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| | | Author: | SezaR  | | Posted: | Nov 20, 2018 00:05 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1 | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 3 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs
* Add 3 Part 4275 Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers
Comments from Submitter:
Photos to be followed
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| | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Nov 20, 2018 00:06 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 3 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs
* Add 3 Part 4275 Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers
Comments from Submitter:
Photos to be followed
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 20, 2018 00:18 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 3 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs
* Add 3 Part 4275 Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers
Comments from Submitter:
Photos to be followed
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The only 4275 in Light Gray that I can see in that photo is upside down so that
I can only see the bottom of it. Is there a way to know what the studs on the
other side look like without being able to actually see them from that side?
Or is there something else in the photo that I am missing?
Thanks,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Nov 20, 2018 00:42 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 3 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs
* Add 3 Part 4275 Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers
Comments from Submitter:
Photos to be followed
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The only 4275 in Light Gray that I can see in that photo is upside down so that
I can only see the bottom of it. Is there a way to know what the studs on the
other side look like without being able to actually see them from that side?
Or is there something else in the photo that I am missing?
Thanks,
Randy
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If you have any 1*2 plate around (or 1*3,...) check its bottom: that would be
how the bottom of hinge with solid stud look like; there should be a deep hole.
The bottom of the hinges with hollow stud look as in this photo.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 20, 2018 01:31 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 3 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs
* Add 3 Part 4275 Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers
Comments from Submitter:
Photos to be followed
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The only 4275 in Light Gray that I can see in that photo is upside down so that
I can only see the bottom of it. Is there a way to know what the studs on the
other side look like without being able to actually see them from that side?
Or is there something else in the photo that I am missing?
Thanks,
Randy
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If you have any 1*2 plate around (or 1*3,...) check its bottom: that would be
how the bottom of hinge with solid stud look like; there should be a deep hole.
The bottom of the hinges with hollow stud look as in this photo.
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OK. That makes sense. 
I found the auction that contains the image you posted. The description of the
auction says "New in box original packaging". However, when you look at the images,
the seals on both ends of the box are cut open. How can I be sure this is really
a new copy of the set that was not tampered with?
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Nov 20, 2018 02:05 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 3 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs
* Add 3 Part 4275 Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers
Comments from Submitter:
Photos to be followed
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The only 4275 in Light Gray that I can see in that photo is upside down so that
I can only see the bottom of it. Is there a way to know what the studs on the
other side look like without being able to actually see them from that side?
Or is there something else in the photo that I am missing?
Thanks,
Randy
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If you have any 1*2 plate around (or 1*3,...) check its bottom: that would be
how the bottom of hinge with solid stud look like; there should be a deep hole.
The bottom of the hinges with hollow stud look as in this photo.
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OK. That makes sense.
I found the auction that contains the image you posted. The description of the
auction says "New in box original packaging". However, when you look at the images,
the seals on both ends of the box are cut open. How can I be sure this is really
a new copy of the set that was not tampered with?
Cheers,
Randy
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I see the plastic bags inside the box. I think if I request extra photos or
ask him if the plastic bags are sealed, he would give the answer or provide extra
photos. Would you like me to contact the seller?
I may have photos of another copy of this set in my PC but I cannot check it
right now.
But then we can always push these arguments to any extend:
- How do we know a sealed set was not opened, tampered with and resealed again?
- how do we know if plastic bags were not opened and sealed again?
I may own a sealed vintage set but still not sure if it is original. Nowadays
there are more and more fake sealed sets (unfortunately)/
So where do you draw the line?
Extra evidence based on my knowledge about this part:
- I believe the hinges with hollow studs were produced since late 1984. I know
that the light gray hinges with solid stud have never seen with this set (sealed,
copy,...) This inventory change request is an evidence for this:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=235359
The date of motor is 45 4 (45th week in 1984) and all parts also early version.
The set 7745 was released between 1985-90.
This set 720-1 was in market at least until 1989 so it is very unlikely that
the hinges with solid studs came with it until 1989. I believe they never came
with this set but that should be hard or rather impossible to prove 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 20, 2018 11:21 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | I see the plastic bags inside the box. I think if I request extra photos or
ask him if the plastic bags are sealed, he would give the answer or provide extra
photos. Would you like me to contact the seller?
