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 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
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In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans. After all we are their
customers and we know what we want.

We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).
 Author: nectara View Messages Posted By nectara
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In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans. After all we are their
customers and we know what we want.

We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).



Hi
If you need on your team a beer opener then I'm ready for duty.
Regards
Nectara
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Jun 21, 2019 12:24
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In Problem, nectara writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans. After all we are their
customers and we know what we want.

We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).



Hi
If you need on your team a beer opener then I'm ready for duty.
Regards
Nectara

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 Author: rikitikitaviguy View Messages Posted By rikitikitaviguy
 Posted: Jun 21, 2019 12:32
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If you need on your team a beer DRINKER then I'm ready to help!

LM


n Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In Problem, nectara writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans. After all we are their
customers and we know what we want.

We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).



Hi
If you need on your team a beer opener then I'm ready for duty.
Regards
Nectara

Noted
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Jun 21, 2019 12:33
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In Problem, rikitikitaviguy writes:
  If you need on your team a beer DRINKER then I'm ready to help!

LM


n Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In Problem, nectara writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans. After all we are their
customers and we know what we want.

We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).



Hi
If you need on your team a beer opener then I'm ready for duty.
Regards
Nectara

Noted

So we have an opener and a drinker - there is some cooperation !!!!!
 Author: legoman77 View Messages Posted By legoman77
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In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In Problem, rikitikitaviguy writes:
  If you need on your team a beer DRINKER then I'm ready to help!

LM


n Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In Problem, nectara writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans. After all we are their
customers and we know what we want.

We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).



Hi
If you need on your team a beer opener then I'm ready for duty.
Regards
Nectara

Noted

So we have an opener and a drinker - there is some cooperation !!!!!

I could send a team of naked Barbies. They are little but powerful. They do
not know much about web sites or how to run a business. Oh, never mind, Bricklink
already has people like that, but with clothes.
John P
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In Problem, legoman77 writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In Problem, rikitikitaviguy writes:
  If you need on your team a beer DRINKER then I'm ready to help!

LM


n Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In Problem, nectara writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans. After all we are their
customers and we know what we want.

We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).



Hi
If you need on your team a beer opener then I'm ready for duty.
Regards
Nectara

Noted

So we have an opener and a drinker - there is some cooperation !!!!!

I could send a team of naked Barbies. They are little but powerful. They do
not know much about web sites or how to run a business. Oh, never mind, Bricklink
already has people like that, but with clothes.
John P

If they aren't genuine Lego we wwould get banned ????
 Author: qwertyboy View Messages Posted By qwertyboy
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In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  So we have an opener and a drinker - there is some cooperation !!!!!

So all that's needed is a beer supplier - betcha that one might be more difficult
to recruit.

Niek.
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In Problem, qwertyboy writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  So we have an opener and a drinker - there is some cooperation !!!!!

So all that's needed is a beer supplier - betcha that one might be more difficult
to recruit.

Niek.

We have plenty of them- they abound over here from euro stuff to us lager - can't
get labatts anymore (or at least I cannot find it but .......)
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In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

Just a question. What makes you think that Bricklink has anything called development
that employees real people?
  
The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans.

Just a question. What makes to think they have a development plan, let alone
plans?

  After all we are their customers and we know what we want.

Just a question. What makes you think they care?

John P
  
We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).
 
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Is the bin/trash can under the sand ?







In Problem, legoman77 writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

Just a question. What makes you think that Bricklink has anything called development
that employees real people?
  
The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans.

Just a question. What makes to think they have a development plan, let alone
plans?

  After all we are their customers and we know what we want.

Just a question. What makes you think they care?

John P
  
We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).
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In Problem, Stuart9 writes:
  Is the bin/trash can under the sand ?

No, they are mining for 500s. Silly people, all they have to do is look here.
john P
  






In Problem, legoman77 writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

Just a question. What makes you think that Bricklink has anything called development
that employees real people?
  
The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans.

Just a question. What makes to think they have a development plan, let alone
plans?

  After all we are their customers and we know what we want.

Just a question. What makes you think they care?

John P
  
We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).
 
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In Problem, legoman77 writes:
  In Problem, Stuart9 writes:
  Is the bin/trash can under the sand ?

No, they are mining for 500s. Silly people, all they have to do is look here.
john P
  






In Problem, legoman77 writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

Just a question. What makes you think that Bricklink has anything called development
that employees real people?
  
The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans.

Just a question. What makes to think they have a development plan, let alone
plans?

  After all we are their customers and we know what we want.

