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| | | Author: | DeLuca  | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 20:10 | | Subject: | Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 143 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| One bit of inconsistency that has been bothering me for a while, is that, though
part (64567) is classified as a "Minifig, Weapon", its modified variant, part
(92690), is listed in "Bar".
Though I do not care where these parts are reclassified, I do want
to see them in the same category.
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 20:42 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | One bit of inconsistency that has been bothering me for a while
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We have not yet begun the Part Reclassifications project. We are only working
on cleaning out the (Other) category. Please save any ideas you might have about
general part reclassifications until such time as we launch that project.
When we do you will see it in the forum and on the Catalog Roadmap page.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 20:58 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | One bit of inconsistency that has been bothering me for a while
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We have not yet begun the Part Reclassifications project. We are only working
on cleaning out the (Other) category. Please save any ideas you might have about
general part reclassifications until such time as we launch that project.
When we do you will see it in the forum and on the Catalog Roadmap page.
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Is the part reclassifications project going to affect many parts? My shop is
category based so if there is going to be major movement going on it would be
good to have some kind of prognosis so I can move stuff on time and make sure
there will not be any complications with some major reclassification update.
As for this bar and weapon example, I would prefer them to be just the way they
are, I am never confused about this and I will be if it changes because of the
confusion. People are excellent at memorising things, and as for findability
of parts you are not yet familiar with, whether they are both in "weapon" or
both in "bar" there will be an equal amount of hits and misses.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 21:23 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Is the part reclassifications project going to affect many parts?
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I have no idea. In fact, I haven't thought about it at all. Right now I'm
only focusing on cleaning out items in the (Other) category. You will have plenty
of notice if you keep an eye on the forum and Catalog Roadmap page.
To make an attempt at answering your question: this project will not launch until
we have clear written definitions for every single part category. At that time
any parts which do not fit their category definitions will be moved. Again,
I have no idea how long any of this will take or exactly how disruptive it will
be.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 21:33 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
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To make an attempt at answering your question: this project will not launch until
we have clear written definitions for every single part category. At that time
any parts which do not fit their category definitions will be moved. Again,
I have no idea how long any of this will take or exactly how disruptive it will
be.
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Hmm, that means some of the “(Other)” parts that are being categorized right
now might end up being moved again in a few weeks.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 09:50 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
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To make an attempt at answering your question: this project will not launch until
we have clear written definitions for every single part category. At that time
any parts which do not fit their category definitions will be moved. Again,
I have no idea how long any of this will take or exactly how disruptive it will
be.
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Hmm, that means some of the “(Other)” parts that are being categorized right
now might end up being moved again in a few weeks.
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I think Sylvain has a great point here.
Why are we trying to recategorize the (Other) category if the Catmins have not
come up with the clear definitions for the categories that parts will eventually
be subject to? It seems like we are jumping the gun a bit on the (Other) classification
project.
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 21:34 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Is the part reclassifications project going to affect many parts?
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I have no idea. In fact, I haven't thought about it at all. Right now I'm
only focusing on cleaning out items in the (Other) category. You will have plenty
of notice if you keep an eye on the forum and Catalog Roadmap page.
To make an attempt at answering your question: this project will not launch until
we have clear written definitions for every single part category. At that time
any parts which do not fit their category definitions will be moved. Again,
I have no idea how long any of this will take or exactly how disruptive it will
be.
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Ok, thanks for explaining. It is probably a good thing some things are revisited,
but - a bit ahead of time but better now than later - I very much like to cast
the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" vote here.
For buyers, a part being ambiguous/confusing will not be rid that nature when
it moves to another category, so there isn't always so much to gain. And
for me as a seller, the only items I struggle with and get confused about are
exactly the ones that have changed category. Even years later, I still remember
they used to be different and get confused about it. Everything else I'm
100% fine with. I think it's like learning a language: people have a great
capacity for learning and memorising even illogical things, no need to worry
about that. It's only when things are being changed the mistakes start to
come in.
I fully support fixing obvious inconsistencies and mistakes, of course. I just
hope it's not going to affect dozens of common parts. Not expecting any decisions
anytime soon, just wanted to have made this point in time 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 22:01 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | for me as a seller, the only items I struggle with and get confused about are
exactly the ones that have changed category.
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Yes, I understand that. The problems for newer members occur when established
members like you and I have memorized the catalog (or portions of it) and the
inconsistencies therein seem natural. Yet, newer members come in and see the
disorder in our system and find it troubling. We force those new members to
comply with old ways of doing things until they're established members.
Then they won't want things changed, of course, but newer members will complain
until they become acclimated to the system and then newer members complain, etc.,
etc., etc.