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If you would like to do that, it would be appreciated.
| | I may have photos of another copy of this set in my PC but I cannot check it
right now.
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When you can, please add that photo to the thread or send the raw image to inv@bricklink.com
| | But then we can always push these arguments to any extend:
- How do we know a sealed set was not opened, tampered with and resealed again?
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We don't, but it is more and more likely these days that these old sets have
been resealed to try and make a profit. Modern sets are easy to fix, because
multiple people are checking them constantly from sealed sets. More data points
for these sets makes it less and less likely that errors will occur. However,
for these old sets, we only have so much data to work with. I do not take any
inventory changes lightly, so I must be convinced beyond reasonable doubt before
I will make a change. I hope you can understand my position.
| | - how do we know if plastic bags were not opened and sealed again?
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See above.
| | I may own a sealed vintage set but still not sure if it is original. Nowadays
there are more and more fake sealed sets (unfortunately)/
So where do you draw the line?
|
As Inventory Admins, we are the last line of defense before bad data enters the
system. I take that responsibility *very* seriously. I draw my line when I personally
feel that I am comfortable enough that making the change to an inventory is a
good thing for BrickLink's catalog and BrickLink's users. If I do not
yet feel comfortable, I am going to question things until I either get comfortable
and accept the request or make a decision that I will wait for more data and
reject the request.
| | Extra evidence based on my knowledge about this part:
- I believe the hinges with hollow studs were produced since late 1984. I know
that the light gray hinges with solid stud have never seen with this set (sealed,
copy,...) This inventory change request is an evidence for this:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=235359
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I do not have a good knowledge of this part, so I cannot say whether your belief
is correct. As I have stated before, the images of the 720-1 that you posted
in this thread were *not* sealed, yet the auction was listed as such. That does
not instill me with confidence in the source. If you have further proof of a
sealed set for 720-1 like the images shown in the thread posted, please add them.
| | The date of motor is 45 4 (45th week in 1984) and all parts also early version.
The set 7745 was released between 1985-90.
This set 720-1 was in market at least until 1989 so it is very unlikely that
the hinges with solid studs came with it until 1989. I believe they never came
with this set but that should be hard or rather impossible to prove
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I am sorry that I can't make decisions based on beliefs for this set. Unfortunately,
if it is hard or impossible to prove, then the inventory will remain as is. I
will leave this request open for a while so yourself and others may have time
to add additional information.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | taxan | | Posted: | Nov 20, 2018 14:41 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | I see the plastic bags inside the box. I think if I request extra photos or
ask him if the plastic bags are sealed, he would give the answer or provide extra
photos. Would you like me to contact the seller?
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If you would like to do that, it would be appreciated.
| | I may have photos of another copy of this set in my PC but I cannot check it
right now.
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When you can, please add that photo to the thread or send the raw image to inv@bricklink.com
| | But then we can always push these arguments to any extend:
- How do we know a sealed set was not opened, tampered with and resealed again?
|
We don't, but it is more and more likely these days that these old sets have
been resealed to try and make a profit. Modern sets are easy to fix, because
multiple people are checking them constantly from sealed sets. More data points
for these sets makes it less and less likely that errors will occur. However,
for these old sets, we only have so much data to work with. I do not take any
inventory changes lightly, so I must be convinced beyond reasonable doubt before
I will make a change. I hope you can understand my position.
| | - how do we know if plastic bags were not opened and sealed again?
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See above.
| | I may own a sealed vintage set but still not sure if it is original. Nowadays
there are more and more fake sealed sets (unfortunately)/
So where do you draw the line?
|
As Inventory Admins, we are the last line of defense before bad data enters the
system. I take that responsibility *very* seriously. I draw my line when I personally
feel that I am comfortable enough that making the change to an inventory is a
good thing for BrickLink's catalog and BrickLink's users. If I do not
yet feel comfortable, I am going to question things until I either get comfortable
and accept the request or make a decision that I will wait for more data and
reject the request.
| | Extra evidence based on my knowledge about this part:
- I believe the hinges with hollow studs were produced since late 1984. I know
that the light gray hinges with solid stud have never seen with this set (sealed,
copy,...) This inventory change request is an evidence for this:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=235359
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I do not have a good knowledge of this part, so I cannot say whether your belief
is correct. As I have stated before, the images of the 720-1 that you posted
in this thread were *not* sealed, yet the auction was listed as such. That does
not instill me with confidence in the source. If you have further proof of a
sealed set for 720-1 like the images shown in the thread posted, please add them.
| | The date of motor is 45 4 (45th week in 1984) and all parts also early version.
