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| | | Author: | VVV  | | Posted: | Nov 22, 2018 16:22 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 3627-1 | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 5 Part 3741 Green Plant Flower Stem
* Add 2 Part 3742c01 Red Plant Flower Small, 4 on Sprue
Comments from Submitter:
You can even see the two red flowers on the box picture you have uploaded, if you have the box infromt of you it is clear that it is 2 flowers with 2 steams and one extra yellow
id did use the C action but i did not allow me
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| | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2018 07:53 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 3627-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, VVV writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 5 Part 3741 Green Plant Flower Stem
* Add 2 Part 3742c01 Red Plant Flower Small, 4 on Sprue
Comments from Submitter:
You can even see the two red flowers on the box picture you have uploaded, if you have the box infromt of you it is clear that it is 2 flowers with 2 steams and one extra yellow
id did use the C action but i did not allow me
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So I dig through the web and I found that you could have right. But unfortunatly
almost all proves are only circumstantial evidences. Problem is that pepole who
have the set or sell it in many case have totaly different count of plant stems
and flowers, all are used sets. I couldn't find any, for sure, sealed one.
So how it looks like. Firts photo from our site, looks like seald one but I don't
have solid proof that is really sealed. There clearly visible two red flowers
four on spur and bearly visible two white four on spur flowers, but there is
no flower steams visible. So it rises doubts about plant stems. Second photo,
used set but in great condition stored in oryginal packing by serious collector
( http://www.moc-pages.com/home.php/30365 ). There are six red flowers (so coudn't
be only one set on spur of these flowers), also six white ones (so the same sitation
as red) and three yellow. There are five plant stems. This is the only example
with five of this part which I could find. Next instruction, on step 6 there
are visible bearly four red flowers because all is cover by watering can  .
So last hint is box picture. Let see (the best one which I used to analysis is
from second photo. There are clearly visible 5 white flowers (so should be more
than one spur), also 5 red flowers are visible (so should be more than one spur)
and when you carefully check it as I showed on last photo there should be 5 plant
stems  When you now compare it with this used one from second photo it looks
very logical, one stem with yellow flowers, two with red flowers, two with white
flowers then after such assembly of set you will have extra flower from all spurs
(2 red, 2 white and 1 yellow) (In the change log for this set are some hint because
originally this set was with separate flowers in regular inventory not those
on spurs, which were added later). As I showed instruction do not explain how
to assembly these flowers so probaly they were treated very differently by owners
so any possibly combination could be expected When you have extra flowers
left from spurs they could be very easly lost (and such sitation shows photos
of this set for sell in nowdays, different count of flowers and stems). So now
it is very hard to track in this kind of set how it was orginally packed
So I have still doubts about this changes. Of course you probably could have
right but I lean towards to reject this request after analysing this whole sitation,
as no soild and direct proof could be found and there are only hints and circumstantial
evidences, but keeping in mind that we could return to it if better proof would
be found.
I leave this request open for a few days more, maybe somebody with better knowledge
of Fabuland sets or some more proofs could chime in. I still could be convinced
to change my mind.
Randy what your thoughts about it?
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2018 16:33 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 3627-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
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I did a lot of my own research last night on this set, and I pretty much came
to the same conclusions as you. I could not find any real good proof, just a
bunch of used sets and box images. I think it is highly likely that the set did
come with two sets of red flowers and five stems, but I just wish I could prove
that assumption a bit better. As it stands, I cannot, so I am leaning towards
no changes to the inventory unless someone steps forward with some better proof.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2018 17:00 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 3627-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | Randy what your thoughts about it?
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I did a lot of my own research last night on this set, and I pretty much came
to the same conclusions as you. I could not find any real good proof, just a
bunch of used sets and box images. I think it is highly likely that the set did
come with two sets of red flowers and five stems, but I just wish I could prove
that assumption a bit better. As it stands, I cannot, so I am leaning towards
no changes to the inventory unless someone steps forward with some better proof.
Cheers,
Randy
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Glad that we agree
So lets only wait two-three days maybe somebody could provide here better prove
if not request will be reject.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2018 22:43 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 3627-1 | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | Randy what your thoughts about it?
