idea we try out. It is
no wonder that the corporate BrickLink employees and developers don't want
to try anything new, either. Everything that is tried receives just whinging
and moaning from the user base. I think I now have a good idea about what drove
Jaclyn away from the site.

In any case, we have heard all of the feedback and will be reversing course on
the inventories. We had planned to make an announcement in a few days concerning
this to ask for feedback on what had been done, but we wanted stuff in place
for users to look at. So this thread was not a complete loss to us, but you did
jump the gun on us, Jonas.

Please bear with us as we work out the kinks.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 15:43
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 49 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Turez (37)

Location:  Germany, Niedersachsen
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 18, 2012 Contact Member Buyer
Buying Privileges - OK
In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, Turez writes:
  Hi everyone,

is that really necessary? With these cardboard sleeves in inventories it is no
longer possible to see the complete part list at once. You always have to open
an extra inventory to look up what is inside the cardboard sleeve (or sometimes
even two or more extra inventories). Not very user-friendly, imho...

I also don't see a technical reason why cardboard sleeves should be part
of an inventory. They are not listed in official part lists and if they contain
more than one part, adding them will bring the piece count down.

Examples:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=60052-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=10220-1
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=41381-1

New guideline: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562#regularItems

Regards,
Jonas

Wow, people will throw an instant tirade about any new idea we try out. It is
no wonder that the corporate BrickLink employees and developers don't want
to try anything new, either. Everything that is tried receives just whinging
and moaning from the user base. I think I now have a good idea about what drove
Jaclyn away from the site.

In any case, we have heard all of the feedback and will be reversing course on
the inventories. We had planned to make an announcement in a few days concerning
this to ask for feedback on what had been done, but we wanted stuff in place
for users to look at. So this thread was not a complete loss to us, but you did
jump the gun on us, Jonas.

Please bear with us as we work out the kinks.

Cheers,
Randy

Hi Randy, hi everyone,

I'm sorry I preempted your planned announcement. But since you have chosen
some pretty recent or popular sets (like the VW Bus), I'm quite sure someone
else would have asked soon about these changes if I had not started the discussion.

To explain the situation from my point of view: I saw the new catalog entries
for the cardboard sleeves a few days ago. No announcement, but I didn't think
much of it. However yesterday, I was surprised to see that they started to appear
in many inventories very quickly. I checked the inventory guidelines and found
the new rule for cardboard sleeves. Again: No announcement, no explanation
or something like this. So I just wanted to share my opinion and explained why
I thought these changes are not a very good idea.

Of course I am not generally against new ideas and of course you can test and
try everything you want - but it would be very helpful to announce it before
major changes are visible in the catalog. Otherwise you have to accept that someone
will ask about them.

  In any case, we have heard all of the feedback and will be reversing course on
the inventories.

Thanks, that's what I wanted to hear.

Regards,
Jonas
 Author: JulieK View Messages Posted By JulieK
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 20:25
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 41 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

JulieK (7810)

Location:  USA, Illinois
Member Since Contact Type Status
Jun 19, 2000 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store Closed Store: ChicagoBrickyard
In Inventories, randyf writes:

  In any case, we have heard all of the feedback and will be reversing course on
the inventories. We had planned to make an announcement in a few days concerning
this to ask for feedback on what had been done, but we wanted stuff in place
for users to look at. So this thread was not a complete loss to us, but you did
jump the gun on us, Jonas.

Please bear with us as we work out the kinks.

Cheers,
Randy

Why not treat the sleeves like the rubber band holders? List them as extra items.
No harm, no foul, imo.
 
Part No: 41753  Name: Rubber Band / Belt Holder 2 x 6 x 2 1/3
* 
41753 Rubber Band / Belt Holder 2 x 6 x 2 1/3
Parts: Rubber Band & Belt
 Author: tEoS View Messages Posted By tEoS
 Posted: Aug 20, 2019 23:41
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 48 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

tEoS (4960)

Location:  USA, Michigan
Member Since Contact Type Status
Dec 24, 2002 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: The Elements Of Surprise
I like the idea of adding and inventorying these boxes (especially the ones w/o
a peek hole), though I wish it could have been done years ago. Still, as they
say, better late than never.

