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| | | Author: | cptnruthless  | | Posted: | Sep 21, 2017 23:03 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 5891-1 | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 3 Part 60592c01 Tan Window 1 x 2 x 2 Flat Front with Trans-Clear Glass (Counterpart)
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2017 12:24 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5891-1 | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, admin_russell writes:
| | Feel free to overwrite any 80 x 60 image, since they have effectively become obsolete.
Russell
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Is this why I have been having thousands of the images I have contributed to
BrickLink over the years suddenly replaced in large swaths by "Admin"? Without
even having one person contact me to tell me that it was going to be done or
how it would effect me given the hundreds upon hundreds of hours I have put into
this site over the years? That sure takes some bravado! I could understand the
small images that were not yet upgraded by me to a better format, but I am even
having quality images replaced. Is this part of the "management change" that
drove Jennifer to quit her Inventory Admin role out of the blue? Is this the
future of BrickLink? Screw all you volunteers who built this site into what it
is, we can do better without you?
Consider me pissed and annoyed,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2017 13:34 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5891-1 | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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BrickLink
ID CardAdmin_Russell
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Location:  USA, California |
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Contact |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, admin_russell writes:
| | Feel free to overwrite any 80 x 60 image, since they have effectively become obsolete.
Russell
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Is this why I have been having thousands of the images I have contributed to
BrickLink over the years suddenly replaced in large swaths by "Admin"? Without
even having one person contact me to tell me that it was going to be done or
how it would effect me given the hundreds upon hundreds of hours I have put into
this site over the years? That sure takes some bravado! I could understand the
small images that were not yet upgraded by me to a better format, but I am even
having quality images replaced. Is this part of the "management change" that
drove Jennifer to quit her Inventory Admin role out of the blue? Is this the
future of BrickLink? Screw all you volunteers who built this site into what it
is, we can do better without you?
Consider me pissed and annoyed,
Randy
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I will be posting in the next couple of weeks regarding the image upgrade project
and what this will mean for contributors. Part of the plan is to contact major
contributors like yourself and have you help us come up with a really good solution
for the site's images.
Most of what is being done right now is copying the large image into the small
image slot. A vast majority of the catalog's parts only come in one color,
and we are working with these first.
Any image that is submitted (as I referred to above) by a contributor is subject
to catalog approval, which is primarily being left up to the discretion of the
CA's, as it has been in the past. They have the option of saving any current
image they feel has value. However, saved images may not be visible in the current
catalog viewer and on older pages of the site.
If you have complaints about any specific images that have been replaced by "Admin"
please let me know via the admin page, or even here in the forum. I have no intention
of snubbing any contributor, and if anything, this image project has made me
aware of how much this site depends on the community. We are very much in need
of larger images everywhere in the catalog and we do appreciate any contributions
that are made.
Russell
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2017 15:03 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5891-1 | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, admin_russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, admin_russell writes:
| | Feel free to overwrite any 80 x 60 image, since they have effectively become obsolete.
Russell
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Is this why I have been having thousands of the images I have contributed to
BrickLink over the years suddenly replaced in large swaths by "Admin"? Without
even having one person contact me to tell me that it was going to be done or
how it would effect me given the hundreds upon hundreds of hours I have put into
this site over the years? That sure takes some bravado! I could understand the
small images that were not yet upgraded by me to a better format, but I am even
having quality images replaced. Is this part of the "management change" that
drove Jennifer to quit her Inventory Admin role out of the blue? Is this the
future of BrickLink? Screw all you volunteers who built this site into what it
is, we can do better without you?
Consider me pissed and annoyed,
Randy
|
I will be posting in the next couple of weeks regarding the image upgrade project
and what this will mean for contributors. Part of the plan is to contact major
contributors like yourself and have you help us come up with a really good solution
for the site's images.
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I have been doing an image upgrade project for the site for the last 1.5 years
in my free time. I think things are going well, and modern inventories are looking
better and better all the time in my opinion. It would have been nice to know
a long time ago that all my work was for nought if there was an official plan
to make my and all other contributors' work meaningless in the near future.
You think contacting me *after* I am already upset, on edge, and had tons of
work thrown away is going to make me want to help you to come up with yet another
plan to get rid of the rest of the work I have spent countless hours on? Really?!?
Wow.
| | Most of what is being done right now is copying the large image into the small
image slot. A vast majority of the catalog's parts only come in one color,
and we are working with these first.
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That is a complete lie. The entire Bionicle and Hero Factory categories were
almost completely overwritten with "Admin" images in one fell swoop. I had hundreds
upon hundreds of images in these categories wiped out in the blink of a CPU cycle
without even a nod to the work I had put in over the years. Like I said, the
time for contacting me was before things got underway, *not* after. But what
do I expect? That is the way of BrickLink these days: uncommunicative until users
and volunteers get pissed off at changes being made behind closed doors away
from the community.
| | Any image that is submitted (as I referred to above) by a contributor is subject
to catalog approval, which is primarily being left up to the discretion of the
CA's, as it has been in the past. They have the option of saving any current
image they feel has value. However, saved images may not be visible in the current
catalog viewer and on older pages of the site.