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I did a lot of my own research last night on this set, and I pretty much came
to the same conclusions as you. I could not find any real good proof, just a
bunch of used sets and box images. I think it is highly likely that the set did
come with two sets of red flowers and five stems, but I just wish I could prove
that assumption a bit better. As it stands, I cannot, so I am leaning towards
no changes to the inventory unless someone steps forward with some better proof.
Cheers,
Randy
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Glad that we agree
So lets only wait two-three days maybe somebody could provide here better prove
if not request will be reject.
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I have uploaded two images cropped from original images at Brickset. The first
is from a catalog and it shows that there are three clusters of flowers - two
stacked and one single. Each stacked cluster has one stemfull of white flowers
and one stemfull of red flowers.
Looking at other Fabuland sets, each stem used in a set always had three of the
same color of flower. The "stacking" feature of these flowers was undoubtedly
engineered into the parts because stacked flowers were used from the very beginning:
Because of the spacing between the flowers, they alternated lower / upper / lower
/ upper, etc when the stems were stacked. So if the stems each had a full complement
of a different color, the colors would also alternate, which is what we see in
the first image.
The second image is the box cover, but it's a bigger image than the one upthread
and easier to see. I have labeled all the flowers and stems.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 24, 2018 04:23 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 3627-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | Randy what your thoughts about it?
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I did a lot of my own research last night on this set, and I pretty much came
to the same conclusions as you. I could not find any real good proof, just a
bunch of used sets and box images. I think it is highly likely that the set did
come with two sets of red flowers and five stems, but I just wish I could prove
that assumption a bit better. As it stands, I cannot, so I am leaning towards
no changes to the inventory unless someone steps forward with some better proof.
Cheers,
Randy
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Glad that we agree
So lets only wait two-three days maybe somebody could provide here better prove
if not request will be reject.
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I have uploaded two images cropped from original images at Brickset. The first
is from a catalog and it shows that there are three clusters of flowers - two
stacked and one single. Each stacked cluster has one stemfull of white flowers
and one stemfull of red flowers.
Looking at other Fabuland sets, each stem used in a set always had three of the
same color of flower. The "stacking" feature of these flowers was undoubtedly
engineered into the parts because stacked flowers were used from the very beginning:
Because of the spacing between the flowers, they alternated lower / upper / lower
/ upper, etc when the stems were stacked. So if the stems each had a full complement
of a different color, the colors would also alternate, which is what we see in
the first image.
The second image is the box cover, but it's a bigger image than the one upthread
and easier to see. I have labeled all the flowers and stems.
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Thanks Russell
I didn't looked to the LEGO catalog image.
So another clue that this is true (there is more stems and flowers thna currently
in the inventory)
Evidences:
1. probably sealed set (photo on Bricklink)
2. used set but in great condition from collector still with box
3. Box image of set
4. LEGO catalog image
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 24, 2018 16:56 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 3627-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | Randy what your thoughts about it?
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I did a lot of my own research last night on this set, and I pretty much came
to the same conclusions as you. I could not find any real good proof, just a
bunch of used sets and box images. I think it is highly likely that the set did
come with two sets of red flowers and five stems, but I just wish I could prove
that assumption a bit better. As it stands, I cannot, so I am leaning towards
no changes to the inventory unless someone steps forward with some better proof.
Cheers,
Randy
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Glad that we agree
So lets only wait two-three days maybe somebody could provide here better prove
if not request will be reject.
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I have uploaded two images cropped from original images at Brickset. The first
is from a catalog and it shows that there are three clusters of flowers - two
stacked and one single. Each stacked cluster has one stemfull of white flowers
and one stemfull of red flowers.
Looking at other Fabuland sets, each stem used in a set always had three of the
same color of flower. The "stacking" feature of these flowers was undoubtedly
engineered into the parts because stacked flowers were used from the very beginning:
Because of the spacing between the flowers, they alternated lower / upper / lower
/ upper, etc when the stems were stacked. So if the stems each had a full complement
of a different color, the colors would also alternate, which is what we see in
the first image.
The second image is the box cover, but it's a bigger image than the one upthread
and easier to see. I have labeled all the flowers and stems.
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Thanks Russell
I didn't looked to the LEGO catalog image.