  Wow, people will throw an instant tirade about any new idea we try out. It is
no wonder that the corporate BrickLink employees and developers don't want
to try anything new, either. Everything that is tried receives just whinging
and moaning from the user base. I think I now have a good idea about what drove
Jaclyn away from the site.

In any case, we have heard all of the feedback and will be reversing course on
the inventories. We had planned to make an announcement in a few days concerning
this to ask for feedback on what had been done, but we wanted stuff in place
for users to look at. So this thread was not a complete loss to us, but you did
jump the gun on us, Jonas.

Please bear with us as we work out the kinks.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: LordSkylark View Messages Posted By LordSkylark
 Posted: Aug 27, 2019 03:22
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 34 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

LordSkylark (10586)

Location:  USA, Michigan
Member Since Contact Type Status
May 4, 2003 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Light of the World
In Inventories, tEoS writes:
  I like the idea of adding and inventorying these boxes (especially the ones w/o
a peek hole), though I wish it could have been done years ago. Still, as they
say, better late than never.

  Wow, people will throw an instant tirade about any new idea we try out. It is
no wonder that the corporate BrickLink employees and developers don't want
to try anything new, either. Everything that is tried receives just whinging
and moaning from the user base. I think I now have a good idea about what drove
Jaclyn away from the site.

In any case, we have heard all of the feedback and will be reversing course on
the inventories. We had planned to make an announcement in a few days concerning
this to ask for feedback on what had been done, but we wanted stuff in place
for users to look at. So this thread was not a complete loss to us, but you did
jump the gun on us, Jonas.

Please bear with us as we work out the kinks.

Cheers,
Randy

I've glad that they not have catalog entries of their own.
The only way it will work in actually set inventories, is if there is a way to
part down parts in sets easily. If so, I think it would be good.
 Author: BasKrie View Messages Posted By BasKrie
 Posted: Aug 21, 2019 05:18
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 54 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

BasKrie (3701)

Location:  Netherlands, Drenthe
Member Since Contact Type Status
Dec 5, 2014 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: BasKrie
In Inventories, randyf writes:

  Wow, people will throw an instant tirade about any new idea we try out. It is
no wonder that the corporate BrickLink employees and developers don't want
to try anything new, either. Everything that is tried receives just whinging
and moaning from the user base. I think I now have a good idea about what drove
Jaclyn away from the site.

Cheers,
Randy

Hi Randy,

The problem is that it was not just an idea you were trying out.
It started to be implemented without notification or explanation and caused issues
for sellers and buyers.
A user had to find out and made a comment about it.
Most of the 'whining and moaning' from the user base, not just to this
'idea' but more in general, is about not communicating to said user base.
Time and time again the user base is confronted with changes that are not always
understood and/or apreciated. In some cases the user base does not even understand
why something needs to be changed, beacause it is not allways clear what the
benefit of it is.
And as Russel said, it gives a problem in the part-out system which will have
to be fixed, someday (if ever), and that also is a point for concern.
Many things on Bricklink have been broken and a fix is never heard of. So introducing
a new idea while older broken things don't get fixed is a very big issue
for the user base.
And I know that you can't fix the broken things, but do understand that for
me (as a user) it is very annoying to see.
Russel stated that is was good for the future of Bricklink, but there are so
many things, that if ain't fixed are quite damaging for the Bricklink future
that it's sometimes better not to introduce something new before something
old is working in good order.

Regards,
Bas
 Author: uvt203 View Messages Posted By uvt203
 Posted: Aug 21, 2019 07:12
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 46 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

uvt203 (8722)

Location:  Denmark
Member Since Contact Type Status
Oct 4, 2005 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: ASAP-Asgers Sets And Parts
In Inventories, BasKrie writes:
  In Inventories, randyf writes:

  Wow, people will throw an instant tirade about any new idea we try out. It is
no wonder that the corporate BrickLink employees and developers don't want
to try anything new, either. Everything that is tried receives just whinging
and moaning from the user base. I think I now have a good idea about what drove
Jaclyn away from the site.