Just a question. What makes you think they care?

John P
  
We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).

I think you might mean this one
 
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In Problem, Stuart9 writes:
  Is the bin/trash can under the sand ?

I know where it should be
  






In Problem, legoman77 writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

Just a question. What makes you think that Bricklink has anything called development
that employees real people?
  
The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans.

Just a question. What makes to think they have a development plan, let alone
plans?

  After all we are their customers and we know what we want.

Just a question. What makes you think they care?

John P
  
We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).
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In Problem, legoman77 writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

Just a question. What makes you think that Bricklink has anything called development
that employees real people?

Their accounts show me that are paying contract staff and their organisation
chart shows me which software house they are from (another one of the owners
little investments)

  
  
The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans.

Just a question. What makes to think they have a development plan, let alone
plans?

We do not think they do - this might trigger a thought and then again it might
not be of any interest whatsoever (Highly likely). The one thing it might do,
however is show them there are people who do care about this site and wish it
to continue in the vein it was originally set up in.
  
  After all we are their customers and we know what we want.

Just a question. What makes you think they care?

They don't that is what made us open the thread. They have their own agenda,
which in countless people's eyes is not correct for Bricklink. If we demonstrate
we know more than they think we do it might just wake them up - and then again
it might not. Only time will answer that one. On the other hand if the site is
sold off it might open a dialogue with the new owners - you just never know.
  
John P
  
We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).
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In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In Problem, legoman77 writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

Just a question. What makes you think that Bricklink has anything called development
that employees real people?

Their accounts show me that are paying contract staff and their organisation
chart shows me which software house they are from (another one of the owners
little investments)

  
  
The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans.

Just a question. What makes to think they have a development plan, let alone
plans?

We do not think they do - this might trigger a thought and then again it might
not be of any interest whatsoever (Highly likely). The one thing it might do,
however is show them there are people who do care about this site and wish it
to continue in the vein it was originally set up in.
  
  After all we are their customers and we know what we want.

Just a question. What makes you think they care?

They don't that is what made us open the thread. They have their own agenda,
which in countless people's eyes is not correct for Bricklink. If we demonstrate
we know more than they think we do it might just wake them up - and then again
it might not. Only time will answer that one. On the other hand if the site is
sold off it might open a dialogue with the new owners - you just never know.
  
John P
  
We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).

I was not being snide with you, but with Bricklink.
John P
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  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In Problem, legoman77 writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

Just a question. What makes you think that Bricklink has anything called development
that employees real people?

Their accounts show me that are paying contract staff and their organisation
chart shows me which software house they are from (another one of the owners
little investments)

  
  
The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans.

Just a question. What makes to think they have a development plan, let alone
plans?

We do not think they do - this might trigger a thought and then again it might
not be of any interest whatsoever (Highly likely). The one thing it might do,
however is show them there are people who do care about this site and wish it
to continue in the vein it was originally set up in.
  
  After all we are their customers and we know what we want.

Just a question. What makes you think they care?

They don't that is what made us open the thread. They have their own agenda,
which in countless people's eyes is not correct for Bricklink. If we demonstrate
we know more than they think we do it might just wake them up - and then again
it might not. Only time will answer that one. On the other hand if the site is
sold off it might open a dialogue with the new owners - you just never know.
  
John P
  
We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).

I was not being snide with you, but with Bricklink.
John P

Believe it or not we worked thaqt out
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  Just a question. What makes to think they have a development plan, let alone
plans?

Here it is. It just needs finishing.

Luckily they have a whole ream of paper, one page for each part of the plan,
... how many sheets needed? 500!
 
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In Problem, yorbrick writes:
  
  Just a question. What makes to think they have a development plan, let alone
plans?

Here it is. It just needs finishing.

Luckily they have a whole ream of paper, one page for each part of the plan,
... how many sheets needed? 500!

I can see we are not going to get any real co-operation on this one - cause it
is just too 'unlikely' - still we got beer openers, drinkers and suppliers
- that cannot be bad.

Might have to try a slightly different tack on this.

With all the kidding aside we think it might just force a hand or two. It certainly
would show them we KNOW what we are talking about and ask the question do they?

(Some people might feel we already have that answer), but as they have continued
to not listen or understand this might just re-enforce it .

Back to you guys.
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  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans. After all we are their
customers and we know what we want.

We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).

Random thought: Instead of investing time and effort in a cause that will
seemingly go no where, why not just initiate a crowdsourcing effort to simply
*buy* the site (essentially the domain and catalog) and implement updates that
we've all been shouting about for years... I'll bet we'd even
be able to bring back some of those incredibly talented folks that have left
that had contributed to the site immensely over the years...


