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| | | Author: | StormChaser  | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 01:24 | | Subject: | Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 150 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| In my continual effort to make your lives marginally better (which is a close
second to my continual effort to be a person who does not use catchphrases),
I propose the following for discussion: why do we call patterns patterns pretty
much everywhere but in category names?
Nearly the only place you will see "Decorated" on BrickLink is in category names
(32 of them). When you click on decorated parts, though, you see parts with
patterns. I propose changing the word "Decorated" to the word "Pattern" in those
32 category names. This will have no effects except in aesthetics and site-wide
consistency.
LordSkylark has asked for a category split of the Aircraft category into patterned
and non-patterned parts. I decided to succumb to his demand and have created
a new category titled Aircraft, Pattern. Now you can look at it on the parts
category page and see if you prefer the way things are now or the way I suggest
we do things.
Provide input, please.
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 02:05 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In my continual effort to make your lives marginally better (which is a close
second to my continual effort to be a person who does not use catchphrases),
I propose the following for discussion: why do we call patterns patterns pretty
much everywhere but in category names?
Nearly the only place you will see "Decorated" on BrickLink is in category names
(32 of them). When you click on decorated parts, though, you see parts with
patterns. I propose changing the word "Decorated" to the word "Pattern" in those
32 category names. This will have no effects except in aesthetics and site-wide
consistency.
LordSkylark has asked for a category split of the Aircraft category into patterned
and non-patterned parts. I decided to succumb to his demand and have created
a new category titled Aircraft, Pattern. Now you can look at it on the parts
category page and see if you prefer the way things are now or the way I suggest
we do things.
Provide input, please.
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If you are going to go with switching the category names, at least make them
titled with "Patterned" instead of "Pattern".
"Aircraft, Pattern" just sounds very weird since the word "Pattern" is ambiguous
here. Are you referring to aircraft parts that have a pattern or are you referring
to a pattern of an aircraft part? For someone new, that would look very confusing.
"Aircraft, Patterned" makes much more sense because "Patterned" can be a synonym
for "Decorated" whereas "Pattern" cannot. This phrase immediately makes me think
of patterned aircraft parts.
One other thing to consider is that some of the parts that have a "Pattern" are
marbled parts or parts composed of two different plastics molded together. I
don't think any of these parts are classified in "Decorated" categories,
but I could be wrong. What I do know is that most of them are for sure in normal
categories. Therefore, if you rename the "Decorated" categories to "Patterned",
you create another inconsistency since all parts with a "Pattern" will not be
in the "Patterned" categories. Just something to think about.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | Author: | mhortar | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 02:11 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In my continual effort to make your lives marginally better (which is a close
second to my continual effort to be a person who does not use catchphrases),
I propose the following for discussion: why do we call patterns patterns pretty
much everywhere but in category names?
Nearly the only place you will see "Decorated" on BrickLink is in category names
(32 of them). When you click on decorated parts, though, you see parts with
patterns. I propose changing the word "Decorated" to the word "Pattern" in those
32 category names. This will have no effects except in aesthetics and site-wide
consistency.
LordSkylark has asked for a category split of the Aircraft category into patterned
and non-patterned parts. I decided to succumb to his demand and have created
a new category titled Aircraft, Pattern. Now you can look at it on the parts
category page and see if you prefer the way things are now or the way I suggest
we do things.
Provide input, please.
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I'm not sure that 'Pattern' actually fits. I think you'd have
to go with 'Patterned', but even then, a pattern is more of a repeated
design, which doesn't fit for most printed parts. Decorated, Ornamented,
or Embellished would probably be better fits.
Josh
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 02:31 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | I'm not sure that 'Pattern' actually fits.
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The word "design" means "decorative pattern."
If we wanted to be truly accurate and consistent, then every single part title
would have one of the eight following identifiers:
Plain
Printed Design
Stickered Design
Printed/Stickered Design
Molded Design
Molded/Printed Design
Molded/Stickered Design
Molded/Stickered/Printed Design (pretty sure there are none of those)
Have I missed any? Maybe when/if we get tags we can do this. I think it would
be helpful.
But it sounds like "Decorated" is the preferred term so far from all three commentors.
I still think it's quite strange that part categories are the only place
we use that word, but this ain't a one-man show.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | mhortar | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 04:05 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | I'm not sure that 'Pattern' actually fits.
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The word "design" means "decorative pattern."
If we wanted to be truly accurate and consistent, then every single part title
would have one of the eight following identifiers:
Plain
Printed Design
Stickered Design
Printed/Stickered Design
Molded Design
Molded/Printed Design
Molded/Stickered Design
Molded/Stickered/Printed Design (pretty sure there are none of those)
Have I missed any? Maybe when/if we get tags we can do this. I think it would
be helpful.
