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 Author: Dalika View Messages Posted By Dalika
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Dalika (1277)

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I was so excited knowing I was going to get my package today. Saw the scan this
morning, 'On It's Way!'. So excited. Heard the mail truck coming,
then saw it, going. Then the 4:59pm scan, 'Delivery Attempted - No Access
to Delivery Location'. I hate when I am lied to, practically to my face.
Which leads directly to the fact I won't see my package until Monday, as
delivery here on Saturdays are very 'Hit and Miss'. I just had to get
that off my chest. Thanks.
 Author: C0lsanders_ View Messages Posted By C0lsanders_
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Go pick it up in person, and complain?

Sucks.


In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  I was so excited knowing I was going to get my package today. Saw the scan this
morning, 'On It's Way!'. So excited. Heard the mail truck coming,
then saw it, going. Then the 4:59pm scan, 'Delivery Attempted - No Access
to Delivery Location'. I hate when I am lied to, practically to my face.
Which leads directly to the fact I won't see my package until Monday, as
delivery here on Saturdays are very 'Hit and Miss'. I just had to get
that off my chest. Thanks.
 Author: Dalika View Messages Posted By Dalika
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In Off Topic, C0lsanders_ writes:
  Go pick it up in person, and complain?

Sucks.

No can do. They aren't open on Saturdays. Monday it will be on the truck
long before they open. No, I'll just pull a Jim Carrey and bend over and
take it up the tailpipe. Meh, life holds bigger treasures!





  
In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  I was so excited knowing I was going to get my package today. Saw the scan this
morning, 'On It's Way!'. So excited. Heard the mail truck coming,
then saw it, going. Then the 4:59pm scan, 'Delivery Attempted - No Access
to Delivery Location'. I hate when I am lied to, practically to my face.
Which leads directly to the fact I won't see my package until Monday, as
delivery here on Saturdays are very 'Hit and Miss'. I just had to get
that off my chest. Thanks.
 


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In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  In Off Topic, C0lsanders_ writes:
  Go pick it up in person, and complain?

Sucks.

No can do. They aren't open on Saturdays. Monday it will be on the truck
long before they open. No, I'll just pull a Jim Carrey and bend over and
take it up the tailpipe. Meh, life holds bigger treasures!



Well make sure you still complain to the post office. Enough complaints and
the driver will probably be looked into.

Around here the post office doesn't treat the mismanagement of the mail kindly.

Bummer you have to wait now.

  


  
In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  I was so excited knowing I was going to get my package today. Saw the scan this
morning, 'On It's Way!'. So excited. Heard the mail truck coming,
then saw it, going. Then the 4:59pm scan, 'Delivery Attempted - No Access
to Delivery Location'. I hate when I am lied to, practically to my face.
Which leads directly to the fact I won't see my package until Monday, as
delivery here on Saturdays are very 'Hit and Miss'. I just had to get
that off my chest. Thanks.
 Author: C0lsanders_ View Messages Posted By C0lsanders_
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What service is it? Post offices are usually open til noon or so. UPS depots
usually run Next Day Air items, even if they don't run Ground. So, someone
should be there. As someone who has worked for UPS, they are halfway likely to
just leave your package on the truck. If there's someone there, they ought
to be able to help. FedEx tends to run Ground, so you may get it today anyway.
If not, they ought to still be somewhat open to handle the few other Ground runs
(businesses).

Miles (C0lsanders_)



In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  In Off Topic, C0lsanders_ writes:
  Go pick it up in person, and complain?

Sucks.

No can do. They aren't open on Saturdays. Monday it will be on the truck
long before they open. No, I'll just pull a Jim Carrey and bend over and
take it up the tailpipe. Meh, life holds bigger treasures!





  
In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  I was so excited knowing I was going to get my package today. Saw the scan this
morning, 'On It's Way!'. So excited. Heard the mail truck coming,
then saw it, going. Then the 4:59pm scan, 'Delivery Attempted - No Access
to Delivery Location'. I hate when I am lied to, practically to my face.
Which leads directly to the fact I won't see my package until Monday, as
delivery here on Saturdays are very 'Hit and Miss'. I just had to get
that off my chest. Thanks.
 Author: thecueshop View Messages Posted By thecueshop
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Defiantly file a complaint with the USPS. Send them a email here https://emailus.usps.com/emailUs/iq/usps/request.do?forward=emailUs

They are not allowed to lie on the delivery attempt forms. It is interfering
with mail delivery.

