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| | | Author: | PurpleDave  | | Posted: | Mar 18, 2018 21:52 | | Subject: | Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 320 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Implemented | |
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| Bricklink famously ground to a halt, twice, because it got hacked. The site
may have been restored to working condition, but a lot of us want nothing to
do with risking exposure of our financial accounts to anyone who may be lurking
behind the scenes. Sellers don't want to give Bricklink the level of control
required to accept payments through Bricklink. Bricklink has announced that
in about a month, they plan to scuttle offsite Paypal as a payment option, without
even taking any input from their core membership. The reason stated was that
new, usually one-time buyers, can't figure out where the payment button is
when they select offsite Paypal as a payment option, so they plan to basically
cut off any buyers and sellers who refuse to use any other form of payment, and
who especially want nothing to do with any onsite Paypal options.
Make offsite Paypal an opt-in payment option. Sellers obviously have to select
up front which payment options they will accept. Make all _buyers_ voluntarily
choose to see offsite Paypal as a payment option when checking out. If a seller
does not accept any other payment options, have them flagged as "does not ship
to you", just like if they were from another country and didn't have your
country enabled for shipping options. If a new buyer signs up, they should be
required to read an explanation of how offsite Paypal works, and confirm that
they want to be able to choose that as a payment option before they even see
it appear in lists.
But seriously, don't chase away a bunch of your regular customers in the
hope that you might be able to "grow your business" on the bank accounts of people
who just get sent here to buy a replacement part that LEGO Consumer Affairs can't
provide, or who are looking for just one retired set, and will never log in again
after they receive their shipment.
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| | | | | Author: | Dalika | | Posted: | Mar 18, 2018 23:05 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, PurpleDave writes:
| | Bricklink famously ground to a halt, twice, because it got hacked. The site
may have been restored to working condition, but a lot of us want nothing to
do with risking exposure of our financial accounts to anyone who may be lurking
behind the scenes. Sellers don't want to give Bricklink the level of control
required to accept payments through Bricklink. Bricklink has announced that
in about a month, they plan to scuttle offsite Paypal as a payment option, without
even taking any input from their core membership. The reason stated was that
new, usually one-time buyers, can't figure out where the payment button is
when they select offsite Paypal as a payment option, so they plan to basically
cut off any buyers and sellers who refuse to use any other form of payment, and
who especially want nothing to do with any onsite Paypal options.
Make offsite Paypal an opt-in payment option. Sellers obviously have to select
up front which payment options they will accept. Make all _buyers_ voluntarily
choose to see offsite Paypal as a payment option when checking out. If a seller
does not accept any other payment options, have them flagged as "does not ship
to you", just like if they were from another country and didn't have your
country enabled for shipping options. If a new buyer signs up, they should be
required to read an explanation of how offsite Paypal works, and confirm that
they want to be able to choose that as a payment option before they even see
it appear in lists.
But seriously, don't chase away a bunch of your regular customers in the
hope that you might be able to "grow your business" on the bank accounts of people
who just get sent here to buy a replacement part that LEGO Consumer Affairs can't
provide, or who are looking for just one retired set, and will never log in again
after they receive their shipment.
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Yes, please. I really hope they continue to offer Off-site as a payment option.
I really don't want to close my store next month. That said, I will not be
linking my PayPal account with BrickLink. Fingers crossed here, for sure.
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| | | | | Author: | alahaka | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 01:25 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I agree that flexible payment options should remain for both buyers and sellers
with regard to BrickLink. This among other considerations allows for a community-driven
village of small, large, national, and international selections and transactions
-- i.e. a more pleasant community. (For buyers with regard to sellers, I
acknowledge that I prefer PayPal.)
That said, the connection to PayPal I had (I just tried to look up its BrickLink
terminology and screwed up my connection ... so much for a confirmation step
to save changes ... we can't have that ... now the PayPal Marketplace is
my only option of two ... seconds ago I had three) ... ... anyway the connection
I had did not require much if anything beyond my email address, so I'm not
sure what the added risk is.
On to research whatever I just screwed up. For BrickLink administrators, confirming
changes is not a new concept. Arrgh.
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| | | | | Author: | alahaka | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 01:45 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| So whatever simpler arrangement I had set up with BrickLink and PayPal --
onsite payment or instant payment or whatever it was called other than Instant
Checkout -- is now gone, courtesy of my stupidity in trusting BrickLink to
have a confirmation step before removing it.