The set 7745 was released between 1985-90.
This set 720-1 was in market at least until 1989 so it is very unlikely that
the hinges with solid studs came with it until 1989. I believe they never came
with this set but that should be hard or rather impossible to prove
|
I am sorry that I can't make decisions based on beliefs for this set. Unfortunately,
if it is hard or impossible to prove, then the inventory will remain as is. I
will leave this request open for a while so yourself and others may have time
to add additional information.
Cheers,
Randy
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Looks like the image on the box support this change.
And yes i know LEGO do changes after the photo is taken some time.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Nov 20, 2018 15:40 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, taxan writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | I see the plastic bags inside the box. I think if I request extra photos or
ask him if the plastic bags are sealed, he would give the answer or provide extra
photos. Would you like me to contact the seller?
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If you would like to do that, it would be appreciated.
| | I may have photos of another copy of this set in my PC but I cannot check it
right now.
|
When you can, please add that photo to the thread or send the raw image to inv@bricklink.com
| | But then we can always push these arguments to any extend:
- How do we know a sealed set was not opened, tampered with and resealed again?
|
We don't, but it is more and more likely these days that these old sets have
been resealed to try and make a profit. Modern sets are easy to fix, because
multiple people are checking them constantly from sealed sets. More data points
for these sets makes it less and less likely that errors will occur. However,
for these old sets, we only have so much data to work with. I do not take any
inventory changes lightly, so I must be convinced beyond reasonable doubt before
I will make a change. I hope you can understand my position.
| | - how do we know if plastic bags were not opened and sealed again?
|
See above.
| | I may own a sealed vintage set but still not sure if it is original. Nowadays
there are more and more fake sealed sets (unfortunately)/
So where do you draw the line?
|
As Inventory Admins, we are the last line of defense before bad data enters the
system. I take that responsibility *very* seriously. I draw my line when I personally
feel that I am comfortable enough that making the change to an inventory is a
good thing for BrickLink's catalog and BrickLink's users. If I do not
yet feel comfortable, I am going to question things until I either get comfortable
and accept the request or make a decision that I will wait for more data and
reject the request.
| | Extra evidence based on my knowledge about this part:
- I believe the hinges with hollow studs were produced since late 1984. I know
that the light gray hinges with solid stud have never seen with this set (sealed,
copy,...) This inventory change request is an evidence for this:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=235359
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I do not have a good knowledge of this part, so I cannot say whether your belief
is correct. As I have stated before, the images of the 720-1 that you posted
in this thread were *not* sealed, yet the auction was listed as such. That does
not instill me with confidence in the source. If you have further proof of a
sealed set for 720-1 like the images shown in the thread posted, please add them.
| | The date of motor is 45 4 (45th week in 1984) and all parts also early version.
The set 7745 was released between 1985-90.
This set 720-1 was in market at least until 1989 so it is very unlikely that
the hinges with solid studs came with it until 1989. I believe they never came
with this set but that should be hard or rather impossible to prove
|
I am sorry that I can't make decisions based on beliefs for this set. Unfortunately,
if it is hard or impossible to prove, then the inventory will remain as is. I
will leave this request open for a while so yourself and others may have time
to add additional information.
Cheers,
Randy
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Looks like the image on the box support this change.
And yes i know LEGO do changes after the photo is taken some time.
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As you said, the photo of the box does not show anything because the box and
these photos were designed before the new variant 4275 (and 4276) were produced.
Another example of the exact same part (of the same color) is the set 7745-1
from the same year 1985.
