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 Author: normann1974 View Messages Posted By normann1974
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Hello everyone

I'm very confused about the "Door 1x3x4" parts. According to BL, they exist
in two variants: the old 445/446 "closed" style and newer 58380/58381 "open"
style. Instead of a general discussion below, I'll stick to discussing the
white version because that's the one that's the source of my current
confusion.

BrickLink states that the old versions were used in 1971-1976 sets and that the
new versions were used in sets from 2006 until today.

I just bough a used set
 
Set No: 7890  Name: Ambulance
* 
7890-1 (Inv) Ambulance
114 Parts, 1 Minifig, 2006
Sets: Town: City: Hospital
and it had the old style doors. The set
was included in a very small private collection of sets - everything else was
Bionicle and Technic sets, and all sets were post-2000. There is no chance that
these doors were magically swapped with 70's versions in that collection,
and the doors were shiny as new, something 70's bricks most likely wouldn't
be.

So first of all, I claim that the old style doors were used in later sets, specifically
this set from 2011. Peeron agrees with me, and I have viewed all reviews on YouTube
that I could find - over half of them show the set with old style doors:

https://youtu.be/c3gYu6z42EI?t=1m23s
https://youtu.be/M3cnptvQeL8?t=18s
https://youtu.be/-D4yj8O5I-E?t=34s
https://youtu.be/A35psVpsY9w?t=9s
https://youtu.be/FDPWGm0dDS0?t=2m39s
https://youtu.be/LSqDzn4Ezes?t=1m53s
https://youtu.be/EQnbwYMnBgY?t=1m2s

Also, the second and third image in the gallery on this page show the old style
doors:

http://www.ibrickcity.com/lego-7890-ambulance/

Also, in the BL inventory logs, I can see that the old style doors were in the
inventory when it was created. The newer style doors were added as alternates
in 2008, and in 2015, the old style doors were deleted from the inventory. I
can't read the reason for these changes anywhere.

So where do I go from here? Will you accept an inventory request adding the old
doors as alternates again?

Also, I have found a third variant of these doors in my collection. I don't
know which set they come from because those doors were bought in a box of mixed
60's-70's bricks. The picture below shows the two different styles. All
doors are the "closed" version. The left door has been taken from my set 384
(year 1976), the right door from my 7890 set (year 2011). From what I can see,
they're completely identical. The middle door is different. There is no hole
by the handle, and the handle is longer and shaped differently.

Any thoughts on this? Is the middle door missing from the inventory or not considered
an official variant? If not, a note and a picture could be added on the old style
doors mentioning the difference in the mold.

/Jan
 


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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  Hello everyone

I'm very confused about the "Door 1x3x4" parts. According to BL, they exist
in two variants: the old 445/446 "closed" style and newer 58380/58381 "open"
style. Instead of a general discussion below, I'll stick to discussing the
white version because that's the one that's the source of my current
confusion.

BrickLink states that the old versions were used in 1971-1976 sets and that the
new versions were used in sets from 2006 until today.

I just bough a used set
 
Set No: 7890  Name: Ambulance
* 
7890-1 (Inv) Ambulance
114 Parts, 1 Minifig, 2006
Sets: Town: City: Hospital
and it had the old style doors. The set
was included in a very small private collection of sets - everything else was
Bionicle and Technic sets, and all sets were post-2000. There is no chance that
these doors were magically swapped with 70's versions in that collection,
and the doors were shiny as new, something 70's bricks most likely wouldn't
be.

So first of all, I claim that the old style doors were used in later sets, specifically
this set from 2011. Peeron agrees with me, and I have viewed all reviews on YouTube
that I could find - over half of them show the set with old style doors:

https://youtu.be/c3gYu6z42EI?t=1m23s
https://youtu.be/M3cnptvQeL8?t=18s
https://youtu.be/-D4yj8O5I-E?t=34s
https://youtu.be/A35psVpsY9w?t=9s
https://youtu.be/FDPWGm0dDS0?t=2m39s
https://youtu.be/LSqDzn4Ezes?t=1m53s
https://youtu.be/EQnbwYMnBgY?t=1m2s

Also, the second and third image in the gallery on this page show the old style
doors:

http://www.ibrickcity.com/lego-7890-ambulance/

Also, in the BL inventory logs, I can see that the old style doors were in the
inventory when it was created. The newer style doors were added as alternates
in 2008, and in 2015, the old style doors were deleted from the inventory. I
can't read the reason for these changes anywhere.

