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 Author: WhiteVanMan View Messages Posted By WhiteVanMan
 Posted: Dec 17, 2018 09:04
 Subject: Part 2458
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WhiteVanMan (8476)

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Hi guys.

I think I have found a mold variation for this particular part:-

 
Part No: 2458  Name: Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pin
* 
2458 Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pin
Parts: Brick, Modified

The pin end can take a standard 1x4 bar.

The newer version can't

Will I need to submit a catalogue change?

Picture for you to see what I mean..
 
 Author: kzinti View Messages Posted By kzinti
 Posted: Dec 17, 2018 11:47
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In Catalog Identification, WhiteVanMan writes:
  Hi guys.

I think I have found a mold variation for this particular part:-

 
Part No: 2458  Name: Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pin
* 
2458 Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pin
Parts: Brick, Modified

The pin end can take a standard 1x4 bar.

The newer version can't

Will I need to submit a catalogue change?

Picture for you to see what I mean..

The one on the left almost looks like you could slide an axle in there..
 Author: WhiteVanMan View Messages Posted By WhiteVanMan
 Posted: Dec 17, 2018 12:15
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WhiteVanMan (8476)

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In Catalog Identification, kzinti writes:
  In Catalog Identification, WhiteVanMan writes:
  Hi guys.

I think I have found a mold variation for this particular part:-

 
Part No: 2458  Name: Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pin
* 
2458 Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pin
Parts: Brick, Modified

The pin end can take a standard 1x4 bar.

The newer version can't

Will I need to submit a catalogue change?

Picture for you to see what I mean..

The one on the left almost looks like you could slide an axle in there..

Nope...

Can't be done.

Sorry...

But as it is, I have looked within my inventory, and have found 19 of them, and
have removed all of them, pending the outcome of the question.

I've got 2 DBG, 3 LBG, 2 Tan, 2 Yellow and 10 White.

And they were from my used side of inventory, and will be checking the new shortly....

Can you confirm about my observations?

Regards,

Paul
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Dec 17, 2018 12:21
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In Catalog Identification, kzinti writes:
  In Catalog Identification, WhiteVanMan writes:
  Hi guys.

I think I have found a mold variation for this particular part:-

 
Part No: 2458  Name: Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pin
* 
2458 Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pin
Parts: Brick, Modified

The pin end can take a standard 1x4 bar.

The newer version can't

Will I need to submit a catalogue change?

Picture for you to see what I mean..

The one on the left almost looks like you could slide an axle in there..

A very small axle then

It’s the same difference as between these two parts:
 
Part No: 47994  Name: Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Round Pin Holes
* 
47994 Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Round Pin Holes
Parts: Technic, Pin
 
Part No: 19159  Name: Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Squared Pin Holes
* 
19159 Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Squared Pin Holes
Parts: Technic, Pin
 Author: WhiteVanMan View Messages Posted By WhiteVanMan
 Posted: Dec 17, 2018 12:25
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In Catalog Identification, SylvainLS writes:

  A very small axle then

It’s the same difference as between these two parts:
 
Part No: 47994  Name: Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Round Pin Holes
* 
47994 Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Round Pin Holes
Parts: Technic, Pin
 
Part No: 19159  Name: Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Squared Pin Holes
* 
19159 Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Squared Pin Holes
Parts: Technic, Pin

Yes, you are correct.

I've looked at my inventory of the new ones, and all of them bar the Blue
ones that came from a Mars mission set, have the new style pins.

As it seems that my findings are correct, I guess I'll have to file a couple
of catalogue changes...

Regards,

Paul
 Author: elias3 View Messages Posted By elias3
 Posted: Dec 17, 2018 12:32
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In Catalog Identification, WhiteVanMan writes:
  In Catalog Identification, SylvainLS writes:

  A very small axle then

It’s the same difference as between these two parts:
 
Part No: 47994  Name: Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Round Pin Holes
* 
47994 Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Round Pin Holes
Parts: Technic, Pin
 
Part No: 19159  Name: Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Squared Pin Holes
* 
19159 Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Squared Pin Holes
Parts: Technic, Pin

Yes, you are correct.

I've looked at my inventory of the new ones, and all of them bar the Blue
ones that came from a Mars mission set, have the new style pins.

As it seems that my findings are correct, I guess I'll have to file a couple
of catalogue changes...

