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| | | Author: | WEYLAND_YUTANI  | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2018 17:05 | | Subject: | Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 186 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Can't find the difference between these two mold type variations:
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The only difference in the description of these two items is: without Center
Cut, but I can't find this difference. Can anyone shed some light on this
mold type variation? Thank you!
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| | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2018 17:20 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Help, WEYLAND_YUTANI writes:
| | Can't find the difference between these two mold type variations:
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The only difference in the description of these two items is: without Center
Cut, but I can't find this difference. Can anyone shed some light on this
mold type variation? Thank you!
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Frequently repeated question 
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1098313
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| | | | | Author: | WEYLAND_YUTANI | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2018 17:42 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Help, WEYLAND_YUTANI writes:
| | Can't find the difference between these two mold type variations:
and
The only difference in the description of these two items is: without Center
Cut, but I can't find this difference. Can anyone shed some light on this
mold type variation? Thank you!
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Can somebody upload a picture of both items where the Technic pins are seen from
the top down, so that the difference between the completely hollowed out Technic
pins and the slightly hollowed out Technic pins is clearly seen? Thanks. One
might also wanna change the related items description (catalog admin).
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| | | | | | | Author: | Pippysblocks | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2018 17:51 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I've only got part 47994 as sold the other part number but hope this helps
In Help, WEYLAND_YUTANI writes:
| | In Help, WEYLAND_YUTANI writes:
| | Can't find the difference between these two mold type variations:
and
The only difference in the description of these two items is: without Center
Cut, but I can't find this difference. Can anyone shed some light on this
mold type variation? Thank you!
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Can somebody upload a picture of both items where the Technic pins are seen from
the top down, so that the difference between the completely hollowed out Technic
pins and the slightly hollowed out Technic pins is clearly seen? Thanks. One
might also wanna change the related items description (catalog admin).
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Pippysblocks | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2018 17:55 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| And looking down on same part
In Help, Pippyblocks writes:
| | I've only got part 47994 as sold the other part number but hope this helps
In Help, WEYLAND_YUTANI writes:
| | In Help, WEYLAND_YUTANI writes:
| | Can't find the difference between these two mold type variations:
and
The only difference in the description of these two items is: without Center
Cut, but I can't find this difference. Can anyone shed some light on this
mold type variation? Thank you!
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Can somebody upload a picture of both items where the Technic pins are seen from
the top down, so that the difference between the completely hollowed out Technic
pins and the slightly hollowed out Technic pins is clearly seen? Thanks. One
might also wanna change the related items description (catalog admin).
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WEYLAND_YUTANI | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2018 18:10 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Yes it does help, I got the new mold type (19159) which has no center cut, so
now I can compare them.
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2018 18:34 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Help, WEYLAND_YUTANI writes:
| | In Help, WEYLAND_YUTANI writes:
| | Can't find the difference between these two mold type variations:
and
The only difference in the description of these two items is: without Center
Cut, but I can't find this difference. Can anyone shed some light on this
mold type variation? Thank you!
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Can somebody upload a picture of both items where the Technic pins are seen from
the top down, so that the difference between the completely hollowed out Technic
pins and the slightly hollowed out Technic pins is clearly seen? Thanks. One
might also wanna change the related items description (catalog admin).
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Did this fast, but you can see the Technic pin difference.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2018 18:43 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Help, randyf writes:
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Did this fast, but you can see the Technic pin difference.
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Great, thanks.
But that’s not a “Center Cut.”
A “Clip with Center Cut” is this:
Here, both parts have “Clips with Center Cut” 
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Pippysblocks | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2018 18:53 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| If you look at the first image I posted you will see there's a centre cut
in part to the opposite side of the pins, I'm not sure if this is the difference,
I don't have both to compare with anymore.
In Help, SylvainLS writes:
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Did this fast, but you can see the Technic pin difference.
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Great, thanks.
But that’s not a “Center Cut.”
A “Clip with Center Cut” is this:
Here, both parts have “Clips with Center Cut”
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2018 18:55 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Help, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Help, randyf writes:
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Did this fast, but you can see the Technic pin difference.
