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 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Feb 3, 2019 06:00
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We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Feb 3, 2019 06:32
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In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Nice to hear he responded. Hopefully some work can be done. He should definitely
do something about the pricing issue: Either add support for currencies and VAT,
OR add a very clear warning the currency conversion for the Last 6 Months Sales
can never be accurate and that all retrieved prices exclude VAT. It's
a serious issue for us all, because it's invisble promotion for undercutting
and the race to the bottom affects us all, whether we use Brickstock or not.
If this is addressed, I will certainly buy Brickstock.
 Author: enig View Messages Posted By enig
 Posted: Feb 3, 2019 06:49
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In Related Software, Teup writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Nice to hear he responded. Hopefully some work can be done. He should definitely
do something about the pricing issue: Either add support for currencies and VAT,
OR add a very clear warning the currency conversion for the Last 6 Months Sales
can never be accurate and that all retrieved prices exclude VAT. It's
a serious issue for us all, because it's invisble promotion for undercutting
and the race to the bottom affects us all, whether we use Brickstock or not.
If this is addressed, I will certainly buy Brickstock.

The vast majority of the sellers that use BrickStock auto-price are I think lower
volume sellers. I can not imagine many business-level sellers using auto-price.

Only a tiny percentage of the smaller sellers would consider paying a monthly
fee above 1 USD / GBB / USD, or even a lifetime licence priced above 10. It's
a psychological thing, let a lone if you can do the same thing by parting out
a set directly in BL.

Which pretty much means no tangible change would be achieved, if the 'fixed'
version of BrickStock would only be available to paying users.

On that note - isn't BL's own auto-price also setting the prices in the
exact same manner as the current version of BrickStock?
 Author: enig View Messages Posted By enig
 Posted: Feb 3, 2019 07:01
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In Related Software, enig writes:
  In Related Software, Teup writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Nice to hear he responded. Hopefully some work can be done. He should definitely
do something about the pricing issue: Either add support for currencies and VAT,
OR add a very clear warning the currency conversion for the Last 6 Months Sales
can never be accurate and that all retrieved prices exclude VAT. It's
a serious issue for us all, because it's invisble promotion for undercutting
and the race to the bottom affects us all, whether we use Brickstock or not.
If this is addressed, I will certainly buy Brickstock.

The vast majority of the sellers that use BrickStock auto-price are I think lower
volume sellers. I can not imagine many business-level sellers using auto-price.

Only a tiny percentage of the smaller sellers would consider paying a monthly
fee above 1 USD / GBB / USD, or even a lifetime licence priced above 10. It's
a psychological thing, let a lone if you can do the same thing by parting out
a set directly in BL.

Which pretty much means no tangible change would be achieved, if the 'fixed'
version of BrickStock would only be available to paying users.

On that note - isn't BL's own auto-price also setting the prices in the
exact same manner as the current version of BrickStock?

LOL.... BL's own auto-price seems to be setting the prices to nearly 10%
less than BrickStock, if using 6 month avg...

Tested with the more expensive 10179-1 parts, I might be totally wrong. Can also
be the currency thing (would kinda make sense), or anything else that you guys
might have found out - I have not been following any of the discussions lately.

Point is - if you are a seller in EU and parting-out sets directly in BL and
auto-pricing everything, you might be setting your prices lower than you probably
want and/or should.

Has this been noticed before? Could have this significantly contribute to the
price-race to the bottom?
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Feb 3, 2019 07:14
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In Related Software, enig writes:
  In Related Software, enig writes:
  In Related Software, Teup writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Nice to hear he responded. Hopefully some work can be done. He should definitely
do something about the pricing issue: Either add support for currencies and VAT,
OR add a very clear warning the currency conversion for the Last 6 Months Sales
can never be accurate and that all retrieved prices exclude VAT. It's
a serious issue for us all, because it's invisble promotion for undercutting
and the race to the bottom affects us all, whether we use Brickstock or not.
If this is addressed, I will certainly buy Brickstock.

The vast majority of the sellers that use BrickStock auto-price are I think lower
volume sellers. I can not imagine many business-level sellers using auto-price.

Only a tiny percentage of the smaller sellers would consider paying a monthly
fee above 1 USD / GBB / USD, or even a lifetime licence priced above 10. It's
a psychological thing, let a lone if you can do the same thing by parting out
a set directly in BL.

Which pretty much means no tangible change would be achieved, if the 'fixed'
version of BrickStock would only be available to paying users.

On that note - isn't BL's own auto-price also setting the prices in the
exact same manner as the current version of BrickStock?

LOL.... BL's own auto-price seems to be setting the prices to nearly 10%
less than BrickStock, if using 6 month avg...

Tested with the more expensive 10179-1 parts, I might be totally wrong. Can also
be the currency thing (would kinda make sense), or anything else that you guys
might have found out - I have not been following any of the discussions lately.



Usually Brickstock prices will be lower than the actual average for a EU based
person since there's no VAT. But if it's last 6 Months Sales we're
talking about: Then there's a second factor that makes anything possible:
Currency conversion. Because first, all transactions are converted to $ with
the exchange rate of the day of the transaction, and then that average number
that Brickstock downloads is converted back to € with your (today's) exchange
rate. I've done some calculations in the past and it can cause significant
differences, especially of course if currencies have been fluctuating alot.

There is never a "perfect" principal solution to all this, but I think we can
all see how it would be much better for an EU based user to see all € tranctions
left alone, and all $/GBP ones converted to Euro with the exchange rate of the
day of the transaction. Which is exactly what the Bricklink priceguide gives
us, but sadly not what Brickstock downloads.

  Point is - if you are a seller in EU and parting-out sets directly in BL and
auto-pricing everything, you might be setting your prices lower than you probably
want and/or should.

Has this been noticed before? Could have this significantly contribute to the
price-race to the bottom?

It's actually Brickstock that usually has lower prices, because those prices
are without VAT. Maybe you could check again with Current Average prices - here
there is no clash between historical and today's exchange rates going on.
All that is happening there is the VAT parameter. You will probably find that
Brickstock's prices are some 5% lower (VAT is usually around 20%, and probably
about 1 in 4 sellers pay VAT, so that gives 20 divided by 4 = 5 percent).

You are probably right most sellers will not auto price without changing anything.
However, I think pretty much all sellers do refer to the priceguide in some way,
either deciding to make it more expensive or less expensive. A 5% to 10% lower
price in Brickstock may not seem like a huge deal, but a little difference can
mean alot. If I'm doing even only a 5% off sale, I'm already getting
alot more orders.
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In Related Software, Teup writes:
  In Related Software, enig writes:
  In Related Software, enig writes:
  In Related Software, Teup writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Nice to hear he responded. Hopefully some work can be done. He should definitely
do something about the pricing issue: Either add support for currencies and VAT,
OR add a very clear warning the currency conversion for the Last 6 Months Sales
can never be accurate and that all retrieved prices exclude VAT. It's
a serious issue for us all, because it's invisble promotion for undercutting
and the race to the bottom affects us all, whether we use Brickstock or not.
If this is addressed, I will certainly buy Brickstock.

The vast majority of the sellers that use BrickStock auto-price are I think lower
volume sellers. I can not imagine many business-level sellers using auto-price.

Only a tiny percentage of the smaller sellers would consider paying a monthly
fee above 1 USD / GBB / USD, or even a lifetime licence priced above 10. It's
a psychological thing, let a lone if you can do the same thing by parting out
a set directly in BL.

Which pretty much means no tangible change would be achieved, if the 'fixed'
version of BrickStock would only be available to paying users.

On that note - isn't BL's own auto-price also setting the prices in the
exact same manner as the current version of BrickStock?

LOL.... BL's own auto-price seems to be setting the prices to nearly 10%
less than BrickStock, if using 6 month avg...

A proper auto pricing feature needs work, there can be no doubt about that. Bricklink's
is confusing at best with far too many 'unknowns', whilst Brickstock
feeds off Bricklink it is flawed as well, but this is not an unsolvable riddle.
It needs program changes from someone who understands the issues
  
  
Tested with the more expensive 10179-1 parts, I might be totally wrong. Can also
be the currency thing (would kinda make sense), or anything else that you guys
might have found out - I have not been following any of the discussions lately.

Yes there are currency issues and there is also this lingering question over
VAT but all of these things can be solved if some development work takes place
by someone who understands the issue (Not Bricklink).
  
  


Usually Brickstock prices will be lower than the actual average for a EU based
person since there's no VAT.

