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| | | Author: | mfav  | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2019 20:04 | | Subject: | Catalog Guidelines: Minifig Heads | | Viewed: | 96 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| I would like to suggest the following catalog guidelines for minifig head part
3626.
issues
1. Need to distinguish between 1-sided print and 2-sided print
2. Need to distinguish between things with faces and things without faces.
- 2.1 Need to distinguish between things with 1 face and things with 2 faces.
3. Need to distinguish between things that are heads and things that are not
heads.
4. Want to note stud type.
5. Need to note identifying attributes.
methodology
1. Fixed values: 1-sided print, 2-sided print.
- Might consider another value (top-print) for things like Avatar heads which
are printed around the stud. Or maybe not necessary and could be noted in attributes.
Anyway, fixed values here to aid search.
2. Fixed values: single-faced, dual-faced, no-face.
3. Fixed values: head, pattern
- I expect some shrieking about the pattern attribute, but if all decorated pieces
are separated from plain pieces at the category level, the need for "pattern"
as an identifier becomes moot. Thus "pattern" can be used to distinguish between
a "head" and a "not-head".
4. Existing scheme (blocked open, hollow, solid) seems satisfactory
5. Attributes should be considered by their side count and face count and presented
consistently. For any single-sided piece a straight description is fine. For
faces, I'd recommend a top-down scheme for consistency: hair, eyebrows, eyes,
mouth, scars/marks, whiskers. For two-sided, single-faced heads I'd start
with the character name if it exists, followed by Front, followed by Back. For
two-faced heads I'd start with the character name if it exists, followed
by side1 attributes, separate with a slash, side2 attributes. Color values would
precede attributes in "readable English" fashion, thus "brown hair" and not "hair,
brown".
Complete naming convention would be sequenced as follows: Attributes, Sides,
Faces, Type, Stud. This sequencing allows for the unique traits to
appear first, which is likely preferable to having those listed last for a number
of reasons.
2-side, 1-face Example:
Green Goblin. Front: Balaclava, Heavy brown eyebrows, black eyes white highlight,
smirk, dimples, cleft chin. Back: three black scalloped lines blue highlight.
2-sided print, single-faced head, blocked open stud.
2-side, 2-face Example:
Robot. Silver eyebrows, Lime eyes white highlight, clenched teeth, scuffs, rivets
/ Silver eyebrows, lime eyes white highlight, closed mouth, scuffs, rivets. 2-sided
print, dual-faced head, hollow stud.
Note 1: I have a personal prejudice against labelling every head that is not
"human" as "alien". I'd prefer to see additional terms such as "robot" and
perhaps "animal" where appropriate; these terms would also facilitate search.
Note 2: It would facilitate consistent data entry to have a part-specific data
entry form available on the site. The form would include any fixed values as
popup or radio selectors, generous fields for entry of attributes, and an image
or images with callouts to provide visual assistance and reference for the contributor.
Guidelines for data entry should be included on the form itself and not require
leaving the form to locate guideline information elsewhere.
Visualization attached.
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2019 21:29 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Guidelines: Minifig Heads | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| The trophy piece can be a minifig or a untensil depending on its print. Similarly,
I don't know why a "head" that is a fishbowl can't be a decorated round
brick. Or is that regressive?
In General, mfav writes:
| | I would like to suggest the following catalog guidelines for minifig head part
3626.
issues
1. Need to distinguish between 1-sided print and 2-sided print
2. Need to distinguish between things with faces and things without faces.
- 2.1 Need to distinguish between things with 1 face and things with 2 faces.
3. Need to distinguish between things that are heads and things that are not
heads.
4. Want to note stud type.
5. Need to note identifying attributes.
methodology
1. Fixed values: 1-sided print, 2-sided print.
- Might consider another value (top-print) for things like Avatar heads which
are printed around the stud. Or maybe not necessary and could be noted in attributes.
Anyway, fixed values here to aid search.
2. Fixed values: single-faced, dual-faced, no-face.
3. Fixed values: head, pattern
- I expect some shrieking about the pattern attribute, but if all decorated pieces
are separated from plain pieces at the category level, the need for "pattern"
as an identifier becomes moot. Thus "pattern" can be used to distinguish between
a "head" and a "not-head".