So why do newer members and even established members complain (as I have myself
many times)? Because, while the catalog is organized fairly well, there are
still things which can be made better.
I'd like to see a system that is clearly defined with easy-to-understand
rules and organized in the best ways possible. I know this will cause disruption
to some degree, but it is worth the disruption if future LEGO fans can visit
BrickLink and find a clean, neatly-organized, consistent catalog.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 08:38 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | for me as a seller, the only items I struggle with and get confused about are
exactly the ones that have changed category.
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Yes, I understand that. The problems for newer members occur when established
members like you and I have memorized the catalog (or portions of it) and the
inconsistencies therein seem natural. Yet, newer members come in and see the
disorder in our system and find it troubling. We force those new members to
comply with old ways of doing things until they're established members.
Then they won't want things changed, of course, but newer members will complain
until they become acclimated to the system and then newer members complain, etc.,
etc., etc.
So why do newer members and even established members complain (as I have myself
many times)? Because, while the catalog is organized fairly well, there are
still things which can be made better.
I'd like to see a system that is clearly defined with easy-to-understand
rules and organized in the best ways possible. I know this will cause disruption
to some degree, but it is worth the disruption if future LEGO fans can visit
BrickLink and find a clean, neatly-organized, consistent catalog.
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Yes, I do agree when it is about inconsistencies - of course I'm willing
to relearn those. I just hope that things will not be completely revamped when
they're not really in need of improvement.
For example, a part like this:
Has characteristics of both these parts depending on if you look at the outer
curve or at the inner curve:
Changing it from Arch to Mod is not exactly wrong, and I can imagine some would
even prefer it. If the catalog would be built up again from zero, I'd say
there's a 50/50 chance it would end up in either category. But changing it
would not change the fact that the part is ambiguous, so the gain will be none
or minimal. The fact that parts are sometimes in a place where you didn't
expect it, will always remain. The cost of the change on the other hand would
be quite big, for sellers like me - both in terms of memory and in terms of storage.
If there would be significant changes, it could change my storage alot and cause
a domino effect where, in an extreme case of changing even parts like these,
I'd have to redesign my entire store layout and hope that it will all still
fit.
That's what I meant with targeting the problem cases vs rebuilding the catalog,
moving around dozens of common parts. I'm not expecting it will be that level
of drastic, but just wanted to be sure to have made this point before the work
starts.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | chetzler | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 22:48 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | My shop Is category based so if there is going to be major movement going on it would be
good to have some kind of prognosis so I can move stuff on time and make sure
there will not be any complications with some major reclassification update.
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Same here, I'd imagine many seller's shops are organized this way. If
items are going to change categories there ought to be an easier way to see the
category history than the change log--something evident at a glance. Perhaps
a good idea would be an option to show legacy names, that way new members aren't
distracted by the additional info and established sellers with large inventories
don't experience disruptions.
For example:
By Default:
98100: Cone 2 x 2 truncated
With Legacy option turned on:
98100: Cone 2 x 2 truncated (formerly Brick, Round 2 x 2 truncated)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 23:06 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| [Teup] writes:
| | My shop is category based...
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[chetzler] writes:
| | Same here, I'd imagine many seller's shops are organized this way.
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This leads me to a suggestion for Bricklink. If the system provided a seller
only textbox on each lot entry, where the seller enters their own category system
(sort of like 'remarks' but keep 'remarks'and make a new one).
Then provide a link to the category page (using the sellers own category system).
This would take sometime for the seller to set up, but once done it would work
well for him/her. Bricklink could also monitor how sellers are setting up their
category systems and gain some insight into the best use system. This
would complement using this forum for category ideas and listening to only about
a dozen sellers on the forum.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 23:11 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
| | This leads me to a suggestion for Bricklink.
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If you have any suggestions which involve site functionality (meaning things
which need to have code written for them), then you will need to post it under
the Suggestions topic as a separate post.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | chetzler | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 18:01 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
| | This leads me to a suggestion for Bricklink.
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If you have any suggestions which involve site functionality (meaning things
which need to have code written for them), then you will need to post it under
the Suggestions topic as a separate post.
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I would contest this. Any significant changes to the catalog structure which
have the potential to disrupt store operations should be reviewed to assess the
effect of those changes. Consideration and mitigation of any undesriable effects
should take place without members having to suggest it. That may be beyond the
purview of a catalog admin, and if so it seems the catmins should be working
with the site developers.
The intention here is to remove the "other" category and while I don't necessarily
have a problems with that I also do not want to come home one day and find that
my meticulously organized inventory is now out-of-sorts because of a catalog
change.