Cheers,
Randy

Hi Randy,

The problem is that it was not just an idea you were trying out.
It started to be implemented without notification or explanation and caused issues
for sellers and buyers.
A user had to find out and made a comment about it.
Most of the 'whining and moaning' from the user base, not just to this
'idea' but more in general, is about not communicating to said user base.
Time and time again the user base is confronted with changes that are not always
understood and/or apreciated. In some cases the user base does not even understand
why something needs to be changed, beacause it is not allways clear what the
benefit of it is.
And as Russel said, it gives a problem in the part-out system which will have
to be fixed, someday (if ever), and that also is a point for concern.
Many things on Bricklink have been broken and a fix is never heard of. So introducing
a new idea while older broken things don't get fixed is a very big issue
for the user base.
And I know that you can't fix the broken things, but do understand that for
me (as a user) it is very annoying to see.
Russel stated that is was good for the future of Bricklink, but there are so
many things, that if ain't fixed are quite damaging for the Bricklink future
that it's sometimes better not to introduce something new before something
old is working in good order.

Regards,
Bas

+1
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Aug 21, 2019 13:41
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 75 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

randyf (368)

Location:  USA, Ohio
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 16, 2009 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store Closed Store: The Bricking Spectre
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Inventories, BasKrie writes:
  In Inventories, randyf writes:

  Wow, people will throw an instant tirade about any new idea we try out. It is
no wonder that the corporate BrickLink employees and developers don't want
to try anything new, either. Everything that is tried receives just whinging
and moaning from the user base. I think I now have a good idea about what drove
Jaclyn away from the site.

Cheers,
Randy

Hi Randy,

The problem is that it was not just an idea you were trying out.

Actually, yes it was. We were trying it out for an entire total of two days.

  It started to be implemented without notification or explanation and caused issues
for sellers and buyers.

We were implementing changes so that the user base would have something to comment
on when the idea was communicated to the user base in a couple of days. That
got sidetracked because someone noticed they were being added to the catalog
after one day. As I said, not a big deal, because we got the feedback we were
looking for earlier than planned and have made significant changes already. Also,
it had yet to cause any problems for anyone. The people that were testing the
idea came up with great constructive feedback on what was happening behind the
scenes, and that feedback was very welcomed (especially from member yorbrick).

  A user had to find out and made a comment about it.

A user found out while the idea was being tested in the first two days. An announcement
was planned for today or tomorrow once the initial work was done. So, a total
of maybe four days from initial work to completion of testing work to communicating
with the user base for feedback. A pretty short timetable that was interrupted
by a user that was "snooping" around.

  Most of the 'whining and moaning' from the user base, not just to this
'idea' but more in general, is about not communicating to said user base.

Did I mention the communication part was coming within a day or two? And am I
or Marek or Russell not communicating now? Do not confuse the BrickLink corporate
lack of communication with the volunteer admins who communicate very regularly.
Just have a search through the forums and you will see that the volunteer admins
are very present and remain accountable to the users here.

  Time and time again the user base is confronted with changes that are not always
understood and/or apreciated. In some cases the user base does not even understand
why something needs to be changed, beacause it is not allways clear what the
benefit of it is.

For this, it would have all been explained in our announcement message that did
not get a chance to materialize due to someone interrupting the process.

  And as Russel said, it gives a problem in the part-out system which will have
to be fixed, someday (if ever), and that also is a point for concern.

Yeah, we heard that. That is why things have already been rolled back due to
the feedback. I took almost three hours of my personal time last night doing
this by myself ASAP. See, us volunteer admins can get stuff done quickly, unlike
the corporate employees. We also take the feedback we get seriously and try to
work with everyone as best we can as we try to add new things to the catalog.

  Many things on Bricklink have been broken and a fix is never heard of. So introducing
a new idea while older broken things don't get fixed is a very big issue
for the user base.

The volunteer admins have no choice but to move forward with ideas that are needed
for the catalog. We have the time and energy to try and make positive changes
for the user base. The corporate side does not. Eventually, the corporate side
will catch up (from things I have started to hear), but us volunteers have no
say and no way to do what is necessary to the code. We work in the systems we
have.

