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| | | Author: | tEoS  | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2016 11:47 | | Subject: | Replace merge with FB to a negative | | Viewed: | 186 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| As it is now when a seller uses two accounts to create fake sales and fluff their
feedback score the merge completely wipes out any evidence of the poor behavior*.
This means that potential buyers won't likely know of it to avoid shopping
in that particular store.
My suggestion is that when such a merge includes feedback that it becomes a negative
with a standardized BL comment.
* Sure you can see the merge history though it does not necessarily mean poor
intentions.
P.S. My only concern is that it may be pointless as the member would just create
a different account to sell under. Thoughts?
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| | | | | Author: | Made_In_Bricks | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2016 13:42 | | Subject: | Re: Replace merge with FB to a negative | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | As it is now when a seller uses two accounts to create fake sales and fluff their
feedback score the merge completely wipes out any evidence of the poor behavior*.
This means that potential buyers won't likely know of it to avoid shopping
in that particular store.
My suggestion is that when such a merge includes feedback that it becomes a negative
with a standardized BL comment.
* Sure you can see the merge history though it does not necessarily mean poor
intentions.
P.S. My only concern is that it may be pointless as the member would just create
a different account to sell under. Thoughts?
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people who implore such business practices should be outright banned and account
deleted. Period, end of story.
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| | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2016 14:02 | | Subject: | Re: Replace merge with FB to a negative | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | As it is now when a seller uses two accounts to create fake sales and fluff their
feedback score the merge completely wipes out any evidence of the poor behavior*.
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Is that what happens? I thought that both the feedbacks stayed, and the seller
ended up with 2 positives (from themselves). That is what used to happen. (And,
of course, that's even worse than what you describe.)
In thee case of the person who prompted this suggestion, I think that they removed
both feedbacks themselves after the problem was noted in that thread.
Regardless, I agree with the suggestion.
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Marc.
| | This means that potential buyers won't likely know of it to avoid shopping
in that particular store.
My suggestion is that when such a merge includes feedback that it becomes a negative
with a standardized BL comment.
* Sure you can see the merge history though it does not necessarily mean poor
intentions.
P.S. My only concern is that it may be pointless as the member would just create
a different account to sell under. Thoughts?
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| | | | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Aug 3, 2016 14:39 | | Subject: | Re: Replace merge with FB to a negative | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | As it is now when a seller uses two accounts to create fake sales and fluff their
feedback score the merge completely wipes out any evidence of the poor behavior*.
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Is that what happens? I thought that both the feedbacks stayed, and the seller
ended up with 2 positives (from themselves). That is what used to happen. (And,
of course, that's even worse than what you describe.)
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As far as I know, they do stay, unless something changed in those regards since
the site upgrade, or unless one of the admins was proactive about it (while IMO
they shouldn't).
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In thee case of the person who prompted this suggestion, I think that they removed
both feedbacks themselves after the problem was noted in that thread.
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That is indeed the other option, but both? And *after* the merge (or was it done
before the merge)? The feedback removal system allows to choose 'feedback
I posted', but if an account was merged in the mean while, does it mean both
feedbacks are removed at the same time, or only the one as a seller (as the main
account would be the seller). I'd love to find out, but without active testing
(which would imply to create another account), it won't be easy to figure
it out 
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Regardless, I agree with the suggestion.
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Ditto
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Marc.
| | This means that potential buyers won't likely know of it to avoid shopping
in that particular store.
My suggestion is that when such a merge includes feedback that it becomes a negative
with a standardized BL comment.
* Sure you can see the merge history though it does not necessarily mean poor
intentions.
P.S. My only concern is that it may be pointless as the member would just create
a different account to sell under. Thoughts?
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| | | | | Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2016 10:20 | | Subject: | Re: Replace merge with FB to a negative | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Voted yes. I like the idea of feedback given to oneself automatically becoming
negative when duplicate accounts are merged. Years ago, I made a suggestion
to simply not add these feedback as BrickLink currently and inexplicably does:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=522617
But your idea is better.
I also like the idea of automatically and permanently banning such dishonest
members.
Thor
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| | | | | Author: | GreSoBrix | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2016 10:46 | | Subject: | Re: Replace merge with FB to a negative | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | As it is now when a seller uses two accounts to create fake sales and fluff their
feedback score the merge completely wipes out any evidence of the poor behavior*.
This means that potential buyers won't likely know of it to avoid shopping
in that particular store.
My suggestion is that when such a merge includes feedback that it becomes a negative
with a standardized BL comment.
* Sure you can see the merge history though it does not necessarily mean poor
intentions.
P.S. My only concern is that it may be pointless as the member would just create
a different account to sell under. Thoughts?
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I set up an account for my wife. So it has the same shipping address. She never
uses it. I created it to see what the buyer's experience is like in my store
when it first opened. Is this frowned upon?
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| | | | | | | Author: | mandr | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2016 11:15 | | Subject: | Re: Replace merge with FB to a negative | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, GreSoBrix writes:
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I set up an account for my wife. So it has the same shipping address. She never
uses it. I created it to see what the buyer's experience is like in my store
when it first opened. Is this frowned upon?
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I don't think so but maybe you should let the BL admin know - I asked the
BL Cust Support(Jaclyn) if I could set up a test account so that I could test
the ordering process from my store before opening. She let me do so, but stipulated
that I was not to give/receive feedback. So I placed about 4 orders, tested
ordering, paying, sending, cancelling, etc. processes before actually opening.
Jaclyn even reversed the BL charges to my account from my test orders even though
I was completely willing to pay them.