If you have complaints about any specific images that have been replaced by "Admin"
please let me know via the admin page, or even here in the forum. I have no intention of snubbing any contributor,
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Us contributors have already been snubbed. It is too late for platitudes.
| | and if anything, this image project has made me aware of how much this site depends on the community.
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Come on, Russell. You have been here a long time, and I know you have "been aware"
since you've been here about how much this site depends on the community.
That is how Dan built it. Does being hired by BrickLink somehow blind you to
this and make you so easily forget what you championed in the past?
| | We are very much in need of larger images everywhere in the catalog and we do appreciate any contributions that are made.
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If BrickLink keeps going at the rate it is going by forcing out its top contributors,
BrickLink won't have much of a community of volunteers left to do anything
for it. The extremely slow rate of new inventories being submitted for approval
to the catalog over the last two years as well as the loss of many major catalog
contributors to other sites is already indicative of this trend.
I love this site more than anything else on the web, and I want to feel like
my contributions are valued. However, and it pains me to no end to write this,
I think the new BrickLink team should just finish what they started and completely
remove any community involvement from the catalog and inventories. Then, and
only then, will they see how much the community really mattered.
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2017 18:17 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5891-1 | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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BrickLink
ID CardAdmin_Russell
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| Location: USA, California |
| Member Since |
Contact |
Type |
Status |
| May 9, 2017 |
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Admin |
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| BrickLink Administrator |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, admin_russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, admin_russell writes:
| | Feel free to overwrite any 80 x 60 image, since they have effectively become obsolete.
Russell
|
Is this why I have been having thousands of the images I have contributed to
BrickLink over the years suddenly replaced in large swaths by "Admin"? Without
even having one person contact me to tell me that it was going to be done or
how it would effect me given the hundreds upon hundreds of hours I have put into
this site over the years? That sure takes some bravado! I could understand the
small images that were not yet upgraded by me to a better format, but I am even
having quality images replaced. Is this part of the "management change" that
drove Jennifer to quit her Inventory Admin role out of the blue? Is this the
future of BrickLink? Screw all you volunteers who built this site into what it
is, we can do better without you?
Consider me pissed and annoyed,
Randy
|
I will be posting in the next couple of weeks regarding the image upgrade project
and what this will mean for contributors. Part of the plan is to contact major
contributors like yourself and have you help us come up with a really good solution
for the site's images.
|
I have been doing an image upgrade project for the site for the last 1.5 years
in my free time. I think things are going well, and modern inventories are looking
better and better all the time in my opinion. It would have been nice to know
a long time ago that all my work was for nought if there was an official plan
to make my and all other contributors' work meaningless in the near future.
You think contacting me *after* I am already upset, on edge, and had tons of
work thrown away is going to make me want to help you to come up with yet another
plan to get rid of the rest of the work I have spent countless hours on? Really?!?
Wow.
| | Most of what is being done right now is copying the large image into the small
image slot. A vast majority of the catalog's parts only come in one color,
and we are working with these first.
|
That is a complete lie. The entire Bionicle and Hero Factory categories were
almost completely overwritten with "Admin" images in one fell swoop. I had hundreds
upon hundreds of images in these categories wiped out in the blink of a CPU cycle
without even a nod to the work I had put in over the years. Like I said, the
time for contacting me was before things got underway, *not* after. But what
do I expect? That is the way of BrickLink these days: uncommunicative until users
and volunteers get pissed off at changes being made behind closed doors away
from the community.
| | Any image that is submitted (as I referred to above) by a contributor is subject
to catalog approval, which is primarily being left up to the discretion of the
CA's, as it has been in the past. They have the option of saving any current
image they feel has value. However, saved images may not be visible in the current
catalog viewer and on older pages of the site.
If you have complaints about any specific images that have been replaced by "Admin"
please let me know via the admin page, or even here in the forum. I have no intention of snubbing any contributor,
|
Us contributors have already been snubbed. It is too late for platitudes.
| | and if anything, this image project has made me aware of how much this site depends on the community.
|
Come on, Russell. You have been here a long time, and I know you have "been aware"
since you've been here about how much this site depends on the community.
That is how Dan built it. Does being hired by BrickLink somehow blind you to
this and make you so easily forget what you championed in the past?
| | We are very much in need of larger images everywhere in the catalog and we do appreciate any contributions that are made.
|
If BrickLink keeps going at the rate it is going by forcing out its top contributors,
BrickLink won't have much of a community of volunteers left to do anything
for it. The extremely slow rate of new inventories being submitted for approval
to the catalog over the last two years as well as the loss of many major catalog
contributors to other sites is already indicative of this trend.