  And I know that you can't fix the broken things, but do understand that for
me (as a user) it is very annoying to see.

I am sorry to hear you say that. I am also annoyed at the lack of support that
I and the other volunteer admins get from corporate.

  Russel stated that is was good for the future of Bricklink, but there are so
many things, that if ain't fixed are quite damaging for the Bricklink future
that it's sometimes better not to introduce something new before something
old is working in good order.

I agree, but once again, the volunteer admins have the time and energy to try
to do things that help the user base even if the corporate side does not keep
up. We will keep trying new ideas, also, as the Catalog Roadmap lays out:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476

Remember, this isn't a developer roadmap. It is a roadmap for things that
the volunteer admins can do and solve.

  Regards,
Bas

Thanks for your comments.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: Leftoverbricks View Messages Posted By Leftoverbricks
 Posted: Aug 21, 2019 14:24
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 53 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Leftoverbricks (1391)

Location:  Netherlands, Overijssel
Member Since Contact Type Status
Mar 11, 2012 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Leftoverbricks
Best reply ever! Thank you so much for this!
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Aug 21, 2019 16:13
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 48 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

yorbrick (683)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
Member Since Contact Type Status
Apr 11, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Yorbricks
  A user found out while the idea was being tested in the first two days. An announcement
was planned for today or tomorrow once the initial work was done. So, a total
of maybe four days from initial work to completion of testing work to communicating
with the user base for feedback. A pretty short timetable that was interrupted
by a user that was "snooping" around.

  For this, it would have all been explained in our announcement message that did
not get a chance to materialize due to someone interrupting the process.

  Yeah, we heard that. That is why things have already been rolled back due to
the feedback. I took almost three hours of my personal time last night doing
this by myself ASAP. See, us volunteer admins can get stuff done quickly, unlike
the corporate employees. We also take the feedback we get seriously and try to
work with everyone as best we can as we try to add new things to the catalog.

  The volunteer admins have no choice but to move forward with ideas that are needed
for the catalog. We have the time and energy to try and make positive changes
for the user base. The corporate side does not. Eventually, the corporate side
will catch up (from things I have started to hear), but us volunteers have no
say and no way to do what is necessary to the code. We work in the systems we
have.

It is probably a stupid question, but does BL have a test server where such changes
can be tried out without affecting how regular users use the site or allowing
regular users to snoop or interrupt the testing of ideas?

It seems crazy that any ideas that get tried out (that do affect regular users)
need to be made on the client facing server.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Aug 21, 2019 16:56
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 49 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

SylvainLS (32)

Location:  France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
Member Since Contact Type Status
Apr 25, 2014 Contact Member Buyer
Buying Privileges - OK
In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
  […]
It is probably a stupid question, but does BL have a test server where such changes
can be tried out without affecting how regular users use the site or allowing
regular users to snoop or interrupt the testing of ideas?

It seems crazy that any ideas that get tried out (that do affect regular users)
need to be made on the client facing server.

(Snide: BL doesn’t even have _one_ working website. )


There was a second website where users (mainly sellers) were encouraged to go
when BL2 was to come (the new skin, the new main page, the new WLs, etc.). It
had an older version of the database, with no impact on the actual database.
Some people went there, made bug reports and remarks, and then the update was
put in production as it was and the people who didn’t go to the second site were
angry because they hadn’t known and those who went were angry too because they
weren’t heard.
And then everybody was adverse to any change. Go figure.


Anyway, the “sleeves” changes are on the catalogue, the database, not the website,
its skin and features. So that would mean the catmins would have changed a copy
of the database, then told us “eh, go see what we did,” and then we would have
had a discussion, and maybe a few back and forth, and in the end, they would
have to do all the final changes again on the real database because they don’t
have a direct access to the database and can’t write scripts or do partial saves
and partial updates and the actual database would have changed in the meanwhile
too.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Aug 21, 2019 18:48
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 52 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

randyf (368)

Location:  USA, Ohio
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 16, 2009 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store Closed Store: The Bricking Spectre
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Inventories, yorbrick writes:

  It is probably a stupid question, but does BL have a test server where such changes
can be tried out without affecting how regular users use the site or allowing
regular users to snoop or interrupt the testing of ideas?