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=235359
The date of the motor and other parts proves that this copy was a very early
release coming with 4275 and 4276. The photos of the box, the instructions and
catalogs show 4275a and 4276a. It is interesting that for a catalog of 1988,
new photos were taken from this train showing 4276
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Nov 20, 2018 15:36 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | I see the plastic bags inside the box. I think if I request extra photos or
ask him if the plastic bags are sealed, he would give the answer or provide extra
photos. Would you like me to contact the seller?
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If you would like to do that, it would be appreciated.
| | I may have photos of another copy of this set in my PC but I cannot check it
right now.
|
When you can, please add that photo to the thread or send the raw image to inv@bricklink.com
| | But then we can always push these arguments to any extend:
- How do we know a sealed set was not opened, tampered with and resealed again?
|
We don't, but it is more and more likely these days that these old sets have
been resealed to try and make a profit. Modern sets are easy to fix, because
multiple people are checking them constantly from sealed sets. More data points
for these sets makes it less and less likely that errors will occur. However,
for these old sets, we only have so much data to work with. I do not take any
inventory changes lightly, so I must be convinced beyond reasonable doubt before
I will make a change. I hope you can understand my position.
| | - how do we know if plastic bags were not opened and sealed again?
|
See above.
| | I may own a sealed vintage set but still not sure if it is original. Nowadays
there are more and more fake sealed sets (unfortunately)/
So where do you draw the line?
|
As Inventory Admins, we are the last line of defense before bad data enters the
system. I take that responsibility *very* seriously. I draw my line when I personally
feel that I am comfortable enough that making the change to an inventory is a
good thing for BrickLink's catalog and BrickLink's users. If I do not
yet feel comfortable, I am going to question things until I either get comfortable
and accept the request or make a decision that I will wait for more data and
reject the request.
| | Extra evidence based on my knowledge about this part:
- I believe the hinges with hollow studs were produced since late 1984. I know
that the light gray hinges with solid stud have never seen with this set (sealed,
copy,...) This inventory change request is an evidence for this:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=235359
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I do not have a good knowledge of this part, so I cannot say whether your belief
is correct. As I have stated before, the images of the 720-1 that you posted
in this thread were *not* sealed, yet the auction was listed as such. That does
not instill me with confidence in the source. If you have further proof of a
sealed set for 720-1 like the images shown in the thread posted, please add them.
| | The date of motor is 45 4 (45th week in 1984) and all parts also early version.
The set 7745 was released between 1985-90.
This set 720-1 was in market at least until 1989 so it is very unlikely that
the hinges with solid studs came with it until 1989. I believe they never came
with this set but that should be hard or rather impossible to prove
|
I am sorry that I can't make decisions based on beliefs for this set. Unfortunately,
if it is hard or impossible to prove, then the inventory will remain as is. I
will leave this request open for a while so yourself and others may have time
to add additional information.
Cheers,
Randy
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I checked my PC and saw that I had saved these photos of a sealed copy few months
ago (during the time I could not submit any inventory change request) The seals
are intact based on the photos. Is this good enough?
The photos of this copy shows that the box is different. It has languages French
and Italian. The very interesting thing is that these light gray hinges appears
on the box "assembled" but it is written "3" under 4275a and "2" under 4531!
I have worked on this part for few months and realized that the very first time
it was produced was early 1985 yet it could had been used after until they ran
out of old stock of 4275a and 4276a. Do you note the transition time for each
part (to have a guideline)?
This is why I believed in this inventory change request.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 20, 2018 15:45 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | I see the plastic bags inside the box. I think if I request extra photos or
ask him if the plastic bags are sealed, he would give the answer or provide extra
photos. Would you like me to contact the seller?
|
If you would like to do that, it would be appreciated.
| | I may have photos of another copy of this set in my PC but I cannot check it
right now.
|
When you can, please add that photo to the thread or send the raw image to inv@bricklink.com
| | But then we can always push these arguments to any extend:
- How do we know a sealed set was not opened, tampered with and resealed again?
|
We don't, but it is more and more likely these days that these old sets have
been resealed to try and make a profit. Modern sets are easy to fix, because
multiple people are checking them constantly from sealed sets. More data points
for these sets makes it less and less likely that errors will occur. However,
for these old sets, we only have so much data to work with. I do not take any
inventory changes lightly, so I must be convinced beyond reasonable doubt before
I will make a change. I hope you can understand my position.