Comments like "I have no idea" (in response to how many parts will be affected)
and "I have no idea...how disruptive it will be" from a catmin are somewhat alarming
to me. I appreciate the work you guys do but please do not make it more difficult
to operate a store here.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 18:10 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, chetzler writes:
| | I appreciate the work you guys do but please do not make it more difficult to operate a
store here.
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I am pretty sure that all of these discussions that are being held about long-term
goals for the catalog are to make it *easier* to operate a store here, not more
*difficult*. How about a little optimism? 
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 18:28 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, chetzler writes:
| | I appreciate the work you guys do but please do not make it more difficult to operate a
store here.
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I am pretty sure that all of these discussions that are being held about long-term
goals for the catalog are to make it *easier* to operate a store here, not more
*difficult*. How about a little optimism?
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Optimism is usually reserved for Friday afternoons.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | chetzler | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 18:55 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, chetzler writes:
| | I appreciate the work you guys do but please do not make it more difficult to operate a
store here.
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I am pretty sure that all of these discussions that are being held about long-term
goals for the catalog are to make it *easier* to operate a store here, not more
*difficult*. How about a little optimism?
Cheers,
Randy
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Just putting in my two cent's worth, along with my previous comment containing
a helpful, earnest suggestion. I'll be optimistic that it is heard and understood
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | chetzler | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 18:56 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, chetzler writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
| | This leads me to a suggestion for Bricklink.
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If you have any suggestions which involve site functionality (meaning things
which need to have code written for them), then you will need to post it under
the Suggestions topic as a separate post.
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I would contest this. Any significant changes to the catalog structure which
have the potential to disrupt store operations should be reviewed to assess the
effect of those changes. Consideration and mitigation of any undesriable effects
should take place without members having to suggest it. That may be beyond the
purview of a catalog admin, and if so it seems the catmins should be working
with the site developers.
The intention here is to remove the "other" category and while I don't necessarily
have a problems with that I also do not want to come home one day and find that
my meticulously organized inventory is now out-of-sorts because of a catalog
change.
Comments like "I have no idea" (in response to how many parts will be affected)
and "I have no idea...how disruptive it will be" from a catmin are somewhat alarming
to me. I appreciate the work you guys do but please do not make it more difficult
to operate a store here.
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We have good people working on this, and it will all be authorized by the site.
You have nothing to worry about.
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So noted, Russell.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 19:13 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, chetzler writes:
| | Comments like "I have no idea" (in response to how many parts will be affected)
and "I have no idea...how disruptive it will be" from a catmin are somewhat alarming
to me.
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I have two alternatives to telling the truth as I did I those statements.
1. I can lie and say that I'm sure it will be hardly disruptive at all.
2. I can ignore the person who asked the question.
I prefer to be honest and open about the times when I truly don't know something.
Alternatively, of course, we can leave the catalog exactly as it is and not
attempt to make improvements.
Considering those options, I hope you can find it in your heart to be patient
with us and accept a little uncertainty as we try to improve some things. I'm
definitely not going to go out of my way to disrupt anyone's business, but
disruptions occur anytime changes are made. I am actively thinking of ways to
mitigate those disruptions, such as this thread (and no, I cannot mass-email
sellers):
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1113001
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | chetzler | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 22:14 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, chetzler writes:
| | Comments like "I have no idea" (in response to how many parts will be affected)
and "I have no idea...how disruptive it will be" from a catmin are somewhat alarming
to me.
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I have two alternatives to telling the truth as I did I those statements.
1. I can lie and say that I'm sure it will be hardly disruptive at all.
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I was actually going to say that I did appreciate your frankness, it just came
across as a little too open from someone who has a lot of control over the catalog.
It sounded to me like the cart was ahead of the horse. If my perception was
inaccurate then I apologize for misunderstanding.
| | 2. I can ignore the person who asked the question.
I prefer to be honest and open about the times when I truly don't know something.
Alternatively, of course, we can leave the catalog exactly as it is and not
attempt to make improvements.
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As I said, I have no problems with the catalog changes being proposed. I just
do not want them to be disruptive: I believe this is an expectation that is both
reasonable and attainable. I appreciate that you are actively thinking about
those things and I hope you (and the site developer) will consider the suggestion
I made up-thread.
