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| | | Author: | lego.12vtrains  | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2015 10:00 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 96 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part bb12v Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern
* Add 1 Part bb12va Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern Type I with 2 round contact holes (match ID 6)
* Add 1 Part bb12vb Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern Type II with 3 round contact holes (Alternate) (match ID 6)
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 3839b Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Handles - Flat Ends, Low Attachment {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 2 to 2}
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 3839a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Handles - Round Ends, Mid Attachment {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 2}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray 3040 Slope 45 2 x 1 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 3 to 3}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray 3040a Slope 45 2 x 1 - without Bottom Tube {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 3 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 08010bc01 Electric, Light Brick 12V 2 x 2 with 3 Plug Holes, Trans-Clear Diffuser Lens {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 4 to 4}
* Change 2 Part White 08010ac01 Electric, Light Brick 12V 2 x 2 with 2 Plug Holes, Trans-Clear Smooth Lens {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 4 to 4}
Comments from Submitter:
1) Motor bb12va (first era) appears in the early production run, while motor bb12vb (second era) appears in the late production run.
2) 3839a (released until 1983) appears in the early production run, while 3839b appears in the late production run.
3) 3040a (released until 1981) appears in the early production run, while 3040 appears in the late production run.
4) 08010ac01 (year released 1980-1981) appears in the early production run, while 08010bc01 appears in the late production run.
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| | | | | Author: | lego.12vtrains | | Posted: | Jan 28, 2015 05:20 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| I would like to add that electric train motor 12V modern type III with 3 slotted
contact holes no. bb12vc cannot be found in set 7740 because it started to appear
in the late 80s.
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| | | | | | | Author: | bb297928 | | Posted: | Feb 1, 2015 17:43 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, M_o_r_r_i_s writes:
| | I would like to add that electric train motor 12V modern type III with 3 slotted
contact holes no. bb12vc cannot be found in set 7740 because it started to appear
in the late 80s.
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Morris:
This is right:
Early versions of 7740: bb12va (2 round contact holes) (1980-1982)
Later versions of 7740: bb12vb (3 round contact holes) (1983-1984)
bb12vc was never produced in 7740, I don't know about 7745 tho... But I think
it only was in a service packs at the end of the 80s (+-1989 till 1993)
Hope this helps
Lego12vFan
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | lego.12vtrains | | Posted: | Feb 1, 2015 18:31 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| Hi Laurenz,
thank you very much for your precious and precise confirmation!
M_o_r_r_i_s
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| | | | | Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2015 21:30 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, M_o_r_r_i_s writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part bb12v Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern
* Add 1 Part bb12va Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern Type I with 2 round contact holes (match ID 6)
* Add 1 Part bb12vb Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern Type II with 3 round contact holes (Alternate) (match ID 6)
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 3839b Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Handles - Flat Ends, Low Attachment {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 2 to 2}
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 3839a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Handles - Round Ends, Mid Attachment {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 2}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray 3040 Slope 45 2 x 1 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 3 to 3}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray 3040a Slope 45 2 x 1 - without Bottom Tube {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 3 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 08010bc01 Electric, Light Brick 12V 2 x 2 with 3 Plug Holes, Trans-Clear Diffuser Lens {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 4 to 4}
* Change 2 Part White 08010ac01 Electric, Light Brick 12V 2 x 2 with 2 Plug Holes, Trans-Clear Smooth Lens {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 4 to 4}
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Just an update on these requests. We're a little behind at the moment while
dealing with some larger issues...
| | Comments from Submitter:
1) Motor bb12va (first era) appears in the early production run, while motor bb12vb (second era) appears in the late production run.
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Is there a reason why the variant motors have not been added to inventories?
[p=bb12va]
[p=bb12vb]
[p=bb12vc]
Does this have something to do with the compatiblity of "middle prong" electrical
components? The only one listed in an inventory is listed singly in a parts pack.
| | 2) 3839a (released until 1983) appears in the early production run, while 3839b appears in the late production run.