Now that that arrangement has been disconnected, it is no longer an option and
I'll have to revert to offsite payments short of signing up for the more
risky PayPal Marketplace agreement. Purposely tricky on BrickLink's part
in my view; obviously by design.
The PayPal Marketplace includes all this stuff below. Sounds more like PayPal's
and BrickLink's account than mine. No thank you.
- Allow PayPal to connect your account with BrickLink Corporation.
- In order for PayPal to work properly on your site, you authorize BrickLink
Corporation. to: Use PayPal to process my customers' payments; Initiate steps
to authorize and capture my customers' payments; Initiate a refund for a
specific transaction; Deposit the PayPal funds I’ve received through BrickLink
Corporation. directly into the bank account I have linked to my BrickLink Corporation
account; Automatically deduct their fee from each PayPal transaction prior to
the remaining balance settling to your PayPal account. The amount of this fee,
is subject to your agreement with BrickLink Corporation; Hold and release funds
on my behalf in accordance with BrickLink Corporation's policy; Search through
and access corresponding transaction data.
- You can revoke these permissions at any time from within your PayPal account
settings.
I didn't close out the PayPal Marketplace process, so I don't know what
else it may entail. Again it appears I'm just handing control of my account
to BrickLink and PayPal, along with whatever personal data and funds are placed
at risk.
Sad to see the site going in these Take-it-or-leave-it directions.
I was getting used to my previous PayPal arrangement which as noted before didn't
appear to be much of a risk. Time to rework my invoice layout again. Bummer.
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| | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 01:48 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, PurpleDave writes:
| | Bricklink famously ground to a halt, twice, because it got hacked. The site
may have been restored to working condition, but a lot of us want nothing to
do with risking exposure of our financial accounts to anyone who may be lurking
behind the scenes. Sellers don't want to give Bricklink the level of control
required to accept payments through Bricklink. Bricklink has announced that
in about a month, they plan to scuttle offsite Paypal as a payment option, without
even taking any input from their core membership. The reason stated was that
new, usually one-time buyers, can't figure out where the payment button is
when they select offsite Paypal as a payment option, so they plan to basically
cut off any buyers and sellers who refuse to use any other form of payment, and
who especially want nothing to do with any onsite Paypal options.
Make offsite Paypal an opt-in payment option. Sellers obviously have to select
up front which payment options they will accept. Make all _buyers_ voluntarily
choose to see offsite Paypal as a payment option when checking out. If a seller
does not accept any other payment options, have them flagged as "does not ship
to you", just like if they were from another country and didn't have your
country enabled for shipping options. If a new buyer signs up, they should be
required to read an explanation of how offsite Paypal works, and confirm that
they want to be able to choose that as a payment option before they even see
it appear in lists.
But seriously, don't chase away a bunch of your regular customers in the
hope that you might be able to "grow your business" on the bank accounts of people
who just get sent here to buy a replacement part that LEGO Consumer Affairs can't
provide, or who are looking for just one retired set, and will never log in again
after they receive their shipment.
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Couldn't agree more. If they really are having so many tickets about the
Pay button, refer those tickets to the store(s). I am sure there are far more
tickets coming in over issues with other matters on the site than this. For a
payment method which has worked flawlessly for nearly 7 years (5000 orders received
and 1000 placed) it does not seem logical nor to their benefit to stop it. It
could, however be money driven - if you use Paypal onsite Bricklink must be getting
something out of it where as offsite is outside of their earning capability'.
But then so is every other payment method.
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| | | | | Author: | chetzler | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 02:05 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I'm curious if BL will continue to offer the multitude other off-sites methods.
Anyone looked at what is still available? There's a bunch I've never
even heard of, and seriously, is a Western Union transfer a better option than
PayPal off-site?
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| | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 02:20 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, chetzler writes:
| | I'm curious if BL will continue to offer the multitude other off-sites methods.
Anyone looked at what is still available? There's a bunch I've never
even heard of, and seriously, is a Western Union transfer a better option than
PayPal off-site?
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Our Paypal account works for both Bricklink and our main company - there is absolutely
no way ever that we would allow Bricklink access to funds in that account or
details of transactions in that account - it is really none of their business.
I am sure that other people who have Paypal accounts and use them for Bricklink
also use those for other things and would not want any involvement with Bricklink
in their account.