It is most definitely *not* a stupid question. If I was king around here, there
would be a place we could test this stuff without affecting the live data and
have sellers/buyers give feedback. Unfortunately, we don't have that. Maybe
we will someday...

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Aug 22, 2019 05:01
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 47 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

yorbrick (683)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
Member Since Contact Type Status
Apr 11, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Yorbricks
  
  It is probably a stupid question, but does BL have a test server where such changes
can be tried out without affecting how regular users use the site or allowing
regular users to snoop or interrupt the testing of ideas?

It is most definitely *not* a stupid question. If I was king around here, there
would be a place we could test this stuff without affecting the live data and
have sellers/buyers give feedback. Unfortunately, we don't have that. Maybe
we will someday...

I said stupid question mainly because if you were needing to work on the live
site (hence affecting any users that have any interaction with the sets / parts
you are changing) then the answer is very likely to be that there isn't such
a test server.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Aug 22, 2019 06:45
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 40 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

yorbrick (683)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
Member Since Contact Type Status
Apr 11, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Yorbricks
There is another one here if you need it that I happen to have on my desk.

I wasn't sure how to upload a part containing parts and how you are collating
the sets they came in.

From set 79012 contains one standard DARK RED cape

 
Part No: 522  Name: Minifigure, Cape Cloth, Standard - Traditional Starched Fabric - Height 4 cm (22231)
* 
522 Minifigure, Cape Cloth, Standard - Traditional Starched Fabric - Height 4 cm (22231)
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear
 
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: Aug 22, 2019 07:18
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 40 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Hygrotus (811)

Location:  Poland, w. Wielkopolskie
Member Since Contact Type Status Collage
Feb 3, 2011 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
View Collage Pic
Store Closed Store: The Insect Store
BrickLink Catalog Associate (?)
In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
  There is another one here if you need it that I happen to have on my desk.

I wasn't sure how to upload a part containing parts and how you are collating
the sets they came in.

From set 79012 contains one standard DARK RED cape

 
Part No: 522  Name: Minifigure, Cape Cloth, Standard - Traditional Starched Fabric - Height 4 cm (22231)
* 
522 Minifigure, Cape Cloth, Standard - Traditional Starched Fabric - Height 4 cm (22231)
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear

Added for you
 
Part No: 6002415  Name: Cardboard Sleeve 6002415 with Contents
* 
6002415 (Inv) Cardboard Sleeve 6002415 with Contents
Parts: Cardboard Sleeve

added normal way category
'Cardboard Sleeve'
you see how it should be numbered and named.

As for which set found write in the note form when uplodaing part then I'm
adding it to additional note. See when you enter the part entry.
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Aug 22, 2019 07:35
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 37 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

calsbricks (5693)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
Member Since Contact Type Status
Aug 12, 2008 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: CalsBricks
In Inventories, Hygrotus writes:
  In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
  There is another one here if you need it that I happen to have on my desk.

I wasn't sure how to upload a part containing parts and how you are collating
the sets they came in.

From set 79012 contains one standard DARK RED cape

 
Part No: 522  Name: Minifigure, Cape Cloth, Standard - Traditional Starched Fabric - Height 4 cm (22231)
* 
522 Minifigure, Cape Cloth, Standard - Traditional Starched Fabric - Height 4 cm (22231)
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear

Added for you
 
Part No: 6002415  Name: Cardboard Sleeve 6002415 with Contents
* 
6002415 (Inv) Cardboard Sleeve 6002415 with Contents
Parts: Cardboard Sleeve

added normal way category
'Cardboard Sleeve'
you see how it should be numbered and named.

As for which set found write in the note form when uplodaing part then I'm
adding it to additional note. See when you enter the part entry.

So if I understand this correctly we should use the inventory change request
for things that come in 'cardboard sleeves' 'little white boxes'
to include the printed number?