3) 3040a (released until 1981) appears in the early production run, while 3040 appears in the late production run.
4) 08010ac01 (year released 1980-1981) appears in the early production run, while 08010bc01 appears in the late production run.
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For these other three, is it just coincidence that the production years you have
given match the BrickLink years exactly? Just a warning about BL dates in the
catalog - they are usually correct, but at times they may be very wrong. As a
general rule, we should add variants only based on original sources.
Regarding the 12V light brick,
...it is clear that this part was engineered for the 1980's trains, so obviously
the first variant was in this set. But regarding the other parts:
...you are likely correct, but the issue will need some study.
Now regarding whether a part should be an alternate or regular, officially the
part in the Regular Items section is supposed to be the most common. But in the
absence of any hard data as to which is more common, there are two other commonly
accepted approaches:
1) the early variant is always "Regular", the later variant is "Alternate".
2) an artificial timeline is used to determine the official release year of the
new variant, and from that year on, the older part is added as the "Alternate".
In the years leading up, the rule would be as in 1) above.
Russell
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| | | | | | | Author: | lego.12vtrains | | Posted: | Feb 6, 2015 10:50 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, M_o_r_r_i_s writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part bb12v Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern
* Add 1 Part bb12va Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern Type I with 2 round contact holes (match ID 6)
* Add 1 Part bb12vb Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern Type II with 3 round contact holes (Alternate) (match ID 6)
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 3839b Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Handles - Flat Ends, Low Attachment {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 2 to 2}
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 3839a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Handles - Round Ends, Mid Attachment {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 2}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray 3040 Slope 45 2 x 1 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 3 to 3}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray 3040a Slope 45 2 x 1 - without Bottom Tube {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 3 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 08010bc01 Electric, Light Brick 12V 2 x 2 with 3 Plug Holes, Trans-Clear Diffuser Lens {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 4 to 4}
* Change 2 Part White 08010ac01 Electric, Light Brick 12V 2 x 2 with 2 Plug Holes, Trans-Clear Smooth Lens {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 4 to 4}
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Just an update on these requests. We're a little behind at the moment while
dealing with some larger issues...
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Hi Russell,
don't worry no problem!
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| | Comments from Submitter:
1) Motor bb12va (first era) appears in the early production run, while motor bb12vb (second era) appears in the late production run.
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Is there a reason why the variant motors have not been added to inventories?
[p=bb12va]
[p=bb12vb]
[p=bb12vc]
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Sincerely I don't know why the variant motors haven't been added to the
1980s 12V trains inventories yet, but I think that if we do this action several
changes have to be done, i.e. to upload them with the idea that:
1) motor bb12va appears in sets from 1980 to 1982
2) motor bb12vb appears in sets from 1983 to 1989
3) motor bb12va appears in some production runs (of 7745, 7735 and 7865) at the
end of the 80s (+-1989) and in a Service pack until 1993.
I am quite sure about 1) and 2) but I cannot confirm 3).
| | Does this have something to do with the compatiblity of "middle prong" electrical
components? The only one listed in an inventory is listed singly in a parts pack.
|
I think that the only problem of compatibility is to connect motor bb12va to
the 2-prong connectors: you can't do it!
| | | | 2) 3839a (released until 1983) appears in the early production run, while 3839b appears in the late production run.
3) 3040a (released until 1981) appears in the early production run, while 3040 appears in the late production run.