That really isn't the case for the UK - see my earlier response. Our prices
in the UK include VAT, otherwise there would be no stores as they would all be
running at a loss. We pay VAT when we buy it and when we sell it, unless we are
giving it away we are charging vat, although we cannot legally present that (we
are not registered), There are less than a dozen stores in the UK who are VAT
registered and that is out of approximately 1000 (Very small percentage)


But if it's last 6 Months Sales we're
  talking about: Then there's a second factor that makes anything possible:
Currency conversion. Because first, all transactions are converted to $ with
the exchange rate of the day of the transaction, and then that average number
that Brickstock downloads is converted back to € with your (today's) exchange
rate. I've done some calculations in the past and it can cause significant
differences, especially of course if currencies have been fluctuating alot.

Until this is properly and comprehensively explained there is too much unknown.
Are the 6 month sold figures shown at the rate they were at when sold? Or are
they taken as a bulk figure and convert4ed at todays rate (Illogical, of course,
but stranger things have happened on bRICKLINK)

  
There is never a "perfect" principal solution to all this, but I think we can
all see how it would be much better for an EU based user to see all € tranctions
left alone, and all $/GBP ones converted to Euro with the exchange rate of the
day of the transaction. Which is exactly what the Bricklink priceguide gives
us, but sadly not what Brickstock downloads.

Not sure that is correct. Brickstock doe not do any calculations whatsoever at
the moment it only reads the data in Bricklink.


  
  Point is - if you are a seller in EU and parting-out sets directly in BL and
auto-pricing everything, you might be setting your prices lower than you probably
want and/or should.

You are also on the slippery road if you do things that way - it simply does
not work as it needs to.
  
  
Has this been noticed before? Could have this significantly contribute to the
price-race to the bottom?

This has been an issue for as long as I can remember and that is over 10 years.
No one has properly explained it and no one has done anything about it that is
why you are seeing so much dialogue about it and people who do not use any outside
tools whatsoever.
  
It's actually Brickstock that usually has lower prices, because those prices
are without VAT. Maybe you could check again with Current Average prices - here
there is no clash between historical and today's exchange rates going on.
All that is happening there is the VAT parameter. You will probably find that
Brickstock's prices are some 5% lower (VAT is usually around 20%, and probably
about 1 in 4 sellers pay VAT, so that gives 20 divided by 4 = 5 percent).

I believe you are wrong here as point4ed out earlier. As I mentioned the UK's
prices have to include VAT otherwise the stores will go out of business very
quickly. NO matter where they buy their Lego it has vat included in the price
but because they are not registered for VAT in the UK they cannot show it or
claim it back, buy they certainly have to take it into consideration when pricing
their goods otherwise they are losing 20% before they start.
  
You are probably right most sellers will not auto price without changing anything.
However, I think pretty much all sellers do refer to the priceguide in some way,
either deciding to make it more expensive or less expensive. A 5% to 10% lower
price in Brickstock may not seem like a huge deal, but a little difference can
mean alot. If I'm doing even only a 5% off sale, I'm already getting
alot more orders.

As a reference point only - nothing more - we certainly do not auto-price anything
using Bricklink or Brickstock.
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In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, Teup writes:
  Usually Brickstock prices will be lower than the actual average for a EU based
person since there's no VAT.

That really isn't the case for the UK - see my earlier response. Our prices
in the UK include VAT, otherwise there would be no stores as they would all be
running at a loss. We pay VAT when we buy it and when we sell it, unless we are
giving it away we are charging vat, although we cannot legally present that (we
are not registered), There are less than a dozen stores in the UK who are VAT
registered and that is out of approximately 1000 (Very small percentage)

Huh? I mean that Brickstock displays the prices without VAT and Bricklink with
VAT. We had that part that was $1.77 on Bricklink and $1.69 on Brickstock. The
only factor relevant here is: Are you in the EU? If yes, many EU prices for parts
are higher because of VAT, and Bricklink priceguide reflects this, but not in
Brickstock.


  
But if it's last 6 Months Sales we're
  talking about: Then there's a second factor that makes anything possible:
Currency conversion. Because first, all transactions are converted to $ with
the exchange rate of the day of the transaction, and then that average number
that Brickstock downloads is converted back to € with your (today's) exchange
rate. I've done some calculations in the past and it can cause significant
differences, especially of course if currencies have been fluctuating alot.

Until this is properly and comprehensively explained there is too much unknown.
Are the 6 month sold figures shown at the rate they were at when sold? Or are
they taken as a bulk figure and convert4ed at todays rate (Illogical, of course,
but stranger things have happened on bRICKLINK)

  
There is never a "perfect" principal solution to all this, but I think we can
all see how it would be much better for an EU based user to see all € tranctions
left alone, and all $/GBP ones converted to Euro with the exchange rate of the
day of the transaction. Which is exactly what the Bricklink priceguide gives
us, but sadly not what Brickstock downloads.

Not sure that is correct. Brickstock doe not do any calculations whatsoever at
the moment it only reads the data in Bricklink.

This is definitely known. We have reseached this extensively in another topic
(I think it was a topic by you). We found that the Current Average can be converted
with a simple multiplication, but the L6MS can never be converted because it's
a sum of converted transactions. We even dug into the exchange rate history and
found it to be consistent with the devations of the priceguide. So yes, without
any doubt this is how it works: The price guide displays the average of all transactions
in your viewing currency, mixed with all transactions not in your viewing currency
converted to your viewing currency with the exchange rate of the date of the
purchase.


  
  It's actually Brickstock that usually has lower prices, because those prices
are without VAT. Maybe you could check again with Current Average prices - here
there is no clash between historical and today's exchange rates going on.
All that is happening there is the VAT parameter. You will probably find that
Brickstock's prices are some 5% lower (VAT is usually around 20%, and probably
about 1 in 4 sellers pay VAT, so that gives 20 divided by 4 = 5 percent).

I believe you are wrong here as point4ed out earlier. As I mentioned the UK's
prices have to include VAT otherwise the stores will go out of business very
quickly. NO matter where they buy their Lego it has vat included in the price
but because they are not registered for VAT in the UK they cannot show it or
claim it back, buy they certainly have to take it into consideration when pricing
their goods otherwise they are losing 20% before they start.

I mean that Brickstock diplays a lower price than Bricklink does. The Bricklink
price shown including VAT, Brickstock displays it without VAT. Remember we found
that part to be $1.69 also in your Brickstock, while it really is $1.77 on Bricklink:
https://www.bricklink.com/priceGuideSummary.asp?vcID=1&vatInc=Y&a=p&colorID=3&itemID=30179

I've tested it with several parts and the same pattern is revealed again
and again. And that makes complete sense: no VAT in Brickstock. Therefore, pricing
to match the average through Brickstock is actually pricing some 5 to 10% below
what really is the average price for the EU consumer.
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In Related Software, Teup writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, Teup writes:
  Usually Brickstock prices will be lower than the actual average for a EU based
person since there's no VAT.

That really isn't the case for the UK - see my earlier response. Our prices
in the UK include VAT, otherwise there would be no stores as they would all be
running at a loss. We pay VAT when we buy it and when we sell it, unless we are
giving it away we are charging vat, although we cannot legally present that (we
are not registered), There are less than a dozen stores in the UK who are VAT
registered and that is out of approximately 1000 (Very small percentage)

Huh? I mean that Brickstock displays the prices without VAT and Bricklink with
VAT. We had that part that was $1.77 on Bricklink and $1.69 on Brickstock. The
only factor relevant here is: Are you in the EU? If yes, many EU prices for parts
are higher because of VAT, and Bricklink priceguide reflects this, but not in
Brickstock.


  
But if it's last 6 Months Sales we're
  talking about: Then there's a second factor that makes anything possible:
Currency conversion. Because first, all transactions are converted to $ with
the exchange rate of the day of the transaction, and then that average number
that Brickstock downloads is converted back to € with your (today's) exchange
rate. I've done some calculations in the past and it can cause significant
differences, especially of course if currencies have been fluctuating alot.

Until this is properly and comprehensively explained there is too much unknown.
Are the 6 month sold figures shown at the rate they were at when sold? Or are
they taken as a bulk figure and convert4ed at todays rate (Illogical, of course,
but stranger things have happened on bRICKLINK)

  
There is never a "perfect" principal solution to all this, but I think we can
all see how it would be much better for an EU based user to see all € tranctions
left alone, and all $/GBP ones converted to Euro with the exchange rate of the
day of the transaction. Which is exactly what the Bricklink priceguide gives
us, but sadly not what Brickstock downloads.

Not sure that is correct. Brickstock doe not do any calculations whatsoever at
the moment it only reads the data in Bricklink.