This does not appear to be well thought through and even though it says you may
revoke the permissions you have given by signing up to this agreement what does
that mean - do you still have a paypal account for use on Bricklink or not? Is
it online or offline?
Are they going to go through 11,000 stores and remove the Paypal option from
their payment methods when the April date comes around? Stores will wake up to
a 'cannot receive orders as you have no payment methods available' (imagine
the tickets from that !!!!!) or are people going to set up other payment methods
but give Paypal offsite instructions in their invoices. How can they possibly
police this?
The mind boggles .....
All the clamour and yet no response from Bricklink. It is like they are saying
take-it or leave it (which is never a good idea in the best of environments.)
Such a real shame ........
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 05:56 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
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Are they going to go through 11,000 stores and remove the Paypal option from
their payment methods when the April date comes around?
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Well, no, they simply remove the old PayPal payment method from the main system
once, and then it will be as you say, people (like me) who haven't accepted
will automatically get an instruction to enable the new PayPal. That's what
I assume anyway.... then again, it's Bricklink... they can't even remove
multiple forum posts by one spammer at the same time... 
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 06:17 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
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Are they going to go through 11,000 stores and remove the Paypal option from
their payment methods when the April date comes around?
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Well, no, they simply remove the old PayPal payment method from the main system
once, and then it will be as you say, people (like me) who haven't accepted
will automatically get an instruction to enable the new PayPal. That's what
I assume anyway.... then again, it's Bricklink... they can't even remove
multiple forum posts by one spammer at the same time...
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I think they may have already done the first bit as I do not see a payment method
for Paypal or paypal offsite in the selectable payment methods options (drop
down). I really meant from the stores point of view. There are countless numbers
of stores who only accept Paypal - by disabling it as a payment method does that
mean the stores will have no payment methods? That will cause a moderate amount
of chaos. Not everyone reads the forum, by a long way and announcements such
as the one that was made will not have filtered through to all stores. So you
wake up the morning after and find that no one can check out of your store? Sounds
unreasonable even now, but who knows.
Really not sure how this decision was made or why - the ticket thing was a non-starter
- there is more to this than that. Instant checkout has still only mustered less
than 15% of stores - is still buggy. Onsite Paypal is still flawed as far as
a buyer having multiple Paypal addresses and yet here we are ...... ????????
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 12:17 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
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Are they going to go through 11,000 stores and remove the Paypal option from
their payment methods when the April date comes around?
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Well, no, they simply remove the old PayPal payment method from the main system
once, and then it will be as you say, people (like me) who haven't accepted
will automatically get an instruction to enable the new PayPal. That's what
I assume anyway.... then again, it's Bricklink... they can't even remove
multiple forum posts by one spammer at the same time...
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I think they may have already done the first bit as I do not see a payment method
for Paypal or paypal offsite in the selectable payment methods options (drop
down). I really meant from the stores point of view. There are countless numbers
of stores who only accept Paypal - by disabling it as a payment method does that
mean the stores will have no payment methods? That will cause a moderate amount
of chaos. Not everyone reads the forum, by a long way and announcements such
as the one that was made will not have filtered through to all stores. So you
wake up the morning after and find that no one can check out of your store? Sounds
unreasonable even now, but who knows.
Really not sure how this decision was made or why - the ticket thing was a non-starter
- there is more to this than that. Instant checkout has still only mustered less
than 15% of stores - is still buggy. Onsite Paypal is still flawed as far as
a buyer having multiple Paypal addresses and yet here we are ...... ????????
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I think I agree with your points, bad decision, but as for the "how" part, well,
I think the transition side of things is possible without too much chaos. I don't
remember exact examples but changes have been made in the past, we'll all
be briefed by email with some setup instructions I think. It was long ago but
I remember multiple currencies were first implemented at some point, and VAT,
and probably they came with instructions too.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | PurpleDave | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 17:33 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
| | Really not sure how this decision was made
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Dartboard.
Prodigious amounts of alcohol combined with world-record-setting span of sleep
deprivation.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 11:16 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, chetzler writes:
| | I'm curious if BL will continue to offer the multitude other off-sites methods.
Anyone looked at what is still available? There's a bunch I've never
even heard of, and seriously, is a Western Union transfer a better option than
PayPal off-site?
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New Stores can't add Offsite Payment Methods since 8th June 2017.