So where do I go from here? Will you accept an inventory request adding the old
doors as alternates again?

Yes. Please add them. The doors were removed from the inventory a couple of years
ago because they were considered unsubstantiated outliers of 30 years.

  Also, I have found a third variant of these doors in my collection. I don't
know which set they come from because those doors were bought in a box of mixed
60's-70's bricks. The picture below shows the two different styles. All
doors are the "closed" version. The left door has been taken from my set 384
(year 1976), the right door from my 7890 set (year 2011). From what I can see,
they're completely identical. The middle door is different. There is no hole
by the handle, and the handle is longer and shaped differently.

Any thoughts on this? Is the middle door missing from the inventory or not considered
an official variant? If not, a note and a picture could be added on the old style
doors mentioning the difference in the mold.

/Jan

Old variants are sometimes not in the catalog because no one noticed them before.
Or, it didn't seem important enough at the time to split the entry. If you
wish, you could try adding the early variant to the catalog.

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogAdd.asp?utm_content=subnav
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  Yes. Please add them. The doors were removed from the inventory a couple of years
ago because they were considered unsubstantiated outliers of 30 years.

Done.

  Old variants are sometimes not in the catalog because no one noticed them before.
Or, it didn't seem important enough at the time to split the entry. If you
wish, you could try adding the early variant to the catalog.

I'll try to do that, but I need a little help. This is my suggestion (for
the right side version):

Number: 446a
Name: Door 1 x 3 x 4 Right With Straight Handle
Weight: Unknown

Is this acceptable?

Also, should the existing old doors be recreated as 445b/446b with a name like
"With Bracket Handle" (or please come up with a better name)? If I should do
this, should the existing 445/446 parts then be renamed to contain "Undetermined
Handle Type" and marked for deletion? This seems to be what is done in other
cases like this.

/Jan
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  
  Yes. Please add them. The doors were removed from the inventory a couple of years
ago because they were considered unsubstantiated outliers of 30 years.

Done.

  Old variants are sometimes not in the catalog because no one noticed them before.
Or, it didn't seem important enough at the time to split the entry. If you
wish, you could try adding the early variant to the catalog.

I'll try to do that, but I need a little help. This is my suggestion (for
the right side version):

Number: 446a
Name: Door 1 x 3 x 4 Right With Straight Handle
Weight: Unknown

Is this acceptable?

Also, should the existing old doors be recreated as 445b/446b with a name like
"With Bracket Handle" (or please come up with a better name)? If I should do
this, should the existing 445/446 parts then be renamed to contain "Undetermined
Handle Type" and marked for deletion? This seems to be what is done in other
cases like this.

/Jan

if you can't weight the part put it to the same as the other mold. it's
bound to be more or less exactly the same.
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  So where do I go from here? Will you accept an inventory request adding the old
doors as alternates again?

Yes. Please add them. The doors were removed from the inventory a couple of years
ago because they were considered unsubstantiated outliers of 30 years.

I've looked a bit more into this issue. I have gone through all sets that
I have with these kinds of doors, and I found that the different handles can
be found on 1x3x3 and 1x5x4 doors as well.

All my sets have the new "bracketed/angled handle" style:

Set 147 (1976): white 1x5x4 doors
Set 384 (1976): white 1x3x4 doors
Set 6872 (1985): blue 1x3x2 doors
Set 3178 (2010): yellow 1x3x2 doors

I don't have any sets containing the older "straight handle" style, but I
have some parts that I found in a lot of used 60/70's bricks.

All doors that I have can be seen in the image below. All "straight handle" types
have been marked with a green circle.

Conclusion: LEGO apparently redesigned the handles at some time between 1972
and 1976 (the yellow 1x3x3 doors only come in two sets from 1972) to make them
easier to open using a finger nail.

This could be a quite a big project to add them to BL, but I'm up for it
if people will guide me and answer the questions that I have asked (see my other
replies in this thread).

/Jan
 
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Please add them as separate parts. Consider naming them thin handle/grip handle
instead of straight handle/bracket handle. If parts 801,802 and 825/826 are available
with both variants the name of the handles have to work together with horizontal
and vertical.
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In Catalog Requests, Pontus writes:
  Please add them as separate parts.

Just to be sure: Do you want me to add both types of handles as new parts, obsoleting
the old parts, or should I only add the "thin handle" version? Should they be
called "a" (and "b")?

  Consider naming them thin handle/grip handle instead of straight handle/bracket handle.

Will do.

   If parts 801,802 and 825/826 are available
with both variants the name of the handles have to work together with horizontal
and vertical.