4. Existing scheme (blocked open, hollow, solid) seems satisfactory
5. Attributes should be considered by their side count and face count and presented
consistently. For any single-sided piece a straight description is fine. For
faces, I'd recommend a top-down scheme for consistency: hair, eyebrows, eyes,
mouth, scars/marks, whiskers. For two-sided, single-faced heads I'd start
with the character name if it exists, followed by Front, followed by Back. For
two-faced heads I'd start with the character name if it exists, followed
by side1 attributes, separate with a slash, side2 attributes. Color values would
precede attributes in "readable English" fashion, thus "brown hair" and not "hair,
brown".
Complete naming convention would be sequenced as follows: Attributes, Sides,
Faces, Type, Stud. This sequencing allows for the unique traits to
appear first, which is likely preferable to having those listed last for a number
of reasons.
2-side, 1-face Example:
Green Goblin. Front: Balaclava, Heavy brown eyebrows, black eyes white highlight,
smirk, dimples, cleft chin. Back: three black scalloped lines blue highlight.
2-sided print, single-faced head, blocked open stud.
2-side, 2-face Example:
Robot. Silver eyebrows, Lime eyes white highlight, clenched teeth, scuffs, rivets
/ Silver eyebrows, lime eyes white highlight, closed mouth, scuffs, rivets. 2-sided
print, dual-faced head, hollow stud.
Note 1: I have a personal prejudice against labelling every head that is not
"human" as "alien". I'd prefer to see additional terms such as "robot" and
perhaps "animal" where appropriate; these terms would also facilitate search.
Note 2: It would facilitate consistent data entry to have a part-specific data
entry form available on the site. The form would include any fixed values as
popup or radio selectors, generous fields for entry of attributes, and an image
or images with callouts to provide visual assistance and reference for the contributor.
Guidelines for data entry should be included on the form itself and not require
leaving the form to locate guideline information elsewhere.
Visualization attached.
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| | | | | | | Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2019 22:08 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Guidelines: Minifig Heads | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In General, axaday writes:
| | The trophy piece can be a minifig or a untensil depending on its print.
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One solution: suggest that this piece get its own category where it is neither
minifig nor utensil. 3626 has its own category.
| | Similarly, I don't know why a "head" that is a fishbowl can't be a decorated round brick. Or is that regressive?
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Minifig, head is a BL designation. As such, it's arbitrary.
Whether splitting the piece across different categories is desirable or not is
debatable. Whether or not that can be implemented within the current database
schema is a question. If the trophy piece already operates this way, then I wouldn't
have an objection. Others might.
I have supported the concept that certain parts be found wherever it makes sense
(multiple categories) and not be restricted to a single category. I believe it
requires changing a field at the db level to accomplish that. Example:
being additionally classified under vehicle, mudguard.
It might also imply some adjustment on the part of sellers to modify their systems
to accommodate.
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| | | | | Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2019 22:19 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Guidelines: Minifig Heads | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | 3. Fixed values: head, pattern
- I expect some shrieking about the pattern attribute, but if all decorated pieces
are separated from plain pieces at the category level, the need for "pattern"
as an identifier becomes moot. Thus "pattern" can be used to distinguish between
a "head" and a "not-head".
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Definitely shrieking. The word "pattern" is used throughout the entire catalog
to distinguish plain and decorated items. For most searches, the category attribute
is not used nor visible. Hence, in the current database configuration, the word
"pattern" is still essential.
There are things to say for changing this database structure, but as you know,
that is out of our CA's control.
Hans-Peter
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2019 22:27 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Guidelines: Minifig Heads | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In General, mfav writes:
| | I would like to suggest the following catalog guidelines for minifig head
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Is it too much to ask that we keep this all in one thread where I can easily
reference it? I don't mind reposting everyone's replies to the original
thread and I can go on doing it as long as need be, but it is taking time away
from approving new catalog entries which I was working on.
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 8, 2019 05:32 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Guidelines: Minifig Heads | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Rules need to be written tighter.
The fish bowl piece has a face. It is not used as a head, but I can still see
a fish face on it.
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 8, 2019 05:36 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Guidelines: Minifig Heads | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| When it comes to organizing or perhaps just displaying heads, I'd prefer
to see one change more than any other: show both/all stud types together. So
if someone clicks on the inventory of a minifigure, and then on the head, they
are shown all stud variants of that head print. It could be done that you need
to turn on all variants with a click-box if the default is just the one in the
catalogue, or turn off if on is the default and you want only the variant as
entered in the catalogue.
For many people, stud types don't matter. However, checking to see if other
stud types are available and what their cost is is a real faff.
Similarly, it should work for wants lists too.
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