IBAN is an exception after completing the New Seller Verification process.
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| | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 03:59 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, PurpleDave writes:
| | Bricklink famously ground to a halt, twice, because it got hacked. The site
may have been restored to working condition, but a lot of us want nothing to
do with risking exposure of our financial accounts to anyone who may be lurking
behind the scenes. Sellers don't want to give Bricklink the level of control
required to accept payments through Bricklink. Bricklink has announced that
in about a month, they plan to scuttle offsite Paypal as a payment option, without
even taking any input from their core membership. The reason stated was that
new, usually one-time buyers, can't figure out where the payment button is
when they select offsite Paypal as a payment option, so they plan to basically
cut off any buyers and sellers who refuse to use any other form of payment, and
who especially want nothing to do with any onsite Paypal options.
Make offsite Paypal an opt-in payment option. Sellers obviously have to select
up front which payment options they will accept. Make all _buyers_ voluntarily
choose to see offsite Paypal as a payment option when checking out. If a seller
does not accept any other payment options, have them flagged as "does not ship
to you", just like if they were from another country and didn't have your
country enabled for shipping options. If a new buyer signs up, they should be
required to read an explanation of how offsite Paypal works, and confirm that
they want to be able to choose that as a payment option before they even see
it appear in lists.
But seriously, don't chase away a bunch of your regular customers in the
hope that you might be able to "grow your business" on the bank accounts of people
who just get sent here to buy a replacement part that LEGO Consumer Affairs can't
provide, or who are looking for just one retired set, and will never log in again
after they receive their shipment.
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Was there not a page in my account settings where I could select my payment methods?
And a filter that hides stores that do not accept my payment types?
Then all what needs to be done is make the default setting for accepting Offsite
Paypal "OFF". (I would not recommend the name "offsite Paypal", I think that
name only makes sense within the current discussion. )
Maybe it was this one... https://www.bricklink.com/storeSettings.new.asp
And yes, save offsite Paypal as an option.
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| | | | | | | Author: | PurpleDave | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 04:50 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, WoutR writes:
| | Was there not a page in my account settings where I could select my payment methods?
And a filter that hides stores that do not accept my payment types?
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I know stores can select which payment options to accept. I also know that when
looking up an item in the catalog, you can filter by any type of payment option.
Once you get to the Wanted List level, the only option I can find is "store
accepts Instant Checkout", which is worthless to me. There _used_ to be an option
there where you could select "store accepts X payment option" I believe, but
it's been geared more towards their vision of the future now. I have no
idea where you can set a global default for buyer payment options, but I'd
really love to know where that might be. Although, in a month, there might be
no point, as I'm not going to buy here if I can't do offsite payment.
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| | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 06:26 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, WoutR writes:
| | In Suggestions, PurpleDave writes:
| | Bricklink famously ground to a halt, twice, because it got hacked. The site
may have been restored to working condition, but a lot of us want nothing to
do with risking exposure of our financial accounts to anyone who may be lurking
behind the scenes. Sellers don't want to give Bricklink the level of control
required to accept payments through Bricklink. Bricklink has announced that
in about a month, they plan to scuttle offsite Paypal as a payment option, without
even taking any input from their core membership. The reason stated was that
new, usually one-time buyers, can't figure out where the payment button is
when they select offsite Paypal as a payment option, so they plan to basically
cut off any buyers and sellers who refuse to use any other form of payment, and
who especially want nothing to do with any onsite Paypal options.
Make offsite Paypal an opt-in payment option. Sellers obviously have to select
up front which payment options they will accept. Make all _buyers_ voluntarily
choose to see offsite Paypal as a payment option when checking out. If a seller
does not accept any other payment options, have them flagged as "does not ship
to you", just like if they were from another country and didn't have your
country enabled for shipping options. If a new buyer signs up, they should be
required to read an explanation of how offsite Paypal works, and confirm that
they want to be able to choose that as a payment option before they even see
it appear in lists.
But seriously, don't chase away a bunch of your regular customers in the
hope that you might be able to "grow your business" on the bank accounts of people
who just get sent here to buy a replacement part that LEGO Consumer Affairs can't
provide, or who are looking for just one retired set, and will never log in again
after they receive their shipment.
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Was there not a page in my account settings where I could select my payment methods?
And a filter that hides stores that do not accept my payment types?