This is definitely known. We have reseached this extensively in another topic
(I think it was a topic by you). We found that the Current Average can be converted
with a simple multiplication, but the L6MS can never be converted because it's
a sum of converted transactions. We even dug into the exchange rate history and
found it to be consistent with the devations of the priceguide. So yes, without
any doubt this is how it works: The price guide displays the average of all transactions
in your viewing currency, mixed with all transactions not in your viewing currency
converted to your viewing currency with the exchange rate of the date of the
purchase.


  
  It's actually Brickstock that usually has lower prices, because those prices
are without VAT. Maybe you could check again with Current Average prices - here
there is no clash between historical and today's exchange rates going on.
All that is happening there is the VAT parameter. You will probably find that
Brickstock's prices are some 5% lower (VAT is usually around 20%, and probably
about 1 in 4 sellers pay VAT, so that gives 20 divided by 4 = 5 percent).

I believe you are wrong here as point4ed out earlier. As I mentioned the UK's
prices have to include VAT otherwise the stores will go out of business very
quickly. NO matter where they buy their Lego it has vat included in the price
but because they are not registered for VAT in the UK they cannot show it or
claim it back, buy they certainly have to take it into consideration when pricing
their goods otherwise they are losing 20% before they start.

I mean that Brickstock diplays a lower price than Bricklink does. The Bricklink
price shown including VAT, Brickstock displays it without VAT. Remember we found
that part to be $1.69 also in your Brickstock, while it really is $1.77 on Bricklink:
https://www.bricklink.com/priceGuideSummary.asp?vcID=1&vatInc=Y&a=p&colorID=3&itemID=30179

I've tested it with several parts and the same pattern is revealed again
and again. And that makes complete sense: no VAT in Brickstock. Therefore, pricing
to match the average through Brickstock is actually pricing some 5 to 10% below
what really is the average price for the EU consumer.

Try this by yourself. This part:

 
Part No: 91884pb003  Name: Minifigure, Shield Round with Stud and Ring Around Edge with Dark Red and Gold Aztec Pattern
* 
91884pb003 Minifigure, Shield Round with Stud and Ring Around Edge with Dark Red and Gold Aztec Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Shield

What does the priceguide tell you is the current average? I bet it's around
GBP 2.39.

Now load it in Brickstock and set it to the current average. What do you get?
I bet it's around GBP 2.18.

In Dollar, here are the priceguide details:
With VAT: https://www.bricklink.com/priceGuideSummary.asp?vcID=1&vatInc=Y&a=p&colorID=115&itemID=91884pb003

Without VAT: https://www.bricklink.com/priceGuideSummary.asp?vcID=1&vatInc=N&a=p&colorID=115&itemID=91884pb003
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In Related Software, Teup writes:
  In Related Software, Teup writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, Teup writes:
  Usually Brickstock prices will be lower than the actual average for a EU based
person since there's no VAT.

That really isn't the case for the UK - see my earlier response. Our prices
in the UK include VAT, otherwise there would be no stores as they would all be
running at a loss. We pay VAT when we buy it and when we sell it, unless we are
giving it away we are charging vat, although we cannot legally present that (we
are not registered), There are less than a dozen stores in the UK who are VAT
registered and that is out of approximately 1000 (Very small percentage)

Huh? I mean that Brickstock displays the prices without VAT and Bricklink with
VAT. We had that part that was $1.77 on Bricklink and $1.69 on Brickstock. The
only factor relevant here is: Are you in the EU? If yes, many EU prices for parts
are higher because of VAT, and Bricklink priceguide reflects this, but not in
Brickstock.


  
But if it's last 6 Months Sales we're
  talking about: Then there's a second factor that makes anything possible:
Currency conversion. Because first, all transactions are converted to $ with
the exchange rate of the day of the transaction, and then that average number
that Brickstock downloads is converted back to € with your (today's) exchange
rate. I've done some calculations in the past and it can cause significant
differences, especially of course if currencies have been fluctuating alot.

Until this is properly and comprehensively explained there is too much unknown.
Are the 6 month sold figures shown at the rate they were at when sold? Or are
they taken as a bulk figure and convert4ed at todays rate (Illogical, of course,
but stranger things have happened on bRICKLINK)

  
There is never a "perfect" principal solution to all this, but I think we can
all see how it would be much better for an EU based user to see all € tranctions
left alone, and all $/GBP ones converted to Euro with the exchange rate of the
day of the transaction. Which is exactly what the Bricklink priceguide gives
us, but sadly not what Brickstock downloads.

Not sure that is correct. Brickstock doe not do any calculations whatsoever at
the moment it only reads the data in Bricklink.

This is definitely known. We have reseached this extensively in another topic
(I think it was a topic by you). We found that the Current Average can be converted
with a simple multiplication, but the L6MS can never be converted because it's
a sum of converted transactions. We even dug into the exchange rate history and
found it to be consistent with the devations of the priceguide. So yes, without
any doubt this is how it works: The price guide displays the average of all transactions
in your viewing currency, mixed with all transactions not in your viewing currency
converted to your viewing currency with the exchange rate of the date of the
purchase.


  
  It's actually Brickstock that usually has lower prices, because those prices
are without VAT. Maybe you could check again with Current Average prices - here
there is no clash between historical and today's exchange rates going on.
All that is happening there is the VAT parameter. You will probably find that
Brickstock's prices are some 5% lower (VAT is usually around 20%, and probably
about 1 in 4 sellers pay VAT, so that gives 20 divided by 4 = 5 percent).

I believe you are wrong here as point4ed out earlier. As I mentioned the UK's
prices have to include VAT otherwise the stores will go out of business very
quickly. NO matter where they buy their Lego it has vat included in the price
but because they are not registered for VAT in the UK they cannot show it or
claim it back, buy they certainly have to take it into consideration when pricing
their goods otherwise they are losing 20% before they start.

I mean that Brickstock diplays a lower price than Bricklink does. The Bricklink
price shown including VAT, Brickstock displays it without VAT. Remember we found
that part to be $1.69 also in your Brickstock, while it really is $1.77 on Bricklink:
https://www.bricklink.com/priceGuideSummary.asp?vcID=1&vatInc=Y&a=p&colorID=3&itemID=30179

I've tested it with several parts and the same pattern is revealed again
and again. And that makes complete sense: no VAT in Brickstock. Therefore, pricing
to match the average through Brickstock is actually pricing some 5 to 10% below
what really is the average price for the EU consumer.

Try this by yourself. This part:

 
Part No: 91884pb003  Name: Minifigure, Shield Round with Stud and Ring Around Edge with Dark Red and Gold Aztec Pattern
* 
91884pb003 Minifigure, Shield Round with Stud and Ring Around Edge with Dark Red and Gold Aztec Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Shield

What does the priceguide tell you is the current average? I bet it's around
GBP 2.39.

Now load it in Brickstock and set it to the current average. What do you get?
I bet it's around GBP 2.18.

In Dollar, here are the priceguide details:
With VAT: https://www.bricklink.com/priceGuideSummary.asp?vcID=1&vatInc=Y&a=p&colorID=115&itemID=91884pb003

Without VAT: https://www.bricklink.com/priceGuideSummary.asp?vcID=1&vatInc=N&a=p&colorID=115&itemID=91884pb003

We cannot really test this as we cannot see 'with vat inclusive prices'.
It appears that feature is only enabled if you say your store is vat registered.
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In Related Software, Teup writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, Teup writes:
  Usually Brickstock prices will be lower than the actual average for a EU based
person since there's no VAT.

That really isn't the case for the UK - see my earlier response. Our prices
in the UK include VAT, otherwise there would be no stores as they would all be
running at a loss. We pay VAT when we buy it and when we sell it, unless we are
giving it away we are charging vat, although we cannot legally present that (we
are not registered), There are less than a dozen stores in the UK who are VAT
registered and that is out of approximately 1000 (Very small percentage)

Huh? I mean that Brickstock displays the prices without VAT and Bricklink with
VAT. We had that part that was $1.77 on Bricklink and $1.69 on Brickstock. The
only factor relevant here is: Are you in the EU? If yes, many EU prices for parts
are higher because of VAT, and Bricklink priceguide reflects this, but not in
Brickstock.


  
But if it's last 6 Months Sales we're
  talking about: Then there's a second factor that makes anything possible:
Currency conversion. Because first, all transactions are converted to $ with
the exchange rate of the day of the transaction, and then that average number
that Brickstock downloads is converted back to € with your (today's) exchange
rate. I've done some calculations in the past and it can cause significant
differences, especially of course if currencies have been fluctuating alot.

