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| | | Author: | SezaR  | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2019 19:26 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 4549-1 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 2972a Light Gray Train Base 6 x 34 Split-Level with Bottom Tubes and Three Holes at Each End (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 2972 Train Base 6 x 34 Split-Level with Bottom Tubes {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 1}
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| | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2019 19:27 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 4549-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 2972a Light Gray Train Base 6 x 34 Split-Level with Bottom Tubes and Three Holes at Each End (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 2972 Train Base 6 x 34 Split-Level with Bottom Tubes {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 1}
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The first variant has three hols on each end as it shows on the instructions.
It was used in starting 1993 for this set and 4547-1. In later productions, the
later variant with one hole on each end was produced coming with this set too.
See
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/lego-system-4549-container-double-412853958
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2019 21:48 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 4549-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 2972a Light Gray Train Base 6 x 34 Split-Level with Bottom Tubes and Three Holes at Each End (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 2972 Train Base 6 x 34 Split-Level with Bottom Tubes {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 1}
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The first variant has three hols on each end as it shows on the instructions.
It was used in starting 1993 for this set and 4547-1. In later productions, the
later variant with one hole on each end was produced coming with this set too.
See
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/lego-system-4549-container-double-412853958
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The set you linked to shows proof for the one-hole version, but I do not feel
comfortable to add the three-hole version just based on the instructions.
At this time,
* | | 2972 Train Base 6 x 34 Split-Level with Bottom Tubes (Undetermined Type)
Parts: Train
Marked for Deletion |
is basically a catch-all entry since it can include both versions of the part
as the catalog note states. Therefore, the inventory is technically not incorrect
until the one-hole version gets its own catalog entry and this part gets marked
for deletion.
Any additional thoughts on this, Paul?
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2019 23:30 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 4549-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 2972a Light Gray Train Base 6 x 34 Split-Level with Bottom Tubes and Three Holes at Each End (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 2972 Train Base 6 x 34 Split-Level with Bottom Tubes {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 1}
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The first variant has three hols on each end as it shows on the instructions.
It was used in starting 1993 for this set and 4547-1. In later productions, the
later variant with one hole on each end was produced coming with this set too.
See
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/lego-system-4549-container-double-412853958
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The set you linked to shows proof for the one-hole version, but I do not feel
comfortable to add the three-hole version just based on the instructions.
At this time,
* | | 2972 Train Base 6 x 34 Split-Level with Bottom Tubes (Undetermined Type)
Parts: Train
Marked for Deletion |
is basically a catch-all entry since it can include both versions of the part
as the catalog note states. Therefore, the inventory is technically not incorrect
until the one-hole version gets its own catalog entry and this part gets marked
for deletion.
Any additional thoughts on this, Paul?
Randy
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Hi Randy,
In my opinion, there is no doubt the three-hole was the first version and it
was used for both sets 4547 and 4549. The set 4549 was available in US only as
"shop at home" as far as I see in the catalogs which is why it is rare there.
If you check in some European markets, most copies come with 3-hole versions.
Let me share my thoughts on this one.
This piece is rare, appeared only in early releases of there two sets. If not,
then we should assume that TLG produced both versions since very early 1993,
used the one-hole version for 4547-1 (against the instructions) and the three-hole
version for 4549-1 and later, they used the one-hole version for 4547-1 too.
Then as most used copies of 4549-1 in Europe come with 3-hole versions, we should
also assume that their owners replaced the original 1-hole one with the 3-hole
version. 
Here are two used copies. I also bought one copy from Germany coming with 3-hole
variant
https://picclick.de/Lego-System-4549-Container-Double-Stack-Road-%C2%B4n%C2%B4-Rail-153552552889.html
https://picclick.de/LEGO-Containertransportwagen-Container-Double-Stack-Set-Nr-4549-183867635295.html
It is possible to find an opened new copy of 4549-1 coming with 3-hole version,
sometime in the future but then, how can we be sure that this piece would be
original to the set as it does not come in a sealed bag?
I have ordered a light tent but I am not sure I have the one-hole version. I
need to check my second copy of 4549-1. But I can add it to the catalog and then,
you can decide on how to proceed with the inventory of this set.
Reza
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | paulvdb | | Posted: | Sep 29, 2019 08:31 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 4549-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 2972a Light Gray Train Base 6 x 34 Split-Level with Bottom Tubes and Three Holes at Each End (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 2972 Train Base 6 x 34 Split-Level with Bottom Tubes {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 1}
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The first variant has three hols on each end as it shows on the instructions.
It was used in starting 1993 for this set and 4547-1. In later productions, the
later variant with one hole on each end was produced coming with this set too.
See
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/lego-system-4549-container-double-412853958
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The set you linked to shows proof for the one-hole version, but I do not feel
comfortable to add the three-hole version just based on the instructions.
At this time,
* | | 2972 Train Base 6 x 34 Split-Level with Bottom Tubes (Undetermined Type)
Parts: Train
Marked for Deletion |
is basically a catch-all entry since it can include both versions of the part
as the catalog note states. Therefore, the inventory is technically not incorrect
until the one-hole version gets its own catalog entry and this part gets marked
for deletion.
Any additional thoughts on this, Paul?
Randy
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Hi Randy,
In my opinion, there is no doubt the three-hole was the first version and it
was used for both sets 4547 and 4549. The set 4549 was available in US only as
"shop at home" as far as I see in the catalogs which is why it is rare there.
If you check in some European markets, most copies come with 3-hole versions.
Let me share my thoughts on this one.
This piece is rare, appeared only in early releases of there two sets. If not,
then we should assume that TLG produced both versions since very early 1993,
used the one-hole version for 4547-1 (against the instructions) and the three-hole
version for 4549-1 and later, they used the one-hole version for 4547-1 too.
Then as most used copies of 4549-1 in Europe come with 3-hole versions, we should
also assume that their owners replaced the original 1-hole one with the 3-hole
version.
Here are two used copies. I also bought one copy from Germany coming with 3-hole
variant
https://picclick.de/Lego-System-4549-Container-Double-Stack-Road-%C2%B4n%C2%B4-Rail-153552552889.html
https://picclick.de/LEGO-Containertransportwagen-Container-Double-Stack-Set-Nr-4549-183867635295.html
It is possible to find an opened new copy of 4549-1 coming with 3-hole version,
sometime in the future but then, how can we be sure that this piece would be
original to the set as it does not come in a sealed bag?
I have ordered a light tent but I am not sure I have the one-hole version. I
need to check my second copy of 4549-1. But I can add it to the catalog and then,
you can decide on how to proceed with the inventory of this set.
Reza
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I have just submitted 2972b to the catalog for the one hole variant so that we
can get rid of the undetermined 2972 in inventories. Based on your findings it
seems unlikely that several sellers of used sets would have somehow found a rare
2972a to include in their used sets, so I believe that it came in early production
runs of 4549. The fact that instructions and box art also show 2972a supports
the theory that 2972a was the first version and since both this and 4547 were
released in the same year it would have come in early productions runs of both
sets while 2972b would have come in later production runs of both sets.
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