4) 08010ac01 (year released 1980-1981) appears in the early production run, while 08010bc01 appears in the late production run.
|
For these other three, is it just coincidence that the production years you have
given match the BrickLink years exactly? Just a warning about BL dates in the
catalog - they are usually correct, but at times they may be very wrong. As a
general rule, we should add variants only based on original sources.
|
I gave the production years found on BL; thanks for your notice, I will be careful!
| | Regarding the 12V light brick,
...it is clear that this part was engineered for the 1980's trains, so obviously
the first variant was in this set. But regarding the other parts:
...you are likely correct, but the issue will need some study.
|
As far as 3839a and 3040a are concerned I agree with you, the issue need more
study, but I think that it is in accordance with what happens about the same
bricks for the set 722-1 and 733-1 (both producted in the same period).
| |
Now regarding whether a part should be an alternate or regular, officially the
part in the Regular Items section is supposed to be the most common. But in the
absence of any hard data as to which is more common, there are two other commonly
accepted approaches:
1) the early variant is always "Regular", the later variant is "Alternate".
2) an artificial timeline is used to determine the official release year of the
new variant, and from that year on, the older part is added as the "Alternate".
In the years leading up, the rule would be as in 1) above.
Russell
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I did my change request referring to the approach 1) above.
M_o_r_r_i_s
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | bb297928 | | Posted: | Feb 8, 2015 08:59 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, M_o_r_r_i_s writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, M_o_r_r_i_s writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part bb12v Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern
* Add 1 Part bb12va Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern Type I with 2 round contact holes (match ID 6)
* Add 1 Part bb12vb Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern Type II with 3 round contact holes (Alternate) (match ID 6)
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 3839b Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Handles - Flat Ends, Low Attachment {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 2 to 2}
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 3839a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Handles - Round Ends, Mid Attachment {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 2}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray 3040 Slope 45 2 x 1 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 3 to 3}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray 3040a Slope 45 2 x 1 - without Bottom Tube {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 3 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 08010bc01 Electric, Light Brick 12V 2 x 2 with 3 Plug Holes, Trans-Clear Diffuser Lens {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 4 to 4}
* Change 2 Part White 08010ac01 Electric, Light Brick 12V 2 x 2 with 2 Plug Holes, Trans-Clear Smooth Lens {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 4 to 4}
|
Just an update on these requests. We're a little behind at the moment while
dealing with some larger issues...
|
Hi Russell,
don't worry no problem!
| |
| | Comments from Submitter:
1) Motor bb12va (first era) appears in the early production run, while motor bb12vb (second era) appears in the late production run.
|
Is there a reason why the variant motors have not been added to inventories?
[p=bb12va]
[p=bb12vb]
[p=bb12vc]
|
Sincerely I don't know why the variant motors haven't been added to the
1980s 12V trains inventories yet, but I think that if we do this action several
changes have to be done, i.e. to upload them with the idea that:
1) motor bb12va appears in sets from 1980 to 1982
2) motor bb12vb appears in sets from 1983 to 1989
3) motor bb12va appears in some production runs (of 7745, 7735 and 7865) at the
end of the 80s (+-1989) and in a Service pack until 1993.
I am quite sure about 1) and 2) but I cannot confirm 3).
| | Does this have something to do with the compatiblity of "middle prong" electrical
components? The only one listed in an inventory is listed singly in a parts pack.
|
I think that the only problem of compatibility is to connect motor bb12va to
the 2-prong connectors: you can't do it!
|
Morris: I agree and confirm this. You have to use the cables with connector 765c01
and the cables with connector 766c01.
OR: Use the RARE, early '80s bb81c01 connectors!!!
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| | | | 2) 3839a (released until 1983) appears in the early production run, while 3839b appears in the late production run.
3) 3040a (released until 1981) appears in the early production run, while 3040 appears in the late production run.