If they forgot to deliver the package they should be up front and honest and
say sorry we missed it and apologize. It's that simple we are all human and
make mistakes, but lying to make it look like its not their fault is unacceptable
in any situation.

Randy
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In Off Topic, thecueshop writes:
  Defiantly file a complaint with the USPS. Send them a email here https://emailus.usps.com/emailUs/iq/usps/request.do?forward=emailUs

They are not allowed to lie on the delivery attempt forms. It is interfering
with mail delivery.

If they forgot to deliver the package they should be up front and honest and
say sorry we missed it and apologize. It's that simple we are all human and
make mistakes, but lying to make it look like its not their fault is unacceptable
in any situation.

Randy

Randy is correct. You must put in a complaint. Call a different post office
and ask for your consumer affairs number. There is a different office for each
state. My post office was terrible for quite some time. I got to know most
of the staff at consumer affairs by their voice. It takes awhile to get things
escalated to the top, but boy when it gets there things improved quickly.

Jennifer
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In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  I was so excited knowing I was going to get my package today. Saw the scan this
morning, 'On It's Way!'. So excited. Heard the mail truck coming,
then saw it, going. Then the 4:59pm scan, 'Delivery Attempted - No Access
to Delivery Location'. I hate when I am lied to, practically to my face.
Which leads directly to the fact I won't see my package until Monday, as
delivery here on Saturdays are very 'Hit and Miss'. I just had to get
that off my chest. Thanks.


Thanks for all the replies and advice. I was just going to let this slide. Today's
events have changed that though. I saw the mail carrier zip by again today around
2ish. Fingers crossed, I headed to the mailbox. No luck. Strike two. A couple
hours later, went to do a final email check and two new emails. 'Your package
has been delivered!'. Looks like the carrier scanned as delivered, with no
delivery. Just wonderful. This is pretty lame at this point. I'm planning
on heading in to the PO Monday morning and speaking to the Postmaster to file
a complaint and check on the status of my packages. I'm hoping I don't
wind up losing them. Not extremely happy at this point. Really ruined my attitude
before bed. Looks like an extra cup of chamomile tea for me.
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In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  I was so excited knowing I was going to get my package today. Saw the scan this
morning, 'On It's Way!'. So excited. Heard the mail truck coming,
then saw it, going. Then the 4:59pm scan, 'Delivery Attempted - No Access
to Delivery Location'. I hate when I am lied to, practically to my face.
Which leads directly to the fact I won't see my package until Monday, as
delivery here on Saturdays are very 'Hit and Miss'. I just had to get
that off my chest. Thanks.



I'm just kind of curious on anyone's thoughts on if the seller should
refund the buyer for these packages.
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For what reason?

  I'm just kind of curious on anyone's thoughts on if the seller should
refund the buyer for these packages.
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  For what reason?


Cause I read time and time again on here that it is the seller's responsibility
to make sure the package arrives at the buyer's door. No ifs, ands, buts,
or excuses. So I was just kind of curious what people thought of this scenario.

  
  I'm just kind of curious on anyone's thoughts on if the seller should
refund the buyer for these packages.
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In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
  In Off Topic, tEoS writes:
  For what reason?


Cause I read time and time again on here that it is the seller's responsibility
to make sure the package arrives at the buyer's door. No ifs, ands, buts,
or excuses. So I was just kind of curious what people thought of this scenario.

That’s the same explanation that’s given “time and time again”: the seller is
the one who has a contract with the postal services, not the buyer. So I’m kind
of curious why it has to be repeated ad nauseam
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In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
  In Off Topic, tEoS writes:
  For what reason?


Cause I read time and time again on here that it is the seller's responsibility
to make sure the package arrives at the buyer's door. No ifs, ands, buts,
or excuses. So I was just kind of curious what people thought of this scenario.