Life is Good.
~Ed.
 
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  Random thought: Instead of investing time and effort in a cause that will
seemingly go no where, why not just initiate a crowdsourcing effort to simply
*buy* the site (essentially the domain and catalog) and implement updates that
we've all been shouting about for years... I'll bet we'd even
be able to bring back some of those incredibly talented folks that have left
that had contributed to the site immensely over the years...


If the site does go downhill, it would probably be better value to offer sweeteners
to buyers via brickowl to shift their behaviour to buying there.
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In Problem, yorbrick writes:
  
  Random thought: Instead of investing time and effort in a cause that will
seemingly go no where, why not just initiate a crowdsourcing effort to simply
*buy* the site (essentially the domain and catalog) and implement updates that
we've all been shouting about for years... I'll bet we'd even
be able to bring back some of those incredibly talented folks that have left
that had contributed to the site immensely over the years...


If the site does go downhill, it would probably be better value to offer sweeteners
to buyers via brickowl to shift their behaviour to buying there.

You might be right and I am sure Lawrence would want to participate in that.
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In Problem, yorbrick writes:
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If the site does go downhill, it would probably be better value to offer sweeteners
to buyers via brickowl to shift their behaviour to buying there.

+1

Personnally, I’m not on BO (yet) because I couldn’t find there what I could (and
did) buy here. And, for now, my WLs are full of parts that don’t exist yet.
But that could change quickly….
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In Problem, SylvainLS writes:
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  […]
If the site does go downhill, it would probably be better value to offer sweeteners
to buyers via brickowl to shift their behaviour to buying there.

+1

Personnally, I’m not on BO (yet) because I couldn’t find there what I could (and
did) buy here. And, for now, my WLs are full of parts that don’t exist yet.
But that could change quickly….

There is definitely still a bigger range of sellers here. I've used both
for buying and selling (although not currently selling there), I find using BL
easier but that is probably as I know how to use it more effectively. Getting
order totals and paying has always been better at BO but IC has changed that
somewhat here.
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Looking to start a store there myself, just to edge my bets, can't be sure
what's happening here, what with the problems and possible sale.

Don't get me wrong, i loved buying here but that's had to stop, i'm
happy selling here when it works properly but getting more and more frustrated
at wasted time trying to build my store.



In Problem, SylvainLS writes:
  In Problem, yorbrick writes:
  […]
If the site does go downhill, it would probably be better value to offer sweeteners
to buyers via brickowl to shift their behaviour to buying there.

+1

Personnally, I’m not on BO (yet) because I couldn’t find there what I could (and
did) buy here. And, for now, my WLs are full of parts that don’t exist yet.
But that could change quickly….
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In Problem, yorbrick writes:
  
  Random thought: Instead of investing time and effort in a cause that will
seemingly go no where, why not just initiate a crowdsourcing effort to simply
*buy* the site (essentially the domain and catalog) and implement updates that
we've all been shouting about for years... I'll bet we'd even
be able to bring back some of those incredibly talented folks that have left
that had contributed to the site immensely over the years...


If the site does go downhill, it would probably be better value to offer sweeteners
to buyers via brickowl to shift their behaviour to buying there.

As a charter member of BrickOwl, the shift of membership from BrickLink to BrickOwl
has always been a point of fascination for me. I actually expected BrickOwl to
take over BrickLink within 2 years of starting up, but for some reason, BrickLink
members did not all make the jump. Many are apparently using both sites.

It may be that BrickOwl never intended to 100% replace BrickLink and only developed
enough features to make it a viable selling platform. I don't keep up with
BrickOwl developments these days, but it would stand to reason that if a former
BrickLink seller designed and ran a site with some major improvements over BrickLink,
momentum would shift to the new site within a reasonable period of time. So there
is still something about BrickLink that is keeping people here, and our sales
and membership continue to grow.
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In Problem, Admin_Russell writes:
  I don't keep up with
BrickOwl developments these days, but it would stand to reason that if a former
BrickLink seller designed and ran a site with some major improvements over BrickLink,
momentum would shift to the new site within a reasonable period of time. So there
is still something about BrickLink that is keeping people here, and our sales
and membership continue to grow.

Why that didn't happen yet? Easy: volume of sellers, items for sale, etc
is MUCH bigger on BL in comparison with BO. When that shifts, BL is a goner.....
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In Problem, StarBrick writes:
  In Problem, Admin_Russell writes:
  I don't keep up with
BrickOwl developments these days, but it would stand to reason that if a former
BrickLink seller designed and ran a site with some major improvements over BrickLink,
momentum would shift to the new site within a reasonable period of time. So there
is still something about BrickLink that is keeping people here, and our sales
and membership continue to grow.