So another clue that this is true (there is more stems and flowers thna currently
in the inventory)
Evidences:
1. probably sealed set (photo on Bricklink)
2. used set but in great condition from collector still with box
3. Box image of set
4. LEGO catalog image
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Found photos of seald one. Lookin at it I'm now convinced that this which
photo is in Bricklink shows also sealed one. The way how they are packed in blisters
I think makes it impossible to check from the photo full content. In this one
two spurs with red flowers are also visible one on the back and one is behind
the head of the rabbit. Poorly visible on upload photo, on orginal page from
which photos are they can be magnify and it is visible. I tried cropped image
to make it better visible (third photo).
On set which photo is in Bricklink database there are visible flowers in these
quantities: 2 spures of reds and 2 spures of whites. On set uploaded here there
are visible 2 spures of reds, 1 spure of whites and 1 spure of yellow. So having
two now sealed I think it is clear now that in this set occurs 2 spures of reds,
2 spures of whites and one spure of yellows. Stems are still not visible. We
have confirmed 5 sets of flowers so should be for them 5 stems then which
is followed by above circumstantial evidences.
Last photo shows just used set but consistence with all other proves and box
set image.
Now I'm convinced about these changes and that in this set are:
5 Part 3741 Green Plant Flower Stem
2 Part 3742c01 Red Plant Flower Small, 4 on Sprue
Request will be approved but as there are added full quantities of mentioned
parts old entries with wrong quantites will be then manualy by me removed from
the inventory.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 26, 2018 10:58 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 3627-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| I also feel good about the final decision here, and I am glad that all of our
efforts converged on the same one. Great job finding that last bit of evidence,
Marek! 
Cheers,
Randy
In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | Randy what your thoughts about it?
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I did a lot of my own research last night on this set, and I pretty much came
to the same conclusions as you. I could not find any real good proof, just a
bunch of used sets and box images. I think it is highly likely that the set did
come with two sets of red flowers and five stems, but I just wish I could prove
that assumption a bit better. As it stands, I cannot, so I am leaning towards
no changes to the inventory unless someone steps forward with some better proof.
Cheers,
Randy
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Glad that we agree
So lets only wait two-three days maybe somebody could provide here better prove
if not request will be reject.
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I have uploaded two images cropped from original images at Brickset. The first
is from a catalog and it shows that there are three clusters of flowers - two
stacked and one single. Each stacked cluster has one stemfull of white flowers
and one stemfull of red flowers.
Looking at other Fabuland sets, each stem used in a set always had three of the
same color of flower. The "stacking" feature of these flowers was undoubtedly
engineered into the parts because stacked flowers were used from the very beginning:
Because of the spacing between the flowers, they alternated lower / upper / lower
/ upper, etc when the stems were stacked. So if the stems each had a full complement
of a different color, the colors would also alternate, which is what we see in
the first image.
The second image is the box cover, but it's a bigger image than the one upthread
and easier to see. I have labeled all the flowers and stems.
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Thanks Russell
I didn't looked to the LEGO catalog image.
So another clue that this is true (there is more stems and flowers thna currently
in the inventory)
Evidences:
1. probably sealed set (photo on Bricklink)
2. used set but in great condition from collector still with box
3. Box image of set
4. LEGO catalog image
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Found photos of seald one. Lookin at it I'm now convinced that this which
photo is in Bricklink shows also sealed one. The way how they are packed in blisters
I think makes it impossible to check from the photo full content. In this one
two spurs with red flowers are also visible one on the back and one is behind
the head of the rabbit. Poorly visible on upload photo, on orginal page from
which photos are they can be magnify and it is visible. I tried cropped image
to make it better visible (third photo).
On set which photo is in Bricklink database there are visible flowers in these
quantities: 2 spures of reds and 2 spures of whites. On set uploaded here there
are visible 2 spures of reds, 1 spure of whites and 1 spure of yellow. So having
two now sealed I think it is clear now that in this set occurs 2 spures of reds,
2 spures of whites and one spure of yellows. Stems are still not visible. We
have confirmed 5 sets of flowers so should be for them 5 stems then which
is followed by above circumstantial evidences.
Last photo shows just used set but consistence with all other proves and box
set image.
Now I'm convinced about these changes and that in this set are:
5 Part 3741 Green Plant Flower Stem
2 Part 3742c01 Red Plant Flower Small, 4 on Sprue
Request will be approved but as there are added full quantities of mentioned
parts old entries with wrong quantites will be then manualy by me removed from
the inventory.
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