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| | | Author: | el_gordo  | | Posted: | Mar 20, 2018 15:00 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6590-1 | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 4592c02 White Lever Small Base with Black Lever (Extra)
Comments from Submitter:
I seem to recall there was an extra red 3070b in this set, along with this lever. Is it consistent with LEGO extra-part policy at the time?
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Mar 20, 2018 15:16 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6590-1 | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, el_gordo writes:
That sounds a little vague. Are you absolutely sure the set included an extra
lever?
| | there was an extra red 3070b in this set. Is it consistent with LEGO extra-part policy at the time?
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As far as I'm aware, there was and is no official LEGO extra-part policy
(although I'm willing to admit that such a policy may exist).
Extras can vary by region and date of manufacture. Some occur with far greater
reliability than others, but none should be assumed to be included just because
they came in every other set released.
That's why extras should only be added to an inventory when a member has
found them in a brand new set.
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| | | | | | | Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 20, 2018 19:10 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6590-1 | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, el_gordo writes:
That sounds a little vague. Are you absolutely sure the set included an extra
lever?
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Absolutely sure, regarding the lever (which I kept as the car radio antenna from
the day I got the MISB set until last December, when it was taken off for display).
My set was never - ever - mixed.
I was admittedly vague regarding the aforementioned red tile - please see below.
| | | | there was an extra red 3070b in this set. Is it consistent with LEGO extra-part policy at the time?
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As far as I'm aware, there was and is no official LEGO extra-part policy
(although I'm willing to admit that such a policy may exist).
Extras can vary by region and date of manufacture. Some occur with far greater
reliability than others, but none should be assumed to be included just because
they came in every other set released.
That's why extras should only be added to an inventory when a member has
found them in a brand new set.
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That is precisely why I did not add the red tile. I vaguely remember one kept
inside the grey suitcase, but it wasn't there now. Did I take it out long
ago? Did it fell? Was it ever even there? Not sure, ergo - not added.
If anything, take my comment as a "heads up" to anyone about to engage in the
more or less improbable exercise of doing a repeat inventory of this 30-year-old
MISB set 
I notice however an inconsistency in your last paragraph: if there is never
a 100% reliable way to know which extras come in which set, and it is
an exercise in probability anyway, then it becomes a matter of faith to consider
any extra part. Which ones do you choose to validate/discard, then? 
For example, I submit to you that not a single set from my childhood, no matter
how small, came with a solitary lever in it; let's say the universe is 50
sets with levers. Thus (and feel free to correct my rusty statistical skills)
I'm fairly sure it's more unlikely to have been a simple coincidence
than to have been an "undeclared policy".
One can refute such claim rather easily - provide one MISB set from the
mid- to late-eighties with no extra levers. From a philosophical POV, it is enough
to deny my inference, and I'll gladly yield. And consider myself blessed
for all those levers I shouldn't have gotten 
Again, I maintain that I do not add what I am not sure of. This particular lever
DOES appear in my set as extra. The above consideration is not to be understood
as more than an invitation for reflection, regarding the inevitable uncertainty
around extras.
Pedro
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 03:39 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6590-1 | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, el_gordo writes:
| | I notice however an inconsistency in your last paragraph: if there is never
a 100% reliable way to know which extras come in which set, and it is
an exercise in probability anyway, then it becomes a matter of faith to consider
any extra part. Which ones do you choose to validate/discard, then?
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I'm not sure I would consider it an inconsistency. It's more of a general
misunderstanding of the purpose of the Extra Items section of an inventory.
This section exists to make it easier to deal with potentially-appearing
extras when parting out sets.
When extras are added to inventories only after being verified as appearing in
brand new sets, then I think the extras section is reliable enough to fulfill
its purpose. What I'd like to avoid are extras submitted because 49 sets
contained the extra so it is assumed the 50th must, too. I gathered this was
the approach you might be taking with the red 3070b, which is why I questioned
you on the white lever.
As for which extras are approved or not approved, I admit that there are few
ways to verify the veracity of these types of requests. I look at the totality
of the circumstances and make a decision.
| | For example, I submit to you that not a single set from my childhood, no matter
how small, came with a solitary lever in it
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This is a good observation, but a small sample size and likely only representative
of a single area of production. Nevertheless, I agree that some extras are nearly
guaranteed to appear in a set no matter when or where it was purchased. And
you finding extra levers in all of those new sets means that every set in which
you found an extra lever should have the extra listed as such in the inventory.
| | I do not add what I am not sure of.
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Thank you for that.
Your request has been approved.
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