Why that didn't happen yet? Easy: volume of sellers, items for sale, etc
is MUCH bigger on BL in comparison with BO. When that shifts, BL is a goner.....

Volume of sellers on BO is growing at about 20%/year, BL, well, isn't.

BO currently has about 35% of the stores. (of course that doesn't say anything
about volume of stock or sales)
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In Problem, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Problem, yorbrick writes:
  
  Random thought: Instead of investing time and effort in a cause that will
seemingly go no where, why not just initiate a crowdsourcing effort to simply
*buy* the site (essentially the domain and catalog) and implement updates that
we've all been shouting about for years... I'll bet we'd even
be able to bring back some of those incredibly talented folks that have left
that had contributed to the site immensely over the years...


If the site does go downhill, it would probably be better value to offer sweeteners
to buyers via brickowl to shift their behaviour to buying there.

As a charter member of BrickOwl, the shift of membership from BrickLink to BrickOwl
has always been a point of fascination for me. I actually expected BrickOwl to
take over BrickLink within 2 years of starting up, but for some reason, BrickLink
members did not all make the jump. Many are apparently using both sites.

It may be that BrickOwl never intended to 100% replace BrickLink and only developed
enough features to make it a viable selling platform. I don't keep up with
BrickOwl developments these days, but it would stand to reason that if a former
BrickLink seller designed and ran a site with some major improvements over BrickLink,
momentum would shift to the new site within a reasonable period of time. So there
is still something about BrickLink that is keeping people here, and our sales
and membership continue to grow.

Since it is growing which I would assume it means more money coming in why is
the site not upgraded? Would that not improve impetus for more members?
I would never have gone to Brickowl. I am old and would never change as I have
been here so long. I know some members and know what good people most are.
Not from sales but from this forum. There are always those looking to help people
and are good people for sharing.
I am satisfied with ebay, seems like I never have any problems there and I did
sell on ebay when I was selling here. But it was items that sat around for a
good amount of time and no one on bricklink bought them. They wold on ebay.
Now I sell there and it is still a good place to sell, but without the personal
touch of the forum and members getting to know other members. I actually have
had several visit me in here in El Paso. I have absolutely no connection with
any of the buyers there like I did here. That, to me, is the difference.
I do wish that BL would get the problems fixed so we can go back to arguing more
on the forum, like in the old days.

John P
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In Problem, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Problem, yorbrick writes:
  
  Random thought: Instead of investing time and effort in a cause that will
seemingly go no where, why not just initiate a crowdsourcing effort to simply
*buy* the site (essentially the domain and catalog) and implement updates that
we've all been shouting about for years... I'll bet we'd even
be able to bring back some of those incredibly talented folks that have left
that had contributed to the site immensely over the years...


If the site does go downhill, it would probably be better value to offer sweeteners
to buyers via brickowl to shift their behaviour to buying there.

As a charter member of BrickOwl, the shift of membership from BrickLink to BrickOwl
has always been a point of fascination for me. I actually expected BrickOwl to
take over BrickLink within 2 years of starting up, but for some reason, BrickLink
members did not all make the jump. Many are apparently using both sites.

It may be that BrickOwl never intended to 100% replace BrickLink and only developed
enough features to make it a viable selling platform. I don't keep up with
BrickOwl developments these days, but it would stand to reason that if a former
BrickLink seller designed and ran a site with some major improvements over BrickLink,
momentum would shift to the new site within a reasonable period of time. So there
is still something about BrickLink that is keeping people here, and our sales
and membership continue to grow.

Interesting to hear from you on this thread - didn't really expect that,
but stranger things have happened. Your thoughts/opinions are noted. Time will
tell which way things go. To much is being done, in our opinion, that isn't
helping Bricklink and , quite honestly too little communication is also not helping
the cause. comms is never easy especially when it is news people do not want
to hear but like all things in life, especially business it is essential. You
guys need to improve on that side and get involved. You would be amazed at how
much that would help things. You alSO, in our opinion, need to listen more rather
than just doing or announcing. Bricklink express is a perfect example. Announced
in Oct of 2018 with MP's presentation then nothing - no detailed explanations
- and no - the presentation was no where detailed enough for everyone to understand
and comment - but then the next news is it is going to be released Phase 1 in
March followed by Sellers tools and we are now nearly at the end of June and
there is, of course no sign of either of them. Yes, we all know that AFOL has
taken priority and you are short people, Welcome to the land of reality - these
things happen in business - contingency? Maybe, Maybe not

It isn't our job or intention to teach you or your team how to run your business
That is for the owner and management to do, but listening to 100's of years
experience in this area wouldn't do any harm and it might just do some good
- you never know til you try.

