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| | | Author: | tstrathm  | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2015 17:27 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 1580-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Light Gray {4345 Container, Box 2 x 2 x 2 to 4345a Container, Box 2 x 2 x 2 - Solid Studs} {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
Catalog shows part 4345a released from 1983 to 1992. Thus it would seem that it would appear in place of 4345 in some versions of this 1985 set.
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| | | | | Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Sep 19, 2015 22:41 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 1580-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, tstrathm writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Light Gray {4345 Container, Box 2 x 2 x 2 to 4345a Container, Box 2 x 2 x 2 - Solid Studs} {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
Catalog shows part 4345a released from 1983 to 1992. Thus it would seem that it would appear in place of 4345 in some versions of this 1985 set.
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You have to watch out with BL catalog dates. They are derived from the inventories,
and they can be *very* misleading at times, as in "several decades" misleading.
I just finished adjusting dozens of inventories that were providing some very
wrong dates for a few vintage parts. And they had been that way for years and
years, tricking unsuspecting BL surfers.
One time I picked up a book on basic Lego building that had a parts dictionary
in it, complete with dates of release. I was saddened to see that many of the
dates were wrong, and were so because they had been pulled directly from BL and
other online sources and had not been verified.
In this case, you are correct, but for different reasons than you gave. First,
one interesting thing to do is find stickered parts from a single set, like this
one:
The other thing going for you is that the first appearance of hollow studs in
instructions is from 1994, in this set (see image below):
Instructions were typically late in representing what actually ended up in the
set, but you have a margin here of 8 years, which is plenty. Sometimes you cannot
depend on instructions since they often never were changed to show the real part,
e.g. with the "pinned" versions of this part:
...and sometimes they were even ahead of production. But they are useful when
used with several other pieces of information.
Russell
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| | | | | | | Author: | tstrathm | | Posted: | Sep 22, 2015 23:26 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 1580-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, tstrathm writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Light Gray {4345 Container, Box 2 x 2 x 2 to 4345a Container, Box 2 x 2 x 2 - Solid Studs} {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
Catalog shows part 4345a released from 1983 to 1992. Thus it would seem that it would appear in place of 4345 in some versions of this 1985 set.
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You have to watch out with BL catalog dates. They are derived from the inventories,
and they can be *very* misleading at times, as in "several decades" misleading.
I just finished adjusting dozens of inventories that were providing some very
wrong dates for a few vintage parts. And they had been that way for years and
years, tricking unsuspecting BL surfers.
One time I picked up a book on basic Lego building that had a parts dictionary
in it, complete with dates of release. I was saddened to see that many of the
dates were wrong, and were so because they had been pulled directly from BL and
other online sources and had not been verified.
In this case, you are correct, but for different reasons than you gave. First,
one interesting thing to do is find stickered parts from a single set, like this
one:
The other thing going for you is that the first appearance of hollow studs in
instructions is from 1994, in this set (see image below):
Instructions were typically late in representing what actually ended up in the
set, but you have a margin here of 8 years, which is plenty. Sometimes you cannot
depend on instructions since they often never were changed to show the real part,
e.g. with the "pinned" versions of this part:
...and sometimes they were even ahead of production. But they are useful when
used with several other pieces of information.
Russell
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Thanks for all this information; very interesting. For what it's worth, the
instructions for 1580-1 do show solid studs on the piece in question (though
it sounds like that may not mean much).
Andy
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