I don't know about those parts because I don't have them, so I won't
be doing any any changes for those parts. Maybe someone will read this thread
and have proof that they need to change also, but they will have to speak up.


/Jan
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Pontus writes:
  Please add them as separate parts.

Just to be sure: Do you want me to add both types of handles as new parts, obsoleting
the old parts, or should I only add the "thin handle" version? Should they be
called "a" (and "b")?

Start with the first one (a). If that one gets accepted, proceed with the next
one. Comparison photos are always helpful.

  
  Consider naming them thin handle/grip handle instead of straight handle/bracket handle.

Will do.

   If parts 801,802 and 825/826 are available
with both variants the name of the handles have to work together with horizontal
and vertical.

I don't know about those parts because I don't have them, so I won't
be doing any any changes for those parts. Maybe someone will read this thread
and have proof that they need to change also, but they will have to speak up.


/Jan
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In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Pontus writes:
  Please add them as separate parts.

Just to be sure: Do you want me to add both types of handles as new parts, obsoleting
the old parts, or should I only add the "thin handle" version? Should they be
called "a" (and "b")?

Start with the first one (a). If that one gets accepted, proceed with the next
one. Comparison photos are always helpful.

Ok, I'll just add two new parts for one set of "thin handle" doors and see
what happens to them.

BTW - should the primary image of the doors show both the outside and inside?
Or should I upload a secondary picture showing the inside? Or should the inside
just be shown in a comparison image? I think the inside is important because
it's easier to notice the difference between the two types of handles by
the hole being there or missing.

Comparison photos will be made. They are just uploaded as a second picture, right?
Are comparison images non-color specific or do I need an comparison image for
each color?

/Jan
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Pontus writes:
  Please add them as separate parts.

Just to be sure: Do you want me to add both types of handles as new parts, obsoleting
the old parts, or should I only add the "thin handle" version? Should they be
called "a" (and "b")?

Start with the first one (a). If that one gets accepted, proceed with the next
one. Comparison photos are always helpful.

Ok, I'll just add two new parts for one set of "thin handle" doors and see
what happens to them.

BTW - should the primary image of the doors show both the outside and inside?
Or should I upload a secondary picture showing the inside?

For early variants such as these, it doesn't hurt to show both the front
and back in one image. Then users can see it's an old version even when viewing
an 80 x 60 thumbnail.

  Or should the inside
just be shown in a comparison image? I think the inside is important because
it's easier to notice the difference between the two types of handles by
the hole being there or missing.

Comparison photos will be made. They are just uploaded as a second picture, right?
Are comparison images non-color specific or do I need an comparison image for
each color?

/Jan

Upload one comparison image as N/A color and we'll handle the exact configuration.

Thanks for your efforts!

Russell
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In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Pontus writes:
  Please add them as separate parts.

Just to be sure: Do you want me to add both types of handles as new parts, obsoleting
the old parts, or should I only add the "thin handle" version? Should they be
called "a" (and "b")?

Start with the first one (a). If that one gets accepted, proceed with the next
one. Comparison photos are always helpful.

Ok, I'll just add two new parts for one set of "thin handle" doors and see
what happens to them.

BTW - should the primary image of the doors show both the outside and inside?
Or should I upload a secondary picture showing the inside?

For early variants such as these, it doesn't hurt to show both the front
and back in one image. Then users can see it's an old version even when viewing
an 80 x 60 thumbnail.

  Or should the inside
just be shown in a comparison image? I think the inside is important because
it's easier to notice the difference between the two types of handles by
the hole being there or missing.

Comparison photos will be made. They are just uploaded as a second picture, right?
Are comparison images non-color specific or do I need an comparison image for
each color?

/Jan

Upload one comparison image as N/A color and we'll handle the exact configuration.

Thanks for your efforts!

Russell

BTW - this project is not dead. All my "a" doors have been accepted, but I'm
still waiting (2½ weeks) for my 445b/446b parts to be either accepted or rejected.
Until that happens, I can't move on.

/Jan
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Pontus writes:
  Please add them as separate parts.

Just to be sure: Do you want me to add both types of handles as new parts, obsoleting
the old parts, or should I only add the "thin handle" version? Should they be
called "a" (and "b")?

Start with the first one (a). If that one gets accepted, proceed with the next
one. Comparison photos are always helpful.

Ok, I'll just add two new parts for one set of "thin handle" doors and see
what happens to them.

