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| | | Author: | TyresOFlaherty  | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2019 11:34 | | Subject: | Questions about Unikitty / Counterparts | | Viewed: | 93 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| I noticed that some of the sets from TLM and TLM2 that have Unikitty with alternate
face pieces have her listed as a Counterpart and others do not.
Just wondering if I could get the pending minifigs approved so that these are
all consistent.
Thanks!
COMCON040-1
tlm080: Cheerykitty (Cheery Kitty)
tlm081: Cutesykitty (Cutesy Kitty)
70818 - Double Decker Couch
tlm093: Unikitty - Puzzled, Sitting
tlm097: Unikitty - Unikitty - Eyes Watering, Sitting - Waiting for Approval
COMCON057-1
tlm101: Rage Kitty
tlm102: Angry Kitty
70822 - Unikitty's Sweetest Friends EVER!
tlm126: Unikitty - Lopsided Smile
tlm168: Unikitty - Eyes Closed, Smile with Tongue Out - Waiting for Approval
70831 - Emmet's Dream House/Rescue Rocket!
tlm147: Unikitty - Warrior Kitty, Sleeping
tlm146: Unikitty - Warrior Kitty, Frowning - Waiting for Approva
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2019 12:26 | | Subject: | Re: Questions about Unikitty / Counterparts | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| The minifigs listed as Counterparts in any of these sets should not have been
accepted to the catalog. They do not fit the definition for how BrickLink defines
the minifigs, and the alternate faces would be considered play scenarios. I will
need to discuss this with the other admins, but my first thoughts are to *not*
accept further Counterpart figures and reverse the decision of the prior figures
and have them marked for deletion.
Cheers,
Randy
In Catalog, TyresOFlaherty writes:
| | I noticed that some of the sets from TLM and TLM2 that have Unikitty with alternate
face pieces have her listed as a Counterpart and others do not.
Just wondering if I could get the pending minifigs approved so that these are
all consistent.
Thanks!
COMCON040-1
tlm080: Cheerykitty (Cheery Kitty)
tlm081: Cutesykitty (Cutesy Kitty)
70818 - Double Decker Couch
tlm093: Unikitty - Puzzled, Sitting
tlm097: Unikitty - Unikitty - Eyes Watering, Sitting - Waiting for Approval
COMCON057-1
tlm101: Rage Kitty
tlm102: Angry Kitty
70822 - Unikitty's Sweetest Friends EVER!
tlm126: Unikitty - Lopsided Smile
tlm168: Unikitty - Eyes Closed, Smile with Tongue Out - Waiting for Approval
70831 - Emmet's Dream House/Rescue Rocket!
tlm147: Unikitty - Warrior Kitty, Sleeping
tlm146: Unikitty - Warrior Kitty, Frowning - Waiting for Approva
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| | | | | | | Author: | TyresOFlaherty | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2019 12:37 | | Subject: | Re: Questions about Unikitty / Counterparts | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Randy,
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly! (And nice avatar, Blacktron II forever!)
That makes sense, and my only counter-point to that is that Brickset uses info
from here to list minifigures, and being a collector, it's nice to be able
to have each of the alternate figs listed in a collection. Additionally, it gives
sellers more options to sell unique minifigs as well.
Just giving my two cents.
Thanks!
-Kevin
P.S. I'm curious how those decisions are made, is there one person that decides
on all these things, or do a bunch of admins just come to an agreement? Just
wondering 
In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
| | The minifigs listed as Counterparts in any of these sets should not have been
accepted to the catalog. They do not fit the definition for how BrickLink defines
the minifigs, and the alternate faces would be considered play scenarios. I will
need to discuss this with the other admins, but my first thoughts are to *not*
accept further Counterpart figures and reverse the decision of the prior figures
and have them marked for deletion.
Cheers,
Randy
In Catalog, TyresOFlaherty writes:
| | I noticed that some of the sets from TLM and TLM2 that have Unikitty with alternate
face pieces have her listed as a Counterpart and others do not.
Just wondering if I could get the pending minifigs approved so that these are
all consistent.
Thanks!
COMCON040-1
tlm080: Cheerykitty (Cheery Kitty)
tlm081: Cutesykitty (Cutesy Kitty)
70818 - Double Decker Couch
tlm093: Unikitty - Puzzled, Sitting
tlm097: Unikitty - Unikitty - Eyes Watering, Sitting - Waiting for Approval
COMCON057-1
tlm101: Rage Kitty
tlm102: Angry Kitty
70822 - Unikitty's Sweetest Friends EVER!
tlm126: Unikitty - Lopsided Smile
tlm168: Unikitty - Eyes Closed, Smile with Tongue Out - Waiting for Approval
70831 - Emmet's Dream House/Rescue Rocket!
tlm147: Unikitty - Warrior Kitty, Sleeping
tlm146: Unikitty - Warrior Kitty, Frowning - Waiting for Approva
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2019 20:07 | | Subject: | Re: Questions about Unikitty / Counterparts | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog Requests, TyresOFlaherty writes:
| | Randy,
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly! (And nice avatar, Blacktron II forever!)
That makes sense, and my only counter-point to that is that Brickset uses info
from here to list minifigures, and being a collector, it's nice to be able
to have each of the alternate figs listed in a collection. Additionally, it gives
sellers more options to sell unique minifigs as well.
Just giving my two cents.
Thanks!