But it sounds like "Decorated" is the preferred term so far from all three commentors.
I still think it's quite strange that part categories are the only place
we use that word, but this ain't a one-man show.
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Are there any Printed/Stickered parts? I'm pretty sure there are molded/printed
parts (at least dual-molded arms), but not sure about the other combinations.
Molded/stickered might exist too, but they're probably pretty rare.
I checked some other definition sites and none of them focused on the 'repetition'
aspect like the first one I came across (I think it was the Oxford dictionary),
so upon further review, I'd be agreeable to 'Patterned' for the category
name. There's something to be said for making the category names and the
terms used in the actual names to be consistent.
Josh
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 04:32 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | Are there any Printed/Stickered parts?
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Yep. Just came across one, in fact.
Printed nose:
Printed nose and stickered part (no space in the title for "Pattern," apparently):
* | | 18907pb02 Aircraft Fuselage Forward Top Curved 6 x 10 x 4 with 5 Window Panes with Shuttle Nose Pattern and Space Logo on White Background on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 60080
Parts: Aircraft, Decorated |
| | I'm pretty sure there are molded/printed parts (at least dual-molded arms)
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Yep. Here's one:
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But that's the point of such a system. It would be designed for the future
as well as the past. 
| | There's something to be said for making the category names and the
terms used in the actual names to be consistent. I'd be agreeable to 'Patterned' for the category name.
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Meh. Perhaps we'll consider it in the future. I sense a lack of enthusiasm.
I changed the new category to Decorated and finished moving all the Aircraft
parts.
I actually like the eight definitions I came up with thanks to this discussion.
We need to be able to distinguish between printed, stickered, and molded designs
and people have asked for that ability. I don't think those identifiers
would ever go into part titles, but they could go into tags and result in a simplification
of overly complicated existing part titles.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 05:17 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | Are there any Printed/Stickered parts?
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Yep. Just came across one, in fact.
Printed nose:
Printed nose and stickered part (no space in the title for "Pattern," apparently):
* | | 18907pb02 Aircraft Fuselage Forward Top Curved 6 x 10 x 4 with 5 Window Panes with Shuttle Nose Pattern and Space Logo on White Background on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 60080
Parts: Aircraft, Decorated |
| | I'm pretty sure there are molded/printed parts (at least dual-molded arms)
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Yep. Here's one:
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But that's the point of such a system. It would be designed for the future
as well as the past.
| | There's something to be said for making the category names and the
terms used in the actual names to be consistent. I'd be agreeable to 'Patterned' for the category name.
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Meh. Perhaps we'll consider it in the future. I sense a lack of enthusiasm.
I changed the new category to Decorated and finished moving all the Aircraft
parts.
I actually like the eight definitions I came up with thanks to this discussion.
We need to be able to distinguish between printed, stickered, and molded designs
and people have asked for that ability. I don't think those identifiers
would ever go into part titles, but they could go into tags and result in a simplification
of overly complicated existing part titles.
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I don't like the word Pattern much as for me it represents a repeated design
or motif. Sometimes I think these words are, like some strange part numbers (x145,
bb387) an inheritance of a distant and somehow obsolete past to which BrickLink
seems to be attached still. Call me avant-garde, but I'm not sure the casual
user would search for Pattern rather than Decorated or Printed or Stickered or
some variations of these words.
Thus, I would more likely replace the word Pattern in the item description with
the words Decorated Printed, Decorated Stickered, Decorated Molded, Decorated
Printed & Stickered, etc.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 12:55 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | I'm not sure that 'Pattern' actually fits.
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The word "design" means "decorative pattern."
If we wanted to be truly accurate and consistent, then every single part title
would have one of the eight following identifiers:
Plain
Printed Design
Stickered Design
Printed/Stickered Design
Molded Design
Molded/Printed Design
Molded/Stickered Design
Molded/Stickered/Printed Design (pretty sure there are none of those)
Have I missed any? Maybe when/if we get tags we can do this. I think it would
be helpful.
But it sounds like "Decorated" is the preferred term so far from all three commentors.
I still think it's quite strange that part categories are the only place
we use that word, but this ain't a one-man show.
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Now that you bought up the subject of stickers.... Is there a possibility of
adding sub categories for each type of patterned part so as to separate printed
parts from applied sticker parts? So that whenever there are stickers applied
by the end user on parts verses patterns applied directly by Lego on the same
type of part then there would be a sub category for the sticker applied parts
to keep them seperate.