Until this is properly and comprehensively explained there is too much unknown.
Are the 6 month sold figures shown at the rate they were at when sold? Or are
they taken as a bulk figure and convert4ed at todays rate (Illogical, of course,
but stranger things have happened on bRICKLINK)

  
There is never a "perfect" principal solution to all this, but I think we can
all see how it would be much better for an EU based user to see all € tranctions
left alone, and all $/GBP ones converted to Euro with the exchange rate of the
day of the transaction. Which is exactly what the Bricklink priceguide gives
us, but sadly not what Brickstock downloads.

Not sure that is correct. Brickstock doe not do any calculations whatsoever at
the moment it only reads the data in Bricklink.

This is definitely known. We have reseached this extensively in another topic
(I think it was a topic by you). We found that the Current Average can be converted
with a simple multiplication, but the L6MS can never be converted because it's
a sum of converted transactions. We even dug into the exchange rate history and
found it to be consistent with the devations of the priceguide. So yes, without
any doubt this is how it works: The price guide displays the average of all transactions
in your viewing currency, mixed with all transactions not in your viewing currency
converted to your viewing currency with the exchange rate of the date of the
purchase.


  
  It's actually Brickstock that usually has lower prices, because those prices
are without VAT. Maybe you could check again with Current Average prices - here
there is no clash between historical and today's exchange rates going on.
All that is happening there is the VAT parameter. You will probably find that
Brickstock's prices are some 5% lower (VAT is usually around 20%, and probably
about 1 in 4 sellers pay VAT, so that gives 20 divided by 4 = 5 percent).

I believe you are wrong here as point4ed out earlier. As I mentioned the UK's
prices have to include VAT otherwise the stores will go out of business very
quickly. NO matter where they buy their Lego it has vat included in the price
but because they are not registered for VAT in the UK they cannot show it or
claim it back, buy they certainly have to take it into consideration when pricing
their goods otherwise they are losing 20% before they start.

I mean that Brickstock diplays a lower price than Bricklink does. The Bricklink
price shown including VAT, Brickstock displays it without VAT. Remember we found
that part to be $1.69 also in your Brickstock, while it really is $1.77 on Bricklink:
https://www.bricklink.com/priceGuideSummary.asp?vcID=1&vatInc=Y&a=p&colorID=3&itemID=30179

I've tested it with several parts and the same pattern is revealed again
and again. And that makes complete sense: no VAT in Brickstock. Therefore, pricing
to match the average through Brickstock is actually pricing some 5 to 10% below
what really is the average price for the EU consumer.

I will respond later to this once I have got everything in front of me.
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Maybe we should start a KickStarter here?
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In Related Software, enig writes:
  In Related Software, enig writes:
  In Related Software, Teup writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Nice to hear he responded. Hopefully some work can be done. He should definitely
do something about the pricing issue: Either add support for currencies and VAT,
OR add a very clear warning the currency conversion for the Last 6 Months Sales
can never be accurate and that all retrieved prices exclude VAT. It's
a serious issue for us all, because it's invisble promotion for undercutting
and the race to the bottom affects us all, whether we use Brickstock or not.
If this is addressed, I will certainly buy Brickstock.

The vast majority of the sellers that use BrickStock auto-price are I think lower
volume sellers. I can not imagine many business-level sellers using auto-price.

Only a tiny percentage of the smaller sellers would consider paying a monthly
fee above 1 USD / GBB / USD, or even a lifetime licence priced above 10. It's
a psychological thing, let a lone if you can do the same thing by parting out
a set directly in BL.

Which pretty much means no tangible change would be achieved, if the 'fixed'
version of BrickStock would only be available to paying users.

On that note - isn't BL's own auto-price also setting the prices in the
exact same manner as the current version of BrickStock?

LOL.... BL's own auto-price seems to be setting the prices to nearly 10%
less than BrickStock, if using 6 month avg...

Tested with the more expensive 10179-1 parts, I might be totally wrong. Can also
be the currency thing (would kinda make sense), or anything else that you guys
might have found out - I have not been following any of the discussions lately.

Point is - if you are a seller in EU and parting-out sets directly in BL and
auto-pricing everything, you might be setting your prices lower than you probably
want and/or should.

Has this been noticed before? Could have this significantly contribute to the
price-race to the bottom?

Yes it has absolutely - this is one of the reasons for the various discussions.
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In Related Software, enig writes:
  In Related Software, Teup writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Nice to hear he responded. Hopefully some work can be done. He should definitely
do something about the pricing issue: Either add support for currencies and VAT,
OR add a very clear warning the currency conversion for the Last 6 Months Sales
can never be accurate and that all retrieved prices exclude VAT. It's
a serious issue for us all, because it's invisble promotion for undercutting
and the race to the bottom affects us all, whether we use Brickstock or not.
If this is addressed, I will certainly buy Brickstock.

The vast majority of the sellers that use BrickStock auto-price are I think lower
volume sellers. I can not imagine many business-level sellers using auto-price.

and you know this how ?
  
Only a tiny percentage of the smaller sellers would consider paying a monthly
fee above 1 USD / GBB / USD, or even a lifetime licence priced above 10. It's
a psychological thing, let a lone if you can do the same thing by parting out
a set directly in BL.

Brickstock supplements Bricklink in a variety of ways not just auto-pricing -
it is better on inventory management and changes than Bricklink - far better
in our poinion - using the my inventory page in bricklink is clumsy to say the
least and that is not the case in Brickstock.

There are lots of reasons people use Brickstock other than partging out - in
fact in over 8 years of using the product we have never used it for parting out
until recently. It provides a full audit trail of what you have parted the set
out for which Bricklink does not.
  
Which pretty much means no tangible change would be achieved, if the 'fixed'
version of BrickStock would only be available to paying users.

We are not talking about a 'fixed' version - we are talking about an
enhanced version with new features being developed and funded by the subscribers.

  
On that note - isn't BL's own auto-price also setting the prices in the
exact same manner as the current version of BrickStock?

I think we established that yesterday in an earlier thread.
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In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.


Personally I would not use any 3rd party software to run my BL store unless it
was supported by BL otherwise I think there will always be problems with data
feeds etc. If there was a support agreement in place I might consider it but
unlikely as I'd rather not be dependent on it and have managed without it
for 12 years.

Robert
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In Related Software, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.


Personally I would not use any 3rd party software to run my BL store unless it
was supported by BL otherwise I think there will always be problems with data
feeds etc. If there was a support agreement in place I might consider it but
unlikely as I'd rather not be dependent on it and have managed without it
for 12 years.

Robert

Hi Robert and thank you for adding your thoughts. A support agreement would be
one of the things in any proposal we make, oth4rwise there is no point. All of
this would be quite moot if Bricklink lived up to their promises.
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Great idea, but please keep in mind that charging for the product will most likely
cause it to be in violation with Bricklink ToS. That's why the current one
is the same in the free version as in the paid version.
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In Related Software, sarbaek writes:
  Great idea, but please keep in mind that charging for the product will most likely
cause it to be in violation with Bricklink ToS. That's why the current one
is the same in the free version as in the paid version.

I do not believe this to be the case., otherwise they would be in breach with
the current 'paid for version', and they are not nor have they ever been.
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In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, sarbaek writes:
  Great idea, but please keep in mind that charging for the product will most likely
cause it to be in violation with Bricklink ToS. That's why the current one
is the same in the free version as in the paid version.

I do not believe this to be the case., otherwise they would be in breach with
the current 'paid for version', and they are not nor have they ever been.

No, this has been discussed before when new apps pop up. The only difference
between the paid and the free version is a prompt that pops up every 20 mins,
so you are actually not paying for usage of Bricklink API.

At the very least you should ensure approval by BL before investing anything
in this.
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In Related Software, sarbaek writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, sarbaek writes:
  Great idea, but please keep in mind that charging for the product will most likely
cause it to be in violation with Bricklink ToS. That's why the current one
is the same in the free version as in the paid version.

I do not believe this to be the case., otherwise they would be in breach with
the current 'paid for version', and they are not nor have they ever been.

No, this has been discussed before when new apps pop up. The only difference
between the paid and the free version is a prompt that pops up every 20 mins,
so you are actually not paying for usage of Bricklink API.

At the very least you should ensure approval by BL before investing anything
in this.

Should this go ahead all areas will be dealt with.
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I would be on board with this change. I use the "paid/seller" access and it
has worked wonders. I know I dont use it to its fullest potential, but have definitely
gotten my monies worth out of it.