Then all what needs to be done is make the default setting for accepting Offsite
Paypal "OFF". (I would not recommend the name "offsite Paypal", I think that
name only makes sense within the current discussion. )
Maybe it was this one... https://www.bricklink.com/storeSettings.new.asp
And yes, save offsite Paypal as an option.
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That page has been disabled for a while, however buyers can choose their acceptable
payment methods in the advanced search options and Paypal is still listed there.
Not sure about wanted lists cause I don't use that feature, but am sure I
have seen it mentioned somewhere.
Even the payment method element is flawed in design terms. We just had to cancel
an order from someone who chose to pay in euros via Bank Transfer. We only accept
UK pounds for bank transfers and that is/was stated in our terms but because
we aaccept euros (accepted currencies) they were allowed to choose that currency.
Currencies should be defined against payment methods. If you set up bank transfer
you should be able to say GBP only and have that as a viable payment methods.
Again it is not a complicated thing to do - you could have an all radio button
or individual buttons which would need to be marked by the stores for what they
will accept.
They have gone the other way - here are the currencies we accept and here are
ther payment methods you can use. ?????????
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 11:30 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, WoutR writes:
| | In Suggestions, PurpleDave writes:
| | Bricklink famously ground to a halt, twice, because it got hacked. The site
may have been restored to working condition, but a lot of us want nothing to
do with risking exposure of our financial accounts to anyone who may be lurking
behind the scenes. Sellers don't want to give Bricklink the level of control
required to accept payments through Bricklink. Bricklink has announced that
in about a month, they plan to scuttle offsite Paypal as a payment option, without
even taking any input from their core membership. The reason stated was that
new, usually one-time buyers, can't figure out where the payment button is
when they select offsite Paypal as a payment option, so they plan to basically
cut off any buyers and sellers who refuse to use any other form of payment, and
who especially want nothing to do with any onsite Paypal options.
Make offsite Paypal an opt-in payment option. Sellers obviously have to select
up front which payment options they will accept. Make all _buyers_ voluntarily
choose to see offsite Paypal as a payment option when checking out. If a seller
does not accept any other payment options, have them flagged as "does not ship
to you", just like if they were from another country and didn't have your
country enabled for shipping options. If a new buyer signs up, they should be
required to read an explanation of how offsite Paypal works, and confirm that
they want to be able to choose that as a payment option before they even see
it appear in lists.
But seriously, don't chase away a bunch of your regular customers in the
hope that you might be able to "grow your business" on the bank accounts of people
who just get sent here to buy a replacement part that LEGO Consumer Affairs can't
provide, or who are looking for just one retired set, and will never log in again
after they receive their shipment.
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Was there not a page in my account settings where I could select my payment methods?
And a filter that hides stores that do not accept my payment types?
Then all what needs to be done is make the default setting for accepting Offsite
Paypal "OFF". (I would not recommend the name "offsite Paypal", I think that
name only makes sense within the current discussion. )
Maybe it was this one... https://www.bricklink.com/storeSettings.new.asp
And yes, save offsite Paypal as an option.
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That page has been disabled for a while, however buyers can choose their acceptable
payment methods in the advanced search options and Paypal is still listed there.
Not sure about wanted lists cause I don't use that feature, but am sure I
have seen it mentioned somewhere.
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https://www.bricklink.com/wantedSettings.asp?viewFrom=P
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Even the payment method element is flawed in design terms. We just had to cancel
an order from someone who chose to pay in euros via Bank Transfer. We only accept
UK pounds for bank transfers and that is/was stated in our terms but because
we aaccept euros (accepted currencies) they were allowed to choose that currency.
Currencies should be defined against payment methods. If you set up bank transfer
you should be able to say GBP only and have that as a viable payment methods.
Again it is not a complicated thing to do - you could have an all radio button
or individual buttons which would need to be marked by the stores for what they
will accept.
They have gone the other way - here are the currencies we accept and here are
ther payment methods you can use. ?????????
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 11:59 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, WoutR writes:
| | In Suggestions, PurpleDave writes:
| | Bricklink famously ground to a halt, twice, because it got hacked. The site
may have been restored to working condition, but a lot of us want nothing to
do with risking exposure of our financial accounts to anyone who may be lurking
behind the scenes. Sellers don't want to give Bricklink the level of control
required to accept payments through Bricklink. Bricklink has announced that
in about a month, they plan to scuttle offsite Paypal as a payment option, without
even taking any input from their core membership. The reason stated was that
new, usually one-time buyers, can't figure out where the payment button is
when they select offsite Paypal as a payment option, so they plan to basically
cut off any buyers and sellers who refuse to use any other form of payment, and
who especially want nothing to do with any onsite Paypal options.