This would be extremely helpful for adding used inventory into our stores. A
good example would be printed tiles verses sticker applied tiles. If you know
that a part you are trying to add to your inventor is a Lego printed tile then
it would be so much easier to find it in the catalog if the stickered tiles were
in a separate sub category of the printed tiles.
I know it would be a lot of work but it sure would be nice.
Jim
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 13:14 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, TheBrickGuys writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | I'm not sure that 'Pattern' actually fits.
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The word "design" means "decorative pattern."
If we wanted to be truly accurate and consistent, then every single part title
would have one of the eight following identifiers:
Plain
Printed Design
Stickered Design
Printed/Stickered Design
Molded Design
Molded/Printed Design
Molded/Stickered Design
Molded/Stickered/Printed Design (pretty sure there are none of those)
Have I missed any? Maybe when/if we get tags we can do this. I think it would
be helpful.
But it sounds like "Decorated" is the preferred term so far from all three commentors.
I still think it's quite strange that part categories are the only place
we use that word, but this ain't a one-man show.
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Now that you bought up the subject of stickers.... Is there a possibility of
adding sub categories for each type of patterned part so as to separate printed
parts from applied sticker parts? So that whenever there are stickers applied
by the end user on parts verses patterns applied directly by Lego on the same
type of part then there would be a sub category for the sticker applied parts
to keep them seperate.
This would be extremely helpful for adding used inventory into our stores. A
good example would be printed tiles verses sticker applied tiles. If you know
that a part you are trying to add to your inventor is a Lego printed tile then
it would be so much easier to find it in the catalog if the stickered tiles were
in a separate sub category of the printed tiles.
I know it would be a lot of work but it sure would be nice.
Jim
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Every stickered part has either "Sticker" or "Stickers" in the name. Just run
a search for the part you want followed by "-sticker*" (without the quotes).
So to search all 2x2 tiles for just printed ones, you would run a search for
"3068b* -sticker*" (without the quotes):
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/search.page?q=3068b*+-sticker*&brand=1000&rpp=100&tab=P#T=P
HTH,
Randy
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| | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 02:22 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In my continual effort to make your lives marginally better (which is a close
second to my continual effort to be a person who does not use catchphrases),
I propose the following for discussion: why do we call patterns patterns pretty
much everywhere but in category names?
Nearly the only place you will see "Decorated" on BrickLink is in category names
(32 of them). When you click on decorated parts, though, you see parts with
patterns. I propose changing the word "Decorated" to the word "Pattern" in those
32 category names. This will have no effects except in aesthetics and site-wide
consistency.
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Hmm: Meaning of Decorate:
1. make (something) look more attractive by adding extra items or images to it.
Meaning of Pattern:
1. a repeated decorative design.
Decorated would include stickered and printed items, IMO, whereas patterned simply
refers to the design added to the decorated item. So probably the category names
are correct and the individual items should refer to the pattern or some other
embellishment to be applied to the plain item in order to decorate it (good thing
I've had some coffee already this morning )
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LordSkylark has asked for a category split of the Aircraft category into patterned
and non-patterned parts. I decided to succumb to his demand and have created
a new category titled Aircraft, Pattern. Now you can look at it on the parts
category page and see if you prefer the way things are now or the way I suggest
we do things.
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As to the actual split of the categories, good thing except, I would, for the
reasons above, stick to "decorated" as opposed to "pattern" in the category name.
Personally I would add to the 2 parts in that category that are not specified,
either "printed" or "sticker" as it is not exactly clear what they are, unless
the feeling is that the default is printed.
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| | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 04:28 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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In my opinion, categories should stay with 'Decorated' and all parts
with 'Pattern' should changed.
The word 'Pattern', used in parts titles, is just a comfortable placeholder
in reading the part titles. Pick out ten random parts and read them with the
word 'Pattern' and then read them without the word 'Pattern'
and they mean the same thing.
To replace the word 'Pattern' with 'Decorated' would be a wasted
opportunity. So I will go with what you suggested later '
Design', where would be sticker, molded, etc.
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 04:34 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
| | The word 'Pattern', used in parts titles, is just a comfortable placeholder
in reading the part titles. Pick out ten random parts and read them with the
word 'Pattern' and then read them without the word 'Pattern'
and they mean the same thing.
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No, this word serves a very important purpose. You can search for "pattern"
and "-pattern" to modify your search results as desired. It's not just verbal
eye candy.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 04:36 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
And that, my friends, is the tragedy which can befall you when you attempt to
be clever whilst also being tired.