That’s the same explanation that’s given “time and time again”: the seller is
the one who has a contract with the postal services, not the buyer. So I’m kind
of curious why it has to be repeated ad nauseam


So, I wanted to ask you, since you are strictly a Buyer. Would you expect a refund
from the Seller in a case like this? I won't ask what you would do if you
were the Seller, as that would be strictly hypothetical. I know what I would
do as a Seller. Just curious what other Buyers would expect. Thanks!
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In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
  In Off Topic, tEoS writes:
  For what reason?


Cause I read time and time again on here that it is the seller's responsibility
to make sure the package arrives at the buyer's door. No ifs, ands, buts,
or excuses. So I was just kind of curious what people thought of this scenario.

That’s the same explanation that’s given “time and time again”: the seller is
the one who has a contract with the postal services, not the buyer. So I’m kind
of curious why it has to be repeated ad nauseam


So, I wanted to ask you, since you are strictly a Buyer. Would you expect a refund
from the Seller in a case like this? I won't ask what you would do if you
were the Seller, as that would be strictly hypothetical. I know what I would
do as a Seller. Just curious what other Buyers would expect. Thanks!

The parcels aren't lost, they were on the delivery truck.
I would contact the post office first and 5hen decide what to do next.
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In Off Topic, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
  In Off Topic, tEoS writes:
  For what reason?


Cause I read time and time again on here that it is the seller's responsibility
to make sure the package arrives at the buyer's door. No ifs, ands, buts,
or excuses. So I was just kind of curious what people thought of this scenario.

That’s the same explanation that’s given “time and time again”: the seller is
the one who has a contract with the postal services, not the buyer. So I’m kind
of curious why it has to be repeated ad nauseam


So, I wanted to ask you, since you are strictly a Buyer. Would you expect a refund
from the Seller in a case like this? I won't ask what you would do if you
were the Seller, as that would be strictly hypothetical. I know what I would
do as a Seller. Just curious what other Buyers would expect. Thanks!

The parcels aren't lost, they were on the delivery truck.
I would contact the post office first and 5hen decide what to do next.

I totally agree. I am pretty sure they have been on the truck this whole time.
Although honestly, I'm not sure how you miss a Small Priority box in a small
side door Jeep at the end of the day. I did FedEx extra help over a couple holiday
seasons and although it's not USPS, I know the importance of an empty delivery
vehicle when you get back to the depot.
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In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  […]
  That’s the same explanation that’s given “time and time again”: the seller is
the one who has a contract with the postal services, not the buyer. So I’m kind
of curious why it has to be repeated ad nauseam


So, I wanted to ask you, since you are strictly a Buyer. Would you expect a refund
from the Seller in a case like this? I won't ask what you would do if you
were the Seller, as that would be strictly hypothetical. I know what I would
do as a Seller. Just curious what other Buyers would expect. Thanks!

First, I would yell at the post office.

Then, I would ask the seller to file a complaint/ask for a research, as I wouldn’t
be able to. (I could file a complaint to the police for theft but not to the
post office and, I think, not to their ombudsman.)

If the package hasn’t surfaced after that (meaning a week or two after the seller’s
official complaint), I would talk to the seller.

Depending on the seller’s situation, the cost of the package, and their attitude,
I would ask for or demand a total or partial refund.
Generally, I wouldn’t have to, because sellers either offer good consumer services
or follow the laws.
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In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
  In Off Topic, tEoS writes:
  For what reason?


Cause I read time and time again on here that it is the seller's responsibility
to make sure the package arrives at the buyer's door. No ifs, ands, buts,
or excuses. So I was just kind of curious what people thought of this scenario.

That’s the same explanation that’s given “time and time again”: the seller is
the one who has a contract with the postal services, not the buyer. So I’m kind
of curious why it has to be repeated ad nauseam


Let's say I give you money to buy me a specific car in France. But after
buying the car for me, we find out it's a lemon. Is it your fault or the
guy who you bought the car from?

The buyer is the one who is actually buying the postage and services of the USPS.
They pay for it. They want the service. The seller is just facilitating the money
going from the buyer to the post office.

Somewhat just playing Devil's Advocate here but I also do think that thought
has some merit.
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In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
  In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
  In Off Topic, tEoS writes:
  For what reason?