Make offsite Paypal an opt-in payment option. Sellers obviously have to select
up front which payment options they will accept. Make all _buyers_ voluntarily
choose to see offsite Paypal as a payment option when checking out. If a seller
does not accept any other payment options, have them flagged as "does not ship
to you", just like if they were from another country and didn't have your
country enabled for shipping options. If a new buyer signs up, they should be
required to read an explanation of how offsite Paypal works, and confirm that
they want to be able to choose that as a payment option before they even see
it appear in lists.
But seriously, don't chase away a bunch of your regular customers in the
hope that you might be able to "grow your business" on the bank accounts of people
who just get sent here to buy a replacement part that LEGO Consumer Affairs can't
provide, or who are looking for just one retired set, and will never log in again
after they receive their shipment.
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Was there not a page in my account settings where I could select my payment methods?
And a filter that hides stores that do not accept my payment types?
Then all what needs to be done is make the default setting for accepting Offsite
Paypal "OFF". (I would not recommend the name "offsite Paypal", I think that
name only makes sense within the current discussion. )
Maybe it was this one... https://www.bricklink.com/storeSettings.new.asp
And yes, save offsite Paypal as an option.
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That page has been disabled for a while, however buyers can choose their acceptable
payment methods in the advanced search options and Paypal is still listed there.
Not sure about wanted lists cause I don't use that feature, but am sure I
have seen it mentioned somewhere.
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https://www.bricklink.com/wantedSettings.asp?viewFrom=P
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Thanks for the link - never been there before as wanted lists are not required
for our buying.
| | | | Even the payment method element is flawed in design terms. We just had to cancel
an order from someone who chose to pay in euros via Bank Transfer. We only accept
UK pounds for bank transfers and that is/was stated in our terms but because
we aaccept euros (accepted currencies) they were allowed to choose that currency.
Currencies should be defined against payment methods. If you set up bank transfer
you should be able to say GBP only and have that as a viable payment methods.
Again it is not a complicated thing to do - you could have an all radio button
or individual buttons which would need to be marked by the stores for what they
will accept.
They have gone the other way - here are the currencies we accept and here are
ther payment methods you can use. ?????????
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| | | | | Author: | mikmo | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 07:45 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I am completely lost here.
If i already have PayPal onsite activated, do i have to sign up for PayPal marketplace
to continue to recieve PayPal payments, og will the current PayPal onsite method
continue to work also a month from now?
Mikael / MikMo
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| | | | | | | Author: | picabo | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 08:02 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mikmo writes:
| | I am completely lost here.
If i already have PayPal onsite activated, do i have to sign up for PayPal marketplace
to continue to recieve PayPal payments, og will the current PayPal onsite method
continue to work also a month from now?
Mikael / MikMo
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You need to go Settings--Store Settings.Payment methods. Connect to Marketplace.
Please note if you have a regular and micropayment account. Make sure you sign
in with the correct Paypal address for each. I inadvertently switched them (since
the Paypal account that came up to sign in was the one I most recently used).
I figured it out when a payment went to micropayments instead of the regular.
To fix just disconnect and reconnect signing in to the correct one. Payments
are now going to the correct accounts.
Just FYI.
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| | | | | | | Author: | alahaka | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 21:08 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| If you select PayPal Marketplace as picabo suggests, you will not be able to
revert back to your current Onsite PayPal method.
There was little information required to enable Onsite PayPal (whether complete
or incomplete as BrickLink information goes), however PayPal Marketplace in my
opinion is a more intrusive agreement.
I need to read this entire thread carefully, however I believe the answer to
your question is not available, unless BrickLink has clearly stated they will
push everyone wanting to use PayPal to the PayPal Marketplace as the only option.
In Suggestions, mikmo writes:
| | I am completely lost here.
If i already have PayPal onsite activated, do i have to sign up for PayPal marketplace
to continue to recieve PayPal payments, og will the current PayPal onsite method
continue to work also a month from now?
Mikael / MikMo
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | PurpleDave | | Posted: | Mar 20, 2018 04:38 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 99 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, matejo writes:
| | If you select PayPal Marketplace as picabo suggests, you will not be able to
revert back to your current Onsite PayPal method.