BTW - should the primary image of the doors show both the outside and inside?
Or should I upload a secondary picture showing the inside?

For early variants such as these, it doesn't hurt to show both the front
and back in one image. Then users can see it's an old version even when viewing
an 80 x 60 thumbnail.

  Or should the inside
just be shown in a comparison image? I think the inside is important because
it's easier to notice the difference between the two types of handles by
the hole being there or missing.

Comparison photos will be made. They are just uploaded as a second picture, right?
Are comparison images non-color specific or do I need an comparison image for
each color?

/Jan

Upload one comparison image as N/A color and we'll handle the exact configuration.

Thanks for your efforts!

Russell

BTW - this project is not dead. All my "a" doors have been accepted, but I'm
still waiting (2½ weeks) for my 445b/446b parts to be either accepted or rejected.
Until that happens, I can't move on.

/Jan

At this point I consider this project dead. The addition of the "b" doors for
one type of doors to replace the old entry (which covered both variants and which
I wanted to convert into "undetermined handle type") has been left in "pending"
state for 2½ months now. Without them either being accepted or rejected, I can't
move forward.

/Jan
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:

  At this point I consider this project dead. The addition of the "b" doors for
one type of doors to replace the old entry (which covered both variants and which
I wanted to convert into "undetermined handle type") has been left in "pending"
state for 2½ months now. Without them either being accepted or rejected, I can't
move forward.

/Jan

Of the 8 "a" entries that were accepted, not a single door has sold in two months.
None have been added to inventories either. A handful of sellers have listed
some, though.

With that very small interest in this variant, it will take much longer for a
"b" variant to be approved. You could add alternate images that compare both
types to the undetermined entries for now.
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In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:

  At this point I consider this project dead. The addition of the "b" doors for
one type of doors to replace the old entry (which covered both variants and which
I wanted to convert into "undetermined handle type") has been left in "pending"
state for 2½ months now. Without them either being accepted or rejected, I can't
move forward.

/Jan

Of the 8 "a" entries that were accepted, not a single door has sold in two months.
None have been added to inventories either. A handful of sellers have listed
some, though.

With that very small interest in this variant, it will take much longer for a
"b" variant to be approved. You could add alternate images that compare both
types to the undetermined entries for now.

But there are currently only two variants for each type of door: The new "a"
variant covering the thin handle and the old one that previously covered both
variants and probably still do will until/if the "b" type is approved. So what
should the comparison image show? These images usually show all variants with
the part numbers in text below. And if the "b" types are suddenly accepted, the
comparison images will be wrong. Either way, IMHO, any part numbers on comparison
images will not be meaningful except for the "a" variant.

/Jan
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In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:

  At this point I consider this project dead. The addition of the "b" doors for
one type of doors to replace the old entry (which covered both variants and which
I wanted to convert into "undetermined handle type") has been left in "pending"
state for 2½ months now. Without them either being accepted or rejected, I can't
move forward.

/Jan

Of the 8 "a" entries that were accepted, not a single door has sold in two months.
None have been added to inventories either. A handful of sellers have listed
some, though.

With that very small interest in this variant, it will take much longer for a
"b" variant to be approved. You could add alternate images that compare both
types to the undetermined entries for now.

Also, the reason for the new variants not being in any inventories yet is that

1) I don't have any old sets that I can check

2) The old variant is still unchanged, and there is no way of users to see that
they are "undetermined" at this time. Why should people discover that there are
multiple variants? It doesn't show in the inventories, only when you open
the specific parts. No one questioned the variants for many years until I came
along and claimed there were two types. Until the old versions are renamed to
"undetermined type" (which will require that the "b" variants are accepted first
so that the undetermined entries in the inventories can be changed to what they
actually are), nothing will happen in inventories unless someone knows someone
who has a lot of old sealed sets and ask that person to dig into this.

/Jan
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normann1974 (258)

Location:  Denmark
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It seems that my "b" doors were finally rejected after about 2 months of waiting
time. For the reasons stated in my previous answer, I can't make any more
progress on this project. I'm not sure that the addition of the "clip handle"
style doors actually changed much, other than making a lot of old inventories
questionable and enabling sellers to sell "thin handle" type doors.

Someone else will hopefully pick up this project and implement the rest of the
changes
when BL at some point hopefully sees the point of making the old doors "undetermined
handle type" and adding specific "clip handle" door types so that inventories
can reflect that BL does not know what actually were in the old sets and so that
buyers know what to expect when ordering doors and sets containing them.