Cause I read time and time again on here that it is the seller's responsibility
to make sure the package arrives at the buyer's door. No ifs, ands, buts,
or excuses. So I was just kind of curious what people thought of this scenario.

That’s the same explanation that’s given “time and time again”: the seller is
the one who has a contract with the postal services, not the buyer. So I’m kind
of curious why it has to be repeated ad nauseam


Let's say I give you money to buy me a specific car in France. But after
buying the car for me, we find out it's a lemon. Is it your fault or the
guy who you bought the car from?

The buyer is the one who is actually buying the postage and services of the USPS.
They pay for it. They want the service. The seller is just facilitating the money
going from the buyer to the post office.

So, what happens in the case of Free Shipping? I didn't pay for the actual
shipping.
  
Somewhat just playing Devil's Advocate here but I also do think that thought
has some merit.
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In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
  In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
  In Off Topic, tEoS writes:
  For what reason?


Cause I read time and time again on here that it is the seller's responsibility
to make sure the package arrives at the buyer's door. No ifs, ands, buts,
or excuses. So I was just kind of curious what people thought of this scenario.

That’s the same explanation that’s given “time and time again”: the seller is
the one who has a contract with the postal services, not the buyer. So I’m kind
of curious why it has to be repeated ad nauseam


Let's say I give you money to buy me a specific car in France. But after
buying the car for me, we find out it's a lemon. Is it your fault or the
guy who you bought the car from?

The buyer is the one who is actually buying the postage and services of the USPS.
They pay for it. They want the service. The seller is just facilitating the money
going from the buyer to the post office.

So, what happens in the case of Free Shipping? I didn't pay for the actual
shipping.
  

You know, I actually had that thought in my head. Didn't come up with a solid
answer though. haha

  
  Somewhat just playing Devil's Advocate here but I also do think that thought
has some merit.
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In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
  […]
Let's say I give you money to buy me a specific car in France. But after
buying the car for me, we find out it's a lemon. Is it your fault or the
guy who you bought the car from?

Firt, apple to oranges.

Then, depending on how you proxied me to buy the car, I could very well be totally
responsible.

And if you absolutely want a car analogy, it would be more like that: I buy the
car and pay a guy to drive it to you and the guy steals the car.
Then, yes the guy is the culprit but I’m still responsible.

The one who chooses and contracts with the driver is the one who is responsible.

Granted, in this analogy, the contracts could be written to say otherwise. But
in a B2C transaction, I know for sure you can’t do that in EU.


  The buyer is the one who is actually buying the postage and services of the USPS.
They pay for it. They want the service. The seller is just facilitating the money
going from the buyer to the post office.

Absolutely not.
You’re offering to deliver to me. You choose how.
I don’t buy from the post office, you do, in your name. I don’t sign a proxy
to you; you don’t contract with the post office in my name / as my representative;
you do it on your own.

And the fact the shipping cost is separate from the product has no bearing on
whom I buy it from.

Simply put: Who can file a complaint to the PO? You. Not me.


  Somewhat just playing Devil's Advocate here but I also do think that thought
has some merit.

Happily for him, the Devil isn’t brought to court very often
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In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
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Let's say I give you money to buy me a specific car in France. But after
buying the car for me, we find out it's a lemon. Is it your fault or the
guy who you bought the car from?

Firt, apple to oranges.

Then, depending on how you proxied me to buy the car, I could very well be totally
responsible.

And if you absolutely want a car analogy, it would be more like that: I buy the
car and pay a guy to drive it to you and the guy steals the car.
Then, yes the guy is the culprit but I’m still responsible.

I'm paying you to pay a guy of my choosing to drive me the car. No idea how
you think that you would make you responsible responsible. You aren't paying
the guy at all. You are just giving him the money that I gave to you to give
to him.
  
The one who chooses and contracts with the driver is the one who is responsible.

Granted, in this analogy, the contracts could be written to say otherwise. But
in a B2C transaction, I know for sure you can’t do that in EU.


  The buyer is the one who is actually buying the postage and services of the USPS.
They pay for it. They want the service. The seller is just facilitating the money
going from the buyer to the post office.