We have always keyed that straight into Google and found what was in the box
????
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Aug 22, 2019 08:21
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 35 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

axaday (3846)

Location:  USA, Oklahoma
Member Since Contact Type Status
Jun 28, 2005 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Axaday
In Inventories, Hygrotus writes:
  In Inventories, yorbrick writes:
  There is another one here if you need it that I happen to have on my desk.

I wasn't sure how to upload a part containing parts and how you are collating
the sets they came in.

From set 79012 contains one standard DARK RED cape

 
Part No: 522  Name: Minifigure, Cape Cloth, Standard - Traditional Starched Fabric - Height 4 cm (22231)
* 
522 Minifigure, Cape Cloth, Standard - Traditional Starched Fabric - Height 4 cm (22231)
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear

Added for you
 
Part No: 6002415  Name: Cardboard Sleeve 6002415 with Contents
* 
6002415 (Inv) Cardboard Sleeve 6002415 with Contents
Parts: Cardboard Sleeve

added normal way category
'Cardboard Sleeve'
you see how it should be numbered and named.

As for which set found write in the note form when uplodaing part then I'm
adding it to additional note. See when you enter the part entry.

So should I start uploading these? I have quite a few.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Aug 22, 2019 08:25
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 39 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

randyf (368)

Location:  USA, Ohio
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 16, 2009 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store Closed Store: The Bricking Spectre
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Inventories, axaday writes:

  So should I start uploading these? I have quite a few.

Yes. You can go ahead.
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Aug 22, 2019 10:17
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 41 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

axaday (3846)

Location:  USA, Oklahoma
Member Since Contact Type Status
Jun 28, 2005 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Axaday
In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, axaday writes:

  So should I start uploading these? I have quite a few.

Yes. You can go ahead.

Do we have any way of looking for which ones we lack? At this point I realize
they are EVERYWHERE, but will we be able to tell when it is done?
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Aug 22, 2019 12:41
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 31 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

randyf (368)

Location:  USA, Ohio
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 16, 2009 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store Closed Store: The Bricking Spectre
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Inventories, axaday writes:
  In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, axaday writes:

  So should I start uploading these? I have quite a few.

Yes. You can go ahead.

Do we have any way of looking for which ones we lack? At this point I realize
they are EVERYWHERE, but will we be able to tell when it is done?

I don't think we will know when it is done or really care if it ever is.
We just want to get as much information into the database as possible and have
a resource for all those people who want to know what comes in those little cardboard
sleeves without having to open them to sell.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Aug 22, 2019 13:48
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 25 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

axaday (3846)

Location:  USA, Oklahoma
Member Since Contact Type Status
Jun 28, 2005 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Axaday
In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, axaday writes:
  In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, axaday writes:

  So should I start uploading these? I have quite a few.

Yes. You can go ahead.

Do we have any way of looking for which ones we lack? At this point I realize
they are EVERYWHERE, but will we be able to tell when it is done?

I don't think we will know when it is done or really care if it ever is.
We just want to get as much information into the database as possible and have
a resource for all those people who want to know what comes in those little cardboard
sleeves without having to open them to sell.

Cheers,
Randy

The journey is the destination?
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Aug 22, 2019 13:51
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 33 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

randyf (368)

Location:  USA, Ohio
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 16, 2009 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store Closed Store: The Bricking Spectre
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Inventories, axaday writes:

  The journey is the destination?

 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Aug 22, 2019 23:53
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 44 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

axaday (3846)

Location:  USA, Oklahoma
Member Since Contact Type Status
Jun 28, 2005 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Axaday
In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, axaday writes:

  The journey is the destination?



I finished one of yours, Majesty.
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Aug 22, 2019 10:20
 Subject: Re: Cardboard sleeves in inventories
 Viewed: 42 times
 Topic: Inventories
Cancel Message
Cancel
Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

axaday (3846)

Location:  USA, Oklahoma
Member Since Contact Type Status
Jun 28, 2005 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Axaday
In Inventories, randyf writes:
  If I was king around here

Hmmmm