/Jan
 Author: normann1974 View Messages Posted By normann1974
 Posted: Feb 23, 2018 02:10
 Subject: Re: Door 1x3x4 - three versions
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Location:  Denmark
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  
  
  So where do I go from here? Will you accept an inventory request adding the old
doors as alternates again?

Yes. Please add them. The doors were removed from the inventory a couple of years
ago because they were considered unsubstantiated outliers of 30 years.


445a and 446a have now been added and they've been accepted. I also added
a left/right pair match that is pending.

I now would like to add the new parts into the "similar mold" relationship with
445/446 and 58381/58380 but I don't know how to do it. I'm just presented
with a form that allows me to create a "new match" or "existing match number".
It suspect I need to edit an existing relationship thereby adding the new parts
but I don't know what to input in the form. I can't find any help page
describing what to do. Any advice?

/Jan
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 Posted: Feb 23, 2018 02:17
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  
  
  So where do I go from here? Will you accept an inventory request adding the old
doors as alternates again?

Yes. Please add them. The doors were removed from the inventory a couple of years
ago because they were considered unsubstantiated outliers of 30 years.


445a and 446a have now been added and they've been accepted. I also added
a left/right pair match that is pending.

I now would like to add the new parts into the "similar mold" relationship with
445/446 and 58381/58380 but I don't know how to do it. I'm just presented
with a form that allows me to create a "new match" or "existing match number".
It suspect I need to edit an existing relationship thereby adding the new parts
but I don't know what to input in the form. I can't find any help page
describing what to do. Any advice?

/Jan

Congratulations!

For 445/58381 use match #1193

For 446/58380 use match #1194

I found these match relationships by going to this page:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=4

and using Control-F to find the part numbers.
 Author: normann1974 View Messages Posted By normann1974
 Posted: Feb 23, 2018 02:33
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normann1974 (258)

Location:  Denmark
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Store: Normann1974
In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  
  
  So where do I go from here? Will you accept an inventory request adding the old
doors as alternates again?

Yes. Please add them. The doors were removed from the inventory a couple of years
ago because they were considered unsubstantiated outliers of 30 years.


445a and 446a have now been added and they've been accepted. I also added
a left/right pair match that is pending.

I now would like to add the new parts into the "similar mold" relationship with
445/446 and 58381/58380 but I don't know how to do it. I'm just presented
with a form that allows me to create a "new match" or "existing match number".
It suspect I need to edit an existing relationship thereby adding the new parts
but I don't know what to input in the form. I can't find any help page
describing what to do. Any advice?

/Jan

Congratulations!

For 445/58381 use match #1193

For 446/58380 use match #1194

I found these match relationships by going to this page:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRelList.asp?relID=4

and using Control-F to find the part numbers.

I would never have figured out to find the match numbers on that page, so thanks!

So, when editing an "existing match", do I need to repeat the existing part numbers
in the relationship in the form (i.e. write 445, 58381 and 445a) or just add
the new (445a)? Again, I can't find that information anywhere. More helpful
text on the form page or a detailed help page is really needed.

/Jan
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 Posted: Feb 23, 2018 03:26
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Location:  Netherlands, Overijssel
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  I would never have figured out to find the match numbers on that page, so thanks!

So, when editing an "existing match", do I need to repeat the existing part numbers
in the relationship in the form (i.e. write 445, 58381 and 445a) or just add
the new (445a)? Again, I can't find that information anywhere. More helpful
text on the form page or a detailed help page is really needed.

/Jan

For an existing match you only have to add the new item, in this case 445a.
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Location:  Denmark
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Hello again

Now the big question is: Do parts
 
Part No: 801  Name: Door 1 x 3 x 3 Left with Window and Vertical Handle
* 
801 Door 1 x 3 x 3 Left with Window and Vertical Handle
Parts: Door
and
 
Part No: 802  Name: Door 1 x 3 x 3 Right with Window and Vertical Handle
* 
802 Door 1 x 3 x 3 Right with Window and Vertical Handle
Parts: Door
exist with both types of
handles? I can't find any visual proof of that when googling for images of
models containing those doors, and I have only these part in red with the old
style handles in my collection. Until proof shows up that the parts exists with
"grip handle", I think it's confusing that the parts' images shows both
types of handles. The first pictures are rendered 3D images showing the "grip
handle", while the secondary pictures are shaded 3D images showing the "thin
handle". Either the images should both be changed to only show the thin handle,
or a note should be made on the parts. Could someone decide on that and either
implement it or tell me what I should do about it?

/Jan