| | - how do we know if plastic bags were not opened and sealed again?
|
See above.
| | I may own a sealed vintage set but still not sure if it is original. Nowadays
there are more and more fake sealed sets (unfortunately)/
So where do you draw the line?
|
As Inventory Admins, we are the last line of defense before bad data enters the
system. I take that responsibility *very* seriously. I draw my line when I personally
feel that I am comfortable enough that making the change to an inventory is a
good thing for BrickLink's catalog and BrickLink's users. If I do not
yet feel comfortable, I am going to question things until I either get comfortable
and accept the request or make a decision that I will wait for more data and
reject the request.
| | Extra evidence based on my knowledge about this part:
- I believe the hinges with hollow studs were produced since late 1984. I know
that the light gray hinges with solid stud have never seen with this set (sealed,
copy,...) This inventory change request is an evidence for this:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=235359
|
I do not have a good knowledge of this part, so I cannot say whether your belief
is correct. As I have stated before, the images of the 720-1 that you posted
in this thread were *not* sealed, yet the auction was listed as such. That does
not instill me with confidence in the source. If you have further proof of a
sealed set for 720-1 like the images shown in the thread posted, please add them.
| | The date of motor is 45 4 (45th week in 1984) and all parts also early version.
The set 7745 was released between 1985-90.
This set 720-1 was in market at least until 1989 so it is very unlikely that
the hinges with solid studs came with it until 1989. I believe they never came
with this set but that should be hard or rather impossible to prove
|
I am sorry that I can't make decisions based on beliefs for this set. Unfortunately,
if it is hard or impossible to prove, then the inventory will remain as is. I
will leave this request open for a while so yourself and others may have time
to add additional information.
Cheers,
Randy
|
I checked my PC and saw that I had saved these photos of a sealed copy few months
ago (during the time I could not submit any inventory change request) The seals
are intact based on the photos. Is this good enough?
The photos of this copy shows that the box is different. It has languages French
and Italian. The very interesting thing is that these light gray hinges appears
on the box "assembled" but it is written "3" under 4275a and "2" under 4531!
I have worked on this part for few months and realized that the very first time
it was produced was early 1985 yet it could had been used after until they ran
out of old stock of 4275a and 4276a. Do you note the transition time for each
part (to have a guideline)?
This is why I believed in this inventory change request.
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The most interesting thing which is visible on your photos is completly different
printed parts list, compare with these.
On your photos on parts list larger wheels are shown assembled also minifg is
complete. Very interesting. Didn't know that this basic sets can have such
different parts lists on box.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 20, 2018 15:49 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | On your photos on parts list larger wheels are shown assembled also minifg is
complete. Very interesting. Didn't know that this basic sets can have such
different parts lists on box.
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But it is clearly visible on other photo of this set that in fact these wheels
are not pre assembled despite what parts list on box shows.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Nov 20, 2018 16:29 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | I see the plastic bags inside the box. I think if I request extra photos or
ask him if the plastic bags are sealed, he would give the answer or provide extra
photos. Would you like me to contact the seller?
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If you would like to do that, it would be appreciated.
| | I may have photos of another copy of this set in my PC but I cannot check it
right now.
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When you can, please add that photo to the thread or send the raw image to inv@bricklink.com
| | But then we can always push these arguments to any extend:
- How do we know a sealed set was not opened, tampered with and resealed again?
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We don't, but it is more and more likely these days that these old sets have
been resealed to try and make a profit. Modern sets are easy to fix, because
multiple people are checking them constantly from sealed sets. More data points
for these sets makes it less and less likely that errors will occur. However,
for these old sets, we only have so much data to work with. I do not take any
inventory changes lightly, so I must be convinced beyond reasonable doubt before
I will make a change. I hope you can understand my position.
| | - how do we know if plastic bags were not opened and sealed again?
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See above.
| | I may own a sealed vintage set but still not sure if it is original. Nowadays
there are more and more fake sealed sets (unfortunately)/
So where do you draw the line?