One thing that I would like to see updated, is the ability to import/export non
Lego items: such as BrickForge, Brick Warriors etc. I keep my non Lego stock
(BrickForge & Brick Warriors) in one of my stock rooms for inventory tracking
(mycost/selling price). As of now, BS will not import/export these.

Another idea is to come up with more templates to use. I have tried using some,
and I think it would be nice if there was more based on country of origin. Maybe
with the supported service, there could be some updated YouTube demonstration/tutorials
made.

I'd be willing to do a subscription service. Maybe do a month to month price,
and an annual price. I would say just a couple of $/€/£ per month. There might
also need to be some technical support behind it as well. I think BS is great.
I use it heavily to upload/download inventory. I've used it to download
orders, a couple of times. Just some thoughts. If I come up with more, I'll
post here.

Brian
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In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.
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Count me in.

I mostly use BrickStock to manage many projects of customers that simultaneously
need my attention. It is a storage and completion tool for my, besides the pleasure
it gives uploading stuff to my store.

Pricing most be interested to all parties involved.

We could set up a Google-questionnaire for it? Not me, btw, never done that,
but it will certainly help establishing the size of userbase.
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In Related Software, calsbricks writes:

  We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro.

+1
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In Related Software, DadsAFOL writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:

  We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro.

+1

+1
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I love BrickStock

More than happy to pay for a pro version with bugs fixed, item cost added and
extra features.

Milissa
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In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Who would develop it?
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In Related Software, BricksThatStick writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Who would develop it?

The current developer if agreement can be reached, input from existing users
of the software would be investigated and where possible prioritized for completion.
So the changes to the software would be from those who use it, not purely from
the developer. That is different to the current Bricklink work/developments.

Hope that makes that point clear, but if the current author cannot do the work
due to his full time job occupying all of his time then we will have to seek
an alternative. In that case the 'deal' would have to be re-discussed.
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In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, BricksThatStick writes:

  
  Who would develop it?

The current developer if agreement can be reached, input from existing users
of the software would be investigated and where possible prioritized for completion.
So the changes to the software would be from those who use it, not purely from
the developer. That is different to the current Bricklink work/developments.

Hope that makes that point clear, but if the current author cannot do the work
due to his full time job occupying all of his time then we will have to seek
an alternative. In that case the 'deal' would have to be re-discussed.

But he doesn't have the time.
Money does not buy him more hours in the day and I doubt he would give up his
job for this.
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In Related Software, bricksinbins writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, BricksThatStick writes:

  
  Who would develop it?

The current developer if agreement can be reached, input from existing users
of the software would be investigated and where possible prioritized for completion.
So the changes to the software would be from those who use it, not purely from
the developer. That is different to the current Bricklink work/developments.

Hope that makes that point clear, but if the current author cannot do the work
due to his full time job occupying all of his time then we will have to seek
an alternative. In that case the 'deal' would have to be re-discussed.

But he doesn't have the time.
Money does not buy him more hours in the day and I doubt he would give up his
job for this.

We won't know that until we put the idea to him backed with people who are
willing to subscribe. As far as anyone else doing the development that is also
being reviewed. We have a programmer looking at the code at the moment.
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In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Be sure you contact us (the BrickLink administration) before investing in any
kind of third-party software. There is no guarantee the site will continue to
support Brickstock or any other inventory syncing mechanism in the future.

And just for the record, sellers' tools are the next thing on the agenda
once the first phase of XP is launched. This launch is right around the corner,
likely March.
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In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:

  kind of third-party software. There is no guarantee the site will continue to
support Brickstock or any other inventory syncing mechanism in the future.

If generic coding is used and proper information is shared with other developers,
it might....


  And just for the record, sellers' tools are the next thing on the agenda
once the first phase of XP is launched. This launch is right around the corner,
likely March.

Thanks for the heads up. Wasn't aware of that.
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In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Be sure you contact us (the BrickLink administration) before investing in any
kind of third-party software. There is no guarantee the site will continue to
support Brickstock or any other inventory syncing mechanism in the future.

Good advise, Russell. As subjective evaluation of third-party software is good
& natural for a business, from time to time. Get a sense of what type of symbiotic
relationship they are: mutualism, commensalism, and parasitism

  
And just for the record, sellers' tools are the next thing on the agenda
once the first phase of XP is launched. This launch is right around the corner,
likely March.

Nice!
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In Related Software, popsicle writes:
  In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Be sure you contact us (the BrickLink administration) before investing in any
kind of third-party software. There is no guarantee the site will continue to
support Brickstock or any other inventory syncing mechanism in the future.

Good advise, Russell. As subjective evaluation of third-party software is good
& natural for a business, from time to time. Get a sense of what type of symbiotic
relationship they are: mutualism, commensalism, and parasitism

Sorry Russell, Freudian slip [objective]

  
  
And just for the record, sellers' tools are the next thing on the agenda
once the first phase of XP is launched. This launch is right around the corner,
likely March.

Nice!
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In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Be sure you contact us (the BrickLink administration) before investing in any
kind of third-party software. There is no guarantee the site will continue to
support Brickstock or any other inventory syncing mechanism in the future.

comments noted
  
And just for the record, sellers' tools are the next thing on the agenda
once the first phase of XP is launched. This launch is right around the corner,
likely March.

as you wished to comment here about sellers tools perhaps you might want to advise
the stores what features you have incorporated in your offering. I am sure most
of us are more than interested in what is and isn't in the offering
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In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:

  And just for the record, sellers' tools are the next thing on the agenda
once the first phase of XP is launched. This launch is right around the corner,
likely March.

Great news! When will the BL team be able to share details about this? I hope
they have considered development as an application and not as a web based tool.
Stability is key when tracking an inventory.
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In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:

  There is no guarantee the site will continue to
support Brickstock or any other inventory syncing mechanism in the future.

Russell, could BrickLink officially clarify this statement?

Does this mean that BrickLink will be modifying the API to no longer support
interactions from sites or applications such as BrickSet, BrickSync or Rebrickable?

- Big B
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In Related Software, BigBBricks writes:
  In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:

  There is no guarantee the site will continue to
support Brickstock or any other inventory syncing mechanism in the future.

Russell, could BrickLink officially clarify this statement?

Does this mean that BrickLink will be modifying the API to no longer support
interactions from sites or applications such as BrickSet, BrickSync or Rebrickable?

- Big B

There is no plan to do that at this point, but we cannot guarantee that will
not change. We have an official affiliation with Brickset and Rebrickable, so
unless that affiliation ceases (and there is no indication on the horizon that
it would), I don't see why we wouldn't support interactions between the
sites.

But the syncing of inventory between, say, BrickLink and BrickOwl - we do not
have any affiliation with BrickOwl and we do not recommend that sellers list
the same inventory on both platforms. Syncing inventory causes listing problems
and it also compromises true listing strength on both platforms.

The safest and best way to list and adjust items for sale on BrickLink is through
the BrickLink interface, using our inventories and reading the notes on our catalog
entries. If people wish to develop others ways of doing things, they are free
to do so, but it is at their own risk.
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In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:
  The safest and best way to list and adjust items for sale on BrickLink is through the BrickLink interface

Maybe the safest, but also the most frustrating, slowest and user-unfriendliest
way.
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In Related Software, NelisSolis writes:
  In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:
  The safest and best way to list and adjust items for sale on BrickLink is through the BrickLink interface

Maybe the safest, but also the most frustrating, slowest and user-unfriendliest
way.

Ditto!
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In Related Software, NelisSolis writes:
  In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:
  The safest and best way to list and adjust items for sale on BrickLink is through the BrickLink interface

Maybe the safest, but also the most frustrating, slowest and user-unfriendliest
way.

Not the safest either. I've tried to perform updates using the provided interface
only to have the SQL transaction time out and have to search through my entire
inventory to figure out where the changes ended.

This is why I support an external applications for inventory control and advise
all collectors to own their own data and manage it via BrickStock.

Without the backups provided nightly and transaction logs by BrickSync which
can be easily read and modified in BrickStock, I wouldn't even bother trying
to sell professionally, I love me some BrickLink but the current tools are wanting.

- Big B
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  And just for the record, sellers' tools are the next thing on the agenda
once the first phase of XP is launched. This launch is right around the corner,
likely March.

Hmm, that is exactly the SAME MESSAGE we've got from Jay Kim and the developers
team A FEW YEARS AGO at the meetings in Cologne (DE) and Rotterdam (NL).

Honestly I don't believe a word of it, sorry.

- Klaas
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Russell,

What exactly is being addressed as far as seller tools?

