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| | | Author: | lego.12vtrains  | | Posted: | Nov 10, 2015 04:46 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 16 Part 3241 Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved (match ID 1)
* Add 16 Part 3241b Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved without Cable Connection Holes (match ID 1)
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| | | | | Author: | lego.12vtrains | | Posted: | Nov 10, 2015 05:19 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| As viejos explains here:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=900668
at least at first power connections were only made on straight rails.
Images on the 1980 train catalogue would confirm this fact.
Searching on the web during the last months I found a lot of pictures which would
also be a confirmation.
Here below some images from 3 different sets (pictures 1-2: set A; pictures 3-4:
set B; pictures 5-6-7: set C).
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| | | | | | | Author: | lego.12vtrains | | Posted: | Nov 10, 2015 05:26 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| Here below some images from 3 other sets (pictures 1-2: set D; pictures 3-4-5:
set E; pictures 6-7-8: set F).
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| | | | | Author: | bb53904 | | Posted: | Nov 10, 2015 17:39 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, lego.12vtrains writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 16 Part 3241 Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved (match ID 1)
* Add 16 Part 3241b Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved without Cable Connection Holes (match ID 1)
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I had missed the earlier thread about the 12v curved track. After reading it
I pulled out some of my old catalogues and checked the 2nd edition Collectors
Guide.
Set 7740-1 is shown as 1980-86 in the Guide.
I looked at a 1983 train catalog, (D/A/CH/F/I)100782/100882. On page 8, set 7725
box picture, just in front of the wheels of the engine on a curved track, there
is a hole in the curved track.
So a curved track with connections was available BEFORE set 7740-1 went out of
production. Some later sets may have contained the newer track. Or the section
that I can see may be the track with the suppressor and there is only 1 curved
section with the connection in the set.
As mentioned, we are far removed from the time these trains were available.
All the 12v tracks from all my 12v sets have been intermingled for many years,
so I can't give a definitive answer from my own collection. To cover all
possibilities, I think 16 of the 3241b should be listed in the inventory, with
3241 and 3241c as alternates.
I will try to find out more information about the 3241c. As for both 2731 with
the attached wires, I disliked them so much because of the fixed wire, I either
gave them away or buried them in some box I haven't opened in years.
Thea
Always An Adventure!
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| | | | | | | Author: | lego.12vtrains | | Posted: | Nov 11, 2015 11:52 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| Hi Thea,
thank you very much for your contribution!
In Inventories Requests, Thea writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, lego.12vtrains writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 16 Part 3241 Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved (match ID 1)
* Add 16 Part 3241b Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved without Cable Connection Holes (match ID 1)
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I had missed the earlier thread about the 12v curved track. After reading it
I pulled out some of my old catalogues and checked the 2nd edition Collectors
Guide.
Set 7740-1 is shown as 1980-86 in the Guide.
I looked at a 1983 train catalog, (D/A/CH/F/I)100782/100882. On page 8, set 7725
box picture, just in front of the wheels of the engine on a curved track, there
is a hole in the curved track.
So a curved track with connections was available BEFORE set 7740-1 went out of
production. Some later sets may have contained the newer track. Or the section
that I can see may be the track with the suppressor and there is only 1 curved
section with the connection in the set.
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I agree with you, it is clear that in 1983 the curved rails were with cable connection
holes; the are some more pictures that can confirm it.
Probably the year 1982 was the key point in which things started to change, but
I'm not 100% sure about this: on the next days I'm going to make a general
summary with pictures and post it here, but I need some time to prepare it.
| | As mentioned, we are far removed from the time these trains were available.
All the 12v tracks from all my 12v sets have been intermingled for many years,
so I can't give a definitive answer from my own collection.
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Mold numbers printed on the bottom of the rails could help you to date them.
| | To cover all possibilities, I think 16 of the 3241b should be listed in the inventory, with
3241 and 3241c as alternates.
I will try to find out more information about the 3241c.
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It would be important to understand in which year ( 1982 ?? ) 3241c started to
appear!
| | As for both 2731 with the attached wires, I disliked them so much because of the fixed wire, I either
gave them away or buried them in some box I haven't opened in years.
Thea
Always An Adventure!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | bb53904 | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2015 05:16 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| I have found some other evidence that the curved track may have had connections
as early as 1981. It comes from a track layout diagram, and not the actual track
pieces. If you look at the peeron instruction scans for set 7860, on page 6
the diagram shows the connection at the curved section. The date on the instruction
can be seen on the advertising page with the switches.
This is still questionable, because I also have diagrams on my (D/A/CH/B/NL)
instruction sheet from 1981 for the Universal Transformer that show the connection
to a straight track. These instructions are different from the peeron ones for
7864-1, and show how to use the transformer with various sets, including set
7860.
I'm still gathering info and will keep you posted.
Thea
Always An Adventure!
In Inventories Requests, lego.12vtrains writes:
| | Hi Thea,
thank you very much for your contribution!
In Inventories Requests, Thea writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, lego.12vtrains writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 16 Part 3241 Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved (match ID 1)
* Add 16 Part 3241b Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved without Cable Connection Holes (match ID 1)
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I had missed the earlier thread about the 12v curved track. After reading it
I pulled out some of my old catalogues and checked the 2nd edition Collectors
Guide.
Set 7740-1 is shown as 1980-86 in the Guide.
I looked at a 1983 train catalog, (D/A/CH/F/I)100782/100882. On page 8, set 7725
box picture, just in front of the wheels of the engine on a curved track, there
is a hole in the curved track.