We know it is also complicated by a potential sale of the business (Other than
the owner no one outside Bricklink, that we are aware of knows whether Bricklink.com
is included or not (and Morgan Stanley and Deutsche Bank are not commenting).

Far too many unknowns and uncertainties Russell and with your background you
must be aware of that and how it affects your customers (Oh yes we are your customers
and the Customer is always King)

Anyway - thanks for adding your thoughts to the thread - we shall see how this
one ends up.
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In Problem, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Problem, yorbrick writes:
  
  Random thought: Instead of investing time and effort in a cause that will
seemingly go no where, why not just initiate a crowdsourcing effort to simply
*buy* the site (essentially the domain and catalog) and implement updates that
we've all been shouting about for years... I'll bet we'd even
be able to bring back some of those incredibly talented folks that have left
that had contributed to the site immensely over the years...


If the site does go downhill, it would probably be better value to offer sweeteners
to buyers via brickowl to shift their behaviour to buying there.

As a charter member of BrickOwl, the shift of membership from BrickLink to BrickOwl
has always been a point of fascination for me. I actually expected BrickOwl to
take over BrickLink within 2 years of starting up, but for some reason, BrickLink
members did not all make the jump. Many are apparently using both sites.

It may be that BrickOwl never intended to 100% replace BrickLink and only developed
enough features to make it a viable selling platform. I don't keep up with
BrickOwl developments these days, but it would stand to reason that if a former
BrickLink seller designed and ran a site with some major improvements over BrickLink,
momentum would shift to the new site within a reasonable period of time. So there
is still something about BrickLink that is keeping people here, and our sales
and membership continue to grow.

I am still here because of the catalog and because of the community (including
some favorite sellers). The competition is catching up on those...

This site still has the potential to remain the best, to build a strong future,
but because of the insulting lack of communication and support, the neglect of
community needs and apparently misguided development plans I do not have much
confidence. I'd love to be here five years from now, but I really cannot
predict if I will be.

A few years ago, an idea like proposed here would have been met with some enthusiasm.
Now, I feel sad reading the replies, because people seem to have given up all
hope.
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In Problem, edeevo writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans. After all we are their
customers and we know what we want.

We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).

Random thought: Instead of investing time and effort in a cause that will
seemingly go no where, why not just initiate a crowdsourcing effort to simply
*buy* the site (essentially the domain and catalog) and implement updates that
we've all been shouting about for years... I'll bet we'd even
be able to bring back some of those incredibly talented folks that have left
that had contributed to the site immensely over the years...


Life is Good.
~Ed.

Thanks Ed - splendid idea - here is the work that we have already done in that
respect.

Bricklink's last known income 2017/18 was approximately £1.3M That is based
on 4500 orders per day at £25 per order and a net 'fee charge' of 3%
of the total revenue going through the site. So in simple terms 4500 x 365 x
25 X 3% = £1.23M

Common buy outs work on different basis depending on industry. But if you said
8 to 10 times revenue and worked backwards from there we would need around the
10m mark and I am not really sure we could raise that through crowdfunding. It
might be worth a try - there isn't really any harm in that, but organising
that might geta little complex.

Considering there is also a potential sale being worked on at present by the
current owner we still cannot find out if he is including Bricklink in the sale
or not. The people who are interested in buying Nexon are, in the main asset
strippers looking for cash not to develop companies. The owner wants out of the
gaming industry as it has become over-regulated and that iun itself is causing
problems.

What an overview spec might do is open up other angles to approach this. Hence
we wanted to see the reation.

Life can be good Ed
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  Bricklink's last known income 2017/18 was approximately £1.3M That is based
on 4500 orders per day at £25 per order and a net 'fee charge' of 3%
of the total revenue going through the site. So in simple terms 4500 x 365 x
25 X 3% = £1.23M

I think the main reason BL has not done nearly as much with BrickLink as most
of us would like to see done is highlighted in what you have brought out here
about the total BL brought in as revenue for the years of 2017/18 which translated
in USD is about 1.5 million dollars.

1.5 mill just does not go very far especially when you consider that he had to
probably pay at least 10 mill for the site when he bought it so if he applied
just $250,000.00 per year to pay that back then that leave only 1.25 mill to
pay for all the operating expenses to run BL.