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As Inventory Admins, we are the last line of defense before bad data enters the
system. I take that responsibility *very* seriously. I draw my line when I personally
feel that I am comfortable enough that making the change to an inventory is a
good thing for BrickLink's catalog and BrickLink's users. If I do not
yet feel comfortable, I am going to question things until I either get comfortable
and accept the request or make a decision that I will wait for more data and
reject the request.
| | Extra evidence based on my knowledge about this part:
- I believe the hinges with hollow studs were produced since late 1984. I know
that the light gray hinges with solid stud have never seen with this set (sealed,
copy,...) This inventory change request is an evidence for this:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=235359
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I do not have a good knowledge of this part, so I cannot say whether your belief
is correct. As I have stated before, the images of the 720-1 that you posted
in this thread were *not* sealed, yet the auction was listed as such. That does
not instill me with confidence in the source. If you have further proof of a
sealed set for 720-1 like the images shown in the thread posted, please add them.
| | The date of motor is 45 4 (45th week in 1984) and all parts also early version.
The set 7745 was released between 1985-90.
This set 720-1 was in market at least until 1989 so it is very unlikely that
the hinges with solid studs came with it until 1989. I believe they never came
with this set but that should be hard or rather impossible to prove
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I am sorry that I can't make decisions based on beliefs for this set. Unfortunately,
if it is hard or impossible to prove, then the inventory will remain as is. I
will leave this request open for a while so yourself and others may have time
to add additional information.
Cheers,
Randy
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I checked my PC and saw that I had saved these photos of a sealed copy few months
ago (during the time I could not submit any inventory change request) The seals
are intact based on the photos. Is this good enough?
The photos of this copy shows that the box is different. It has languages French
and Italian. The very interesting thing is that these light gray hinges appears
on the box "assembled" but it is written "3" under 4275a and "2" under 4531!
I have worked on this part for few months and realized that the very first time
it was produced was early 1985 yet it could had been used after until they ran
out of old stock of 4275a and 4276a. Do you note the transition time for each
part (to have a guideline)?
This is why I believed in this inventory change request.
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The most interesting thing which is visible on your photos is completly different
printed parts list, compare with these.
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Yes, this is what I mentioned. In 80s, there were variations of boxes based on
the language (so market). The box in my photos have languages D/F/I (German,
French, Italian)
The boxes mentioned in this thread are US (only English).
There should also be Canadian one (English, French) with a different box and
maybe different piece count (like the set 6384 or 6386 but I don't remember
which, I need to check later)
And UK/F/NL (see photo attached)
And Japanese!
There is also a box with seven languages which should be the one released in
1989 or later (see photo attached)
I didn't find photos of the part list printed on the side of the box for
other variations.
You may find this article interesting.
https://forum.brickset.com/discussion/17761/lego-set-box-variations-for-eu-uk-aus-usa-can-and-why-some-are-worth-more-than-others
| | On your photos on parts list larger wheels are shown assembled also minifg is
complete. Very interesting. Didn't know that this basic sets can have such
different parts lists on box.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 20, 2018 18:02 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | I checked my PC and saw that I had saved these photos of a sealed copy few months
ago (during the time I could not submit any inventory change request) The seals
are intact based on the photos. Is this good enough?
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Yes, these are wonderful images! I can clearly tell that the seals seem to be
original and intact, I can clearly see the contents in the box sealed in their
bags, and I can clearly see the 4275. Excellent job! 
| | The photos of this copy shows that the box is different. It has languages French
and Italian. The very interesting thing is that these light gray hinges appears
on the box "assembled" but it is written "3" under 4275a and "2" under 4531!
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Yes, the parts list on this box is *very* interesting. It is a great example
for understanding that these parts lists printed on the sides of boxes cannot
be fully trusted either when making inventory change decisions. The contents
of each set really need to be examined case-by-case.
| | I have worked on this part for few months and realized that the very first time
it was produced was early 1985 yet it could had been used after until they ran
out of old stock of 4275a and 4276a. Do you note the transition time for each
part (to have a guideline)?
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Yes, I was looking at the transition range for this part and its variant. Although
the timeline data is interesting as a whole, I do not use the timelines to make
inventory changes unless a *lot* of data has been proven reliable.
| | This is why I believed in this inventory change request.
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I'm glad you did, because I have learned a lot from this. Thanks for contributing,
and I hope you will do so again!
Request accepted.
Cheers,
Randy
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