I love this site more than anything else on the web, and I want to feel like
my contributions are valued. However, and it pains me to no end to write this,
I think the new BrickLink team should just finish what they started and completely
remove any community involvement from the catalog and inventories. Then, and
only then, will they see how much the community really mattered.
Randy
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Most of these issues / questions you raise will be addressed, like I said, in
the coming weeks. Again, if you have complaints about specific images, please
let me know.
Russell
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2017 18:52 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog Contributions | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | I think the new BrickLink team should just finish what they started and completely
remove any community involvement from the catalog and inventories. Then, and
only then, will they see how much the community really mattered.
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Randy,
I understand your frustration. I feel a sense of pride when I look at the contributions
page and see my name there. I'm sure you realize, though, that you've
been performing unpaid work for a commercial website? BrickLink can do whatever
they want with their website - we do not own any portion of it. They can remove
the contributor information from every item in the catalog tomorrow if they want.
They have chosen not to make the catalog open source and say that they own the
rights to all the images - this should signal something about much BrickLink
values the community. I realized some time ago that "working" for BrickLink
was pointless and I only continue to do it because BrickLink has the best LEGO
catalog around.
I know that you aren't completely serious about BrickLink removing volunteers
altogether, but it would make more sense to pay someone to do the work. In fact,
the smart thing to do would be to buy a new copy of every set ever released (roughly
$2M by my estimate) and pay someone to photograph/inventory them. Then they
could have accurate inventories and professional-quality photos which they would
truly own. It would take some time to find sealed copies of older sets, but
I'm sure they're around. The only downside would be variations in inventories,
but this could also be overcome.
Until they do that, though, a tiny handful of volunteers keep everything going.
The catalog contains 89,209 items and these were added by 2,165 contributors.
The vast majority of those contributors added less than 10 items each, meaning
that most of the volunteer work which built the BrickLink catalog was done by
a small number of people. If BrickLink doesn't want to pay someone to do
the work, then they should treat their high-volume volunteers better.
The point of saying all that was to say that I understand your frustration, but
don't let it get you down. If you enjoyed the work, then the end result
doesn't really matter much. And, as you said, you should've expected
it - I don't have any expectation that the work I've done will last forever.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2017 19:09 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5891-1 | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| I stopped contributing to the site (at the level that I was), due to some frustration
with the new management/ownership, so you have my sympathy.
I'll occasionally submit a weight, but that's about it.
| | If BrickLink keeps going at the rate it is going by forcing out its top contributors,
BrickLink won't have much of a community of volunteers left to do anything
for it. The extremely slow rate of new inventories being submitted for approval
to the catalog over the last two years as well as the loss of many major catalog
contributors to other sites is already indicative of this trend.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Sep 29, 2017 16:45 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5891-1 | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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BrickLink
ID CardAdmin_Russell
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| Location: USA, California |
| Member Since |
Contact |
Type |
Status |
| May 9, 2017 |
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Admin |
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| BrickLink Administrator |
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| In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, cptnruthless writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 3 Part 60592c01 Tan Window 1 x 2 x 2 Flat Front with Trans-Clear Glass (Counterpart)
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I don't mind adding these counterparts - however, I would prefer if there
were first a large image uploaded for each color this part officially came in.
Right now there is only a good-sized image in white. Feel free to overwrite any
80 x 60 image, since they have effectively become obsolete.
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I don't see any new images added or pending, so I'm going to reject these
requests for now. If you decide later to add the images, please resubmit the
requests.
In general, I am interested in linking as many catalog entries to inventories
as possible. There are some entries, however, that are likely to never be linked,
at least as long as we are working within the current inventory system:
Then there are some that will only be linked in a special way:
[p=3004f1]
And then there are others that will likely be linked at some point in time, but
are currently not linked:
For items in this final category (and any other system-wide changes), the best
thing to do is to lodge a placeholder request similar to this one:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1027439
There doesn't need to be as much detail as what I included there, but I do
want the submitter to have made an effort to determine the overall effect of
the change on the system.
For example, regarding these windows you wish to add - consider the following
points:
1) Are the necessary parts currently added to the catalog, with sufficient images?
2) How many inventories in total will these changes effect?
3) Does this open the door for every window/glass combination to be added?
4) Does this open the door for many other assemblies to be added, such as hinges?
5) Are there any anticipated commercial effects?
Other points may be extracted from the document I posted along with the above
placeholder request.
Of course, you can always contact me about such matters privately as well. Most
things like this are part of a blueprint I have in mind for the system, and I
would welcome a collaborative effort.
Russell
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