Let's take a little time to break this down a little.

So for starters, to help put this in perspective... Sense you know programming,
what does a decent programmer make a year? How many do you think are needed to
run BL?

Jim
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In Problem, TheBrickGuys writes:
  
  Bricklink's last known income 2017/18 was approximately £1.3M That is based
on 4500 orders per day at £25 per order and a net 'fee charge' of 3%
of the total revenue going through the site. So in simple terms 4500 x 365 x
25 X 3% = £1.23M

I think the main reason BL has not done nearly as much with BrickLink as most
of us would like to see done is highlighted in what you have brought out here
about the total BL brought in as revenue for the years of 2017/18 which translated
in USD is about 1.5 million dollars.

1.5 mill just does not go very far especially when you consider that he had to
probably pay at least 10 mill for the site when he bought it so if he applied
just $250,000.00 per year to pay that back then that leave only 1.25 mill to
pay for all the operating expenses to run BL.

Let's take a little time to break this down a little.

So for starters, to help put this in perspective... Sense you know programming,
what does a decent programmer make a year? How many do you think are needed to
run BL?

Jim

Hi there - interesting points.

We would want a team of 3 to 5 programmers for total redevelopment and that team
would be headed up by a senior systems analyst/programmer who would spec it and
build some sample code so we got an idea of UI and feature concepts. In the UK
the level of programmers we are talking about is around the £150 - £200 per day
mark - so if you had a full team on it for a year the costs would run around
the £350k mark - but please remember that would be written off over a minimum
of 5 years so we are not looking at much more than £70k per annum. That is also
for a brand new, complete Bricklink- feature rich and with a modern UI and with
as much pre-release testing as can be practically done (This would almost certainly
have a small team from the membership involved via a sandbox to look at the subtle
differences per region, for example. All of this of course takes time, patience
and dedication - therefore it needs investment but investment is a funny thing
- some people always want short term returns , others have more patience, which,
to be honest, we expected here and did not get.

The helpdesk is essential - this is a 365/24/7 site - it needs proper resources
including hardware, network and comms capabilities. It also needs a core of software
that can be 'plugged into' - no one can develop it all . so make it so
external software will work with it. Things like messaging, statistics, analytics
all should be plug ins - you do not want to re-write and e-mail system nor google
analytics. Make it work properly with external tools such as Excel, access or
whatever.

All sounds a bit like a pipe dram when yu look at it. We thought a multi billionaire
with a passion for Lego has taken over now watch us go, and that hasn't happened,
for whatever reason. We don't understand all the reasons why - no one but
he does, but it does look like those hopes and dreams of where we should be in
5 years time from 2013 hafv all gone out the window.

You know the funny things is we continue to grow as a store - we have invested
heavily in inventory (and there is still much more to come on that front) we
have stayed old fashioned no IC, and classic features everywhere else, so despite
the need for improvements and a re-think the old site still works fine.



As for the staffing of the organisation we would want 3 people for the help desk
so it was 24/7. They would double up on seller verification. We would also want
to have 1 person available for bug fixing but that would not be a permanent position
at the end of day and once the new software was in place, fully documented and
tested, the need for those programmers would not be there in one way but time
would tell what we would do there.

JUst some thoughts by the way in response to your points.
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I wonder if a survey could be put together, and gather enough replies to help
show what everyone is thinking. It could cover both buyers and sellers have
people list their satisfaction level of Bricklink on various topics as well as
accumulate data on what features they would like to see.

I was once a board member of a charter school and we thought we knew exactly
what needed to be done. We conducted a survey and determined that the needs/wants
were way off base from what we thought. Our time and efforts could then be applied
to what mattered to the staff and students.

It could turn out that only 2% of the sellers want additional tools (the 2% is
just very loud). Or, it could be that 90% want more selling tools and the buyers
are just plain happy. I think having a response from hundreds of people would
have a higher impact at headquarters than a plan drafted by 4-5 beer drinkers.

Ideally, the new owner should have done that when they took over. Or Bricklink
should do it now. Getting to know what your network needs/wants would be a good
way to prioritize. Who knows, perhaps they could make 80% of the people happy
with a couple of days of coding. Maybe, just maybe the survey will show that
shipping AFOL sets is a higher priority than fixing the 500 errors.

Just a thought.
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In Problem, VOTB writes:
  I wonder if a survey could be put together, and gather enough replies to help
show what everyone is thinking. It could cover both buyers and sellers have
people list their satisfaction level of Bricklink on various topics as well as
accumulate data on what features they would like to see.