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Except they promised that you would be able to if you so choose. As yet, nobody
has reported having any success with this.
| | There was little information required to enable Onsite PayPal (whether complete
or incomplete as BrickLink information goes), however PayPal Marketplace in my
opinion is a more intrusive agreement.
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The fact that you _can't_ back out of it, even when promises were made that
you could, is proof enough that it's more intrusive to some degree. The
explanations for how Marketplace works show at least some of the extent to which
this is true.
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| | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 10:20 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, PurpleDave writes:
| | Bricklink famously ground to a halt, twice, because it got hacked. The site
may have been restored to working condition, but a lot of us want nothing to
do with risking exposure of our financial accounts to anyone who may be lurking
behind the scenes. Sellers don't want to give Bricklink the level of control
required to accept payments through Bricklink. Bricklink has announced that
in about a month, they plan to scuttle offsite Paypal as a payment option, without
even taking any input from their core membership. The reason stated was that
new, usually one-time buyers, can't figure out where the payment button is
when they select offsite Paypal as a payment option, so they plan to basically
cut off any buyers and sellers who refuse to use any other form of payment, and
who especially want nothing to do with any onsite Paypal options.
Make offsite Paypal an opt-in payment option. Sellers obviously have to select
up front which payment options they will accept. Make all _buyers_ voluntarily
choose to see offsite Paypal as a payment option when checking out. If a seller
does not accept any other payment options, have them flagged as "does not ship
to you", just like if they were from another country and didn't have your
country enabled for shipping options. If a new buyer signs up, they should be
required to read an explanation of how offsite Paypal works, and confirm that
they want to be able to choose that as a payment option before they even see
it appear in lists.
But seriously, don't chase away a bunch of your regular customers in the
hope that you might be able to "grow your business" on the bank accounts of people
who just get sent here to buy a replacement part that LEGO Consumer Affairs can't
provide, or who are looking for just one retired set, and will never log in again
after they receive their shipment.
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Could a seller put in his terms 'Please pay directly through the paypal site
to XXXXX.net (PayPal address)? That would take it out of bricklinks venue.
That could even be put into the listing.
About the hacks,I did mention that before. Bricklink has trouble getting features
to work why should the sellers feel confident that the same people can prevent
hacking?
John P
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| | | | | | | Author: | PurpleDave | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 17:30 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | Could a seller put in his terms 'Please pay directly through the paypal site
to XXXXX.net (PayPal address)? That would take it out of bricklinks venue.
That could even be put into the listing.
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Maybe. Then the problem is going through the thousands of sellers here and asking
them to add this to their terms, along with a viable means of payment that can
be selected as a placeholder.
| | About the hacks,I did mention that before. Bricklink has trouble getting features
to work why should the sellers feel confident that the same people can prevent
hacking?
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I've been throwing that out there as the primary reason why only offering
onsite payment is a dumb idea. I'd feel safer dropping my driver's license,
social security card, all credit/debit cards, and the account numbers and passwords
to all of my bank accounts into my mailbox for a day and hoping nobody noticed.
Bricklink and Paypal do not get to play on the same computer in my home, which
makes paying by any onsite payment option about as problematic as having a Chinese
space station land on your head (and I hear that may be a possibility for me
around the same time this fiasco is scheduled to burn down, fall over, and sink
into the swamp).
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 19:07 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, PurpleDave writes:
| | In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | Could a seller put in his terms 'Please pay directly through the paypal site
to XXXXX.net (PayPal address)? That would take it out of bricklinks venue.
That could even be put into the listing.
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Maybe. Then the problem is going through the thousands of sellers here and asking
them to add this to their terms, along with a viable means of payment that can
be selected as a placeholder.
| | About the hacks,I did mention that before. Bricklink has trouble getting features
to work why should the sellers feel confident that the same people can prevent
hacking?
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I've been throwing that out there as the primary reason why only offering
onsite payment is a dumb idea. I'd feel safer dropping my driver's license,
social security card, all credit/debit cards, and the account numbers and passwords
to all of my bank accounts into my mailbox for a day and hoping nobody noticed.
Bricklink and Paypal do not get to play on the same computer in my home, which
makes paying by any onsite payment option about as problematic as having a Chinese
space station land on your head (and I hear that may be a possibility for me
around the same time this fiasco is scheduled to burn down, fall over, and sink
into the swamp).