So a curved track with connections was available BEFORE set 7740-1 went out of
production. Some later sets may have contained the newer track. Or the section
that I can see may be the track with the suppressor and there is only 1 curved
section with the connection in the set.
|
I agree with you, it is clear that in 1983 the curved rails were with cable connection
holes; the are some more pictures that can confirm it.
Probably the year 1982 was the key point in which things started to change, but
I'm not 100% sure about this: on the next days I'm going to make a general
summary with pictures and post it here, but I need some time to prepare it.
| | As mentioned, we are far removed from the time these trains were available.
All the 12v tracks from all my 12v sets have been intermingled for many years,
so I can't give a definitive answer from my own collection.
|
Mold numbers printed on the bottom of the rails could help you to date them.
| | To cover all possibilities, I think 16 of the 3241b should be listed in the inventory, with
3241 and 3241c as alternates.
I will try to find out more information about the 3241c.
|
It would be important to understand in which year ( 1982 ?? ) 3241c started to
appear!
| | As for both 2731 with the attached wires, I disliked them so much because of the fixed wire, I either
gave them away or buried them in some box I haven't opened in years.
Thea
Always An Adventure!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | lego.12vtrains | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2015 09:14 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Thea writes:
| | I have found some other evidence that the curved track may have had connections
as early as 1981.
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I am reaching the same conclusion!
| | It comes from a track layout diagram, and not the actual track
pieces. If you look at the peeron instruction scans for set 7860, on page 6
the diagram shows the connection at the curved section. The date on the instruction
can be seen on the advertising page with the switches.
This is still questionable, because I also have diagrams on my (D/A/CH/B/NL)
instruction sheet from 1981 for the Universal Transformer that show the connection
to a straight track. These instructions are different from the peeron ones for
7864-1, and show how to use the transformer with various sets, including set
7860.
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It is true but, even if the instruction scans show the date 1981, I am quite
sure that it is a mid-late 80s version: if you look on the other pages you can
clearly see the 2 Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Straight for 12v
Signal with Rail Interruption at End (part number 3242b), and they were only
included in the mid-late 80s sets (according to the BL catalogue they appear
as alternate items).
Anyway there are 2 facts that lead me to the conclusion that the curved track
may have had connections as early as 1981.
The first.
Some months ago I bought a 7855 sealed set, a very early version because a 1981
Mini Train European catalogue (EU II 111583) was included in that box, and all
the curved rails have the connection holes! (See pictures 1-2 below)
The second.
In 1981 the 7725 appeared. As confirmed by the BL inventory and also by one picture
in the internal box (see picture 3 below), no straight rail was included in that
set, so they had to find out a new way to bring electricity to the track... And
I think that the answer was to make the curved rails with connection holes!
As far as the suppressor rail 3241c is concerned, I don't know if it appeared
at the same time of the curved rails with connection holes, or if it was an improvement
of the following years...
| | I'm still gathering info and will keep you posted.
Thea
Always An Adventure!
In Inventories Requests, lego.12vtrains writes:
| | Hi Thea,
thank you very much for your contribution!
In Inventories Requests, Thea writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, lego.12vtrains writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 16 Part 3241 Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved (match ID 1)
* Add 16 Part 3241b Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved without Cable Connection Holes (match ID 1)
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I had missed the earlier thread about the 12v curved track. After reading it
I pulled out some of my old catalogues and checked the 2nd edition Collectors
Guide.
Set 7740-1 is shown as 1980-86 in the Guide.
I looked at a 1983 train catalog, (D/A/CH/F/I)100782/100882. On page 8, set 7725
box picture, just in front of the wheels of the engine on a curved track, there
is a hole in the curved track.
So a curved track with connections was available BEFORE set 7740-1 went out of
production. Some later sets may have contained the newer track. Or the section
that I can see may be the track with the suppressor and there is only 1 curved
section with the connection in the set.
|
I agree with you, it is clear that in 1983 the curved rails were with cable connection
holes; the are some more pictures that can confirm it.
Probably the year 1982 was the key point in which things started to change, but
I'm not 100% sure about this: on the next days I'm going to make a general
summary with pictures and post it here, but I need some time to prepare it.
| | As mentioned, we are far removed from the time these trains were available.
All the 12v tracks from all my 12v sets have been intermingled for many years,
so I can't give a definitive answer from my own collection.
|
Mold numbers printed on the bottom of the rails could help you to date them.
| | To cover all possibilities, I think 16 of the 3241b should be listed in the inventory, with
3241 and 3241c as alternates.
I will try to find out more information about the 3241c.
|
It would be important to understand in which year ( 1982 ?? ) 3241c started to
appear!
| | As for both 2731 with the attached wires, I disliked them so much because of the fixed wire, I either
gave them away or buried them in some box I haven't opened in years.
Thea
Always An Adventure!
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| | | | | Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2015 10:49 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, lego.12vtrains writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 16 Part 3241 Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved (match ID 1)
* Add 16 Part 3241b Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved without Cable Connection Holes (match ID 1)
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Thanks to both of you for the valued input. I have approved the changes becuase
they make a definite improvement. There is still some uncertainty as to how many
of the connecting rails would have been included, as well as what kind of interference
suppression rail (if any), but our alternate system does handle this rather well,
as the Qty of each side of the equation is in practice undefined in our inventories.
I look forward to similar requests in the future. 
Russell
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