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| | | Author: | lego.12vtrains  | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2018 04:16 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Part 73090b Red Boat Weight 2 x 6 x 2 - Bottom Sealed, Dimple on Ends (Alternate) (match ID 3)
* Change 2 Part Red 73090a Train Weight 2 x 6 x 2 - Bottom Openings, Center Seam on Ends {match ID 0 to 3}
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| | | | | Author: | lego.12vtrains | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2018 04:23 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 15 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| The set 7735 was produced between 1985 and 1990, the part 73090b appeared first
in sets in 1987, so in the first production runs (1985-1987) part 73090a was
included, while in the late production runs (1987-1990) part 73090b was included.
The inventory of set 7865 consider this alternative too.
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| | | | | | | Author: | lego.12vtrains | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2018 04:29 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| Here below 2 pictures of a second hand set (one weight can be clearly recognized
on the back of the locomotive).
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | lego.12vtrains | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2018 04:40 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| | Here below 2 pictures of another second hand set with part 73090b. |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | lego.12vtrains | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2018 04:44 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| | Here below the third example a second hand set with weight 73090b. |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2018 04:45 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, lego.12vtrains writes:
| | Here below 2 pictures of another second hand set with part 73090b.
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There is no need to post photos of used sets, since I give this evidence almost
no weight when considering whether to approve or reject change requests.
Unless, that is, you are the original owner of the used set, you have owned it
since it was brand new from a sealed box, and you are very confident that it
has not been modified or mixed with other sets.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2018 05:02 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| This is why we should consider the discussion on probabilistic method. I just
didn't have time to provide a complete answer.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1091380
But again, that is as reliable as other reliable methods (if used wisely: for
only rare parts, not on bricks,...) Indeed it can be even more reliable depending
on the case.
In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, lego.12vtrains writes:
| | Here below 2 pictures of another second hand set with part 73090b.
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There is no need to post photos of used sets, since I give this evidence almost
no weight when considering whether to approve or reject change requests.
Unless, that is, you are the original owner of the used set, you have owned it
since it was brand new from a sealed box, and you are very confident that it
has not been modified or mixed with other sets.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2018 05:31 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| Actually I know one MISB 7735 that is still for sale on Ebay. The problem is
that I have asked the seller special photos few times using various accounts.
If I request him another photo of the trian weights, he would easily suspect
something is wrong and then would likely call the police Interpol!
I know that his copy comes with motor type 4 (1989-90) and special curved conducting
rails 2931a (1988-90). We cannot read the Lego logos in any stud but we can see
that there is no difference in the way they appear in the photo. So they should
be of type 2. (photos 7-8)
I took many photos of my train weights.(photos 1-6) The two left ones are of
type 1 and the two right ones of type 2. Note that
1) In each photo, either I changed the angle of camera or the angle of my desk
lamp.
2) These are ALL photos I took. I changed zoomed them in and then resized them.
I think they are very convincing, specially the 6th one.
3) The Lego logo cannot be distinguished in my photos neither.
P.S. Did Dan considere a special prize (like the whole new Lego sets released
in one year) for the most technical (aka the most weird) support?
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | This is why we should consider the discussion on probabilistic method. I just
didn't have time to provide a complete answer.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1091380
But again, that is as reliable as other reliable methods (if used wisely: for
only rare parts, not on bricks,...) Indeed it can be even more reliable depending
on the case.
In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, lego.12vtrains writes:
| | Here below 2 pictures of another second hand set with part 73090b.
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There is no need to post photos of used sets, since I give this evidence almost
no weight when considering whether to approve or reject change requests.
Unless, that is, you are the original owner of the used set, you have owned it
since it was brand new from a sealed box, and you are very confident that it
has not been modified or mixed with other sets.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jun 14, 2018 04:46 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| Was this convincing?
Quiz: in each photo, what type the train weights are?
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Actually I know one MISB 7735 that is still for sale on Ebay. The problem is
that I have asked the seller special photos few times using various accounts.
If I request him another photo of the trian weights, he would easily suspect
something is wrong and then would likely call the police Interpol!
I know that his copy comes with motor type 4 (1989-90) and special curved conducting
rails 2931a (1988-90). We cannot read the Lego logos in any stud but we can see
that there is no difference in the way they appear in the photo. So they should
be of type 2. (photos 7-8)
I took many photos of my train weights.(photos 1-6) The two left ones are of
type 1 and the two right ones of type 2. Note that
1) In each photo, either I changed the angle of camera or the angle of my desk
lamp.
2) These are ALL photos I took. I changed zoomed them in and then resized them.
I think they are very convincing, specially the 6th one.
3) The Lego logo cannot be distinguished in my photos neither.
P.S. Did Dan considere a special prize (like the whole new Lego sets released
in one year) for the most technical (aka the most weird) support?
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | This is why we should consider the discussion on probabilistic method. I just
didn't have time to provide a complete answer.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1091380
But again, that is as reliable as other reliable methods (if used wisely: for
only rare parts, not on bricks,...) Indeed it can be even more reliable depending
on the case.
In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, lego.12vtrains writes:
| | Here below 2 pictures of another second hand set with part 73090b.
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There is no need to post photos of used sets, since I give this evidence almost
no weight when considering whether to approve or reject change requests.
Unless, that is, you are the original owner of the used set, you have owned it
since it was brand new from a sealed box, and you are very confident that it
has not been modified or mixed with other sets.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2018 05:55 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | This is why we should consider the discussion on probabilistic method.
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| | But again, that is as reliable as other reliable methods
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Probabilistic method is as reliable as finding a part variant in a sealed set
which has not been tampered with? I must disagree.
| | Indeed it can be even more reliable depending on the case.
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More reliable? My dear sir, probabilistic method is only educated guessing.
It proves nothing at all.
As an example, imagine that you flip a penny 500 million times and it comes up
heads every single time. According to how I understand your idea of probability,
this constitutes proof that the coin you've been flipping will only land
on one side.*
We both know that's wrong, though, and this coin-flipping experiment has
proven nothing in spite of its overwhelming numbers. I'm not criticizing
probability, for it is necessary enough that we all use it daily, but you're
overselling your case here.
*An example of the large numbers argument, over 100 in this case:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1088133
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| | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2018 04:52 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| Another special thanks to Morris for finding this variation for the sets 7735
and 7745.
To read the first "special thanks" from few minutes ago, see
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1093122
Three photos (1-3) of comparison between
73090a train weight type 1 (1980-86), and
73090b train weight type 2 (1987-94).
Note that one the first photo, we can see that for 73090 type 1, there is no
Lego logo molded inside half of the studs, in a zigzag way. But there are Lego
logos inside all studs for 73090a type 2.
Unfortunately, the location of these red train weights in the sealed box is not
good so my photos won't help to distinguish them. However I attach few of
them.
Photos 4-5 from one sealed copy.
Photos 6-8 from an opened 7735 provided to me by Bluxe. On the last photo, we
can see that inside some studs are black (they are located in a zigzag way) This
is because they don't have Lego logo and are flat, so type 1. If one can
hold train weight type 1 in hand, those studs reflect light in a different way
as in the last photo here.
In Inventories Requests, lego.12vtrains writes:
| | The set 7735 was produced between 1985 and 1990, the part 73090b appeared first
in sets in 1987, so in the first production runs (1985-1987) part 73090a was
included, while in the late production runs (1987-1990) part 73090b was included.
The inventory of set 7865 consider this alternative too.
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