4) 08010ac01 (year released 1980-1981) appears in the early production run, while 08010bc01 appears in the late production run.
|
For these other three, is it just coincidence that the production years you have
given match the BrickLink years exactly? Just a warning about BL dates in the
catalog - they are usually correct, but at times they may be very wrong. As a
general rule, we should add variants only based on original sources.
|
I gave the production years found on BL; thanks for your notice, I will be careful!
| | Regarding the 12V light brick,
...it is clear that this part was engineered for the 1980's trains, so obviously
the first variant was in this set. But regarding the other parts:
|
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- Morris: The first sets that were released (1980 - 1982) were with lightbrick
08010ac01 and connectors: 765c01. Later, the lightbrick got replaced with 08010bc01
because Lego experienced that they were broken to fast. The 08010bc01 is a whole
other system!!
| | | |
...you are likely correct, but the issue will need some study.
|
As far as 3839a and 3040a are concerned I agree with you, the issue need more
study, but I think that it is in accordance with what happens about the same
bricks for the set 722-1 and 733-1 (both producted in the same period).
| |
Now regarding whether a part should be an alternate or regular, officially the
part in the Regular Items section is supposed to be the most common. But in the
absence of any hard data as to which is more common, there are two other commonly
accepted approaches:
1) the early variant is always "Regular", the later variant is "Alternate".
2) an artificial timeline is used to determine the official release year of the
new variant, and from that year on, the older part is added as the "Alternate".
In the years leading up, the rule would be as in 1) above.
Russell
|
I did my change request referring to the approach 1) above.
M_o_r_r_i_s
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- Greeting Lego12vFan on YT (laurenz_8400)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | lego.12vtrains | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2015 11:16 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Laurenz_8400 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, M_o_r_r_i_s writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, M_o_r_r_i_s writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part bb12v Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern
* Add 1 Part bb12va Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern Type I with 2 round contact holes (match ID 6)
* Add 1 Part bb12vb Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern Type II with 3 round contact holes (Alternate) (match ID 6)
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 3839b Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Handles - Flat Ends, Low Attachment {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 2 to 2}
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 3839a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Handles - Round Ends, Mid Attachment {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 2}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray 3040 Slope 45 2 x 1 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 3 to 3}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray 3040a Slope 45 2 x 1 - without Bottom Tube {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 3 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 08010bc01 Electric, Light Brick 12V 2 x 2 with 3 Plug Holes, Trans-Clear Diffuser Lens {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 4 to 4}
* Change 2 Part White 08010ac01 Electric, Light Brick 12V 2 x 2 with 2 Plug Holes, Trans-Clear Smooth Lens {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 4 to 4}
|
Just an update on these requests. We're a little behind at the moment while
dealing with some larger issues...
|
Hi Russell,
don't worry no problem!
| |
| | Comments from Submitter:
1) Motor bb12va (first era) appears in the early production run, while motor bb12vb (second era) appears in the late production run.
|
Is there a reason why the variant motors have not been added to inventories?
[p=bb12va]
[p=bb12vb]
[p=bb12vc]
|
Sincerely I don't know why the variant motors haven't been added to the
1980s 12V trains inventories yet, but I think that if we do this action several
changes have to be done, i.e. to upload them with the idea that:
1) motor bb12va appears in sets from 1980 to 1982
2) motor bb12vb appears in sets from 1983 to 1989
3) motor bb12va appears in some production runs (of 7745, 7735 and 7865) at the
end of the 80s (+-1989) and in a Service pack until 1993.
I am quite sure about 1) and 2) but I cannot confirm 3).
| | Does this have something to do with the compatiblity of "middle prong" electrical
components? The only one listed in an inventory is listed singly in a parts pack.
|
I think that the only problem of compatibility is to connect motor bb12va to
the 2-prong connectors: you can't do it!
|
Morris: I agree and confirm this. You have to use the cables with connector 765c01
and the cables with connector 766c01.
OR: Use the RARE, early '80s bb81c01 connectors!!!
|
Thanks Laurenz for your adds and agreement!
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| | | | 2) 3839a (released until 1983) appears in the early production run, while 3839b appears in the late production run.
3) 3040a (released until 1981) appears in the early production run, while 3040 appears in the late production run.