Absolutely not.
You’re offering to deliver to me. You choose how.
I don’t buy from the post office, you do, in your name. I don’t sign a proxy
to you; you don’t contract with the post office in my name / as my representative;
you do it on your own.


You can look at it that way. I look at is as you are giving me money to give
to someone else so you can get your package. You know you are not buying delivery
from me as there is no way I could ever deliver your package to you. You are
giving me money that I give to someone else who can deliver your package.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying as a seller, wash your hands and that's
it. there is a thing called customer service as well. But under zero circumstances
are you buying delivery from me.


  And the fact the shipping cost is separate from the product has no bearing on
whom I buy it from.

Simply put: Who can file a complaint to the PO? You. Not me.

Not true. I have filed numerous complaints as the buyer of packages that my mail
lady has delivered to the wrong address (she has been much better as of late).
An expensive WWE autograph was sent five houses down that took three weeks for
me to finally get. I certainly wouldn't blame the seller for the ineptitude
of the USPS. The seller didn't do anything in regards to helping me get it
back other than give me the tracking number. I'm the one who had to do all
the complaints and complaining.
  

  Somewhat just playing Devil's Advocate here but I also do think that thought
has some merit.

Happily for him, the Devil isn’t brought to court very often
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In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
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I'm paying you to pay a guy of my choosing to drive me the car. No idea how
you think that you would make you responsible responsible. You aren't paying
the guy at all. You are just giving him the money that I gave to you to give
to him.

Okay, then I’m not responsible in this scenario, but that’s not what happens
with postal services because the postal services don’t know about the buyer (but
for their address), they only know about the sender, their customer, the one
who bought from them.


  […]
You can look at it that way. I look at is as you are giving me money to give
to someone else so you can get your package. You know you are not buying delivery
from me as there is no way I could ever deliver your package to you. You are
giving me money that I give to someone else who can deliver your package.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying as a seller, wash your hands and that's
it. there is a thing called customer service as well. But under zero circumstances
are you buying delivery from me.

That sort of loophole you’re trying to argue about (that you just forward the
money) doesn’t hold simply because you’re the postal services’ customer.

The analogies you can contrive are just that, analogies. Even though the situations
seem analogous, they aren’t. You can’t compare ad hoc contracts between
two or three equals with B2C transactions using postal services.

EU have made it clear with laws how such situations were to be handled / viewed,
but I believe it’s actually similar in case law countries: the buyer paid for
the product and delivery, the product isn’t theirs until it’s delivered.

Anyway, if you want to stick to contract law, just check the contract you make
with the postal services, or ask an actual lawyer whether the “I’m just forwarding
the money” exonarates the seller of anything.


  
  And the fact the shipping cost is separate from the product has no bearing on
whom I buy it from.

Simply put: Who can file a complaint to the PO? You. Not me.

Not true. I have filed numerous complaints as the buyer of packages that my mail
lady has delivered to the wrong address (she has been much better as of late).
An expensive WWE autograph was sent five houses down that took three weeks for
me to finally get. I certainly wouldn't blame the seller for the ineptitude
of the USPS. The seller didn't do anything in regards to helping me get it
back other than give me the tracking number. I'm the one who had to do all
the complaints and complaining.

You were the one who made “complaints” and fuss but if the package wasn’t eventually
found, would you have been the one to be refunded/compensated for the loss?
I don’t believe so.
Only the seller would be able to claim a compensation (an actual “complaint,”
not noise and fuss).

And I’m sorry your seller didn’t do anything, as they should have.

I had a similar case: packages tracked as “delivered” that I never got. I went
to the PO, and could only ask for a search, and they just said, a couple weeks
afterward of course, that they stood by their T&T. The only one who could ask
for anything further was the sender. My sender being Amazon, they just resent
the packages through another service, so it stopped there. Otherwise, I’d have
contacted the postal services’ ombudsman and urged the sender to do it too.

And if you like anecdotes, there have been others on this forum with the same
lesson: yes, the addressee can (and should) make a fuss at their PO but the only
one who can do or ask for anything further is the sender.
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It is very simple. In the US we have 3 package delivery choices: USPS, UPS, &
FedEx. USPS is the most financially feasible of the 3. The other 2 carriers charge
out the wazoo for small packages. For large, they make sense. So it boils down
to a choice of 1 for anything under 2 pounds.