I was once a board member of a charter school and we thought we knew exactly
what needed to be done. We conducted a survey and determined that the needs/wants
were way off base from what we thought. Our time and efforts could then be applied
to what mattered to the staff and students.

It could turn out that only 2% of the sellers want additional tools (the 2% is
just very loud). Or, it could be that 90% want more selling tools and the buyers
are just plain happy. I think having a response from hundreds of people would
have a higher impact at headquarters than a plan drafted by 4-5 beer drinkers.

Ideally, the new owner should have done that when they took over. Or Bricklink
should do it now. Getting to know what your network needs/wants would be a good
way to prioritize. Who knows, perhaps they could make 80% of the people happy
with a couple of days of coding. Maybe, just maybe the survey will show that
shipping AFOL sets is a higher priority than fixing the 500 errors.

Just a thought.




That makes way too much sense and is way to easy to accomplish. The kryptonite
of any top down operation.

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In Problem, VOTB writes:
  I wonder if a survey could be put together, and gather enough replies to help
show what everyone is thinking. It could cover both buyers and sellers have
people list their satisfaction level of Bricklink on various topics as well as
accumulate data on what features they would like to see.

I was once a board member of a charter school and we thought we knew exactly
what needed to be done. We conducted a survey and determined that the needs/wants
were way off base from what we thought. Our time and efforts could then be applied
to what mattered to the staff and students.

The audit is the very basic and first step to do in any takeover, too obvious
many people with plenty of cash in the pocket doesn't care/know/whatever
(as many have more money than they're actually that smart).

  It could turn out that only 2% of the sellers want additional tools (the 2% is
just very loud). Or, it could be that 90% want more selling tools and the buyers
are just plain happy. I think having a response from hundreds of people would
have a higher impact at headquarters than a plan drafted by 4-5 beer drinkers.

Be careful, you already judge using such wording, some people may take offence.

Two things to consider although:

1. survey will only answered by people who aware of it, who cares, who think
of filling it. So how many percentage of BL users will actually be significant
?
Again, mostly "noisy members" could put lot's of weight in it,

2. BL communication skill is closer to the 0 Kelvin degree than anything else,
how they advertise their awesome AFOL designer program ? By putting large pictures
in front page everywhere a BL user can land going to the website. As long as
they still sitting cosy in their ivory tower, nothing will change (despite it
looks like more Pisa tower these days and probably going towards King's Landing
red keep, from Game of thrones, at its end)

  Ideally, the new owner should have done that when they took over. Or Bricklink
should do it now. Getting to know what your network needs/wants would be a good
way to prioritize. Who knows, perhaps they could make 80% of the people happy
with a couple of days of coding. Maybe, just maybe the survey will show that
shipping AFOL sets is a higher priority than fixing the 500 errors.

lol that's would be quite disturbing but as always, people want new features
more than old issues fix, even big ones. And those who bought sets for reselling
with quick profit on better websites doesn't care that much of 500 errors
I guess, especially when hey don't have to deal with it on a daily basis
in their business.
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In Problem, VOTB writes:
  I wonder if a survey could be put together, and gather enough replies to help
show what everyone is thinking. It could cover both buyers and sellers have
people list their satisfaction level of Bricklink on various topics as well as
accumulate data on what features they would like to see.

I was once a board member of a charter school and we thought we knew exactly
what needed to be done. We conducted a survey and determined that the needs/wants
were way off base from what we thought. Our time and efforts could then be applied
to what mattered to the staff and students.

It could turn out that only 2% of the sellers want additional tools (the 2% is
just very loud). Or, it could be that 90% want more selling tools and the buyers
are just plain happy. I think having a response from hundreds of people would
have a higher impact at headquarters than a plan drafted by 4-5 beer drinkers.

Ideally, the new owner should have done that when they took over. Or Bricklink
should do it now. Getting to know what your network needs/wants would be a good
way to prioritize. Who knows, perhaps they could make 80% of the people happy
with a couple of days of coding. Maybe, just maybe the survey will show that
shipping AFOL sets is a higher priority than fixing the 500 errors.

Just a thought.

Nothing wrong with the idea as long as it was independent of both the membership
and the business. Many businesses instruct external market research organisations
to conduct such things and in many cases, they learn from it and things change.

Something like this was mentioned in the new owners inaugural message to the
members but nothing ever came from it.

It is a good idea and was touted as a new beginning but soon disappeared and
been left since then.

Unlikely to happen now with a pending sale - but yet it is a good idea - the
forum, unfortunately is not representative of the entir4e membership - some never
even take the time to read it.
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In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans. After all we are their
customers and we know what we want.