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| | | | | Author: | Hurt | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 04:55 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| As long as I can still do searches like:
"brick 2 x 3 decorated" (or exchange the "decorated" with any other word) and
then select a color from "More Options", everything is fine
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| | | | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 05:36 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hurt writes:
| | As long as I can still do searches like:
"brick 2 x 3 decorated" (or exchange the "decorated" with any other word) and
then select a color from "More Options", everything is fine
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Wow, I have been on Bricklink for about eight years and I have only just now
found a better way of searching for 'decorated' parts using the 'pattern'
keyword! Up to now, I have been using 'with' keyword to search for decorated
parts!
( a bit embarrassing really! )
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Hurt | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 06:00 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
| | In Catalog, Hurt writes:
| | As long as I can still do searches like:
"brick 2 x 3 decorated" (or exchange the "decorated" with any other word) and
then select a color from "More Options", everything is fine
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Wow, I have been on Bricklink for about eight years and I have only just now
found a better way of searching for 'decorated' parts using the 'pattern'
keyword! Up to now, I have been using 'with' keyword to search for decorated
parts!
( a bit embarrassing really! )
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As of now, the keyword "pattern" seems to look for parts of the name of a part,
while "decorated" is the category itself (but as nearly every decorated part
has the "pattern" keyword in it, both searches should be the same).
Changing the category "Decorated" to "Pattern" may look strange, as already stated
by some other users. Changing it to "Patterned" wouldn't result in any benefit
for searching, because it is again another word than the word used in the names
of parts ("pattern").
I don't know what would be best. I don't mind leaving category names
with "Decorated" ... it least I wouldn't have to re-print my labels for the
boxes where I store the different bricklink categories 
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| | | | | Author: | mockingbird | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 06:37 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In my continual effort to make your lives marginally better (which is a close
second to my continual effort to be a person who does not use catchphrases),
I propose the following for discussion: why do we call patterns patterns pretty
much everywhere but in category names?
Nearly the only place you will see "Decorated" on BrickLink is in category names
(32 of them). When you click on decorated parts, though, you see parts with
patterns. I propose changing the word "Decorated" to the word "Pattern" in those
32 category names. This will have no effects except in aesthetics and site-wide
consistency.
LordSkylark has asked for a category split of the Aircraft category into patterned
and non-patterned parts. I decided to succumb to his demand and have created
a new category titled Aircraft, Pattern. Now you can look at it on the parts
category page and see if you prefer the way things are now or the way I suggest
we do things.
Provide input, please.
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I see nothing wrong with categories named 'decorated' and the use of
pattern in parts.
To me it means a collection of decorated parts. And the parts are decorated with
a certain pattern.
So I do not see the need to change anything in de current use.
I think there are more important updates/changes to make than changes pure for
aesthetics.
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| | | | | | | Author: | JulieK | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 08:50 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mockingbird writes:
| | I see nothing wrong with categories named 'decorated' and the use of
pattern in parts.
To me it means a collection of decorated parts. And the parts are decorated with
a certain pattern.
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I agree with the above
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 07:02 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I don't see the point of the "pattern" in the title anyway.
If everything in a decorated category has pattern in the title, it becomes useless
for searching if you restrict searches to that category.
I'd prefer that space was taken up with information about how the pattern
is made: sticker, print, dual mould. Of course, that would be better as tags
but if we cannot have those, they should be in the title.
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 07:12 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | I don't see the point of the "pattern" in the title anyway.
If everything in a decorated category has pattern in the title, it becomes useless
for searching if you restrict searches to that category.
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Something is necessary in the title because not everyone goes to categories first.
Sometimes people just want to find all the 2 x 2 bricks with a pattern. That's
the whole point of having a search feature and the search feature is only as
good as item titles.
Ideally, as you pointed out, we would be able to tag things for the purpose of
searching and we could have more reasonable item titles.
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| | | | | Author: | crazylegoman | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 09:51 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| As bje pointed out, the word "pattern" means a visual design that is repeating.
The vast majority of the things called "pattern" in the BL catalog really aren't.
I think the word "pattern" needs to be changed to "print" since that's what
it really is.
David
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| | | | | | | Author: | Hurt | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 10:06 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
| | As bje pointed out, the word "pattern" means a visual design that is repeating.
The vast majority of the things called "pattern" in the BL catalog really aren't.
I think the word "pattern" needs to be changed to "print" since that's what
it really is.
David
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I agree. Either print or sticker. Otherwise we would have to rename category
"Stickers" to "Patterns" as well
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| | | | | Author: | jenwick | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2018 13:02 | | Subject: | Re: Decorated vs. Pattern | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I like decorated. What I think would be really great is if there was a printed
decorated category and a stickered decorated category as some categories are
quite large.
Jen
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