So the new seller and buyer (same person) a few days ago who gave feedback to
himself - its possible that he was testing the process, not realizing the severity
of his actions. After all, he only left 1 positive feedback for himself - he
could have left a lot more.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | mandr | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2016 11:43 | | Subject: | Re: Replace merge with FB to a negative | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mandr writes:
| | In Suggestions, GreSoBrix writes:
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I set up an account for my wife. So it has the same shipping address. She never
uses it. I created it to see what the buyer's experience is like in my store
when it first opened. Is this frowned upon?
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I don't think so but maybe you should let the BL admin know
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I should re-word my previous response to say that you should let BL admin know
that you have a second account - looking back at the email I got from Jaclyn
when I asked if I could set up a second account - she specifically said that
she'd give me permission on a temporary basis as long as I met certain
criteria (eg: no feedback to myself, no buying from sellers other than myself,
and letting her know when I was finished with the account).
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| | | | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2016 13:12 | | Subject: | Re: Replace merge with FB to a negative | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, GreSoBrix writes:
| | I set up an account for my wife. So it has the same shipping address. She never
uses it. I created it to see what the buyer's experience is like in my store
when it first opened. Is this frowned upon?
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No...
and yes...
For startes, BL allows 'individuals' to have each their account, so within
a household it is perfectly possible husband and wife (or husband and husband
or wife and wife) to have each their account, even an adult 'kid' of
both can have his/her account.
And as a matter of fact, I know several households who each have their account
and some even their own shop... There are also members who have accounts which
are registered differently, one as an individual, one as a 'company',
also perfectly possible.
It is clear these situations must be mentioned to the adminstration, to avoid
conflicts, particulary in regards to IP matching...
Now your case seems a bit different... The secondary account is in your wifes
name, but she didn't actually opened the account, you did, as you clearly
state 'I set up' and 'I created' and 'she never uses it',
so technicly it is not 'her' account, it is your account and you just
used her name (hopefully with her consent, otherwise it's theft of identity
LOL), so the purpose of that account is in conflict with the ToS. I would strongly
suggest to shut down that account (= unregister), particulary if it was only
for testing purposes when you first opened, so not much point to keep it around
anyway
Cheers, Eric
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | GreSoBrix | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2016 23:46 | | Subject: | Re: Replace merge with FB to a negative | | Viewed: | 378 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | In Suggestions, GreSoBrix writes:
| | I set up an account for my wife. So it has the same shipping address. She never
uses it. I created it to see what the buyer's experience is like in my store
when it first opened. Is this frowned upon?
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No...
and yes...
For startes, BL allows 'individuals' to have each their account, so within
a household it is perfectly possible husband and wife (or husband and husband
or wife and wife) to have each their account, even an adult 'kid' of
both can have his/her account.
And as a matter of fact, I know several households who each have their account
and some even their own shop... There are also members who have accounts which
are registered differently, one as an individual, one as a 'company',
also perfectly possible.
It is clear these situations must be mentioned to the adminstration, to avoid
conflicts, particulary in regards to IP matching...
Now your case seems a bit different... The secondary account is in your wifes
name, but she didn't actually opened the account, you did, as you clearly
state 'I set up' and 'I created' and 'she never uses it',
so technicly it is not 'her' account, it is your account and you just
used her name (hopefully with her consent, otherwise it's theft of identity
LOL), so the purpose of that account is in conflict with the ToS. I would strongly
suggest to shut down that account (= unregister), particulary if it was only
for testing purposes when you first opened, so not much point to keep it around
anyway
Cheers, Eric
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I totally agree with you. I tried to get her to use it for, you know, my birthday,
Christmas etc.  But it never happened. I looked around the site once to see
how to shut it down, couldnt find it. So if someone could point me in the right
direction, I can shut it down this weekend.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | GreSoBrix | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2016 23:49 | | Subject: | Re: Replace merge with FB to a negative | | Viewed: | 351 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | In Suggestions, GreSoBrix writes:
| | I set up an account for my wife. So it has the same shipping address. She never
uses it. I created it to see what the buyer's experience is like in my store
when it first opened. Is this frowned upon?
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No...
and yes...
For startes, BL allows 'individuals' to have each their account, so within
a household it is perfectly possible husband and wife (or husband and husband
or wife and wife) to have each their account, even an adult 'kid' of
both can have his/her account.
And as a matter of fact, I know several households who each have their account
and some even their own shop... There are also members who have accounts which
are registered differently, one as an individual, one as a 'company',
also perfectly possible.
It is clear these situations must be mentioned to the adminstration, to avoid
conflicts, particulary in regards to IP matching...
Now your case seems a bit different... The secondary account is in your wifes
name, but she didn't actually opened the account, you did, as you clearly
state 'I set up' and 'I created' and 'she never uses it',
so technicly it is not 'her' account, it is your account and you just
used her name (hopefully with her consent, otherwise it's theft of identity
LOL), so the purpose of that account is in conflict with the ToS. I would strongly
suggest to shut down that account (= unregister), particulary if it was only
for testing purposes when you first opened, so not much point to keep it around
anyway
Cheers, Eric
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Never mind. She has been TERMINATED!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Aug 7, 2016 22:49 | | Subject: | Re: Replace merge with FB to a negative | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| That seems a bit harsh. I'm sure you could have come to a more peaceful
resolution.
| | Never mind. She has been TERMINATED!
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| | | | | Author: | KingAlanI | | Posted: | Aug 7, 2016 22:39 | | Subject: | Re: Replace merge with FB to a negative | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I sometimes have payment come from someone with a different name. sometimes PayPal
gives me the same address, sometimes same except for the name.
fortunately I haven't encountered any inappropriate behavior surrounding
this.
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