We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).


While I agree that the features of the BrickLink site used by sellers to maintain
their inventory and control how their store operates (IC, Shipping Methods, etc.)
are in need of some major enhancements, much of this can be accomplished ourselves
by taking full advantage of the BrickLink API that was created several years
ago. I have been using most of the API features for a long time within the Brick
Seller site that I worked with a programmer friend of mine to develop and more
recently have taken over the enhancement and support of.

Prior to the development of the cloud version of Brick Seller, I created a version
that could be downloaded and installed on any PC running Windows. If anyone
is interested, I would be willing to make the source code for that project available
to help anyone get started using the BrickLink API. You would be free to enhance
it to best fit your needs.

I have worked in software development for over 28 years and based on that experience
and my efforts creating Brick Seller, I think that trying to create something
that will meet all the needs of all the sellers on BrickLink would be nearly
impossible.

Rick
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In Problem, OurBricks writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  In our primary business we write software for our clients and support them on
that. Often we get a statement of requirements from them which in layman's
terms is an overview spec. That is handed to our senior analysts and in due course
a proper specification is produced before any coding actually takes place.

We have some very knowledgeable members on the site and we are wondering if any
of them would like to contribute to such a document which we can then pass on
to Bricklink development.

The worst thing that could happen is they ignore it (almost certain that is what
will happen but ...) the Best thing would be they would listen to some very experienced
people, take note and re-think their development plans. After all we are their
customers and we know what we want.

We would coordinate it and no one individual would do it all - there could be
statements of requirements from the catalogue people, the inventories people,
the stores, etc - all which would help to make Bricklink 3 (Forget 2 as that
never really happened in the way we thought or anticipated it would).


While I agree that the features of the BrickLink site used by sellers to maintain
their inventory and control how their store operates (IC, Shipping Methods, etc.)
are in need of some major enhancements, much of this can be accomplished ourselves
by taking full advantage of the BrickLink API that was created several years
ago. I have been using most of the API features for a long time within the Brick
Seller site that I worked with a programmer friend of mine to develop and more
recently have taken over the enhancement and support of.

Prior to the development of the cloud version of Brick Seller, I created a version
that could be downloaded and installed on any PC running Windows. If anyone
is interested, I would be willing to make the source code for that project available
to help anyone get started using the BrickLink API. You would be free to enhance
it to best fit your needs.

I have worked in software development for over 28 years and based on that experience
and my efforts creating Brick Seller, I think that trying to create something
that will meet all the needs of all the sellers on BrickLink would be nearly
impossible.

Rick

Hi there and thanks for your comments.

I am afraid the api is not the answer - it is not a tool for non-programming
people, is restrictive and does not really impact on how the site works - it
is meant to gather data from the existing database. It is also a drag on performance
like most 'mining tools'

It is similar in fashion to using Transact in SQL - you can get at data that
is not restricted and if your skills are at a high enough level you can do much
more with it, but it certainly isn't what we would be looking at. Much better
approaches exist
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The API is not the ‘be all, end all’ that we think it is. It definitely has restrictions
that disallow its use in certain scenarios. Been there, done that.

I am just learning about the potential sale of the site via this post. My first
thought was, “Why put in all the time and effort without knowing the intention
of the potential new owner?”. Wouldn’t all that work be better put to use in
a collaboration with BO or other who might be open and willing to improve their
marketplace? Sadly, I just don’t see that happening on BL, at least not anytime
soon.

I still buy inventory, but I stock it rather than list it for sale here. I haven’t
added anything major to my inventory in a very long time and don’t plan to.
I’m quite hesitant to commit any further even prior to learning of the possible
sale. I, like other sellers I have communicated with on this topic over the
years, are holding out for something or someone to offer up a better suited,
feature rich, marketplace that meets the needs of both buyers and sellers. In
the time we’ve all been waiting for this to happen here on BL, a new site would
have likely already taken off.

It’s not to say I am ready to kick BL to the curb, but much needed upgrades are
long overdue and my hopes have dwindled over the years with broken promises and
Bandaid-like efforts that offer little in terms of improvement.

We are not a quiet, submissive community, and yet, here we are, still talking
about the same unresolved needs which leads me to believe that a new buyer may
not make much difference. We’ve been screaming from the rooftop for years and
it seems to fall on deaf (or hard of hearing) ears. I have no doubt that a collaborative
group of serious and experienced people could put together a great proposal,
but I would be hesitant to give all that hard work over freely without any guarantee
that it would be taken seriously, let alone implemented.

Then again, I could be completely wrong. Just my 2 cents worth, if that.