-Kevin
P.S. I'm curious how those decisions are made, is there one person that decides
on all these things, or do a bunch of admins just come to an agreement? Just
wondering
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We've discovered that the only two to have multiple versions of the minifig
were the SDCC exclusives, and there were no instructions for those - only box
art that wasn't always consistent.
Considering the fact that people aren't going to be parting out those sets
for the minifigures, there doesn't seem to be a lot of harm in leaving those
two as exceptions.
But for all other sets, we've decided one entry is enough. To allow more
entries like this would create a precedent with huge implications. So your pending
entries will be rejected in a few days.
FYI, decisions like this are often made in the back rooms of BL where the admins
have their own Forum.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 19, 2019 09:22 | | Subject: | Re: Questions about Unikitty / Counterparts | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| It does feel like a shame to have a set containing Unikitties almost identical
to the sought after SDCC Unikitty and not have a catalog listing to sell them.
In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, TyresOFlaherty writes:
| | Randy,
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly! (And nice avatar, Blacktron II forever!)
That makes sense, and my only counter-point to that is that Brickset uses info
from here to list minifigures, and being a collector, it's nice to be able
to have each of the alternate figs listed in a collection. Additionally, it gives
sellers more options to sell unique minifigs as well.
Just giving my two cents.
Thanks!
-Kevin
P.S. I'm curious how those decisions are made, is there one person that decides
on all these things, or do a bunch of admins just come to an agreement? Just
wondering
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We've discovered that the only two to have multiple versions of the minifig
were the SDCC exclusives, and there were no instructions for those - only box
art that wasn't always consistent.
Considering the fact that people aren't going to be parting out those sets
for the minifigures, there doesn't seem to be a lot of harm in leaving those
two as exceptions.
But for all other sets, we've decided one entry is enough. To allow more
entries like this would create a precedent with huge implications. So your pending
entries will be rejected in a few days.
FYI, decisions like this are often made in the back rooms of BL where the admins
have their own Forum.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mjwest83 | | Posted: | Feb 8, 2020 11:31 | | Subject: | Re: Questions about Unikitty / Counterparts | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | But for all other sets, we've decided one entry is enough. To allow more
entries like this would create a precedent with huge implications. So your pending
entries will be rejected in a few days.
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In regards to the two Unikitties in set , if you only want to list
one of them, fine. But which one? The decision is totally arbitrary. The box
itself is effectively two separate presentations. It doesn't have a front
and back, so much as two fronts. If you look at the instructions, they do NOT
have numbers. Instead it has two equal, independent instruction books. Really,
this set is two completely independent sets that happen to use the same parts.
As such, choosing just one of those Unikitties is a completely arbitrary decision,
and it can be argued that either one should be the primary.
This is NOT a case where there is an obvious primary build of the minifigure,
with a side picture showing an alternative build. (Like a character that has
both a helmet and hair, where one is the primary build, and the other is an alternative
for play purposes.) No, this is outright two separate minifigures that just happen
to use common parts. This is a very different case than just about any other
situation.
Also, if they can't be listed as counter-parts, how are they supposed to
be sold. It is flat out the case that this minifigure will be sold as a minifigure,
whether it has a specific listing or not. There are only two ways to do so: one
is as a custom figure (which is pointless) and the other is as an incomplete
set (which is what will be done). When listed as an incomplete set, this pollutes
the averages on which so much stuff is based. When it is such a small part of
the set, that can have a very over-sized impact on those averages. By allowing
the counterpart figure, you avoid those issues.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 8, 2020 14:39 | | Subject: | Re: Questions about Unikitty / Counterparts | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mjwest83 writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | But for all other sets, we've decided one entry is enough. To allow more
entries like this would create a precedent with huge implications. So your pending
entries will be rejected in a few days.
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In regards to the two Unikitties in set , if you only want to list
one of them, fine. But which one? The decision is totally arbitrary. The box
itself is effectively two separate presentations. It doesn't have a front
and back, so much as two fronts. If you look at the instructions, they do NOT
have numbers. Instead it has two equal, independent instruction books. Really,
this set is two completely independent sets that happen to use the same parts.
As such, choosing just one of those Unikitties is a completely arbitrary decision,
and it can be argued that either one should be the primary.
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The box, instructions, and LEGO set description are definitive about the situation,
although it may not look that way at first.
(1) LEGO lists the first instruction manual as the one used to build the house.
(2) The set is named "Emmet's Dream House/Rescue Rocket!", so it is clear
which model is considered the main model and which is considered the alternate
model.
(3) The set description from LEGO.com says "This 2-in-1 construction toy features
Emmet’s home which can be rebuilt into a rocket."
All of the key information is there to determine that the main model is the house
and the alternate model is the rescue rocket. Based on that determination, the
instruction manual for the house takes precedence.
| | This is NOT a case where there is an obvious primary build of the minifigure,
with a side picture showing an alternative build. (Like a character that has
both a helmet and hair, where one is the primary build, and the other is an alternative
for play purposes.) No, this is outright two separate minifigures that just happen
to use common parts. This is a very different case than just about any other
situation.
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It cannot be two separate minifigures, because there is only one tail for Unikitty
in the set, as well as only one set of ears, one horn, and one headband plate.
Therefore, we have to make a decision about what minifigure gets added to the
set for now. That minifigure was determined based on the above data that I listed.
In the future, when the "Minifigs:" section of an inventory will hopefully just
be an "Assemblies:" section which includes other assembled counterparts, two
different assemblies of parts can be added. However, we are nowhere close to
that.
The admins can discuss this situation some more, but I don't believe we will
come to a different decision at this time.
Cheers,
Randy
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