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Great, thanks.
But that’s not a “Center Cut.”
A “Clip with Center Cut” is this:
Here, both parts have “Clips with Center Cut”
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Yes, both parts have a clip with "center cut". That is why the descriptions are
very, very confusing and do not mesh with reality at all.
I meant to get the ball rolling on this a couple of months ago, but other things
took priority.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2018 22:20 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | It's very subtle, this difference. |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2018 22:34 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Help, mfav writes:
| | It's very subtle, this difference.
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It is, but you can do a lot of building techniques with 47994 that you can't
do with 19159.
Very nice image, BTW! 
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Sep 10, 2018 22:43 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Help, mfav writes:
| | It's very subtle, this difference.
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So 19159 might no accept a bar in those pins (easily), correct?
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 11, 2018 05:38 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Help, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Help, mfav writes:
| | It's very subtle, this difference.
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So 19159 might no accept a bar in those pins (easily), correct?
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Yes. A bar wouldn’t fit at all.
Some pins allow bars, and some official sets do use the possibility.
Newer variants not accepting bars while older variants did can be annoying 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Sep 11, 2018 07:34 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Help, mfav writes:
| | It's very subtle, this difference.
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Nice image!
Are the clips on the other side different also?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Sep 11, 2018 07:38 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Help, WoutR writes:
| | In Help, mfav writes:
| | It's very subtle, this difference.
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Nice image!
Are the clips on the other side different also?
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No.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Sep 11, 2018 07:40 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Help, randyf writes:
| | In Help, WoutR writes:
| | In Help, mfav writes:
| | It's very subtle, this difference.
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Nice image!
Are the clips on the other side different also?
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No.
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Thanks. The name suggests a difference like
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Sep 11, 2018 07:50 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Help, WoutR writes:
| | In Help, randyf writes:
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| | In Help, mfav writes:
| | It's very subtle, this difference.
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Nice image!
Are the clips on the other side different also?
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No.
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Thanks. The name suggests a difference like
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That's why we are having this whole conversation, because the descriptions
are wrong and have never described the true difference of the parts.
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | therobo | | Posted: | Sep 11, 2018 09:20 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Help, mfav writes:
| | It's very subtle, this difference.
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I'm really, really thinking of merging both parts...
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Sep 11, 2018 10:12 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, therobo writes:
| | In Help, mfav writes:
| | It's very subtle, this difference.
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I'm really, really thinking of merging both parts...
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In all cases where LEGO uses the parts, they are functionally identical. Although
the parts can be used for different kinds of builds in reality, I think merging
the two entries, adding an alternate item number and adding a catalog note would
be more than sufficient.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Pontus | | Posted: | Sep 11, 2018 12:24 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, therobo writes:
| | In Help, mfav writes:
| | It's very subtle, this difference.
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I'm really, really thinking of merging both parts...
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Noooo, please keep the parts as they are.
But please change the name to something better to help people tell them apart.
My suggestion is:
19159 Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips, pins with rectangularish
hole.
47994 Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips, pins with cirkular hole.
Now it will be easy to know that the differeces are on the pin side.
Thanks!
Pontus
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WEYLAND_YUTANI | | Posted: | Sep 11, 2018 14:46 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between mold types | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, therobo writes:
| | In Help, mfav writes:
| | It's very subtle, this difference.
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I'm really, really thinking of merging both parts...
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Please don't. Whether two almost identical parts should be merged as one
item or cataloged as two different items depends, as I understand it from countless
debates here in the discussion forum, on there functionality. If they function
the same then they should be regarded as one item but if they differ in functionality
(as is clearly the case here) they should have different entries in the catalog.
The fact that the description of the parts is inadequate up to now, which causes
a lot of confusion, doesn't justify a merge. As the picture of mfav clearly
shows; part 47994 can accept a bar in the Technic pins while part 19159 can't.
A far better approach in this case would be to change the description of both
items, where Pontus proposal for the changed names and the picture from mfav
should be a good starting point. Thanks.
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