In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
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  For what reason?


Cause I read time and time again on here that it is the seller's responsibility
to make sure the package arrives at the buyer's door. No ifs, ands, buts,
or excuses. So I was just kind of curious what people thought of this scenario.

That’s the same explanation that’s given “time and time again”: the seller is
the one who has a contract with the postal services, not the buyer. So I’m kind
of curious why it has to be repeated ad nauseam
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In Off Topic, RoswellGinny writes:
  It is very simple. In the US we have 3 package delivery choices: USPS, UPS, &
FedEx. USPS is the most financially feasible of the 3. The other 2 carriers charge
out the wazoo for small packages. For large, they make sense. So it boils down
to a choice of 1 for anything under 2 pounds.

Well, maybe it’s not that simple because I don’t understand the sequitur from
“it’s the seller who is USPS’s customer, not the buyer” to “we use USPS because
it’s cheaper”


  In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
  In Off Topic, tEoS writes:
  For what reason?


Cause I read time and time again on here that it is the seller's responsibility
to make sure the package arrives at the buyer's door. No ifs, ands, buts,
or excuses. So I was just kind of curious what people thought of this scenario.

That’s the same explanation that’s given “time and time again”: the seller is
the one who has a contract with the postal services, not the buyer. So I’m kind
of curious why it has to be repeated ad nauseam
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In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, RoswellGinny writes:
  It is very simple. In the US we have 3 package delivery choices: USPS, UPS, &
FedEx. USPS is the most financially feasible of the 3. The other 2 carriers charge
out the wazoo for small packages. For large, they make sense. So it boils down
to a choice of 1 for anything under 2 pounds.

Well, maybe it’s not that simple because I don’t understand the sequitur from
“it’s the seller who is USPS’s customer, not the buyer” to “we use USPS because
it’s cheaper”

non sequitur, always liked the term

  

  In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
  In Off Topic, tEoS writes:
  For what reason?


Cause I read time and time again on here that it is the seller's responsibility
to make sure the package arrives at the buyer's door. No ifs, ands, buts,
or excuses. So I was just kind of curious what people thought of this scenario.

That’s the same explanation that’s given “time and time again”: the seller is
the one who has a contract with the postal services, not the buyer. So I’m kind
of curious why it has to be repeated ad nauseam
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In Off Topic, popsicle writes:
  In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, RoswellGinny writes:
  It is very simple. In the US we have 3 package delivery choices: USPS, UPS, &
FedEx. USPS is the most financially feasible of the 3. The other 2 carriers charge
out the wazoo for small packages. For large, they make sense. So it boils down
to a choice of 1 for anything under 2 pounds.

Well, maybe it’s not that simple because I don’t understand the sequitur from
“it’s the seller who is USPS’s customer, not the buyer” to “we use USPS because
it’s cheaper”

non sequitur, always liked the term

Me too

I allow myself to use Latin more often when I write in English
(but I always check first: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sequitur )
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In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, popsicle writes:
  In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, RoswellGinny writes:
  It is very simple. In the US we have 3 package delivery choices: USPS, UPS, &
FedEx. USPS is the most financially feasible of the 3. The other 2 carriers charge
out the wazoo for small packages. For large, they make sense. So it boils down
to a choice of 1 for anything under 2 pounds.

Well, maybe it’s not that simple because I don’t understand the sequitur from
“it’s the seller who is USPS’s customer, not the buyer” to “we use USPS because
it’s cheaper”

non sequitur, always liked the term

Me too

I allow myself to use Latin more often when I write in English

Now I'm curious. Your native French should lend itself more so to Latin,
or is it just that English allows you more room to play? In any case, I admire
your command of English and how well you do play with the language.

Enjoy reading your posts very much.
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In Off Topic, popsicle writes:
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  Me too

I allow myself to use Latin more often when I write in English

Now I'm curious. Your native French should lend itself more so to Latin,
or is it just that English allows you more room to play?

Well, it seems to me that English uses or allows more Latin words without seeming
jargonesque or snobby. Maybe because in English, the Latin words passed the
years without modifications while in French, the words followed the language’s
evolution, so there are common French versions and using the Latin versions just
seems snobby.