I would like to voice my concern with the possibility that BL may not support
syncing and 3rd party apps such as Brick Stock. I believe most sellers on this
platform need a tool that manages their inventory offline and the ability to
upload from this tool/batch update prices, etc... is vital. So much time is
put into building our inventory and it is extremely important to have
multiple backup copies of our hard work. I believe impeding an application such
as Brick Stock/Brick Sync etc.. from communicating with BL is a horrible step
backwards for BL.

If it were not for these tools, many of us would not be sellers here on BL.

Thank you for your time!
Kris

In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Be sure you contact us (the BrickLink administration) before investing in any
kind of third-party software. There is no guarantee the site will continue to
support Brickstock or any other inventory syncing mechanism in the future.

And just for the record, sellers' tools are the next thing on the agenda
once the first phase of XP is launched. This launch is right around the corner,
likely March.
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I don't think there's any reason to assume there will be problems. I
think that Russell is simply warning that future support is not guaranteed and
there's nothing more to it than literally that. It's not necessarily
a hidden way of saying it will be discontinued.
Russell is not in a position to give off guarantees so what he's saying is
pretty much all that he can possibly say. We couldn't really expect any other
message, I'm sure it's the same message BL has always given.

It's part of the reason why I don't use BrickSync or Brickstock. Giving
control over to third parties might work but the future is never certain. We
just saw that with Brickstock.

In Related Software, brickstackers writes:
  Russell,

What exactly is being addressed as far as seller tools?

I would like to voice my concern with the possibility that BL may not support
syncing and 3rd party apps such as Brick Stock. I believe most sellers on this
platform need a tool that manages their inventory offline and the ability to
upload from this tool/batch update prices, etc... is vital. So much time is
put into building our inventory and it is extremely important to have
multiple backup copies of our hard work. I believe impeding an application such
as Brick Stock/Brick Sync etc.. from communicating with BL is a horrible step
backwards for BL.

If it were not for these tools, many of us would not be sellers here on BL.

Thank you for your time!
Kris

In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Be sure you contact us (the BrickLink administration) before investing in any
kind of third-party software. There is no guarantee the site will continue to
support Brickstock or any other inventory syncing mechanism in the future.

And just for the record, sellers' tools are the next thing on the agenda
once the first phase of XP is launched. This launch is right around the corner,
likely March.
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In Related Software, Teup writes:
  I don't think there's any reason to assume there will be problems. I
think that Russell is simply warning that future support is not guaranteed and
there's nothing more to it than literally that. It's not necessarily
a hidden way of saying it will be discontinued.
Russell is not in a position to give off guarantees so what he's saying is
pretty much all that he can possibly say. We couldn't really expect any other
message, I'm sure it's the same message BL has always given.

It's part of the reason why I don't use BrickSync or Brickstock. Giving
control over to third parties might work but the future is never certain. We
just saw that with Brickstock.

We also saw the quickest and most efficient software support response we are
ever likely to see from a 3rd party developer as opposed to what we get here.
Russell's comments may come straight from the organisation hymn sheet and
we accepted them for what they were. The attitude that we need to contact them
before we invest any time/money into supporting tools is, to say the least, worrying
as well as the throw away comments we are going to work on sellers tools next
after the launch of phase 1 of XP (March) time. Forgive me but we have been hearing
about this since 2013 in the very first proclamation they made after taking over.
There are a lot of us who won't hold our breath. That coupled with the fact
that they haven't gone to the stores and asked them what they want - they
believe, without running a serious store, that they know what is needed, and
somehow I doubt that. Time, of course will be the defining factor here. Too much
of what is going on is concerning a large number of members, not just us.

BTW - there is a workaround to the VAT and price issue for Brickstock. if you
wanted to use it. PM me and I will explain.
  
In Related Software, brickstackers writes:
  Russell,

What exactly is being addressed as far as seller tools?

I would like to voice my concern with the possibility that BL may not support
syncing and 3rd party apps such as Brick Stock. I believe most sellers on this
platform need a tool that manages their inventory offline and the ability to
upload from this tool/batch update prices, etc... is vital. So much time is
put into building our inventory and it is extremely important to have
multiple backup copies of our hard work. I believe impeding an application such
as Brick Stock/Brick Sync etc.. from communicating with BL is a horrible step
backwards for BL.

If it were not for these tools, many of us would not be sellers here on BL.

Thank you for your time!
Kris

In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Be sure you contact us (the BrickLink administration) before investing in any
kind of third-party software. There is no guarantee the site will continue to
support Brickstock or any other inventory syncing mechanism in the future.

And just for the record, sellers' tools are the next thing on the agenda
once the first phase of XP is launched. This launch is right around the corner,
likely March.
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Could you clarify as to what was done with the "XP Phase", as far as I can tell,
I haven't really seen anything new aside from the crowdsourcing. Not sure
if this is what is meant with the coined "XP phase".

Thanks!

In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, Teup writes:
  I don't think there's any reason to assume there will be problems. I
think that Russell is simply warning that future support is not guaranteed and
there's nothing more to it than literally that. It's not necessarily
a hidden way of saying it will be discontinued.
Russell is not in a position to give off guarantees so what he's saying is
pretty much all that he can possibly say. We couldn't really expect any other
message, I'm sure it's the same message BL has always given.

It's part of the reason why I don't use BrickSync or Brickstock. Giving
control over to third parties might work but the future is never certain. We
just saw that with Brickstock.

We also saw the quickest and most efficient software support response we are
ever likely to see from a 3rd party developer as opposed to what we get here.
Russell's comments may come straight from the organisation hymn sheet and
we accepted them for what they were. The attitude that we need to contact them
before we invest any time/money into supporting tools is, to say the least, worrying
as well as the throw away comments we are going to work on sellers tools next
after the launch of phase 1 of XP (March) time. Forgive me but we have been hearing
about this since 2013 in the very first proclamation they made after taking over.
There are a lot of us who won't hold our breath. That coupled with the fact
that they haven't gone to the stores and asked them what they want - they
believe, without running a serious store, that they know what is needed, and
somehow I doubt that. Time, of course will be the defining factor here. Too much
of what is going on is concerning a large number of members, not just us.

BTW - there is a workaround to the VAT and price issue for Brickstock. if you
wanted to use it. PM me and I will explain.
  
In Related Software, brickstackers writes:
  Russell,

What exactly is being addressed as far as seller tools?

I would like to voice my concern with the possibility that BL may not support
syncing and 3rd party apps such as Brick Stock. I believe most sellers on this
platform need a tool that manages their inventory offline and the ability to
upload from this tool/batch update prices, etc... is vital. So much time is
put into building our inventory and it is extremely important to have
multiple backup copies of our hard work. I believe impeding an application such
as Brick Stock/Brick Sync etc.. from communicating with BL is a horrible step
backwards for BL.

If it were not for these tools, many of us would not be sellers here on BL.

Thank you for your time!
Kris

In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Be sure you contact us (the BrickLink administration) before investing in any
kind of third-party software. There is no guarantee the site will continue to
support Brickstock or any other inventory syncing mechanism in the future.

And just for the record, sellers' tools are the next thing on the agenda
once the first phase of XP is launched. This launch is right around the corner,
likely March.
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In Related Software, KingdomBrick writes:
  Could you clarify as to what was done with the "XP Phase", as far as I can tell,
I haven't really seen anything new aside from the crowdsourcing. Not sure
if this is what is meant with the coined "XP phase".

Thanks!

Bricklink XP or Bricklink eXpress has nothing to do with Brickstock or Crowdfunding.
It is the next phase of Bricklink's planned development and will provide
to those who opt in to the program a more Amazon/Ebay type experience. It appears
it will require Instant checkout but scant other detail is known at this time.
Admin_Russell seems to indicate it will be released in its first phase in March
of 2019.

The Crowdfunding exercise going on is to do with the AFOL Designer program, nothing
else at this time that we are aware of.

Hope that clarifies the issue for you,
  
In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, Teup writes:
  I don't think there's any reason to assume there will be problems. I
think that Russell is simply warning that future support is not guaranteed and
there's nothing more to it than literally that. It's not necessarily
a hidden way of saying it will be discontinued.
Russell is not in a position to give off guarantees so what he's saying is
pretty much all that he can possibly say. We couldn't really expect any other
message, I'm sure it's the same message BL has always given.

It's part of the reason why I don't use BrickSync or Brickstock. Giving
control over to third parties might work but the future is never certain. We
just saw that with Brickstock.