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Considering those options, I hope you can find it in your heart to be patient
with us and accept a little uncertainty as we try to improve some things. I'm
definitely not going to go out of my way to disrupt anyone's business, but
disruptions occur anytime changes are made. I am actively thinking of ways to
mitigate those disruptions, such as this thread (and no, I cannot mass-email
sellers):
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I am very patient, but I do get ill-tempered when I see that reasonable, valuable
member feedback is dismissed or ignored (I am not accusing you of this!) I understand
that these changes are aimed at improving the buyer experience but please also
put yourself in the shoes of sellers with thousands of lots and hundreds of thousands
of parts who are packing orders every day: imagine dealing with a diaspora where
100+ items suddenly move to 100 different categories and information about their
former home is difficult to find (how many members know how to find the change
log and would they even think to look there?)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | Nov 2, 2018 02:31 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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I am very patient, but I do get ill-tempered when I see that reasonable, valuable
member feedback is dismissed or ignored (I am not accusing you of this!) I understand
that these changes are aimed at improving the buyer experience but please also
put yourself in the shoes of sellers with thousands of lots and hundreds of thousands
of parts who are packing orders every day: imagine dealing with a diaspora where
100+ items suddenly move to 100 different categories and information about their
former home is difficult to find (how many members know how to find the change
log and would they even think to look there?)
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Being one of those large sellers... It will not disrupt anything on this end
in the slightest, as I categorize my parts in my inventory myself and I know
where almost every part is just by image alone.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 2, 2018 11:09 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
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I am very patient, but I do get ill-tempered when I see that reasonable, valuable
member feedback is dismissed or ignored (I am not accusing you of this!) I understand
that these changes are aimed at improving the buyer experience but please also
put yourself in the shoes of sellers with thousands of lots and hundreds of thousands
of parts who are packing orders every day: imagine dealing with a diaspora where
100+ items suddenly move to 100 different categories and information about their
former home is difficult to find (how many members know how to find the change
log and would they even think to look there?)
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Being one of those large sellers... It will not disrupt anything on this end
in the slightest, as I categorize my parts in my inventory myself and I know
where almost every part is just by image alone.
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I also know where everything is, but I think it's not the point. A pilot
can fly an aircraft with a broken auto pilot, but it doesn't mean auto pilot
doesn't need to be working. I think it's just good practise to have everything
correct and consistent. You never know when you need it. Maybe someone else has
to pick the order, or maybe you need to look at some stats to determine how to
reorganise storage, etc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 23:16 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| [Lauren_Luke] writes:
| | This leads me to a suggestion for Bricklink. If the system provided a seller
only textbox on each lot entry, where the seller enters their own category system
(sort of like 'remarks' but keep 'remarks'and make a new one).
Then provide a link to the category page (using the sellers own category system).
This would take sometime for the seller to set up, but once done it would work
well for him/her. Bricklink could also monitor how sellers are setting up their
category systems and gain some insight into the best use system. This
would complement using this forum for category ideas and listening to only about
a dozen sellers on the forum.
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Actually, seller should see their Inventory under their own category system,
and the Category on the Bricklink category system. Rollout of this idea
and then after new sellers would get the BL categories pre-populated for their
inventories. Any new catalog entries would be pre-populated for sellers'
category system to change at will, and catalog changes (re-category particularly)
only change in the BL category system but come up in red for the seller (a bit
like Storeroom settings.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | chetzler | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 22:24 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
| | [Lauren_Luke] writes:
| | This leads me to a suggestion for Bricklink. If the system provided a seller
only textbox on each lot entry, where the seller enters their own category system
(sort of like 'remarks' but keep 'remarks'and make a new one).
Then provide a link to the category page (using the sellers own category system).
This would take sometime for the seller to set up, but once done it would work
well for him/her. Bricklink could also monitor how sellers are setting up their
category systems and gain some insight into the best use system. This
would complement using this forum for category ideas and listening to only about
a dozen sellers on the forum.
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Actually, seller should see their Inventory under their own category system,
and the Category on the Bricklink category system. Rollout of this idea
and then after new sellers would get the BL categories pre-populated for their
inventories. Any new catalog entries would be pre-populated for sellers'
category system to change at will, and catalog changes (re-category particularly)
only change in the BL category system but come up in red for the seller (a bit
like Storeroom settings.
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I appreciate that you're approaching this in a user-customizable fashion,
but this seems a bit complicated. If everyone can institute their own internal
catalog scheme suddenly we have a Tower of Babel situation where everyone is
speaking a different language. For me it would be too much work to create my
own category structure--BrickLink already has one! I don't want to continually
reconcile my system with theirs. I just want to quickly see where a part used
to be if it has been reclassified. This has been a minor annoyance in the past
when a single part changes, but it would be very disruptive if 100+ were change
all at once.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 08:45 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, chetzler writes:
| | | | My shop Is category based so if there is going to be major movement going on it would be
good to have some kind of prognosis so I can move stuff on time and make sure
there will not be any complications with some major reclassification update.