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It is a shame how stubborn Bricklink has become. It was a community at one time,
almost a family. Now it is just them.
John P
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| | | | | Author: | RecycledBrick | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 19:50 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 20:09 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RecycledBrick writes:
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Since I have offered Onsite payments since it started and Marketplaces since
it was started, I haven't noticed anything different or what is so bad about
each either. If there is something different or bad, what am I missing?
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What you missed is that you already agreed for BrickLink to:
— look into your PP transactions
— block payments and decide refunds.
BL didn’t make any statement about their intentions. (And, anyway, intentions
can change.)
BL didn’t either explain what will happen to those who refuse to agree to Marketplaces.
And if you watch Big B Bricks’ interview of Jaclyn ( https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1081977
), you’ll see automatic fees is strongly considered.
And I think you already agreed to that.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 20:39 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RecycledBrick writes:
| | | | What you missed is that you already agreed for BrickLink to:
— look into your PP transactions
— block payments and decide refunds.
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I didn't miss those. How is Bricklink going access my PayPal account? It
doesn't matter what agreement is made, how do they get into it? I am just
wondering.
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They don’t, and they can’t. BL has control over the BL-initiated transactions,
but only so they can request PP to delay the payment, subtract a fee, and/or
initiate a refund. They can’t reroute the transaction into their own account,
they can’t access (or even see) your non-BL transactions, it is solely more control
over the payment flow for BL-initiated PP transactions.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | PurpleDave | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 20:44 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RecycledBrick writes:
| | I didn't miss those. How is Bricklink going access my PayPal account? It
doesn't matter what agreement is made, how do they get into it? I am just
wondering.
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They won't be able to log into your account directly, from the way people
are reading it. They _will_ be able to contact Paypal and request a chargeback
which Paypal will probably cheerfully comply with without asking any questions
(and if you're really unlucky, like a guy in my LUG was, Paypal will charge
you a fee for "representing" you when they surrender like Jar-Jar). They _will_
be able to inform Paypal that X money should be diverted to Bricklink as the
owner of the "marketplace".
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 20:59 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RecycledBrick writes:
| | | | What you missed is that you already agreed for BrickLink to:
— look into your PP transactions
— block payments and decide refunds.
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I didn't miss those. How is Bricklink going access my PayPal account? It
doesn't matter what agreement is made, how do they get into it? I am just
wondering.
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I answered your last paragraph: “I haven't noticed anything different or
what is so bad about
each either. If there is something different or bad, what am I missing?”
You can’t broaden up a question then narrow it down again when the answer doesn’t
suit you.
| | | | ), you’ll see automatic fees is strongly considered.
And I think you already agreed to that
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It would probably be better since I never use the My BL page for anything, I
don't see the reminder to pay the fees for Bricklink. It might be easier
this way but then it would be something that Bricklink would have to set up with
PayPal and I don't see that happening anytime soon. You also can disconnect
your PayPal account at anytime so no one is forced into this.
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Sellers are forced into it when they can’t choose any other payment method than
PayPal Marketplaces.
Buyers are forced into it when they can’t choose any offsite payment method.
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| | | | | | | Author: | PurpleDave | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2018 20:28 | | Subject: | Re: Save Offsite Paypal! | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RecycledBrick writes:
| | If there is something different or bad, what am I missing?
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Did you ever sign on to a public wifi network and get a warning that even if
the site you're viewing is secure, someone could still be watching the whole
time via the network? Did you ever go into a seedy internet café and log into
all of your bank accounts from every computer in the place? No? Why not? Was
it because you didn't want to worry about what sort of malware might be lurking
in the background, logging all of your keystrokes? Right now Bricklink is the
internet café terminal, telling you that in order to actually use their services,
you have to use their computer to submit payment to them.
It doesn't matter that Bricklink doesn't have you store your login info
on their server. It's the idea of loading Bricklink on the computer that
I use to access financial accounts, after they were hacked so badly that the
entire site was shut down for days...on two separate occasions. Bricklink goes
on Computer A. Paypal goes on Computer B. If they can figure out how to manage
an Onsite Paypal payment by logging into Paypal on a different computer, I'm
fine with that. If they want me to initiate a popup window to process the payment
by clicking on a button on Bricklink, they need to go back to the drawing board.
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