We also saw the quickest and most efficient software support response we are
ever likely to see from a 3rd party developer as opposed to what we get here.
Russell's comments may come straight from the organisation hymn sheet and
we accepted them for what they were. The attitude that we need to contact them
before we invest any time/money into supporting tools is, to say the least, worrying
as well as the throw away comments we are going to work on sellers tools next
after the launch of phase 1 of XP (March) time. Forgive me but we have been hearing
about this since 2013 in the very first proclamation they made after taking over.
There are a lot of us who won't hold our breath. That coupled with the fact
that they haven't gone to the stores and asked them what they want - they
believe, without running a serious store, that they know what is needed, and
somehow I doubt that. Time, of course will be the defining factor here. Too much
of what is going on is concerning a large number of members, not just us.

BTW - there is a workaround to the VAT and price issue for Brickstock. if you
wanted to use it. PM me and I will explain.
  
In Related Software, brickstackers writes:
  Russell,

What exactly is being addressed as far as seller tools?

I would like to voice my concern with the possibility that BL may not support
syncing and 3rd party apps such as Brick Stock. I believe most sellers on this
platform need a tool that manages their inventory offline and the ability to
upload from this tool/batch update prices, etc... is vital. So much time is
put into building our inventory and it is extremely important to have
multiple backup copies of our hard work. I believe impeding an application such
as Brick Stock/Brick Sync etc.. from communicating with BL is a horrible step
backwards for BL.

If it were not for these tools, many of us would not be sellers here on BL.

Thank you for your time!
Kris

In Related Software, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Be sure you contact us (the BrickLink administration) before investing in any
kind of third-party software. There is no guarantee the site will continue to
support Brickstock or any other inventory syncing mechanism in the future.

And just for the record, sellers' tools are the next thing on the agenda
once the first phase of XP is launched. This launch is right around the corner,
likely March.
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In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstock in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

+1 even with possibility of sellers tools around the corner
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In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Without attempting to denigrate DrickStock, I have a relatively large amount
of code I would like to open source under the LGPL license. It is all written
in Java SE release 7. Is there anyone out there who is comfortable coding in
that language, and can assist in cleaning up code plus implementing new features
?

Nita Rae
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In Related Software, cosmicray writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Without attempting to denigrate DrickStock, I have a relatively large amount
of code I would like to open source under the LGPL license. It is all written
in Java SE release 7. Is there anyone out there who is comfortable coding in
that language, and can assist in cleaning up code plus implementing new features
?

Nita Rae

Interesting - will bear that in mind.
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  We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro.

Just tell me when&where I can subscribe, and I'll be there!!

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In Related Software, greenman writes:
  
  We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro.

Just tell me when&where I can subscribe, and I'll be there!!

- Klaas

Thank you for your comments - we are building up quite a list of supporters.
Will update as soon as we can.
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In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, greenman writes:
  
  We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro.

Just tell me when&where I can subscribe, and I'll be there!!

- Klaas

Thank you for your comments - we are building up quite a list of supporters.
Will update as soon as we can.


I'm in.
Regards
Nectara
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In Related Software, nectara writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, greenman writes:
  
  We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro.

Just tell me when&where I can subscribe, and I'll be there!!

- Klaas

Thank you for your comments - we are building up quite a list of supporters.
Will update as soon as we can.


I'm in.
Regards
Nectara

Thanks Nectara

will keep all of you guys updated as and when we have more info.
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On the face of it this sounds like a good idea. But for me it's not a question
of a lack of a version (of Brickstock) that is backed by a paid subscription/user
base in order to fuel development. It's the lack of progress/involvement
by the current developer. I don't know Patrick and have no wish to cause
offence, I can only go by what I've read on the forum whenever BrickStock
is discussed. And it has been mentioned on many occasions that he has a very
heavy work load and likely a busy personal/family life (like many of us) and
this is cited as a reason why he may not respond to requests/problems quickly
or bring about any new features.

So isn't it apparent that it's time for someone else to take on the mantle
of BrickStock development? If Patrick, by his own admission, doesn't have
the time to invest in it, then shouldn't he hand over the reigns to someone
who does? And by that I mean the most recent source code. It just doesn't
seem in keeping with the spirit of open source software to take on the responsibility
of developing an application and then once realising that you can't maintain
a commitment to it, and its users, that you leave it as is (although I am aware
and do appreciate the recent bug fixes that have been quite quickly implemented).

Maybe I'm being harsh, I realise it's not as simple as just typing up
some code of an evening. I'm no expert in such things but I know there's
many other factors to consider and BrickLink themselves don't make things
easy either.

Just going by everything I've read on these forums, there's definitely
people out there who clearly have the necessary skills and passion, and if it
meant getting new features or refining existing ones to remove bugs, I'm
sure there's at least one person out there who is willing to put in the time
for the benefit of him/herself and the BL seller community. Or am I being too
naive?

I'll admit I'm also being a bit tight - as soon as someone talks about
paying more for something I immediately question it. But isn't the guy who
wrote & maintains BrickSync also a buyer/seller on here? And he finds the time.
Don't know if that's a fair comparison so I'll stop here before I
dig myself in too deep.

In summary, Yay to new BrickStock! Boo to paying for it!

Done.



In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.
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In Related Software, TheCaptain writes:
  On the face of it this sounds like a good idea. But for me it's not a question
of a lack of a version (of Brickstock) that is backed by a paid subscription/user
base in order to fuel development. It's the lack of progress/involvement
by the current developer. I don't know Patrick and have no wish to cause
offence, I can only go by what I've read on the forum whenever BrickStock
is discussed. And it has been mentioned on many occasions that he has a very
heavy work load and likely a busy personal/family life (like many of us) and
this is cited as a reason why he may not respond to requests/problems quickly
or bring about any new features.

So isn't it apparent that it's time for someone else to take on the mantle
of BrickStock development? If Patrick, by his own admission, doesn't have
the time to invest in it, then shouldn't he hand over the reigns to someone
who does? And by that I mean the most recent source code. It just doesn't
seem in keeping with the spirit of open source software to take on the responsibility
of developing an application and then once realising that you can't maintain
a commitment to it, and its users, that you leave it as is (although I am aware
and do appreciate the recent bug fixes that have been quite quickly implemented).

Maybe I'm being harsh, I realise it's not as simple as just typing up
some code of an evening. I'm no expert in such things but I know there's
many other factors to consider and BrickLink themselves don't make things
easy either.

Just going by everything I've read on these forums, there's definitely
people out there who clearly have the necessary skills and passion, and if it
meant getting new features or refining existing ones to remove bugs, I'm
sure there's at least one person out there who is willing to put in the time
for the benefit of him/herself and the BL seller community. Or am I being too
naive?

I'll admit I'm also being a bit tight - as soon as someone talks about
paying more for something I immediately question it. But isn't the guy who
wrote & maintains BrickSync also a buyer/seller on here? And he finds the time.
Don't know if that's a fair comparison so I'll stop here before I
dig myself in too deep.

In summary, Yay to new BrickStock! Boo to paying for it!

Done.



In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Your comments are noted and although we do not agree with your thoughts, we respect
your right to hold them. Will update all once the dust has settled down a bit.
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Hey no worries, just my two cents for what it's worth.

Out of curiosity though (and not intended to be provocative or argumentative
in anyway), but which part exactly don't you agree with?

It's interesting that you say "we", as after reading many of your posts on
the forum during my short time here, I am often left with the impression that
you are part of a group or team of people that make up CalsBricks, and a very
capable team it would seem. I always learn something when I read one of your
posts.

So I guess when I was referring to the people out there with the necessary skills,
etc I probably had yourselves, among others, in mind as possible candidates.

Is it something your team would consider?

Anyway, thanks for all your help and for liaising with Patrick and helping bring
about the bug fix to BrickLinks tinkering.

Cheers
Marc


In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, TheCaptain writes:
  On the face of it this sounds like a good idea. But for me it's not a question
of a lack of a version (of Brickstock) that is backed by a paid subscription/user
base in order to fuel development. It's the lack of progress/involvement
by the current developer. I don't know Patrick and have no wish to cause
offence, I can only go by what I've read on the forum whenever BrickStock
is discussed. And it has been mentioned on many occasions that he has a very
heavy work load and likely a busy personal/family life (like many of us) and
this is cited as a reason why he may not respond to requests/problems quickly
or bring about any new features.

So isn't it apparent that it's time for someone else to take on the mantle
of BrickStock development? If Patrick, by his own admission, doesn't have
the time to invest in it, then shouldn't he hand over the reigns to someone
who does? And by that I mean the most recent source code. It just doesn't
seem in keeping with the spirit of open source software to take on the responsibility
of developing an application and then once realising that you can't maintain
a commitment to it, and its users, that you leave it as is (although I am aware
and do appreciate the recent bug fixes that have been quite quickly implemented).