4) 08010ac01 (year released 1980-1981) appears in the early production run, while 08010bc01 appears in the late production run.
|
For these other three, is it just coincidence that the production years you have
given match the BrickLink years exactly? Just a warning about BL dates in the
catalog - they are usually correct, but at times they may be very wrong. As a
general rule, we should add variants only based on original sources.
|
I gave the production years found on BL; thanks for your notice, I will be careful!
| | Regarding the 12V light brick,
...it is clear that this part was engineered for the 1980's trains, so obviously
the first variant was in this set. But regarding the other parts:
|
|
- Morris: The first sets that were released (1980 - 1982) were with lightbrick
08010ac01 and connectors: 765c01. Later, the lightbrick got replaced with 08010bc01
because Lego experienced that they were broken to fast. The 08010bc01 is a whole
other system!!
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I can't wait to see your next comparison about those light brick on YT!!!
Greetings
M_o_r_r_i_s
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...you are likely correct, but the issue will need some study.
|
As far as 3839a and 3040a are concerned I agree with you, the issue need more
study, but I think that it is in accordance with what happens about the same
bricks for the set 722-1 and 733-1 (both producted in the same period).
| |
Now regarding whether a part should be an alternate or regular, officially the
part in the Regular Items section is supposed to be the most common. But in the
absence of any hard data as to which is more common, there are two other commonly
accepted approaches:
1) the early variant is always "Regular", the later variant is "Alternate".
2) an artificial timeline is used to determine the official release year of the
new variant, and from that year on, the older part is added as the "Alternate".
In the years leading up, the rule would be as in 1) above.
Russell
|
I did my change request referring to the approach 1) above.
M_o_r_r_i_s
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- Greeting Lego12vFan on YT (laurenz_8400)
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Mar 20, 2015 21:18 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1 | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, 12VTrains writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, M_o_r_r_i_s writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part bb12v Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern
* Add 1 Part bb12va Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern Type I with 2 round contact holes (match ID 6)
* Add 1 Part bb12vb Black Electric, Train Motor 12V Modern Type II with 3 round contact holes (Alternate) (match ID 6)
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 3839b Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Handles - Flat Ends, Low Attachment {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 2 to 2}
* Change 1 Part Light Gray 3839a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Handles - Round Ends, Mid Attachment {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 2}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray 3040 Slope 45 2 x 1 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 3 to 3}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray 3040a Slope 45 2 x 1 - without Bottom Tube {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 3 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 08010bc01 Electric, Light Brick 12V 2 x 2 with 3 Plug Holes, Trans-Clear Diffuser Lens {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 4 to 4}
* Change 2 Part White 08010ac01 Electric, Light Brick 12V 2 x 2 with 2 Plug Holes, Trans-Clear Smooth Lens {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 4 to 4}
|
Just an update on these requests. We're a little behind at the moment while
dealing with some larger issues...
|
Hi Russell,
don't worry no problem!
| |
| | Comments from Submitter:
1) Motor bb12va (first era) appears in the early production run, while motor bb12vb (second era) appears in the late production run.
|
Is there a reason why the variant motors have not been added to inventories?
[p=bb12va]
[p=bb12vb]
[p=bb12vc]
|
Sincerely I don't know why the variant motors haven't been added to the
1980s 12V trains inventories yet, but I think that if we do this action several
changes have to be done, i.e. to upload them with the idea that:
1) motor bb12va appears in sets from 1980 to 1982
2) motor bb12vb appears in sets from 1983 to 1989
3) motor bb12va appears in some production runs (of 7745, 7735 and 7865) at the
end of the 80s (+-1989) and in a Service pack until 1993.
I am quite sure about 1) and 2) but I cannot confirm 3).
| | Does this have something to do with the compatiblity of "middle prong" electrical
components? The only one listed in an inventory is listed singly in a parts pack.
|
I think that the only problem of compatibility is to connect motor bb12va to
the 2-prong connectors: you can't do it!
|
I think you mean 3-prong connectors here. But that is the point - the newer connectors
won't fit with the older components. For now, though, we have a cord in the
inventory that will fit all types.
Russell
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