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Same here, I'd imagine many seller's shops are organized this way. If
items are going to change categories there ought to be an easier way to see the
category history than the change log--something evident at a glance. Perhaps
a good idea would be an option to show legacy names, that way new members aren't
distracted by the additional info and established sellers with large inventories
don't experience disruptions.
For example:
By Default:
98100: Cone 2 x 2 truncated
With Legacy option turned on:
98100: Cone 2 x 2 truncated (formerly Brick, Round 2 x 2 truncated)
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And since we are talking about virtual items, it is of course entirely possible
for things to be in two separate systems at once. One classic catalog that the
existing users are used to, and one new classification system that works with
tags or whatever other new system seems like a good idea. That way, improvements
can be made without having to pay the cost of giving up what is good about the
old system. I have actually no idea if this is a good idea But just putting
it out there as a thought.
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| | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 21:52 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | One bit of inconsistency that has been bothering me for a while
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We have not yet begun the Part Reclassifications project. We are only working
on cleaning out the (Other) category. Please save any ideas you might have about
general part reclassifications until such time as we launch that project.
When we do you will see it in the forum and on the Catalog Roadmap page.
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OK. 👍
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| | | | | Author: | MidwestBrick | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 20:57 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | One bit of inconsistency that has been bothering me for a while, is that, though
part (64567) is classified as a "Minifig, Weapon", its modified variant, part
(92690), is listed in "Bar".
Though I do not care where these parts are reclassified, I do want
to see them in the same category.
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
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Fixed. What's next?
92690 Minifig Weapon, 3 sided Hollow Hammer
Parts: Minifig, Weapon
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 21:03 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, MidwestBrick writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | One bit of inconsistency that has been bothering me for a while, is that, though
part (64567) is classified as a "Minifig, Weapon", its modified variant, part
(92690), is listed in "Bar".
Though I do not care where these parts are reclassified, I do want
to see them in the same category.
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
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Fixed. What's next?
92690 Minifig Weapon, 3 sided Hollow Hammer
Parts: Minifig, Weapon
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As far as I can see this part is not a weapon, and I can't find it even once
used as a hollow hammer. It only appears in brick-built weapons where it features
alongside parts that also are not classified as weapons, such as barbs and chains.
Unlike the lightsaber, which really is a weapon the way it is, this part
is not a weapon.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 00:39 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | As far as I can see this part is not a weapon, and I can't find it even once
used as a hollow hammer. It only appears in brick-built weapons where it features
alongside parts that also are not classified as weapons, such as barbs and chains.
Unlike the lightsaber, which really is a weapon the way it is, this part
is not a weapon.
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To me it doesn't really matter which classification is used (bar or weapon)
just so long as both are in it. They share the same characteristics so it would
make sense to have them together in the same category.
Jim.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 08:58 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, TheBrickGuys writes:
| | | | As far as I can see this part is not a weapon, and I can't find it even once
used as a hollow hammer. It only appears in brick-built weapons where it features
alongside parts that also are not classified as weapons, such as barbs and chains.
Unlike the lightsaber, which really is a weapon the way it is, this part
is not a weapon.
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To me it doesn't really matter which classification is used (bar or weapon)
just so long as both are in it. They share the same characteristics so it would
make sense to have them together in the same category.
Jim.
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Yeah, that makes sense. I think if you look at the stats, by now, both are most
commonly used as bars. Besides, I feel like it's more elegant to view it
as a general part being applied for a specific purpose (such as lightsaber),
than to view it as a very specific part taken out of its context and used completely
differently - especially when that happens in the majority of the cases it is
being used.
And, the 4L Bar is called "Bar 4L (Lightsaber Blade / Wand)", so I'd say
the other one is something like "Bar 1L with top and bottom stud (Lightsaber
Hilt)"
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 09:25 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
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And, the 4L Bar is called "Bar 4L (Lightsaber Blade / Wand)", so I'd say
the other one is something like "Bar 1L with top and bottom stud (Lightsaber
Hilt)"
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Actually, it’s 1.6L long if you don’t count the studs. That is, between two
plates attached to the studs, there’s room for 4 plates.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 09:55 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Project Request "Bar" vs. "Weapon" | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | | | Fixed. What's next?
92690 Minifig Weapon, 3 sided Hollow Hammer
Parts: Minifig, Weapon
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As far as I can see this part is not a weapon, and I can't find it even once
used as a hollow hammer. It only appears in brick-built weapons where it features
alongside parts that also are not classified as weapons, such as barbs and chains.
Unlike the lightsaber, which really is a weapon the way it is, this part
is not a weapon.
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I think you missed the humor. 
Randy
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