Maybe I'm being harsh, I realise it's not as simple as just typing up
some code of an evening. I'm no expert in such things but I know there's
many other factors to consider and BrickLink themselves don't make things
easy either.

Just going by everything I've read on these forums, there's definitely
people out there who clearly have the necessary skills and passion, and if it
meant getting new features or refining existing ones to remove bugs, I'm
sure there's at least one person out there who is willing to put in the time
for the benefit of him/herself and the BL seller community. Or am I being too
naive?

I'll admit I'm also being a bit tight - as soon as someone talks about
paying more for something I immediately question it. But isn't the guy who
wrote & maintains BrickSync also a buyer/seller on here? And he finds the time.
Don't know if that's a fair comparison so I'll stop here before I
dig myself in too deep.

In summary, Yay to new BrickStock! Boo to paying for it!

Done.



In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Your comments are noted and although we do not agree with your thoughts, we respect
your right to hold them. Will update all once the dust has settled down a bit.
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In Related Software, TheCaptain writes:
  Hey no worries, just my two cents for what it's worth.

Out of curiosity though (and not intended to be provocative or argumentative
in anyway), but which part exactly don't you agree with?

It's interesting that you say "we", as after reading many of your posts on
the forum during my short time here, I am often left with the impression that
you are part of a group or team of people that make up CalsBricks, and a very
capable team it would seem. I always learn something when I read one of your
posts.

So I guess when I was referring to the people out there with the necessary skills,
etc I probably had yourselves, among others, in mind as possible candidates.

Is it something your team would consider?

Anyway, thanks for all your help and for liaising with Patrick and helping bring
about the bug fix to BrickLinks tinkering.

Cheers
Marc


In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, TheCaptain writes:
  On the face of it this sounds like a good idea. But for me it's not a question
of a lack of a version (of Brickstock) that is backed by a paid subscription/user
base in order to fuel development. It's the lack of progress/involvement
by the current developer. I don't know Patrick and have no wish to cause
offence, I can only go by what I've read on the forum whenever BrickStock
is discussed. And it has been mentioned on many occasions that he has a very
heavy work load and likely a busy personal/family life (like many of us) and
this is cited as a reason why he may not respond to requests/problems quickly
or bring about any new features.

So isn't it apparent that it's time for someone else to take on the mantle
of BrickStock development? If Patrick, by his own admission, doesn't have
the time to invest in it, then shouldn't he hand over the reigns to someone
who does? And by that I mean the most recent source code. It just doesn't
seem in keeping with the spirit of open source software to take on the responsibility
of developing an application and then once realising that you can't maintain
a commitment to it, and its users, that you leave it as is (although I am aware
and do appreciate the recent bug fixes that have been quite quickly implemented).

Maybe I'm being harsh, I realise it's not as simple as just typing up
some code of an evening. I'm no expert in such things but I know there's
many other factors to consider and BrickLink themselves don't make things
easy either.

Just going by everything I've read on these forums, there's definitely
people out there who clearly have the necessary skills and passion, and if it
meant getting new features or refining existing ones to remove bugs, I'm
sure there's at least one person out there who is willing to put in the time
for the benefit of him/herself and the BL seller community. Or am I being too
naive?

I'll admit I'm also being a bit tight - as soon as someone talks about
paying more for something I immediately question it. But isn't the guy who
wrote & maintains BrickSync also a buyer/seller on here? And he finds the time.
Don't know if that's a fair comparison so I'll stop here before I
dig myself in too deep.

In summary, Yay to new BrickStock! Boo to paying for it!

Done.



In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.

Your comments are noted and although we do not agree with your thoughts, we respect
your right to hold them. Will update all once the dust has settled down a bit.

Thanks for the comments. We are not C## programmers for a start and that is what
Brickstock is written in. Finding someone with those qualifications is not easy
and very expensive these days. Whilst we currently cannot pick this up - it is
something we have considered if we could find the right person.

As for our posts and your comments - thank you. We have been, I believe very
loyal to Bricklink and this site, despite what many see as negativity. We want
the site to grow and do better , but do not always agree with the directions
they are taking, hence a lot of our posts seem critical and negative

We are a team and we have been doing this since 2008 - grown our store to nearly
1 million pieces and have over 6500 orders to thank people for. We have also
placed well over a 1000 orders on the site and no orders elsewhere.

We know Patrick from a long time ago and have worked with him on lots of issues.
He has always been excellent as far as we are concerned but you are right about
his time - his full time job keeps him away from Brickstock - so our thoughts
were if we could find a way of compensating him for his 'extra time'
maybe we could move the product along.

Anyway - we are working on that and will keep all that are interested, informed.
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In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
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Thanks for the comments. We are not C## programmers for a start and that is what
Brickstock is written in.

Nope. C++, with the Qt framework.
Totally different beasts.
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In Related Software, SylvainLS writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  […]
Thanks for the comments. We are not C## programmers for a start and that is what
Brickstock is written in.

Nope. C++, with the Qt framework.
Totally different beasts.

I took a C++ class in college, good times.
I wouldn't be much help, but I'm assuming something on par with Brickstock
could be created in VBA along with excel.
Would be fun to work on. You could create different user form controls and buttons
within the sheet like "download orders", "download inventory", "set prices",
"download inventory price guide data".

I have a youtube video out there showing what I do, but if a guy could get access
to the whole database instead of just personal inventory pages, it would really
open things up.
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+1. Would definitely support! Thanks for your work on this!


In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  We are working on a proposal to the current author of Brickstock which would
help him and those of us who make extensive use of the product.

Currently there is a single version which you can use in either demo mode or
as a full paid for version (Cost currently £20)

The product is a part time project as the author has a very demanding full time
job, however due to Bricklink's development re-direction it is unlikely we
are going to see any sellers tools in the imminent future.

Brickstock needs development work and an active support mechanism, which is also
complicated by the fact it appears Bricklink are not notifying 3rd party developers
of changes made on a timely basis. The usual method for Patrick to be notified
is by either the forum or directly by ourselves and possibly others. This, obviously
is not 100% satisfactory for either side.

Currently there is a major issue over the downloading of orders and store inventory.
There appears to be a workaround for the inventory side of it but none for orders.
This has been caused by a change made by Bricklink.

We would like to get a feeling from the members about a subscription based product
named Brickstock Pro. It would be the normal product plus features that are agreed
upon by the subscribers as well as at least part funded by those of us who subscribe.
So you pay your one off fee of £20 and then say a monthly subscription of £2.50
or something similar. Obviously this is something to get Patrick involved with
and his agreement to it but the principle is you can still use Brickstok in its
current form but if you want it developed and supported there is a small extra
cost.

I am sure there will be some agreement to this as well as some objections, but
let's build an agreed proposal which we can put to him and then work on getting
that put in place.

Comments/thoughts - if you do not wish to respond to this on the forum, then
feel free to contact us direct.
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Would it by any chance be possible to get the price guide (sales, inventory)
into the columns next to the parts ? Since the connection is there, it should
be too hard.

K
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In Related Software, K_N writes:
  Would it by any chance be possible to get the price guide (sales, inventory)
into the columns next to the parts ? Since the connection is there, it should
be too hard.

K

Do you mean adding more columns to the main layout page?

The price guide information is currently displayed in two locations - in the
left hand margin when you select a part and when you use the insert item command
it is at the bottom of that page?
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In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, K_N writes:
  Would it by any chance be possible to get the price guide (sales, inventory)
into the columns next to the parts ? Since the connection is there, it should
be too hard.

K

Do you mean adding more columns to the main layout page?

The price guide information is currently displayed in two locations - in the
left hand margin when you select a part and when you use the insert item command
it is at the bottom of that page?

Yes I mean adding that information to the main page. That way they could be
exported to excel which would give value information about the sales/price/inventory
ratios of a certain part. I would use it, within excel, to calculate part out
value and set prices.
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In Related Software, K_N writes:
  In Related Software, calsbricks writes:
  In Related Software, K_N writes:
  Would it by any chance be possible to get the price guide (sales, inventory)
into the columns next to the parts ? Since the connection is there, it should
be too hard.

K

Do you mean adding more columns to the main layout page?

The price guide information is currently displayed in two locations - in the
left hand margin when you select a part and when you use the insert item command
it is at the bottom of that page?

Yes I mean adding that information to the main page. That way they could be
exported to excel which would give value information about the sales/price/inventory
ratios of a certain part. I would use it, within excel, to calculate part out
value and set prices.

Okay thanks for the clarification. We have already asked Patrick to provide an
export to modern day tools and allow a choice of columns - that would solve this
issue.