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| | | Author: | Teup  | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2018 06:32 | | Subject: | 40292 minifig error | | Viewed: | 130 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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LOL, so the Christmas giftset 40292 has a male and a female hairpiece so that
the child can be a boy or a girl (and they're both on the box). But someone
uploaded a picture where the alternate hair is put on the DAD's head, kind
of making it a dad's hairdo optionality feature 
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=40292-1
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| | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2018 06:56 | | Subject: | Re: 40292 minifig error | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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LOL, so the Christmas giftset 40292 has a male and a female hairpiece so that
the child can be a boy or a girl (and they're both on the box). But someone
uploaded a picture where the alternate hair is put on the DAD's head, kind
of making it a dad's hairdo optionality feature
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=40292-1
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Actually, it IS a “dad’s hairdo optionality feature”: there are two versions
of the instructions and each one uses different hair for the dad.
See https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1117220
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2018 07:10 | | Subject: | Re: 40292 minifig error | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
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LOL, so the Christmas giftset 40292 has a male and a female hairpiece so that
the child can be a boy or a girl (and they're both on the box). But someone
uploaded a picture where the alternate hair is put on the DAD's head, kind
of making it a dad's hairdo optionality feature
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?S=40292-1
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Actually, it IS a “dad’s hairdo optionality feature”: there are two versions
of the instructions and each one uses different hair for the dad.
See https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1117220
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 Haha that's crazy, seems the person making the instructions made the mistake.
I guess Bricklink follows the instructions and not the box, so probably it should
stay like this then... Although unless dad has a job as a hairdresser or fashion
designer I do think he looks a bit off with that kids/teenage haircut 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2018 07:23 | | Subject: | Re: 40292 minifig error | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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Haha that's crazy, seems the person making the instructions made the mistake.
I guess Bricklink follows the instructions and not the box, so probably it should
stay like this then... Although unless dad has a job as a hairdresser or fashion
designer I do think he looks a bit off with that kids/teenage haircut
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Well, we’re assuming it’s a “dad”. It could be a “big brother” or a “young uncle”
too
And anyone can change the interpretation (and minifigs) to better represent their
own situation.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2018 08:21 | | Subject: | Re: 40292 minifig error | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
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Haha that's crazy, seems the person making the instructions made the mistake.
I guess Bricklink follows the instructions and not the box, so probably it should
stay like this then... Although unless dad has a job as a hairdresser or fashion
designer I do think he looks a bit off with that kids/teenage haircut
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Well, we’re assuming it’s a “dad”. It could be a “big brother” or a “young uncle”
too
And anyone can change the interpretation (and minifigs) to better represent their
own situation.
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I guess if dad really is a hairdresser or fashion designer, the girl's hair
could be even better
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2018 08:50 | | Subject: | Re: 40292 minifig error | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | And anyone can change the interpretation (and minifigs) to better represent their
own situation.
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Although they cannot sell it as a boy as depicted on the box, unless listed as
a custom minifig. No doubt in time people will wonder which minifigure they have
and not be able to match up the boy version with a minifigure in the catalogue.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2018 12:27 | | Subject: | Re: 40292 minifig error | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Although they cannot sell it as a boy as depicted on the box, unless listed as
a custom minifig. No doubt in time people will wonder which minifigure they have
and not be able to match up the boy version with a minifigure in the catalogue.
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Many questions come up in the forum to identify minifigures that have the wrong
hands, the wrong arms, the wrong legs, the wrong head, the wrong hair, etc. Such
is the nature of LEGO parts; they get played with and mixed up all the time.
Sellers are free to sell those minifigures as "customs", but it behooves them
to find a closely related minifigure in the catalog to sell under and either
sell it as incomplete or fix the minifigure they have to match the one in the
catalog. I don't see this scenario as being any different to that.
However, when it comes to adding minifigures to the catalog, the guidelines are
clear and were followed: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2477
If they weren't followed, we would have the inevitable question, "Why was
this boy minifigure added to the catalog when it clearly isn't shown in the
instructions?"
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2018 12:33 | | Subject: | Re: 40292 minifig error | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Although they cannot sell it as a boy as depicted on the box, unless listed as
a custom minifig. No doubt in time people will wonder which minifigure they have
and not be able to match up the boy version with a minifigure in the catalogue.
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Many questions come up in the forum to identify minifigures that have the wrong
hands, the wrong arms, the wrong legs, the wrong head, the wrong hair, etc. Such
is the nature of LEGO parts; they get played with and mixed up all the time.
Sellers are free to sell those minifigures as "customs", but it behooves them
to find a closely related minifigure in the catalog to sell under and either
sell it as incomplete or fix the minifigure they have to match the one in the
catalog. I don't see this scenario as being any different to that.
However, when it comes to adding minifigures to the catalog, the guidelines are
clear and were followed: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2477
If they weren't followed, we would have the inevitable question, "Why was
this boy minifigure added to the catalog when it clearly isn't shown in the
instructions?"
Cheers,
Randy
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Well, I actually agree with yorbrick the "boy" should be added to the catalog.