It also seems English uses more keywords, fixed expressions, than French, and
uses them untranslated when it imports them (déjà vu, coup d’État…). Or maybe
it’s just because I don’t see them as fixed expressions in French


  In any case, I admire
your command of English and how well you do play with the language.

Enjoy reading your posts very much.

Thanks, I must read the good authors
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In Off Topic, SylvainLS writes:
  In Off Topic, popsicle writes:
  […]
  Me too

I allow myself to use Latin more often when I write in English

Now I'm curious. Your native French should lend itself more so to Latin,
or is it just that English allows you more room to play?

Well, it seems to me that English uses or allows more Latin words without seeming
jargonesque or snobby. Maybe because in English, the Latin words passed the
years without modifications while in French, the words followed the language’s
evolution, so there are common French versions and using the Latin versions just
seems snobby.

I understand. Interesting....

  
It also seems English uses more keywords, fixed expressions, than French, and
uses them untranslated when it imports them (déjà vu, coup d’État…). Or maybe
it’s just because I don’t see them as fixed expressions in French


  In any case, I admire
your command of English and how well you do play with the language.

Enjoy reading your posts very much.

Thanks, I must read the good authors

No. Today, it's simply enough that you read, to have a leg up.
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It's too early to speculate that the order is lost.

In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
  In Off Topic, tEoS writes:
  For what reason?


Cause I read time and time again on here that it is the seller's responsibility
to make sure the package arrives at the buyer's door. No ifs, ands, buts,
or excuses. So I was just kind of curious what people thought of this scenario.

  
  I'm just kind of curious on anyone's thoughts on if the seller should
refund the buyer for these packages.
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  I was so excited knowing I was going to get my package today. Saw the scan this
morning, 'On It's Way!'. So excited. Heard the mail truck coming,
then saw it, going. Then the 4:59pm scan, 'Delivery Attempted - No Access
to Delivery Location'. I hate when I am lied to, practically to my face.
Which leads directly to the fact I won't see my package until Monday, as
delivery here on Saturdays are very 'Hit and Miss'. I just had to get
that off my chest. Thanks.



I'm just kind of curious on anyone's thoughts on if the seller should
refund the buyer for these packages.


I'm curious how it'll play out myself. Package value is $40. I wanted
the contents more than the cash, but would like one or the other, for sure. I
paid via PayPal, was a purchase off Ebay. I don't see it as the Seller's
fault. Not sure where I stand, either. We'll see Monday I suppose.
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In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  In Off Topic, pitz8008 writes:
  In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  I was so excited knowing I was going to get my package today. Saw the scan this
morning, 'On It's Way!'. So excited. Heard the mail truck coming,
then saw it, going. Then the 4:59pm scan, 'Delivery Attempted - No Access
to Delivery Location'. I hate when I am lied to, practically to my face.
Which leads directly to the fact I won't see my package until Monday, as
delivery here on Saturdays are very 'Hit and Miss'. I just had to get
that off my chest. Thanks.



I'm just kind of curious on anyone's thoughts on if the seller should
refund the buyer for these packages.


I'm curious how it'll play out myself. Package value is $40. I wanted
the contents more than the cash, but would like one or the other, for sure. I
paid via PayPal, was a purchase off Ebay. I don't see it as the Seller's
fault. Not sure where I stand, either. We'll see Monday I suppose.

Here in NYC, the USPS site indicates “Delivered” almost always a day before actual
delivery.

It’s infuriating and makes no sense, but it’s a common occurrence. I suspect
they mark it delivered once it’s sorted for delivery, which isn’t the same. The
good news is they always show up eventually.
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In Off Topic, Dalika writes:
  I was so excited knowing I was going to get my package today. Saw the scan this
morning, 'On It's Way!'. So excited. Heard the mail truck coming,
then saw it, going. Then the 4:59pm scan, 'Delivery Attempted - No Access
to Delivery Location'. I hate when I am lied to, practically to my face.
Which leads directly to the fact I won't see my package until Monday, as
delivery here on Saturdays are very 'Hit and Miss'. I just had to get
that off my chest. Thanks.

Any update? Hopefully things worked out for you.