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| | | Author: | SezaR  | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 07:33 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6393-1 | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 3742c01 Red Plant Flower Small, 4 on Sprue (Extra)
Comments from Submitter:
see the zoomed photo in this message:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1117061
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 29, 2018 12:19 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6393-1 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
OK, I spent a number of hours on this one, so here goes! 
This one is tough as there are two possible scenarios that I have come down to
with everything that I could find out about this set:
Scenario 1:
The set contained four plant stems and *at least* four sets of red flowers. Evidence
to suggest this are the box photos showing four sets of stems/flowers, the instruction
manual showing four sets of stems/flowers being built, and the photo of the sealed
set which you posted that definitely shows *at least* four sets of red flowers.
The current inventory contains four plant stems but only contains three sets
of red flowers. In this scenario, the inventory should be updated to have four
sets of red flowers with no extra.
Scenario 2:
The set contained three plant stems and four sets of red flowers. Evidence to
suggest this include numerous used sets from original owners that only have three
plant stems and three sets of red flowers. I also found a photo from one owner
who had all the original sprues still saved from his childhood set, and there
were only three red flower sprues present. Most used sets that had four sets
of stems/flowers were not from original owners and had most likely been checked
against the instructions for completeness. It is also known that box art and
instruction manuals cannot be completely relied upon as TLG has made changes
to set contents after creating the packaging.
The current inventory contains four plant stems but only contains three sets
of red flowers. In this scenario, the inventory should be updated to have three
plant stems and the extra set of red flowers in the photo you posted should be
made an extra.
Other information:
The current inventory was most likely copied from Peeron which copied it from
LUGNET. There is no information about the source of the inventory.
I found photos of multiple sealed set copies that showed all tires and wheels
preassembled and all of the 1x1 round plates on sprues. Therefore, I updated
the current inventory to have complete tire/wheel assemblies and 1x1 round plates
on sprues in the regular items section. Doing this brought the part total down
to 577.
Minifigures for this set were almost completely assembled in the sealed sets;
leg assemblies were the only thing separate from the combined hat/head/torso.
Therefore, if you only add in *two* parts for each minifigure in the set (of
which there are five), that brings the part total to 587.
The part count printed on the box is 586, which means there should be one extra
part in the regular items section that does not belong. My hypothesis is that
the extra part in question is the fourth plant stem which was most likely not
included in a sealed set. That would bring the part total completely in line
with that printed on the box.
I am leaning towards accepting this request and updating the plant stem total,
but I would like any input that others could provide before doing so.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 29, 2018 15:54 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6393-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | Minifigures for this set were almost completely assembled in the sealed sets;
leg assemblies were the only thing separate from the combined hat/head/torso.
Therefore, if you only add in *two* parts for each minifigure in the set (of
which there are five), that brings the part total to 587.
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The figures were assembled with headgear for display purposes, but I doubt it
would have changed how many parts TLG considered them to be for purposes of an
official part count. I don't know for sure, though - just mentioning it
as something for consideration.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Nov 29, 2018 16:19 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6393-1 | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
OK, I spent a number of hours on this one, so here goes!
This one is tough as there are two possible scenarios that I have come down to
with everything that I could find out about this set:
Scenario 1:
The set contained four plant stems and *at least* four sets of red flowers. Evidence
to suggest this are the box photos showing four sets of stems/flowers, the instruction
manual showing four sets of stems/flowers being built, and the photo of the sealed
set which you posted that definitely shows *at least* four sets of red flowers.
The current inventory contains four plant stems but only contains three sets
of red flowers. In this scenario, the inventory should be updated to have four
sets of red flowers with no extra.
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I would think this option is closest to the truth. We don't really have a
sealed source available, and we would need several of those showing that the
parts never came. There would be no reason for Lego to take a set of flowers
out of a set. They weren't running out of them and they are a fairly standard
part.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Nov 29, 2018 16:50 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6393-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
OK, I spent a number of hours on this one, so here goes!
This one is tough as there are two possible scenarios that I have come down to
with everything that I could find out about this set:
Scenario 1:
The set contained four plant stems and *at least* four sets of red flowers. Evidence
to suggest this are the box photos showing four sets of stems/flowers, the instruction
manual showing four sets of stems/flowers being built, and the photo of the sealed
set which you posted that definitely shows *at least* four sets of red flowers.
The current inventory contains four plant stems but only contains three sets
of red flowers. In this scenario, the inventory should be updated to have four
sets of red flowers with no extra.
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I would think this option is closest to the truth. We don't really have a
sealed source available, and we would need several of those showing that the
parts never came. There would be no reason for Lego to take a set of flowers
out of a set. They weren't running out of them and they are a fairly standard
part.
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I know that the thin clips were produced since early 1985 but I think the thin
clips should be kept in the inventory. (but hard to prove)
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 29, 2018 18:38 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6393-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | Scenario 1:
The set contained four plant stems and *at least* four sets of red flowers. Evidence
to suggest this are the box photos showing four sets of stems/flowers, the instruction
manual showing four sets of stems/flowers being built, and the photo of the sealed
set which you posted that definitely shows *at least* four sets of red flowers.
The current inventory contains four plant stems but only contains three sets
of red flowers. In this scenario, the inventory should be updated to have four
sets of red flowers with no extra.
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I would think this option is closest to the truth.
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After a lot more time thinking about it and looking at more sets, I think that
this is the most likely scenario also. I am much more comfortable sticking to
Scenario 1 than Scenario 2 when it comes to making a decision on this.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2018 10:44 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6393-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | Scenario 1:
The set contained four plant stems and *at least* four sets of red flowers. Evidence
to suggest this are the box photos showing four sets of stems/flowers, the instruction
manual showing four sets of stems/flowers being built, and the photo of the sealed
set which you posted that definitely shows *at least* four sets of red flowers.
The current inventory contains four plant stems but only contains three sets
of red flowers. In this scenario, the inventory should be updated to have four
sets of red flowers with no extra.
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I would think this option is closest to the truth.
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After a lot more time thinking about it and looking at more sets, I think that
this is the most likely scenario also. I am much more comfortable sticking to
Scenario 1 than Scenario 2 when it comes to making a decision on this.
Cheers,
Randy
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My decision on this has been made.
For now, I am going to reject this request and change the number of sets of red
flowers in the regular items section from 3 to 4. There is just too much data
to suggest that there were supposed to be four sets of stems/flowers in this
set.
For those looking into this further in the future, I do have some data to suggest
that the Samsonite Canadian version of this set might have only come with three
sets of stems/flowers while the US version of this set came with four sets of
stems/flowers. However, this data is inconclusive at this point. This could be
the reason that I am seeing some sets from original owners with only three sets
of stem/flowers.
Cheers,
Randy
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