I understand the Bricklink catalog follows the instructions and that is a good
and smart choice, but how far will we go? When I saw the set my first thought
was like "only a girl? oh wait a sec, there's the boy hair" and the box literally
has the boy on the side of the box. To me the hair seems off on the dad and he's
not shown that way either. Nor is it logical that a minifig has an extra piece
to make a marginally different minifig with no different meaning. The torso of
the child is clearly unisex (if not boyish) so in my opinion everything points
to the hairpiece being intended for the child.
If so, it begs the question if we really want to stick 100% to the instructions
in every case. I think at least adding minfigs that are shown on the box as alternates
is not such a stretch.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2018 13:16 | | Subject: | Re: 40292 minifig error | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Nor is it logical that a minifig has an extra piece
to make a marginally different minifig with no different meaning.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2018 13:28 | | Subject: | Re: 40292 minifig error | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Nor is it logical that a minifig has an extra piece
to make a marginally different minifig with no different meaning.
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And that is what we refer to as the "slippery slope".
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2018 13:24 | | Subject: | Re: 40292 minifig error | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Well, I actually agree with yorbrick the "boy" should be added to the catalog.
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Your opinion has been noted and future admin teams may decide to go in that direction.
However, the current admin team on both the catalog and inventory sides had discussions
and agreed on how to proceed in this situation. I do not see that changing for
the foreseeable future.
| | I understand the Bricklink catalog follows the instructions and that is a good
and smart choice, but how far will we go?
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There are a few other situations like this that I know of from my personal collection.
In all of those cases, the current guidelines that are in place were followed
in the catalog and subsequently the inventories. So, for now, it makes sense
to keep things consistent with the guidelines to keep the catalog consistent.
| | To me the hair seems off on the dad and he's not shown that way either.
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First of all, you are assuming that it is a dad, but I do to. What is not an
assumption is that he *is* shown that way in one version of the instructions:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1117220
| | Nor is it logical that a minifig has an extra piece to make a marginally different
minifig with no different meaning.
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Since when was LEGO logical? They already had *two* attempts at this, and
according to you, they screwed up on both of them. Who are we to say that it
is not the way they intended it? Third time's a charm? 
| | The torso of the child is clearly unisex (if not boyish)
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If the torso is *clearly* unisex, then how could it be "boyish"?
| | so in my opinion everything points to the hairpiece being intended for the child.
If so, it begs the question if we really want to stick 100% to the instructions
in every case.
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As I stated above, at least for the foreseeable future, the answer is "yes".
If Robert, Ronald and Maggie want to add this topic to the Catalog Roadmap, then
I don't see why it could not be considered. I would not expect it to have
any sort of large priority, though.
Thanks for your comments,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2018 18:04 | | Subject: | Re: 40292 minifig error | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Well, I actually agree with yorbrick the "boy" should be added to the catalog.
I understand the Bricklink catalog follows the instructions and that is a good
and smart choice, but how far will we go? When I saw the set my first thought
was like "only a girl? oh wait a sec, there's the boy hair" and the box literally
has the boy on the side of the box. To me the hair seems off on the dad and he's
not shown that way either. Nor is it logical that a minifig has an extra piece
to make a marginally different minifig with no different meaning. The torso of
the child is clearly unisex (if not boyish) so in my opinion everything points
to the hairpiece being intended for the child.
If so, it begs the question if we really want to stick 100% to the instructions
in every case. I think at least adding minfigs that are shown on the box as alternates
is not such a stretch.
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I think you are not asking for what we ultimately want, perhaps because you are
aware that it is as far as we can get without the programmers getting involved.
What we ultimately want is to be able to put alternates into minifig inventories.
There are quite a LOT of minifigs the last few years that come with a hair and
a hat, usually pictured somewhere with each. I think it would clutter things
up a lot. Look at [s-60134-1] and . They have a certain way they
are designed to go, but the instructions show some pictures of them all mixed
and matched, legs, torsos, heads and hair. They each have 15 minifigs. How
many variants does that inventory need to have in it?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2018 17:38 | | Subject: | Re: 40292 minifig error | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
I need to make it clear that these are not official guidelines. I have been
working on a project to rework the catalog Help Center and the page linked to
above is a proposed page which is not yet complete or official.
The current catalog guidelines still in effect are only those on the left
side of this page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?topicID=21
The sections on the right side of the page are proposals and are works in progress.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2018 18:12 | | Subject: | Re: 40292 minifig error | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
I need to make it clear that these are not official guidelines. I have been
working on a project to rework the catalog Help Center and the page linked to
above is a proposed page which is not yet complete or official.
The current catalog guidelines still in effect are only those on the left
side of this page:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?topicID=21
The sections on the right side of the page are proposals and are works in progress.
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My bad, Robert. I forgot that those sections were the "work in progress" ones.
The section that I was referencing about minifigures being added to the catalog
in your new version contains the same basic information as the old version but
worded in a much friendlier way. Therefore, everything that I posted is not
affected by which version someone references.
The page I should have referred to was https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=71
Cheers,
Randy
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