Regards,

Paul

Hi Paul

same partnumber on? or a different for the newer type (like the 47994 vs.
19159)



Stefaan
 Author: WhiteVanMan View Messages Posted By WhiteVanMan
 Posted: Dec 17, 2018 12:37
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WhiteVanMan (8476)

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In Catalog Identification, elias3 writes:
  In Catalog Identification, WhiteVanMan writes:
  In Catalog Identification, SylvainLS writes:

  A very small axle then

It’s the same difference as between these two parts:
 
Part No: 47994  Name: Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Round Pin Holes
* 
47994 Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Round Pin Holes
Parts: Technic, Pin
 
Part No: 19159  Name: Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Squared Pin Holes
* 
19159 Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Squared Pin Holes
Parts: Technic, Pin

Yes, you are correct.

I've looked at my inventory of the new ones, and all of them bar the Blue
ones that came from a Mars mission set, have the new style pins.

As it seems that my findings are correct, I guess I'll have to file a couple
of catalogue changes...

Regards,

Paul

Hi Paul

same partnumber on? or a different for the newer type (like the 47994 vs.
19159)



Stefaan

The numbers are the same, which is why I've submitted a 'b' addition
to the catalogue, so that the original can be called the 'a' variant,
and the plain numbered one can be deleted from the catalogue, which is going
to upset a few sellers if it gets approved... lol
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Dec 17, 2018 14:00
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In Catalog Identification, WhiteVanMan writes:
  The numbers are the same, which is why I've submitted a 'b' addition
to the catalogue, so that the original can be called the 'a' variant,
and the plain numbered one can be deleted from the catalogue, which is going
to upset a few sellers if it gets approved... lol

Actually, the proper way to do something like this is to add both an A and B
variant to the catalog and mark the existing entry for deletion. The existing
part entry is an undetermined entry, meaning that items for sale could be either
A or B versions. Renumbering it to an A variant would not correct that.

Here is an incomplete set of lists regarding known variants needing attention:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2488

Those lists are significantly incomplete. I will be adding quite a few more
parts to those lists at some point and we will have to come up with an idea of
how often we're going to be splitting parts and marking parts for deletion.

For this particular part I have added your photo as an additional photo and added
an additional note to the part. At some point later I will add this part to
the one of the variant lists.

For the immediate future, though, this part will not be split into two entries
and your pending catalog entry was not approved. The reason is that variant
splits are disruptive and create significant work for everyone involved. Once
the lists are closer to completion we will have to get a schedule together for
how often we're going to be splitting variants and triage them, with the
most significant variants having first priority.
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Dec 17, 2018 21:51
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Can we start making inventory notes? I have a lot of this part in stock now
and know where they each came from.

In Catalog Identification, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog Identification, WhiteVanMan writes:
  The numbers are the same, which is why I've submitted a 'b' addition
to the catalogue, so that the original can be called the 'a' variant,
and the plain numbered one can be deleted from the catalogue, which is going
to upset a few sellers if it gets approved... lol

Actually, the proper way to do something like this is to add both an A and B
variant to the catalog and mark the existing entry for deletion. The existing
part entry is an undetermined entry, meaning that items for sale could be either
A or B versions. Renumbering it to an A variant would not correct that.

Here is an incomplete set of lists regarding known variants needing attention:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2488

Those lists are significantly incomplete. I will be adding quite a few more
parts to those lists at some point and we will have to come up with an idea of
how often we're going to be splitting parts and marking parts for deletion.

For this particular part I have added your photo as an additional photo and added
an additional note to the part. At some point later I will add this part to
the one of the variant lists.

For the immediate future, though, this part will not be split into two entries
and your pending catalog entry was not approved. The reason is that variant
splits are disruptive and create significant work for everyone involved. Once
the lists are closer to completion we will have to get a schedule together for
how often we're going to be splitting variants and triage them, with the
most significant variants having first priority.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Dec 17, 2018 12:41
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In Catalog Identification, WhiteVanMan writes:
  Hi guys.

I think I have found a mold variation for this particular part:-

 
Part No: 2458  Name: Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pin
* 
2458 Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pin
Parts: Brick, Modified

The pin end can take a standard 1x4 bar.

The newer version can't

Will I need to submit a catalogue change?

Picture for you to see what I mean..

I have confirmed this part variation in my used parts bins. The one does accept
a bar, but it is a snug fit. The other one does not accept anything.

Cheers,
Randy